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lapis
8th March 2012, 12:41 AM
http://lewrockwell.com/douglas/douglas49.1.html

Another good one from the Lew Rockwell site. It's like a crash course on how to cultivate the important faculty of discernment.

It's long so I skipped the parts that people here generally know about.

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The U.S. and British governments and Media Corporations developed an immense Propaganda War of lies and half truths in World War I to deceive their own people and the enemy people of Germany and its allies to make the "Huns" look like baby murderers and everything else evil.. They used the already highly developed mass media advertising industry to create and perpetrate their Propaganda War and they coordinated it with massive shows of "agitation" to create what the Soviets later came to call Agitprop. This Agittprop War of almost a century ago against their own people and the enemy was so powerfully effective that Adolph Hitler studied it intensively for three years, according to his account in Mein Kampf, to develop his massive fascist or Nazi Propaganda War. (He did not call it Agitprop, probably because his Soviet enemies had preempted it, but his information war against the German people was a brilliant melding of propaganda and agitation, as seen in the vast Nuremberg Party gatherings and Albert Speer’s thrilling "light cathedrals" glorifying The Party.)

The U.S. government has made immense strides for almost a century now in developing its totally enveloping Agitprop World to deceive its own people and the Global Empire. Many thousands of scientists, psychologists, political scientists and other social scientists, advertising people, broadcast technicians, official statistics experts, sigint secret police, and psyops military officers and technicians work constantly to improve these techniques of mass deceit and to suppress any truth that tends to undermine the Official Agitprop.

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We are, then, encapsulated by the Party Agitprop System. If we are highly experienced and have not been swept away with power lust by joining the Party and the System, we can see the general outlines of the Big Brother System of Lies Orwell first showed us (much as an astronomer shows us we are not the center of the Universe about which everything turns but a tiny planet in an immense galaxy of many billions of stars and perhaps an infinite number of galaxies). Anyone who does not see that Big Truth cannot possibly see the myriad smaller truths about the System. But, once you do see the Big Truth, how do you determine the myriad lesser truths?

You absolutely do not determine the truth by asking officials and believing what they tell you. That is the standard operating procedure of almost all American journalists and that is why almost all of America’s Big News about the important issues to officials is lies. When you live inside a Party Agitprop System you have to always do investigative social research and creative interviewing (the names of two books I did about these strategies of truth seeking). Since you can rarely use the ideal methods of deep immersion in the things you want to determine the truth about, you have to become a investigative guesstimator. You will probably rarely get the whole truth about what is going on and, if you do, you will not know it until it is too late to do you much good. You must adopt an attitude of suspicion, just as any good detective does (and I think the gut-level sense of this truth is one reason people in the past century have become so obsessed with the detective story).

Officials can rarely do effective Agitprop out of whole cloth, especially since there remain some small media outside of their control and they know that a loss of "credibility" will undo the whole System. So they only tell big lies when they know they cannot get caught. Bush 2, for example, told colossal whoppers about Hussein, al-Queda, etc., because he knew Americans know nothing about them and had been primed to believe all kinds of Big Lies about them (such as that bin Laden is trying to destroy freedom in America, Lies exposed by the Michael Scheur of the CIA al-Queda desk in his Anonymous book Imperial Hubris (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1597971596?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=1597971596)). Most of the time they have to "be in the ball park" or even reveal some small truths to support their bigger Lies. The System is also so immense and needs more truthful information to be able to control it that they often cannot prevent other officials in the System from "spilling the beans" that reveal their own "bean counting" is a "pack of lies" supported by little truths. This was what I.F. Stone realized in the early days of The System and he showed how to use all the information available in highly suspicious and analytical ways to ferret out partial truths – guesstimate the truth.

Very importantly, always think analytically and creatively, using your knowledge of how human nature works, what people do in such situations, what the history of such things is, what the officials are trying to lie about in this situation for what purpose, what might have happened (look at the full gamut of possibilities and weigh them), and so on.

Obviously, the more experience and knowledge one has about the issues, the more effective one has become at analyzing official information and spotting the lies and wheedling out the bits of truth hidden in the lies, and the more wisdom one has accumulated over a lifetime, the more effective the analysis will become. Young people are at a tremendous disadvantage and are easily taken in by the Lies du jour coming at them from all the Media at the same time. More intelligent people learn to defend themselves by "Just Saying No," at least sotto voce, and getting on with their lives as best they can. Over the decades vast networks of underground communications develop so that the more knowledgeable and wise can help those who do not yet have those assets. People learn by watching who is right in their analyses whom to trust. Officials, for example, never predict recessions or admit Bubbles or predict Bubble Crashes. Most security analysts use their "up-beat lies" to lure the "suckers" in at the top of markets. But there are some honest people outside the System, even a few economists like Robert Schiller, author of Irrational Exuberance (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0767923634?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0767923634), who tell the truth as best they can: they do analayze Bubbles and try to predict when they will fizz or Crash. They have good records, especially in spotting autocatalytic (self-reinforcing) Bubbles, the classic kind. Pay attention. If you don’t have a powerful memory, keep diaries about official statements to check them against outcomes. When Bush proclaims with absolute certainty that the U.S. must invade Iraq because of the imminent danger of his attacking us with WMD’s, then softens this to "Someday," then admits there are none but switches to a series of new justifications for "Staying the Course," this fact of Lies will jump out at you from your diaries and you will be much wiser the next time.

Learn to watch intently for tips of the ice-bergs of reality.When officials proclaim that "everything is coming up roses," but you are running faster and faster to keep up with inflation and you have bright friends who have not gotten a worthwhile job since the crash of the Great Bubble, and you know you will never be able to afford to buy a house at these prices, and people all around you are going into debt and cashing out the equity in their houses to stay afloat, you know they’re lying. Learn to watch for even smaller tips that are crucial. When they tell you the U.S. soldiers are treating Iraqis kindly and the Iraqis love them, then you see tv-news video of U.S. Special Ops tying up and putting sacks over the heads of Iraqis in front of their families and tossing them in the back of trucks, you know they are lying. When four star generals tell you on live tv that the "terrorists" are done for and then they have to duck for cover in the heart of a big city in Iraq, you know...Be alert, watch, think, look around the corners, consider the alternative possibilities and Lies, remember, and don’t let them take you in.

Do not go off the deep end. When you start to see through the Lies it is easy to jump to the conclusion that there are vast conspiracies of all kinds out to get you and everyone else. Paranoia in a vast fascist System of secret police armies is justified and necessary up to a point, but all things must be balanced. The System armies of secret police and Special Ops Death Squads have limited resources and they probably are not interested in you at all as long as you stay below the Big Media radar. If you become an enemy of the state in the big media, they will try to destroy you by character assassination, charges of being a paranoid "conspiratorialist,’ and all the rest. But they have bigger fish to fry than the vast majority of us. The same was true in Nazi Germany where the Gestapo had immensely more limited resources than our gigantic System does, so most people lived out the System and eventually were able to live in the sunshine once again. The Gestapo was so distant that They Thought They Were Free (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226511928?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0226511928) (an excellent book about that). They were not. As in America today, the System was a total wrap around System that largely cut you off from reality out there, but people who did not become public enemies of the party had wriggle room.

You do to as long as you are not on that secret Black List that changes with the Threat List. Stay off it. You can’t beat the System. The System will Implode some day. Don’t attack them. Wait. They will think you are a "nut case," just as they will think I am if they take note of me, because I am not going to attack them or call for revolution or any such thing. I knew the Soviets would crash (but expected it later than it came) and I know this System will crash (but not when). Wait. Do not go off the deep end. Enjoy your family and friends and your Taoist or Zen garden or your petunias or roses.

Be judicious and hopeful. This is one of the hardest things to do. When people realize they are being lied to by a whole gigantic system they often "Freak Out" and begin thinking the world is coming to an end – or should do so. I get letters from honest and anguished young people saying just that. It’s heart-breaking and I understand the despair. I went through many years of growing "feeling down" and sometimes downright "depressed" as America spiraled downward into this vast vortex of lies. It is a great catastrophe for mankind that the cradle of modern democracy is being destroyed from the top down by its leaders. But you have to survive, live for a better day, make a living, provide for your family, and be of good cheer as much as you can in the realm of your family and friends. We are not the first people to suffer such catastrophes and ours are nothing much yet compared to what happened to the Germans, Italians, Russians and many other people caught in the backwash of their evil fascist and communist Systems. If you survive and retain your sanity, rather than jumping out the window as one fine journalist in Vietnam began to dread he was going to do when he realized that the U.S. military and government were carrying out an immense terror in Vietnam and telling total lies about it all, you can start over and help to rebuild a better world. Maybe it will not be as bad as I fear it will. Maybe I am all wrong and America will soar onward and upward forever on Obama’s bright balloon of happiness and some day you can exult with him "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" I certainly know I could be wrong about all of this. I am not filled with hubris and I do pray I’m wrong. If you feel yourself about to jump out the window, remember I and all these other investigative thinkers might be all wrong. Maybe America is still a land of the free and a home of the brave, not a land of immense bureaucracies of secret police and Special Ops Death Squads roaming the world.

Dream a happy dream of deliverance. Life is worth living if you keep your balance and surround yourself with loving family and friends. That was true in Nuremberg under the Nazis and in Moscow under the communists. If you can learn to meditate on the good things in your life and let the evil things you can do nothing about float off into the darkness, you will survive and live a fulfilling life.

Do not deny the realities, but learn to live in spite of them and learn to avoid their worst effects. Above all, be of good cheer in spite of the awful truths out there. Guesstimating the truth is a first step to learning to live well in spite of it.

Serpo
8th March 2012, 12:47 AM
But it is exciting ...whatever happens..............

Twisted Titan
8th March 2012, 03:21 AM
Do not deny the realities, but learn to live in spite of them and learn to avoid their worst effects. Above all, be of good cheer in spite of the awful truths out there



This was the hardest thing in the world to do.........until I heard my daugther cry for the first time......she gives me the grace I need.... The world has to eventually become a better place or she wouldnt be here.

Hatha Sunahara
8th March 2012, 12:31 PM
You snipped out all the parts about Meg Greenfield. She was one of the very very few honest people in Washington DC.

All I can say about this article is that it agrees with my own view of what the truth is. And it gives good advice.

The truth is whatever you believe. If you don't believe it, it's not the truth. There are no other standards for the truth. You do not need logic, or reason, or even facts to think something is true. All you need is to believe it. If I agree with you, it means that I believe it too. Even if it's a lie that we both believe.

Because the 'truth' is so subjective, it is more productive to develop a keen ability to spot lies. This is where reason and logic and facts are extremely useful. If you can identify when people are lying, it won't get you to the truth, but at least you won't waste a lot of time believing lies, and you won't waste other peoples' time and energy trying to convince you that you believe a pack of lies.

Most people believe lies. The people who don't are in a minority, and most of them know how futile it is to convince the people who believe lies that that is what they believe. I think that the world is divided among people who are willing to think things through and inform themselves about what happens, and people who spend all their time avoiding thinking altogether. Propaganda is for the latter group. What people think about 911 is a great example of this. The thinkers will dismiss the 'official story' as a pack of lies. Everybody else will accept the official story, and allow that to occupy the honored place of truth in their minds, and disbelieve any other more likely explanation.

The truth is what you believe. Everything else is not the truth. Don't believe lies.


Hatha

SLV^GLD
8th March 2012, 01:40 PM
I have an orthogonal view. The truth is the truth regardless of what I believe.
Regardless of what I believe the Truth simply is.

I came to this conclusion while deliberating over my own beliefs about God. What I do or do not believe has no effect on the reality of God.
I find the paradigm applicable to many other issues.

gunDriller
8th March 2012, 05:19 PM
Young people are at a tremendous disadvantage and are easily taken in by the Lies du jour coming at them from all the Media at the same time.

only if there parents haven't educated them.

a tremendous indictment of the US educational system.

the students' time is wasted learning about the Holohoax & 9-11 Conspiracy Fantasies, instead of learning things that will help them Survive in the Real World.

Bigjon
8th March 2012, 05:28 PM
You snipped out all the parts about Meg Greenfield. She was one of the very very few honest people in Washington DC.

All I can say about this article is that it agrees with my own view of what the truth is. And it gives good advice.

The truth is whatever you believe. If you don't believe it, it's not the truth. There are no other standards for the truth. You do not need logic, or reason, or even facts to think something is true. All you need is to believe it. If I agree with you, it means that I believe it too. Even if it's a lie that we both believe.

Because the 'truth' is so subjective, it is more productive to develop a keen ability to spot lies. This is where reason and logic and facts are extremely useful. If you can identify when people are lying, it won't get you to the truth, but at least you won't waste a lot of time believing lies, and you won't waste other peoples' time and energy trying to convince you that you believe a pack of lies.

Most people believe lies. The people who don't are in a minority, and most of them know how futile it is to convince the people who believe lies that that is what they believe. I think that the world is divided among people who are willing to think things through and inform themselves about what happens, and people who spend all their time avoiding thinking altogether. Propaganda is for the latter group. What people think about 911 is a great example of this. The thinkers will dismiss the 'official story' as a pack of lies. Everybody else will accept the official story, and allow that to occupy the honored place of truth in their minds, and disbelieve any other more likely explanation.

The truth is what you believe. Everything else is not the truth. Don't believe lies.


Hatha

Boy! do have to disagree with your statement, unless you're trying to do a sarcastic tongue in cheek display of ignorance.

The truth is not subjective. Truth is what has happened. Truth obeys the laws of our universe. Gravity has a calculated speed for any given elevation. Physical things obey physical laws.

Hatha Sunahara
8th March 2012, 07:01 PM
Boy! do have to disagree with your statement, unless you're trying to do a sarcastic tongue in cheek display of ignorance.

The truth is not subjective. Truth is what has happened. Truth obeys the laws of our universe. Gravity has a calculated speed for any given elevation. Physical things obey physical laws.

If you disagree with me, then you don't believe what I have said is true. But I believe it. And I think it is true.

That's what I mean by 'subjective'. Whatever is the truth for you, may or may not be the truth for me.

If you recognize that kind of integrity among others--that they have a right to believe whatever they want, then you will understand that truth is whatever people believe it is. Individually, not collectively Just because everybody believes something is true doesn't make it true for you. Truth is personal. Very little of it is universally shared.

I also believe that the only time the truth really matters is when it is threatening to kill you. Otherwise we humans are as fond of deceiving ourselves as much as we like to deceive others. What really matters most of the time however are all the lies that people tell you. Makes it kinda hard to get to the truth, doesn't it?


Hatha

Bigjon
8th March 2012, 07:26 PM
If you disagree with me, then you don't believe what I have said is true. But I believe it. And I think it is true.

That's what I mean by 'subjective'. Whatever is the truth for you, may or may not be the truth for me.

If you recognize that kind of integrity among others--that they have a right to believe whatever they want, then you will understand that truth is whatever people believe it is. Individually, not collectively Just because everybody believes something is true doesn't make it true for you. Truth is personal. Very little of it is universally shared.

I also believe that the only time the truth really matters is when it is threatening to kill you. Otherwise we humans are as fond of deceiving ourselves as much as we like to deceive others. What really matters most of the time however are all the lies that people tell you. Makes it kinda hard to get to the truth, doesn't it?


Hatha

You are talking about conditional truth. There are as many conditional truths as there are conditions.

But they are not the truth.

When I say I'm politically correct, I'm really saying I'm a liar and I'm not correct absolutely, I'm correct conditionally.

Hatha Sunahara
8th March 2012, 09:57 PM
You are talking about conditional truth. There are as many conditional truths as there are conditions.

But they are not the truth.

When I say I'm politically correct, I'm really saying I'm a liar and I'm not correct absolutely, I'm correct conditionally.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."? Well, what I am saying is 'Truth is in the mind of the beholder.'

And when your mind beholds something that the government or the mainstream media tells you, you have a choice. You can believe it uncritically, or you can ask questions before you believe it. One of the factors that should guide your willingness to believe something is how often the government and the mainstream media have lied in the past. What they feed us is disinformation--which is a big lie with a little truth in it. The real trick is to separate the truth from the lie, and to try to discern what their agenda is for spinning the information this way. This is not always an easy task, and it often takes a lot of like-minded people to guess at what is going on beneath the surface to come up with a believable story. We seem to do a lot of that here at GSUS.

Hatha

Bigjon
8th March 2012, 10:16 PM
Have you ever heard the phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."? Well, what I am saying is 'Truth is in the mind of the beholder.'

And when your mind beholds something that the government or the mainstream media tells you, you have a choice. You can believe it uncritically, or you can ask questions before you believe it. One of the factors that should guide your willingness to believe something is how often the government and the mainstream media have lied in the past. What they feed us is disinformation--which is a big lie with a little truth in it. The real trick is to separate the truth from the lie, and to try to discern what their agenda is for spinning the information this way. This is not always an easy task, and it often takes a lot of like-minded people to guess at what is going on beneath the surface to come up with a believable story. We seem to do a lot of that here at GSUS.

Hatha

Yep, we are on a search for the truth and we have a lot of good people who are very good at discovering it. By looking at what qualifies the conditions we can glimpse the absolute truth.

Book
9th March 2012, 08:52 AM
Do not go off the deep end. When you start to see through the Lies it is easy to jump to the conclusion that there are vast conspiracies of all kinds out to get you and everyone else...You can’t beat the System. The System will Implode some day. Don’t attack them. Wait...Do not go off the deep end. Enjoy your family and friends and your Taoist or Zen garden or your petunias or roses...Be judicious and hopeful. This is one of the hardest things to do...Dream a happy dream of deliverance. Life is worth living if you keep your balance and surround yourself with loving family and friends...If you can learn to meditate on the good things in your life and let the evil things you can do nothing about float off into the darkness, you will survive and live a fulfilling life...Do not deny the realities, but learn to live in spite of them and learn to avoid their worst effects. Above all, be of good cheer in spite of the awful truths out there.

Lapis has the perfect Sig line to remind us of this...lol.

:)