One Dollar and Other Valuable Consideration

[palani]

Really hard to get into these common Law contracts now. One dollar in silver coin actually costs $35. A one dollar gold coin because of the collector value might go for $200. If the contract is less than $20 you don't get a trial by jury if there is any dispute. So under Law one is entitled to a jury trial if one pays $700 FRNs in silver or $4,000 FRNs in gold coin. In order to even start a civil case now requires a minimum of $180. As long as you want to promote a case in Law you must proceed according to Law so that $180 cannot be FRNs but must be in the form of silver ($6,300 FRNs) or gold ($18,000 FRNs). Sort of obvious that anyone who wants to proceed by Law had best not start down the path with trivial problems.

You can engage in contracts for as little as $1 though. Other terms are "and other valuable considerations" or "love an affection". The latter is used for contracts with relatives. The other valuable considerations can be FRNs if you desire or might be a box of hershey bars or the Hope diamond.

Where to come up with $1 in an age where the money has no substance?

Along comes the postal service with an actual $1 stamp. The "$" sign on the stamp has two bars rather than a single bar. It actually refers to the gold standard by so doing. You might find these stamps for anywhere from $4 FRNs to $8 FRNs as the postal service stopped making them in 1998 (they did have another production run several years later though).

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Now it does you no good to attempt to engage in contracts with a counterfeit stamp. To help you out the postal service has a 'scrambled indicia' on the rump of the fox and there is a lens available that can be used to make this image visible. The lens goes for around $15. (and this kind of makes you wonder if they can do this for stamps why cannot the same method be done for money).

So here is a method to engage in common Law contracts for about 10% of what silver would cost. You paste one of these stamps on a document that you want to add $1 value to and hand it to whomever you want to tie up with a duty. Not enforceable in front of a jury (unless you want to use 20 stamps) but surely enough to make a judicial actor sit up straight and take notice. You can do this on traffic tickets, notes and mortgages, deeds, wills, employment contracts, car purchases. When you do use this method, the rules will be different.

[Glass]

Thanks Palani,

interesting insight as always. You raised this question about the double stroke dollar sign before and you also raised the question about what is important about stamps.

I recall I posted that stamps by law (statute) are conisdered a specie of money. Certainly here in Australia they are mandated as such. I don't know if the double stroke is important here because traditionally Commonwealth countries use a single stroke dollar sign. We went from Pound based gold backed money to unbacked dollars, so perhaps that is where the history lies.

The question is, what to do with that seemingly unusable nugget of information. Well here is my answer.

If any of the dear readers at this forum have listened/watched people like Winston Shrout you will probably have heard mention of afixing stamps to documents (not envelopes) but have been unclear about what it means.

It is unfortunate that Winston has been so heavily branded with the sovereignist movement in away that makes it all seem crack pottish. If you keep the sovereign or redemption stuff to the side, what you have is clear examples of how you deal in both Equity and Common Law and how you can position yourself in one or the other subject to your needs of the time.

Equity (public law) is limitted liability and for Judges and Cops and Politicians this is ideal because there is no fault and no cost to them. Same story we see now as the bankers go for their limitted liability entitlements.

Common Law (private law) is different in that it is Full Commercial Liability if you implement it correctly. Now Full Commercial Liability scares the livign day lights out of these guys because they cannot shift the liability to their insurance fund or taxpayer. If they can't do that then they have a risk for which they have no stomach.

People need to understand, it isn't about right or wrong, idealistic justice or injustice. It's about leverage. They, Govt, Cops, lawyers and bankers use leverage. Fear is a leverage and the most common one they use. They wield it and then you back down and "voluntarily" agree to their terms/demands.

These techniques are simply ways to turn the leverage table around. If you can leverage up the way they do, then you can scare them witless and get them to agree to your terms. That is all there is to it in terms of high level explanation.

The techniques you can use to obtain this leverage are varied and can take a long time to explain. I'd urge people to watch people like Winston Shrout and try to see the mechanics of what he is doing. I can tell you nothing gets a response from one of these players than approaching them with a private adminsitrative document. I can tell you you will get a response so fast it will make your head spin. I've corresponded with the most powerful people in my country and they come back at you like lightening.

palani, thanks again. I don't want to derail a thread but the topic of Gazetting has recently become of interest to me. I don't know much about it but I am interested because from time to time things which you normally would consider have been gazetted can sometimes fall through the cracks and the gazetting does not get done. Opportunity for leverage there IMO.

Also can you correct me re: moving from equity to private. Is this a correct description?

[Nomoss]

And if you sine the stamp that makes you
A Post Master!
I do it on ALL docs now.

[Glass]

And if you sine the stamp that makes you
A Post Master!
I do it on ALL docs now.

Nomoss,

What are the implications of being a Post Master?

[Nomoss]

Nomoss,

What are the implications of being a Post Master?

The Post Master runs it All!
They control every thing!
The first roads where for what? (In the US)
I can't post links from this phone but look it up.
Its a way of putting you in standing..

[palani]

Also can you correct me re: moving from equity to private. Is this a correct description?

I would consider use of common Law contracts as moving from a lawform that has opinion as a base to a lawform that has rights and duties established by the contract. When Equity was competing with Law to see which lawform would come out on top Equity certainly had some features that appeared attractive. Now that Equity is everywhere in the court system it seems the "equity" part of it has gone on vacation.

In Law single judges have no authority. Law requires a minimum of two judges and one must be of the quorum. Not so in equity. This is simply overlooked (intentionally) these days. So if you want disputes to be handled at Law in the proper manner you might so stipulate in your contract at common Law.

[palani]

And if you sine the stamp that makes you
A Post Master!
I do it on ALL docs now.

I have heard this also. I have not heard of anyone settling a dispute by referring the matter to the Universal Postal Union.

My observation is that a $1 stamp uncancelled imparts $1 in value to the document that is ACCEPTED by the other party. For there to be any value in a stamp it must be uncancelled. If the other party desires to cut the stamp off the document and fix it to an envelope it can be used to mail a letter.

Maybe consider using both methods. Affix one stamp to the front and leave it unmarked to establish a value. Affix a second (first class postage) stamp to the back and cancel it when the document is delivered.

[Glass]

I would consider use of common Law contracts as moving from a lawform that has opinion as a base to a lawform that has rights and duties established by the contract. When Equity was competing with Law to see which lawform would come out on top Equity certainly had some features that appeared attractive. Now that Equity is everywhere in the court system it seems the "equity" part of it has gone on vacation.

In Law single judges have no authority. Law requires a minimum of two judges and one must be of the quorum. Not so in equity. This is simply overlooked (intentionally) these days. So if you want disputes to be handled at Law in the proper manner you might so stipulate in your contract at common Law.

Thanks for that. I think in addition to opinion, custom plays a significant part in common law, it plays not only to precedent but also the custom of the people affected. We hear of tribal law down here with the aboriginies. In some cases a court will be influenced in it's sentencing by the prospect that the defendant is also going to face tribal punishment. For me the only issue is, do the elders consider the facts for themselves before determining judgement or do they take the white man's actions against their kin as prima facie. Anyway it's their common/customary law

On the question of a single judge we have 2 interesting cases here at the moment. Both are being being heard by a single judge at the request of the defendant. I find this confusing. In one it is a murder case of a lawyer accused of murdering his wife and dumping her body in Kings Park. In all honesty about the stupidest place in perth you could use to dump a body. His wife was in law but not a lawyer.

There is some back story. It's not the point. Actually it is because my gut tells me this is a setup to get rid of common law for good. At the moment it used only for Murder trials. nothing else. These cases are really being tried in equity. I don't think the crown case will succeed because it's 100% circumstantial.

On the other hand, we have this issue with women being murdered down here and no one is pegged for it. Was a lot in the 80's and 1 in the 90's I think. Anyway this deaf mute guy got pinged for one of the murders. The dead wife in the current case was a crusader for people wrongly convicted. She and others got this guy out. Now there is a problem because it becomes an unsolved murder of a woman. There's a lot of these unsolved cased so it goes back in the pack. The people responsible got the fear incase it's going to be investigated again. Perhaps she discovered something, who knows. Anyway thats the back story as I know it.

so I don't think this is a legit case. The other case I'm not so familiar with but the law situation is the same.

[Glass]

I have heard this also. I have not heard of anyone settling a dispute by referring the matter to the Universal Postal Union.

My observation is that a $1 stamp uncancelled imparts $1 in value to the document that is ACCEPTED by the other party. For there to be any value in a stamp it must be uncancelled. If the other party desires to cut the stamp off the document and fix it to an envelope it can be used to mail a letter.

Maybe consider using both methods. Affix one stamp to the front and leave it unmarked to establish a value. Affix a second (first class postage) stamp to the back and cancel it when the document is delivered.

Wouldn't it be the un-cancelled stamp on the document, presentment, letter and the envelope (not a document) carries a cancelled stamp or am I missing something? I think the document carries the value not the envelope in this case.

[palani]

Wouldn't it be the un-cancelled stamp on the document, presentment, letter and the envelope (not a document) carries a cancelled stamp or am I missing something? I think the document carries the value not the envelope in this case.

Paper is the vessel. The words on it are the cargo. I suppose the uncancelled stamp would be valuable because it can be shown to have $1 value. Look at most of the U.S. stamps these days. They just have a number on them with no denomination. Some of them carry the phrase "forever" which means they are good for first class postage no matter what it floats to in the future.

The reason the cancelled stamp is on the opposite side is that it represents maritime law. Maritime law is used to carry the cargo to the destination. Postmasters are maritime. Keep the cargo separate on the reverse side.

[palani]

Thanks for that. I think in addition to opinion, custom plays a significant part in common law, it plays not only to precedent but also the custom of the people affected.

The commercial system has a problem dealing with capital crimes. The crime of murder under the current economic system is that the defendant is charged with denying society of the fruits of the labor of the victim. The matter is one of bringing an account up to date, as if the murderer was a fiduciary and committed an economic crime in cancelling the account of the beneficiary. Maybe that is why they want to eliminate the death penalty, so as to avoid a paradox, that accounts can be balanced by using societal murders.

Best not to try to analyze the present system too closely because it is irrational. Only by becoming irrational yourself will you gain some sort of understanding of what is under the hood (so to speak).