Tonights Show?

[Nomoss]

On tonights www.KZFR.org Sui Juris show was set off dabt.
I have been looking at some of this.
I think it looks very Good.
Look for Sui Juris show 197
set off debt with Fred & Nina Gutlerrez.
Download 1.17.2012 mp3
Some Very good info you may like!
There link is www.setoffdebt.com
Have Fun..

[Awoke]

Look for Sui Juris show 197
set off debt with Fred & Nina Gutlerrez.
Download 1.17.2012 mp3

Here is a link to the MP3 file.
http://www.setoffdebt.com/download/interviews/EFT-Call-January-17-2012.mp3

Listening now. Is this our very own Sui Juris?

Talking starts at 2:27

[Awoke]

This is amazing for you Americans.

Is any of this relevant or applicable in Canada????

I don't say this often, but I will say now: This is a MUST LISTEN.

[MNeagle]

Agreed, very good interesting show; first I've ever heard of it.

They mention no one can be denied their 'due process of law'. But what about NDAA? How does that play into it?

Also, has anyone done this here? It has really piqued my interest!

[Glass]

This is amazing for you Americans.

Is any of this relevant or applicable in Canada????

I don't say this often, but I will say now: This is a MUST LISTEN.

yes it is applicable. It does work. The govt use it, why can't you?

[Awoke]

Well, based on the way Henry and Nina present it in the first hour, it is seemingly dependant on the Constitution and the Amendments.

Canada is a parliamentary slave to the british monarchy, so that doesn't apply. I wouldn't know where to go to find the Canadian sources of law that are on par with the USA laws that they are quoting. I would need to know where to find the language to see if the same "Tools" apply.

[Nomoss]

No its not the same Sui Juris.
At the bottom of the page at www.setoffdebe..com
Are more show links on this.
If you would like to get out of debt this is the way to do it.
Its all about banking law.

[Awoke]

I need confirmation that the Canadian banks operate under the same laws as the USA banks, and I would need the same language in Canadian law as they have in US law.

[MNeagle]

Have you applied any of this Nomoss?

[Awoke]

I just started listening to the "Training Part 1" MP3. It's a good quality recording. He's Christian, so far. Thanks for posting this. Whether it is applicable in Canada or not, this is extremely interesting.

[Awoke]

I just want to say thank you again, for posting this. Very inspiring.

(Regarding Training part 1)

[General of Darkness]

Do they discuss traffic tickets?

[Nomoss]

Have you applied any of this Nomoss?
No as I have NO debt.
But.. I will use this to help my sons.

[Horn]

I need confirmation that the Canadian banks operate under the same laws as the USA banks, and I would need the same language in Canadian law as they have in US law.

From what I've seen out here, a U.S. citizen has some more legal leverage vs. the banks than anywhere else in the world.

Most the rest of the 1st world seems only to have the right to survive in their shadows.

But of course that is probably what all the recent financial slaughter is made to alleviate.

[Glass]

I need confirmation that the Canadian banks operate under the same laws as the USA banks, and I would need the same language in Canadian law as they have in US law.

Awoke,

you can look to your Bills of Exchange Act's as a starting point. One thing you need to grasp is that even though only the US has codified and therefore declared it's bankruptcy (HJR 192) ALL Commonwealth nations are also bankrupt. There is no money in circulation.

When there is no money in circulation you have to then think about what it is you are doing with the "money" you are carrying around. Lets call it unreal money. It's clear you are not paying debts with it because it is not real. You can't pay a real debt with unreal money.

But you must be doing something with it because when you give it to people who ask for it, they go away and don't bother you again.

Just to be clear, money (lawful money) only exists in coin form. It does not exist in any other form. Therefore the paper (or plastic) stuff is not money. It is a Note. Now a note is often classed as a specie of money, however strictly speaking, according to the law it is a negotiable instrument. A note is always a negotiable instrument unless someone crosses it. Think bank check/cheque crossed not negotiable.

Another thing about Notes is that they have signatures on them. The signature is the value of the note.

It does take a subtantial shift in perception from what we are educated with. It is likely that a person who has not gone through the school system or is going through it would grasp it quicker than all of us that has been educated.

Once you grasp it, you will see that everything right down to traffic tickets are negotiable instruments and armed with that you can negotiate how it's going to be settled.

The rules on presentment and declining a presentment are the same in all countries using unreal money. If tender of a valid settlement is made and subsequently refused then it is deemed that you obviously did not have a debt because otherwise valid settlement would not be refused.

There are some good forums out there, however like all forums there are mis info and misdirector people so it can be confusing and confidence sapping. Try it on a small one and see how you go. Research first though because some things done using this method could get big trouble. Somethings you should not do, like walk into car lot and purchase a car using a check from an old checking account.

There are a couple of methods. One guy in the questions part of the recording asks this. I know A4V works and it might work 3 out of 4 times or it might not work on the 1st one you do but all the other ones work. You just keep sending them back. We are trying different methods to see which work and confirm them. I know one guy who sent off a few of these and did them a bit different each time, but then he didn't really keep track of which method to which company and which ones worked.

So anyway he decided to do one the long way, trying one method, then the next if the first came back until he finds the one which worked best. I will state for the record though that he has had multiple successes with traffic tickets and a couple with credit accounts, he has had one which at this time has not worked. Not critical but you need to be ready to fix it the unreal money way.

The legal process is the other thing you need to be prepared for because while some claimants go away some do not. Either malice or ignorance. Expect threats of court action going forward on occasion.

I'm doing something a bit different as I don't have tickets or credit card bills to do. Mine is with the big guys and is for substantial $$. Lets say almost as much as a mortgage. Using some Winston Shrout conditional A4V, expressing my knowledge of the law and whats lawful their responses have been interesting and telling. I'm convinced based on what the response was that this stuff is valid and they know it. But I was going on 2 fronts at once which helped a lot.

I like the EFT method because I get concerned A4V could back fire if they sat and thought about what they were receiving with the A4V. If I dispute a claim but the A4V it to try and discharge and it doesn't work and ..anyway I worry they could hold up the A4V and say well you accepted it at full value, pay with the unreal stuff thanks. One the other side EFT has some possible dangers as well.

[vacuum]

Seems like getting rid of your mortgage would be the most valuable application of this stuff.

[Awoke]

Thanks Glass. Being that you're living in part is the british empire, I really appreciate your post. Right now I am going to listen to the recordings and try to understand. I am not sure about the chequing account thing: Is it an account that I had opened under my name, then closed?

It just so happens I recently picked up a traffic infraction, so I don't know if I am just going to pay it in fiat or if I will test the ETF route with it. If you have working experience with this subject and the appications they are discussing, feel free to share more!!

[Awoke]

Inalienable = In-a-lien-able, not In-alien-able.

[Glass]

Inalienable = In-a-lien-able, not In-alien-able.

yes this is 100% correct. See how the pro-noun-ciation make so much difference to the interpretation.

I think the EFT process is a variation of what has gone before. I think it is nice and catchy however I don't think it is a literal Electronic Funds Transfer as such. What it appears to be to me is a sight draft.

I've been contemplating starting a thread to describe the different types of negotiable instruments. FRN's, Promisory Notes, Bills of Exchange and Sight Drafts. There are others such as Bonds.

A Check/Cheque is a Sight Draft. Some Bills of Exchange are/can be Sight Drafts. The Sight Draft mostly became what Joe Six Pack knows as a Check/Cheque. I think a Remittance Slip or a Money Order is also a sight draft. Checks don't have to be on bank check documents. You can make your own or convert a negotiable instrument into one. Banks accept checks all the time that aren't written on their check documents.

Most bills come with a Sight Draft attached.

The other thing to remember is process. These guys are enforcing the letter of the law that the Govt and corporations are obliged to adhere to. This is big part of it. The govt makes mistakes and when they do you can shut down their claim. The President says he takes no option off the table. You shouldn't either.

[Nomoss]

Can't post the link but tonights show has some info
I think you all would like.
The show is #202
www.kzfr.org/sui-juris

[Twisted Titan]

taggging

[Glass]

I see the most Recent Blog entries is Rod Class. I haven't followed him for a while. He was heavily into the differences between legal and everyday interpretation of key words and concepts. He did huge amounts of research and I think developed an interesting style for corresponding with the courts using this angle. So I followed him for a while. So he did not talk about the redemption angles, strawman, birth certificate stuff, which was refreshing.

Then I guess someone introduced him to the redemption stuff. He was just getting into it. I stopped listening after that. He had a ways to catch up. I hope he is still doing the other research because he has a talent for it. No no. .. I hope he brings his skills to bear on this question but not at the expense of researching legal language. Rod has a talkshoe radio show... the link goes to it.

thanks for posting this. I haven't seen much of Sui's information.

[General of Darkness]

I see the most Recent Blog entries is Rod Class. I haven't followed him for a while. He was heavily into the differences between legal and everyday interpretation of key words and concepts. He did huge amounts of research and I think developed an interesting style for corresponding with the courts using this angle. So I followed him for a while. So he did not talk about the redemption angles, strawman, birth certificate stuff, which was refreshing.

Then I guess someone introduced him to the redemption stuff. He was just getting into it. I stopped listening after that. He had a ways to catch up. I hope he is still doing the other research because he has a talent for it. No no. .. I hope he brings his skills to bear on this question but not at the expense of researching legal language. Rod has a talkshoe radio show... the link goes to it.

thanks for posting this. I haven't seen much of Sui's information.

Yup, Midnight Rambler turned me onto Rod Class, the guy really seems to know his shit, but I haven't listened to him in a while.