I got attacked last night by a friend with a machete- they arrested me. true story

[dys]

This is just so unbelievable I can hardly believe it really happened. This was last night:

I was over a friends house and we were hanging out and talking. We started discussing law... I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system. He started getting pissed that I was exposing his entire belief system as incorrect. The more I was able to blow up his arguments and delusions, the more pissed he got. Eventually he told me that I was pissing him off and his voice started rising. I thought he was kidding- he wasn't. It infuriated him that I thought he was kidding. He started calling me names (idiot, moron, etc) in a confrontational way. I ignored him for awhile and then told him to knock it off. Then he attacked me!
I was more shocked than anything. I figured he had too much to drink so I just kind of subdued him. I did give him one pop just to stop him, then I sort of pinned him down to the couch. His girlfriend started begging me to let him up, so I told him "Dude, you owe me one hell of an apology." Then I walked out his front door with the aim of going home.
As I was walking down his driveway I heard footsteps behind me. I turned around and there was my friend bearing
down on me. He was probably 2 steps away from me and moving quickly, so I had little time to react. It was very dark, no lights of any kind. He had what looked at first glance to be an aluminum baseball bat in his hands. My initial reaction was to move close to him as quick as I could to cut down on the effectiveness of the weapon. This I did, and a scuffle ensued. I caught him good with 3 or 4 real good shots, but I sustained a nasty cut to the bridge of my nose. I didn't recall getting hit, then it dawned on me his weapon wasn't a bat- it was a machete! Then I looked down at my hand which had instinctively grabbed his weapon during the scuffle. I had a 5 inch cut on my hand from the machete! Long story short, I pinned him again and gave him 1 or 2 more pops, and when I was satisfied he wasn't capable of getting up and chasing me down, I got off him and walked away.
This time I was furious, and I told him: "You are lucky we are friends or you'd be in the hospital right now."

Then I started walking to my car (it was not parked at his house- it was a few blocks away- long story). During the walk a cop pulled up next to me. He asked me what happened. Not wanting my friend to be thrown in jail for attempted murder, I told the cop I would rather not say. So the cop called an ambulance due to my lacerations and he told me I had no choice but to stick around. The ambulance EMTs confirmed my 2 wounds were the result of a sharp object/knife.

At this time one of the EMTs clued me in that it was my friend that had called the cops. Apparently he told them that the fight was started by me and that he pulled the machete in self defense. I then told the cop the truth about what happened. I had grass stains on my jeans, it was obvious that the fight occured outside, and it was obvious that my friend was the one that attacked me with a weapon, but they arrested me anyway. They did not arrest my friend. Their excuse was that he looked I beat him up and not vica versa, and also that he claimed that I kicked him. Of course they charged me with assault with a deadly weapon for this non event that never happened.

I had to bail myself out- 540 bucks, and now I'm afraid I'll lose my job over this BS.

dys

[Old Herb Lady]

Know when to just shut up. (at/around about the 3rd sentence)

[Ares]

I would go before a judge and proclaim as everything is hearsay. Where is the evidence that you had a weapon? You're the one with the lacerations not your "friend". You could also counter sue your friend with Assault with a Deadly Weapon, and put a lien against his home for being an asshole about it. I know I would. The lien would be put against his home to cover medical expenses you suffered from being attacked with a Machete, court cost and bond payment. He wants to lie to the police about you, make him fund it.

[dys]

mistake

[dys]

I would go before a judge and proclaim as everything is hearsay. Where is the evidence that you had a weapon? You're the one with the lacerations not your "friend". You could also counter sue you're friend with Assault with a Deadly Weapon, and put a lien against his home for being an asshole about it. I know I would. The lien would be put against his home to cover medical expenses you suffered from being attacked with a Machete, court cost and bond payment. He wants to lie to the police about you, make him fund it.

My friend admitted that he had a deadly weapon. The cops also acknowledged that he had a deadly weapon. They didn't care. My 'deadly weapon' is supposedly my shoe. Pretty funny considering I never kicked him.

dys

[Neuro]

Whoa, I am glad that you were not seriously hurt! I hope you will not have any big troubles over this!

[Ares]

My friend admitted that he had a deadly weapon. The cops also acknowledged that he had a deadly weapon. They didn't care. My 'deadly weapon' is supposedly my shoe. Pretty funny considering I never kicked him.

dys

The cops can claim anything, but the only thing you could be charged with is assault. (If that, sounds more like self defense) Cops don't know shit anyway. I would meet with the prosecutor, its up to you to get an attorney. If you do, I would also charge that back to your friend with the lien against his home.

Doesn't matter if you kicked him or not if you did it would of been justified at least in my state it would. It's up to the court at this point to render a decision but I would definitely take it before a jury if the prosecutor is being a dick about it.

[dys]

Whoa, I am glad that you were not seriously hurt! I hope you will not have any big troubles over this!

I'm fine, but the only thing that sucks is that I will probably end up with a pretty good scar from my nose laceration.

dys

[Ares]

I'm fine, but the only thing that sucks is that I will probably end up with a pretty good scar from my nose laceration.

dys

You may laugh, but Vaseline is awesome for tissue healing and does minimize scaring.

[Neuro]

Any nerve or tendon injuries to your hand?

[zap]

With Friends like that , you don't need enemies?

And what kind of a POS friend is that to call the cops?

[dys]

With Friends like that , you don't need enemies?

And what kind of a POS friend is that to call the cops?

Seriously. You know it was funny, I was shooting the breeze with the ambulance guys about that and we were laughing at what a moron he was. We thought 'how stupid is this guy for calling the cops after he just cut me with a machete!'

The thought NEVER occured to me that I would get arrested.

dys

[chad]

my wife is an hr director. i just showed her this. her advice: call your boss, today even if possible, and give a proactive story on what happened. have him find out from you, not someone else about the goings on. don't be on the defensive about it.

[Book]

...so I just kind of subdued him. I did give him one pop just to stop him, then I sort of pinned him down to the couch. His girlfriend started begging me to let him up...



Prosecutor's prime eye-witness.

::) you're fucked...lol.

[dys]

Any nerve or tendon injuries to your hand?

No the hand wound is mainly superficial, thankfully. I would imagine it will scar, though. It should end up a pretty cool scar.

dys

[Neuro]

No the hand wound is mainly superficial, thankfully. I would imagine it will scar, though. It should end up a pretty cool scar.

dys
Keep an eye on it, and wash the wound with soap regularly so it doesn't get infected...

[madfranks]

How could this guy be your friend when he tried to kill you with a machette? Wtf kind of friend is that? You could have been killed, taking a machette to the face!

Another lesson, although none of us like to deal with cops, the fact that he called them first meant he got to give them his story, which is why the cops came after you. I'd be pissed if I were you, and probably would sue his ass for assault with a deadly weapon.

[Old Herb Lady]

You may laugh, but Vaseline is awesome for tissue healing and does minimize scaring.

Definitely not funny ! He's gonna need it for sure !

[dys]

Prosecutor's prime eye-witness.

::) you're fucked...lol.

I'm not worried about that. This guy isn't going to want to be ostracized from our group by pressing charges against me. Plus as amazing as it may sound, he isn't going to want to lose my friendship. The one part of the story I left out, which is important, is that this guy just lost a loved one recently and suddenly. I think he just flipped his lid from the combo of too much booze and too much heartache.

dys

[dys]

How could this guy be your friend when he tried to kill you with a machette? Wtf kind of friend is that? You could have been killed, taking a machette to the face!

Another lesson, although none of us like to deal with cops, the fact that he called them first meant he got to give them his story, which is why the cops came after you. I'd be pissed if I were you, and probably would sue his ass for assault with a deadly weapon.

I would like to think he wouldn't have actually swung the thing...but I'm glad I never gave him the chance to. I think he was probably humiliated because he got punked in front of his girlfriend. I've known this guy since we were kids although we aren't real close or anything. But normally he is a pretty good guy.

dys

[madfranks]

I'm not worried about that. This guy isn't going to want to be ostracized from our group by pressing charges against me. Plus as amazing as it may sound, he isn't going to want to lose my friendship. The one part of the story I left out, which is important, is that this guy just lost a loved one recently and suddenly. I think he just flipped his lid from the combo of too much booze and too much heartache.

dys

Knowing this then, that night probably wasn't the best time to "expose his entire belief system as incorrect." Still no excuse to attack someone with a machete, but I bet some tact on your part would have spared you the whole ordeal.

I'm glad you're ok though, a boozed up guy coming at you with a machete, you could have died.

[Libertytree]

Damn Dys! Been there done that, only I wound up getting clocked by the gf too, she was in the middle and inadvertently got her face lacerated. Shitty times my friend. I hope you get all this cleared up without a whole, whole lot of grief, that sucks man. Wasn't much of a friend if ya ask me, I think you're better off in the long run dis-associating yourself from them and I feel bad you're having to go through this shit.

[Nomoss]

Take some pics. And do it very soon.

[willie pete]

sheesh......vette your "friends" with a little more scrutiny....::)

[midnight rambler]

In the future I would suggest you pay much closer to 'situational awareness' and the body language/tone of voice of anyone within machete striking distance. BTDT

Tough call, but remember - dead men tell no tales.

Have I got a machete story for you, check your PMs.

[Neuro]

I'm not worried about that. This guy isn't going to want to be ostracized from our group by pressing charges against me. Plus as amazing as it may sound, he isn't going to want to lose my friendship. The one part of the story I left out, which is important, is that this guy just lost a loved one recently and suddenly. I think he just flipped his lid from the combo of too much booze and too much heartache.

dys
I still don't think it is a good reason to go after a friend w a machete, and then call the police after the murder attempt failed... No matter what happens in this case I would stay away from him in the future.

[old steel]

Machete eh? WTF do you guys live in the jungle down there?

Jks. Hope everything works out for you dys. Sounds like you need some new friends.

[dys]

Knowing this then, that night probably wasn't the best time to "expose his entire belief system as incorrect." Still no excuse to attack someone with a machete, but I bet some tact on your part would have spared you the whole ordeal.

I'm glad you're ok though, a boozed up guy coming at you with a machete, you could have died.

Well, the longer version is that I wasn't actually talking directly to him during most of this. There were 4 people there besides him, and he was just kind of going along with whatever 1 of them was saying. Kind of nodding his head, "aha, yes, exactly" and such. So I didn't really notice him getting pissed....plus, I wasn't doing or saying anything that any rational person would be pissed over. Once everyone left except me, that's when things heated up quickly.
Incidently I just found out that is how he got me arrested, too. He said that I showed up unannounced and alone (not true)- he played the whole "I was defending my home" card, even though it was so far from true it's not even funny. The cops never even asked me about this part of it- makes me wonder if maybe he had a friend on the force.

Regardless of what his excuse was, this was an incredibly bad thing to do to someone. I won't say I'll write him off forever, because I'm not like that, but I won't be going over to his house anytime soon- apology or not.

dys

[EE_]

Dude, you are way more forgiving then me. If a friend came at me with a deadly weapon with the intent to harm, I'd write him off for good. Stick it to him, he ain't no friend!

[midnight rambler]

I won't say I'll write him off foreverThat's very magnanimous of you, however if someone tried using deadly force on me I would completely write them off forever* - that party is obviously not stable and has psychotic issues. To continue on as 'friends' after this episode would be just plain stupid on your part - imo.

*i.e. if there wasn't a case of justifiable homicide

[willie pete]

you can be sure of one thing; it WILL happen again and next time he might have more success.....just sayin'

[Gaillo]

Wow, Dys! I'm awestruck! :o
I just bought a decent Machete about 3 weeks ago, I've cleared some brush with it and done a little dead wood chopping with it... and I'll tell you RIGHT NOW that I would NOT want to be anywhere NEAR someone holding it with bad intentions toward me! You are EXTREMELY fortunate to be alive, if the guy had any intentions of doing anything other than scare you with it! :o

In any case, I agree completely with the majority of posters on this one... get the guy OUT of your life, quickly and permanently. Life's too short and important to squander on that kind of bullshit!

Wishing you a speedy recovery and a quick end to the legal problems this has brought you, even though (you must admit) it was partly your fault that things got so far out of hand.

[7th trump]

Maybe you should look at yourself Dys.
You have quite the track record here at this forum of pissing people off.

Instigation is not fishing for men Dys!
Also, what Old Herb Lady said.
I'd appologize to the guy and walk away and never have anything to do with him again.

[joboo]

There's no actual excuse for someone being that out of control over discussing differing opinions.

On the same note, if someone just died close to him, why are you racking his nuts over politics?

[dys]

There's no actual excuse for someone being that out of control over discussing differing opinions.

On the same note, if someone just died close to him, why are you racking his nuts over politics?

I didn't believe I was doing it in a goading way....but I probably was. I've never been very good at diplomacy.

dys

[sugar plum]

[QUOTE You could also counter sue your friend with Assault with a Deadly Weapon.[/QUOTE]

In one of our handgun DVDs, we were taught that juries tend to view arrested people as the bad guys (even if you just say "I want that man arrested" tends to sway juries into thinking that man is bad). Maybe it isn't too late to have your friend arrested and go on the offensive so it doesn't look as bad.

Also, if you need one, get a good lawyer who doesn't want you to talk to the cops at all. Hope you can find one! It's a myth that you have to talk to the cops to have something settled. They're only paid to lie in court. And never talk to the cops twice! They'll try to catch you in a lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Part 2 is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related

[joboo]

I didn't believe I was doing it in a goading way....but I probably was. I've never been very good at diplomacy.

dys


It's hard sometimes not to let the frustration though when discussing it.

My brother is open to it, and finds it all interesting, but my sister in law....not good. I don't discuss some things with her anymore.

Often little seeds planted over time are more effective. I've learned the hard way on this a few times.

[vacuum]

People like that are a liability. I would try to smooth this incident over and make the guy think everything is cool, but in reality never deal with him again in any meaningful way.

It doesn't matter if someone is a childhood friend, or in some cases even family. If they choose to be a drone for the state, and would trade you in for it, then it's not worth it to try to change them. Hide your opinions from them.

[StreetsOfGold]

I figured he had too much to drink

Herein lies the problem. He was drinking. Drinking in the Bible is associated with recieving a "SPIRIT" and not the Holy Spirit, an unclean spirit.
The worlds knows this instinctively which is why they often call alcohol "Spirits" ie. Food and spirits (< a sign on a local restaurant)

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Samuel 1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: (Jesus, a man of sorrows and aquainted with grief) I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

You would have been far better off talking about the Lord with this man and assisting him with getting right with God.

Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

[osoab]

Sorry to hear about your injuries and arrest dys. Definitely not a good evening.

You may want to start taking a different approach with people. No offense meant, but you can get quite aggressive with folks on the forum. I bet you get very riled up in the flesh.

I wouldn't keep this guy around in your life. You had better cut off all communication with him regardless for the time being. Since you were arrested for attacking him, any contact you make in any form may be considered as intimidation.

Your going to have to lawyer up at this point. Maybe you lawyer will get the prosecutor to drop the charges. I think you have a viable point for dropping the charges. Pay for the best. It's worth it.

You may want to start a civil lawsuit against the guy to pay for medical expenditures. Just a thought.

I wouldn't discuss any of your procedural tactics among your common acquaintances. You never know who else may be scheming with the guy.

If he was foolish enough to call the cops on you after he had attacked you, I would keep as much distance as you can from the guy.

I also second the opinion above to tell your boss what is going on. Tell him first thing in the morning. Unless your boss is a complete dick and you are a complete fuckstick at work, your boss would appreciate it if you told him. You will be missing work for court. Might as well tell him that you will be needing a few hours off every now and then.

Good luck.

[milehi]

I'm glad you're alright. I agree that you should trim this guy from your life. He's shown the type of man he is at the core.

[dys]

Real positive response from my friends...they know I would never start something like this. My family, on the other hand, has reacted poorly. All they hear is that I was the one that got arrested...to them that is proof of my guilt regardless of the fact that I was defending myself from a machete attack.

dys

[LuckyStrike]

Several observations, some of them have already been said.

1) Why talk politics in a heated way around someone who just lost someone?
2) What kind of friends were the 4 others that didn't stop the guy from attacking you to begin with, and especially when he went and got his machete?
3) What kind of friends were they to say "yeah you should call the cops on him", knowing that it wouldn't end well for at least one of you?

And if your side of the story is accurate, I think you need to choose better friends.

I've gotten into heated arguments, and seen my friends get in arguments amongst themselves, but I've never seen it come to blows and definitely never attack someone with a weapon. By definition if someone is willing to risk your life they aren't your friend, because even if your friend came out with a machete to just look hard in front of the rest of the group or intimidate you, he had no way to know that you wouldn't take it and kill him with it. When weapons come into the picture it escalates 50 fold. So this "friend" was willing to risk escalating it to the point where one of you died. Look at that rationally and don't downplay its significance.

[dys]

Several observations, some of them have already been said.

1) Why talk politics in a heated way around someone who just lost someone?
2) What kind of friends were the 4 others that didn't stop the guy from attacking you to begin with, and especially when he went and got his machete?
3) What kind of friends were they to say "yeah you should call the cops on him", knowing that it wouldn't end well for at least one of you?

What happened unfortunately is that my other friends had just left when this incident occured. The conversation was mostly had with other people being the animated ones in there responses, and him agreeing with the animated ones. It wasn't like I was badgering him or trying to start something...I wasn't even really conversing directly with him until the very end when I was just trying to calm him down. I didn't realize he was even angry until he was at the point of rage. LIke I said, I thought he was joking when he first started going off. Once I realized how pissed he was, I tried to leave. This is the part that really gets me- he followed me outside with his machete once I had tried to walk away. I explained this to the cops about a hundred times- how in the world can you arrest me when I was the one that tried to walk away and he followed me with a machete?

dys

[revolution]

He's not your friend. You should sue the hell out of him

[Cebu_4_2]

There is not much to ad here besides this completely sucks!

[Spectrism]

You should have insisted that he be arrested if your were and that they sort out the truth.

Since he called with first complaint and you did not answers any of the cops' questions, you were presumed guilty.

He has another, albeit biased, witness. A skilled lawyer could trip her up in court, but this is all depending on an intelligent jury.... something I have seen they work hard to prevent.

This unstable beast is NOT your friend. He should not even be an acquaintence.

[General of Darkness]

Damn dude. Everyone has pretty much covered what I'd say, sorry for your troubles and heal quickly.

[Glass]

what happened to the weapon? Did the police have the weapon?

The weapon needs to be found and secured as evidence. I think it will be critical to your defence.

[osoab]

You could say that it was a domestic dispute and they would have to go back and arrest him. ;D

[solid]

Sorry to hear about this, dys, and glad you are OK.

As much as I agree with the others that this is no friend of yours, you need to get these charges dropped. Don't be hostile towards this guy. Get this fixed, get a good lawyer, try to get this resolved without having it go on your record. Hopefully, this guy, once sober, will not press charges.

Also, I'd let your boss know what's going on as well.

Once it's resolved, I'd stay away from those folks. They aren't true friends. The most important advise I think towards living a happy and full life..is removing the bad people from your life, and allowing the good ones in. The bad ones, can cause a lot of drama as you are experiencing, and the good ones can be enriching.

[woodman]

Sorry for the troubles dys. You will need a lawyer. You will also have to file against the insurance on the property. A claim of damages from you will instigate investigation and also help mitigate your medical bills. This person is a lowlife. Anyone who chooses to attack someone with the State is beyond the pale.

[dys]

what happened to the weapon? Did the police have the weapon?

The weapon needs to be found and secured as evidence. I think it will be critical to your defence.

They didn't do anything with it. I think he has a license for it, I'm not sure.

dys

[osoab]

They didn't do anything with it. I think he has a license for it, I'm not sure.

dys

License for a machete?

[dys]

License for a machete?

I thought I heard him talking about a few months ago, could be wrong.

dys

[Tumbleweed]

dys you need to stay the hell away from this guy. His girlfriend needs to find another boyfriend because the next time it might be her. I don't give a shit if he did just lose a relative. That's no excuse for what he did even if he was drunk or drinking. This was a huge red flag warning about this guy and you need to pay attention. I wouldn't go near him again unless I was packing and willing to shoot him if he came after me with a machete again.

[dys]

dys you need to stay the hell away from this guy. His girlfriend needs to find another boyfriend because the next time it might be her. I don't give a shit if he did just lose a relative. That's no excuse for what he did even if he was drunk or drinking. This was a huge red flag warning about this guy and you need to pay attention. I wouldn't go near him again unless I was packing and willing to shoot him if he came after me with a machete again.

I will stay away from him. I don't like to lose a friend, especially one that I've had since I was a kid, but it is necessary in this case. We are not close, so it's not a disaster...I'll certainly be more careful in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened to me.

dys

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Let this be a lesson to all that you don't go shoving red pills down peoples throats.

Especially when alcohol is involved.

[mick silver]

friend like that will get you killed . i am to old to f with someone pulling a knife because i would of laid his ass out in the grass with a shoot to the f head

[hoarder]

It would be interesting to have a list of the prescription drugs he was on.

[vacuum]

I will stay away from him. I don't like to lose a friend, especially one that I've had since I was a kid, but it is necessary in this case. We are not close, so it's not a disaster...I'll certainly be more careful in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened to me.

dys
I view friendship as a secondary type of relationship, and I don't see it as fundamental. I think people who have these types of "best friend forever" or "friend since childhood" relationships are hurting themselves unless they understand the status could change. The problems with these relationships is that they lock you down and force you to conform.

The two key primary relationships that I've identified as fundamental are that between a man and a woman, and that of a student and teacher. Both are oriented toward growth and transcendence, whereas the relationships I listed first are more oriented toward competition and keeping a status quo. This isn't always true, sometimes those relationships are fundamentally a student/teacher kind, which can even go both ways. But in that case there is usually a point where the teaching is finished.

The real value of friendships are that of mutual benefit. This is usually some type of economic benefit. So it's really a social interaction rather than a personal interaction.

[Libertytree]

I view friendship as a secondary type of relationship, and I don't see it as fundamental. I think people who have these types of "best friend forever" or "friend since childhood" relationships are hurting themselves unless they understand the status could change. The problems with these relationships is that they lock you down and force you to conform.

The two key primary relationships that I've identified as fundamental are that between a man and a woman, and that of a student and teacher. Both are oriented toward growth and transcendence, whereas the relationships I listed first are more oriented toward competition and keeping a status quo. This isn't always true, sometimes those relationships are fundamentally a student/teacher kind, which can even go both ways. But in that case there is usually a point where the teaching is finished.

The real value of friendships are that of mutual benefit. This is usually some type of economic benefit. So it's really a social interaction rather than a personal interaction.

Great post! But....:) ..... There are real bonafied friendships and relationships based on other things besides what ya listed. Personal interactions with common bonds, like mindedness..the list is long why people gravitate towards one another but it's not always just a cut and dry matter, many things come into play. I'm gonna ponder on this one though, cause you bring up some challenging side thoughts to boot. Thanks!

[zap]

I'd like to know how old you guys are Dys.... that might throw some light onto the subject.

[LastResort]

Glad you're ok Dys.

Let this be a lesson to everyone here at GSUS.

[iOWNme]

1. - Glad you are ok. Lesson learned.

2. - Why dont you go ahead and show your 'friend' just how the Law works? I would give him a first hand tour of how AFFIDAVITS work, how NOTICES can be used, and of course what a DEFAULT judgement looks like. I think it will really help him to 'stand under' the Law.

3. - Your 'friend' is lucky you dont open/conceal carry. (At least he's lucky Im not you)



*People who go around pro actively/offensively swinging machete's at people, deserve to be deleted from society.

[dys]

I'd like to know how old you guys are Dys.... that might throw some light onto the subject.

Mid 30's.

dys

[steel_ag]

Did you consume any alcohol prior to the incident?

Did your other "friends" witness the accuser consume alcohol prior to the incident?

impeaching an accuser's testimony...

[dys]

Did you consume any alcohol prior to the incident?

Did your other "friends" witness the accuser consume alcohol prior to the incident?

impeaching an accuser's testimony...

He was wasted, I wasn't. I had a couple of beers but I wouldn't say I was intoxicated.

dys

[Libertytree]

Was he irritated or aggressive verbally with the others before your incident? You might need them as witnesses as to his state of mind.

[Grad]

I am glad you survived the attack, dys.

I am reading a book. It is a very good book. I read a bounch of them in the same category and this one stands out.

unusual & unique

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594392137

here is a preview, contents and a few snips: http://ymaa.com/files/B2139-FacingViolence.pdf

They discriminate several levels of conciseness, such as "beliefs", "values", "morals" and "ethics"

they argue quite convincingly that, while it is not impossible to communicate with people on levels of ethics, morals and (sometimes) values,
it is outright impossible to do so on the plane of core beliefs. It is the same as telling them they are stupid.

to find such thoughts in that kind of book was unexpected to me. it explained to me many failures I had in my life

You may have made a drunk guy feel stupid in presence of females. Core beliefs is what people are. It is un-alienable from who they are and therefore always very personal. Overflow of anger and hate made his rational system totally short circuited making him react with extreme violence.

Dare to question person's core belief and I guarantee you will be hated often forever.

A lesson to be learn here for all and the question remains pending ( at least for me ) : how to touch subject's irrational core beliefs without triggering explosive emotional response? How to detach person's core beliefs from his personal identification?

That's why "the system" choosed to take over the nation by brainwashing subjects at the early age. The dinosaurs planted at the age of five still rule the unconscious irrational beliefs for the rest of their lives.

[Uncle Salty]

Dys,

Don't go all soft. You need to go on the offensive and get a lawyers and start legal proceedings against your attacker. Otherwise, you are going to get fucked over big time.

A friend can get in a fight, but to call the cops and press charges is a different story. Unless all charges are dropped immediately, you are in for some legal hurt unless you protect yourself with legal action.

[Libertytree]

Dys,

Don't go all soft. You need to go on the offensive and get a lawyers and start legal proceedings against your attacker. Otherwise, you are going to get fucked over big time.

A friend can get in a fight, but to call the cops and press charges is a different story. Unless all charges are dropped immediately, you are in for some legal hurt unless you protect yourself with legal action.

The problem is the state can file charges on its own even if the original complaintant doesn't press charges. I agree that an aggressive stance would be the best.

[ximmy]

Dys,

Don't go all soft. You need to go on the offensive and get a lawyers and start legal proceedings against your attacker. Otherwise, you are going to get fucked over big time.

A friend can get in a fight, but to call the cops and press charges is a different story. Unless all charges are dropped immediately, you are in for some legal hurt unless you protect yourself with legal action.

Agree, your friend is coming after you... You need to counter attack.

BTW records will probably reveal he has attacked someone before, without a doubt he is prone to violence and killing. If you let him off you can be sure he will kill someone else in the future.

[Horn]

Whoa, good luck with that case dys.

They will probably force a plea bargain the deadly weapon charge down to a D.V.

Which while sounding like a misdemeanor, is a felony.

[osoab]

dys, Did you tell your boss? Talk to a lawyer? Look into getting the arrest expunged?

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

He attacked you first both times and I think that this needs to be clearly stated. He broke the common law against you and is now probably going to lie about it. If you see him again, carry a tape recorder and get him to admit this. Dude was drunk, if you have noticed how drunk people's memories work, they are usually convinced that "In general I did nothing wrong, Dys brought it upon himself" rather than remembering their specific actions. Him attacking you is what started this thing. How did he attack you? Did he swing at you, push you? Explain this part please.

I agree with many of the choices you made once you were into the situation, although you could have done a lot to make sure it never got to this point. When you are dealing with people you need to be more aware of how their emotions change as you deliver your message. You can almost always tell when you are losing someone and you need to address it in a public debate. Appealing directly to this person with empathy and showing that you understand their concerns is often enough to defuse them. Some people can't take the "Tough love, this is the situation" speech.

[dys]

I appreciate all of the concern and comments. I'd like to generally answer as many of your questions as I can in this post. Here is some more info:

1. The reason I didn't realize how pissed he was is because much of the conversation wasn't directly with him, it was with the other people. He was not outspoken during this time, so I wasn't aware that his he was getting angry.
2. BUT once everyone left except him and his girlfriend, things changed. As I was having a pleasant conversation with his girlfriend, he started interrupting me with comments like "dude, that's ridiculous." then "you're an idiot.", "you're pissing me off", etc... I really thought he was kidding at first, truthfully. As his verbal barrages got more severe, I got offended. From my standpoint I had done absolutely nothing wrong and given him way more rope than he deserved. Finally I said something along the lines of "dude, I've let you go pretty long here, knock it off."
3. Him: "What are you going to do about it." Me: "Just knock it off."
4. At this point he got up and charged me, full speed. I think the intent was to tackle me or maybe take a swing.
5. I never let him...I gave him a decent shot, but not as hard as I could, and pinned him to the couch. I told him "you owe me one hell of an apology." Then I got up to walk outside.
6. Once I walked outside, I was a good 9 or 10 steps down his driveway when I heard footsteps. I saw him approaching me very quickly, probably 2 steps away from me, with what I thought at that moment was an aluminum baseball bat. He didn't swing it or anything, I wasn't going to give him the chance. I was on him as quick as I could. So I guess you could say that he didn't technically attack me although the intent was pretty clear to me at the time.
7. I have not retained an attorney yet. I don't plan to, if I have to I'll represent myself.
8. But I've heard through the grapevine he is not going to persue this.
9. I'm waiting to see what kind of apology I'm going to get (if any) before I decide if I'm going to countersue him.
10. I'm not sure how long I'm going to give this before I make a decision about countersuing. Probably not long...but I'd rather not go that route unless I have to.

dys

[Book]

I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system. He started getting pissed that I was exposing his entire belief system as incorrect. The more I was able to blow up his arguments and delusions, the more pissed he got. Eventually he told me that I was pissing him off and his voice started rising...






BUT once everyone left except him and his girlfriend, things changed. As I was having a pleasant conversation with his girlfriend, he started interrupting me with comments like "dude..."



http://www.valeriecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/The-Love-Triangle-Mix2.jpg

::) Dude...you belittled and demeaned and insulted his intelligence in front of his girlfriend...then apparently came on to her...lol.

[Cebu_4_2]

2. As I was having a pleasant conversation with his girlfriend, he started interrupting me with comments like "dude, that's ridiculous." then "you're an idiot.", "you're pissing me off", etc... I really thought he was kidding at first, truthfully. As his verbal barrages got more severe, I got offended. From my standpoint I had done absolutely nothing wrong and given him way more rope than he deserved. Finally I said something along the lines of "dude, I've let you go pretty long here, knock it off."
To him you probably looked like you were trying to deal her and then threatened him...



7. I have not retained an attorney yet. I don't plan to, if I have to I'll represent myself.
Now this is a spooky thought, you alone VS the state!

8. But I've heard through the grapevine he is not going to persue this.
I sure hope not, but the state will weather or not he does.

10. I'm not sure how long I'm going to give this before I make a decision about countersuing. Probably not long...but I'd rather not go that route unless I have to.
See #8 above

dys
. .

[dys]

I can assure everyone here that me hitting on his girlfriend was NOT an issue. It was probably all of 2 minutes after everyone left that things heated up.

dys

[Uncle Salty]

Get a lawyer...regardless of what you hear his intent is. You do not want the state to go after you even if he drops all charges.

[dys]

Get a lawyer...regardless of what you hear his intent is. You do not want the state to go after you even if he drops all charges.

No witnesses and 2 knife wounds, I'll take my chances against any jury with no lawyer.

dys

[Tumbleweed]

Dys the bottom line here is stay the hell away from this guy and his girlfriend. If he ever comes after you again with a machete shoot the SOB.

[Awoke]

As I was having a pleasant conversation with his girlfriend





his girlfriend...then apparently came on to her...lol.


You are such a shit-disturbing non-contributor. Why do you even hang around here? GTFO and go back to GIM.

[sirgonzo420]

You are such a shit-disturbing non-contributor. Why do you even hang around here? GTFO and go back to GIM.

Oh come on he's fun.

;D

[horseshoe3]

I'll agree with you in most cases Awoke. But this time, I think he's actually trying to be helpful by showing how Dys' words can be twisted and used against him. And I think we can all agree that noone is better at it than Book.

[Awoke]

No one can twist "pleasant conversation" into "coming on to" a person, except a pathological liar.

[sirgonzo420]

No one can twist "pleasant conversation" into "coming on to" a person, except a pathological liar.

And the world is full of them.

:(

[EE_]

I give credit to anyone that is really good at what they do, no matter what it is.
The only people that can upset me are people I care about or those disrespecting people I care about.
I don't think book disrupts the forum like some others have. He makes a good point now and then playing the devils advocate.
Everyone has their place here, let book have his...jmho

[horseshoe3]

No one can twist "pleasant conversation" into "coming on to" a person, except a pathological liar.

Umm, it's going to be in the court system with a lot of lawyers involved. I think he'll find plenty of pathological liars there.

[Book]

No one can twist "pleasant conversation" into "coming on to" a person, except a pathological liar.



http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/jury.bmp

Apparently the GSUS Jury has found fellow member Dys completely innocent of all charges after only reading HIS version of the events of that night.

::) the police arrested Dys after listening to HIS story...lol.

[Book]

No one can twist "pleasant conversation" into "coming on to" a person, except a pathological liar.



http://blatherwatch.blogs.com/talk_radio/images/2008/09/25/20050528geezer.jpg
"Your boyfriend is an idiot and I am an awakened GSUS genius"




::) "pleasant conversation"







I then told the cop the truth about what happened...but they arrested me anyway. They did not arrest my friend...he looked I beat him up and not vica versa...Of course they charged me with assault with a deadly weapon...I had to bail myself out- 540 bucks, and now I'm afraid I'll lose my job...

dys



::)

[mamboni]

http://blatherwatch.blogs.com/talk_radio/images/2008/09/25/20050528geezer.jpg
"Your boyfriend is an idiot and I am an awakened GSUS genius"




::) "pleasant conversation"






::)


I wonder if your keyboard is shaped like a machete.2490

[EE_]

I wonder if your keyboard is shaped like a machete.2490

Books keyboard

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/ROCK-6/DSCF0102.jpg

[Book]

I was over a friends house...I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system. He started getting pissed that I was exposing his entire belief system as incorrect. The more I was able to blow up his arguments and delusions, the more pissed he got....I did give him one pop just to stop him, then I sort of pinned him down to the couch. His girlfriend started begging me to let him up...I caught him good with 3 or 4 real good shots...Long story short, I pinned him again and gave him 1 or 2 more pops, and when I was satisfied he wasn't capable of getting up...my friend that had called the cops. Apparently he told them that the fight was started by me...but they arrested me anyway. They did not arrest my friend...he looked I beat him up and not vica versa, and also that he claimed that I kicked him. Of course they charged me with assault...I had to bail myself out- 540 bucks, and now I'm afraid I'll lose my job over this BS.

dys



When Dys does what is highlighted in red he is a saint. When Book does what is highlighted in red he is a bad man.

::) imagine if I did this to you in front of your girlfriend

[Awoke]

I wonder if your keyboard is shaped like a machete.2490

It's probably shaped like a NAMBLA membership card.

Book, our very own statist agent of division, continues to post images that automatically assert that Dysgenic is misrepresenting the truth.

But it's OK, right?
...cuz Book iz funny!!

::)

If Dysgenic had have been the one to assault his Blue pill friend with machete, I wonder if Book would place the blame on the Blue piller? I can only suppose so, based on his assertions in this thread.

[Awoke]

When Dys does what is highlighted in red he is a saint. When Book does what is highlighted in red he is a bad man.

::)

You forgot to say something snide in small orange bold print.

[Book]

I was over a friends house and we were hanging out and talking. We started discussing law... I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system....but they arrested me anyway. They did not arrest my friend...Of course they charged me with assault with a deadly weapon...



:D the irony...lol.

[DMac]

Dysgenic, I think you really need to step back and reexamine your life. A "friend" swung a machete in your general direction?

"With friends like that..."

This is almost too much to believe, not cool on many levels.. Also, posting about this arrest online so shortly after is a big no-no. Your lawyer is going to rip you a new one IMO.

And btw Book is right. Plant seeds, do not attempt to show their entire life is a lie - what kind of friend does that to another friend? When you seek to inherit the wind do not be surprised when discord flies in your direction.

What a mess.

[Awoke]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2581934509_1af25db504.jpg

[Santa]

My guess is that the State will prosecute whether the "friend" does or not.
We live in a Fascist State now.... and as such profit is the prime directive. Not justice. Profit.
The State doesn't give a rats ass who was right or wrong. It's all about weighing costs vs profits.

[Awoke]

Off topic, but on topic. I am posting this because Book is a _____________ (Fill in the blank) and he is playing this "Obviously Dygenic was in the wrong because they arrested him" card, which is total bullshit.


I have a close and personal friend who, when she was a teenaged woman, was in a relationship with a physically abusive guy. He had broken her nose three times, and she was suffering from battered wife syndrome, in which she believed he would stop being abusive some day, and turn into a good guy.

One night, without provocation, the boyfriend punched her square in the face, then grabbed her and threw her down to the asphalt on the road, smashing her head off a curb. The impact split her scalp open and gave her a concussion.
A man and woman who were out walking their dog saw this, and called the police, and wouldn't let the abusive boyfriend go anywhere until they arrived.

So the cops came. My friend refused to file charges against her abusive boyfriend. So they charged her. Gave her a ticket for being inebriated in public (which she was not), and never gave her a ride to the hospital. The man who beat her was sent on his way, no repercussions.

She was left on the side of the road with a split scalp, a concussion, a black eye and a fine.

Fuck cops.

[Book]

I am posting this because Book is a _____________ (Fill in the blank) and he is playing this "Obviously Dygenic was in the wrong because they arrested him" card, which is total bullshit.



1) Was a visiting guest in the home.

2) Constantly insulted the intelligence of the co-worker friend host in front of his girlfriend in his own home.

3) Rather than simply leave, initiated violence by throwing the first punch and holding down the weaker co-worker friend host. Subsequently assaulted the weaker co-worker friend host again rather than simply leave.

4) Was a visiting guest in the home.

::) Nice try Awoke

[Neuro]

Do you have a special machete for visiting guests that refuse to agree with your pow Book?

[Awoke]

1) Was a visiting guest in the home.

2) Constantly insulted the intelligence of the co-worker friend host in front of his girlfriend in his own home.

3) Rather than simply leave, initiated violence by throwing the first punch and holding down the weaker co-worker friend host. Subsequently assaulted the weaker co-worker friend host again rather than simply leave.

4) Was a visiting guest in the home.

::) Nice try Awoke

Nice attempt at a twisted interpolation of the situation, book.

Back here on planet earth, I think this is closer to what happened:

1 ) Was a visiting guest in a home
2 ) Engaged in discussion that brought uncomfortable truths to the surface
3 ) Was verbally attacked first
4 ) Was physically attacked second
5 ) Defended self
6 ) Left residence
7 ) Was attacked again, outside of the house, with a deadly weapon
8 ) Defended self effectively
9 ) Was charged by the pigs

[Gaillo]

Nice attempt at a twisted interpolation of the situation, book.

Back here on planet earth, I think this is closer to what happened:

1 ) Was a visiting guest in a home
2 ) Engaged in discussion that brought uncomfortable truths to the surface
3 ) Was verbally attacked first
4 ) Was physically attacked second
5 ) Defended self
6 ) Left residence
7 ) Was attacked again, outside of the house, with a deadly weapon
8 ) Defended self effectively
9 ) Was charged by the pigs

Yep... that's my take on it too, after reading Dys's account of things.
However, keep in mind that Book is our resident authority worshipper and .gov bootlicker, so whenever the cops are involved you can almost be certain he's going to take their side. ::)

[Book]

This is almost too much to believe, not cool on many levels...



http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/krir0yaqq97xvl.jpg




I was over a friends house and we were hanging out and talking. We started discussing law... I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system. He started getting pissed that I was exposing his entire belief system as incorrect. The more I was able to blow up his arguments and delusions, the more pissed he got. Eventually he told me that I was pissing him off and his voice started rising.



:)

[Awoke]

Also the statement that Dysgenic "threw the first punch" is a play on words. A typical Book-twisting of the truth.

Dysgenic said plainly "Then he attacked me!"

Following the initial attack, he reservedly doled a single punch in self defense, which is a lot less than what most people would offer. If anything, I would say that Dysgenic showed restraint.

[Awoke]

What point is that quote supposed to make?

Are you telling us that Dysgenic's friends entire belief system is factually accurate and correct? Please explain how you can be so sure. Thanks.

[mick silver]

if people are not awake yet then SO be it . i dont have the time to set around and tell people what they do not want to hear . most people know and just dont care no more ......... shit a coming in this country and it best to start keeping stuff to one self are start picking people that are like you . something bad is in the air ............ i learned a long time ago never go to someone home and start some thing you can never win . if you dont believe me then come to my home . i am not taking sides , this is just the way it is

[Book]

http://www.showmenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/208_betty_don_dinner_party.jpg




I was over a friends house and we were hanging out and talking. We started discussing law... I was trying to educate him and his girlfriend on the bogus nature of our criminal justice system. He started getting pissed that I was exposing his entire belief system as incorrect. The more I was able to blow up his arguments and delusions, the more pissed he got.



::)




Are you telling us that Dysgenic's entire belief system is factually accurate and correct? Please explain how he can be so sure. Thanks.

[dys]

I appreciate the support of some of you. Much more than you know....
Today was an absolutely awful day. Went to court for my arraignment. My friend did not show up (I heard through the grapevine he is sorry and will not be pressing charges). When I arrived in court, they shackled me and put me in a holding tank because the prosecuting attorney wanted to get more bail money out of me. Then they called me dead last out of a good 50 people, at the very end of the day. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts I'm on some sort of black list because I've challenged parking tickets and other tickets in the past and embarrassed the heck out of them.

Turns out that he was more badly hurt than I realized- he had a fractured eye socket and is in tough shape. I feel awful. I did not mean to hurt him that bad. Worse, this has really torn my family apart as people are starting to take sides.


Truth is, if I had to do it over again I would have just let him hit me when he charged me the first time. I now know what Jesus meant when he said "turn the other cheek."

dys

[Horn]

When Dys does what is highlighted in red he is a saint. When Book does what is highlighted in red he is a bad man.

You are the Ying to his Yang.

[dys]

You forgot to say something snide in small orange bold print.

Small print written in that way is Masonic. I've seen it.

dys

[Glass]

Turns out that he was more badly hurt than I realized- he had a fractured eye socket and is in tough shape.

How do you know this? Where was this told to you and by whom?

It's not your fault you former friend was under prepared. You know. Can't stand the heat.

[lapis]

Turns out that he was more badly hurt than I realized- he had a fractured eye socket and is in tough shape. I feel awful. I did not mean to hurt him that bad. Worse, this has really torn my family apart as people are starting to take sides.

Truth is, if I had to do it over again I would have just let him hit me when he charged me the first time. I now know what Jesus meant when he said "turn the other cheek."

I'm sorry to hear this, and hope your ordeal will be over soon.

[Awoke]

You were attacked twice, and the second time with a machete.

You let him off easy, Dysgenic.

[Neuro]

You were attacked twice, and the second time with a machete.

You let him off easy, Dysgenic.
I think so to, you were attacked with a potentially deadly weapon (doesn't matter if it had been a baseball bat as you first thought), you were entitled to neutralize the threat to your life...

[JDRock]

how ironic, Dys that an argument about the folly of the courts lands you in one! no doubt the two will collaborate on a false story to protect themselves at your expense!...how will they feel about "justice" then??

[dys]

How do you know this? Where was this told to you and by whom?

It's not your fault you former friend was under prepared. You know. Can't stand the heat.

The prosecuting attorney as well as several mutual friends/acquaintances.

dys

[Glass]

The prosecuting attorney as well as several mutual friends/acquaintances.

dys


Ok so it was a committal hearing? Arraignment? No actual testimony at this time. I say this because until someone testifies it's all heresay.

How does that work I wonder? Any ideas anyone? I have sat in magistrates court and listened to police provide 3rd party testimony and medical diagnosies, a) without any first hand knowledge and b) without any medical expertise. To me that would be heresay but I don't know about pre-trial hearings. Magistrates court is supposed to be a filter for determining a case i.e. schedule a trial or dimsiss charges. For some strange reason people go in there and make pleadings for relief... which they get in spades.. although I doubt it's very relieving to be convicted without trial.

someone will know more.

[PlatinumBlonde]

if people are not awake yet then SO be it . i dont have the time to set around and tell people what they do not want to hear . most people know and just dont care no more ......... shit a coming in this country and it best to start keeping stuff to one self are start picking people that are like you . something bad is in the air ............ i learned a long time ago never go to someone home and start some thing you can never win . if you dont believe me then come to my home . i am not taking sides , this is just the way it is

There is an old Turkish saying that may apply here---'The guest is the donkey of the host'.. However dys did say he LEFT the premises and the guy followed him and attacked him with a deadly weapon, if I understand that coreectly..

[PlatinumBlonde]

I think one of the major issues here is that the 'establishment' does not want the common people to defend themselves..so maybe they are seeking to make an example of dys..

[mick silver]

there also a saying that a man is the king of his home ... and when said man ask you to leave you best hear him . all i am saying is if you hit me in MY home good luck to you making off my land

[Serpo]

as people are starting to take sides.




dys


It seems people here have taken sides also with the usual effect of tearing some people of the forum to bits.
This is what happens when we take sides and become emotionally involved....all sorts of crazy stuff starts coming out to support our own view point .

[LastResort]

It seems people here have taken sides also with the usual effect of tearing some people of the forum to bits.
This is what happens when we take sides and become emotionally involved....all sorts of crazy stuff starts coming out to support our own view point .

Exactly.

I'm sure Dys has probably already beat himself up enough over this, and has spent lots of time reflecting. No need to rub salt in the wound...

[PlatinumBlonde]

there also a saying that a man is the king of his home ... and when said man ask you to leave you best hear him . all i am saying is if you hit me in MY home good luck to you making off my land

Dys didn't hit him at his house, he left and the guy followed him outside and attacked him.

[Serpo]

Exactly.

I'm sure Dys has probably already beat himself up enough over this, and has spent lots of time reflecting. No need to rub salt in the wound...

Wasnt really relating to dys but others

[LastResort]

Wasnt really relating to dys but others

Me too. In a different way I guess...

[dys]

I wanted to reflect and consider very carefully before I wrote this post.

I am having a very hard time not getting offended at some of these comments on this thread. There have been strange (and untrue) assumptions by some about how I contributed to this situation. Some have even twisted my words to fit their own self riteous conclusions which are simply wrong and totally divorced from reality.
To reiterate:

1. I have known this guy since we were kids. I never had any reasonable indication that he was capable of this type of behaviour, and this is based on YEARS of hanging out with him.
2. I didn't verbally assault him, challenge him, or speak to him disrespectfully. Again, I thought he was kidding when he initially expressed anger. I had no reason to suspect this conversation would turn into even an argument, never mind a fight.
3. The only reason I hit him one time in his home was because he attacked me. I am not exaggerating when I say he was coming at full speed with his fists clenched towards me.
This is not my first rodeo. I knew then (as I know now) that if I didn't defend myself, he would either tackled me or punched me.
4. After subduing him, I tried to walk away.
5. Once outside, he followed me out.
6. By the time I realized this, he was right on top of me. I had no time to react via diplomacy or flight.

I submit that this could have happened to anyone on this forum.

dys

[lapis]

Not to derail the thread, but there are 3,429 views to this thread. Wow! Well at least dys now you know how much we all care about and want to know what happened to you, even the lurkers. ;-)

[sirgonzo420]

Not to derail the thread, but there are 3,429 views to this thread. Wow! Well at least dys now you know how much we all care about and want to know what happened to you, even the lurkers. ;-)

Even DHS.

[lapis]

Even DHS.

Nice job if you can get it. ::)

[Gaillo]

Even DHS.


Nice job if you can get it, if you're a rapist, pedophile, or power-mad tyrant. ::)


Fixed that for you.

[sunshine05]

dys - I haven't been to this forum regularly so I missed this. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this. For what it's worth, I believe you 100%. I didn't read the entire thread but I hope the charges will be dropped. This is awful.

[willie pete]

this has turned into a Zombie thread that won't die....::)

[solid]

this has turned into a Zombie thread that won't die....::)

Well, I think we are all concerned about our friend dys and this unfortunate situation. He's right though, this really could happen to any one of us. It's also a good reminder not to talk about some of the things we discuss here, because we really don't now how people will react.

Hope this situation gets resolved, dys, and keep us updated.

[JohnQPublic]

Dys- best of luck getting through this predicament. It seems that if he came after you with a machete, you should be able to get clear of this.

[Libertytree]

Ya got me thinkin Solid, "we really don't now how people will react". How will milions of people react when their perceptions, belief systems and ways of life are hit hard or destroyed by the ugly reality? It's mind boggling, to me at least, that Dys's encounter could be replayed X 100 X millions, with much worse actions and consequences. This is just a tiny glimpse into a possible future.

[EE_]

How will milions of people react when their perceptions, belief systems and ways of life are hit hard or destroyed by the ugly reality? .

How will their belief systems be destroyed?
The majority will always have someone to blame "that gosh darn Obama", and someone new to replace him to save us "Go Romney", "Go Santorum!" and someone to laugh at "that Ron Paul is a kook...ha ha ha!"
The kind of change I think you are thinking of is many years away...and we'll be long dead.

[dys]

After going over that night in my head a hundred times over, I think I've nailed down specifically what it was that caused my friend to flip:

My friends girlfriend, referring to victimless crimes: "There is a reason the law is what it is." (implication- the law is about justice)
My friend: (nodding his head)
Me: "The reason isn't justice...it's about money (implication: theft) and control."
Both my friend and his girlfriend shaking their heads.

(at this point the tone of the evening had not yet shifted)

I then made a few arguments in support of my premise. These arguments were made in a 'seed planting' way, mostly in question form, but in my mind they are/were very powerful arguments.
My friend then started with his verbal attacks. My friend's girlfriend did not participate in these, nor do I believe she was upset in the slightest at the time.

I now believe these arguments simply overwhelmed my friends' denial self defense mechanism. It was not the way I spoke these arguments, rather the arguments themselves. Lesson: you can be as unassuming and respectful as you like, certain people will still feel attacked no matter how carefully you phrase things. See Marc Stevens' calls of shame.

dys

[Glass]

I have a friend who starts shaking all over, their legs start jigging around. They get up and walk about huffing and puffing as if they've had the wind knocked out of them. They get very stressed when I talk about this stuff. It startled me the first time I saw it. I thought they were more open than that.

[Grad]

Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.
The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
...
Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding
...
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder
....
They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again

[dys]

Update:

My friend has informed the prosecution that he does not want to pursue this and that he will not testify. Did they drop it? Of course not. A few more facts that make this thing even more of a laugher:

1. According to the police report, my friend's story was that I was beating him up inside of his house, and as I was beating him he pulled the machete from underneath his couch and cut me.
Problem is, his couch isn't anywhere NEAR big enough to fit a machete underneath of it. Problem number 2, there wasn't a drop of blood inside of the house even though I was bleeding so badly that my shirt was saturated with blood (all confirmed by the police report). Not to mention that I don't see how it would even be possible to reach behind him, pull out a machete, and somehow cut me with it as I was pummeling him. Problem #3, I had grass stains all over my jeans from the confrontation- which was also in the police report. My friend apparently claimed that he followed me outside for his safety and that I "fell down" out of fear once I was outside.
2. The cop that arrested me is the next door neighbor of my friend. They are friendly.
3. To reiterate, all of these facts are in the police report...to me it makes them look like fools. There was a backup cop that showed up that was clearly on my side, I bet he insisted that the report be written a certain way if he were to go along with the arrest.

Don't worry, I won't be accepting ANY plea bargain, no matter what. Death first.

dys

[EE_]

Shouldn't you be referring to him as "your former friend" or "a guy you used to know"?

[Spectrism]

What charges have you filed against the cops and the machete attacker?

[Cebu_4_2]

False arrest and attempted murder sounds about right.

[dys]

What charges have you filed against the cops and the machete attacker?

Neither and I won't be attempting either. The former, because I don't want to deal with the repercussions of such an act; the latter, because my attacker won't be pressing charges against me and he was a pretty decent friend of mine for a long time.

dys

[Spectrism]

Neither and I won't be attempting either. The former, because I don't want to deal with the repercussions of such an act; the latter, because my attacker won't be pressing charges against me and he was a pretty decent friend of mine for a long time.

dys

Big mistake. An innocent man who has been abused in the manner you described would be outraged and demanding a righteous accounting for having had to fight for his own life in the face of a maniacal attacker wielding a razor sharp machete. A man who is a guest in a "friend's" house would not be attacked by a sane man.

Your actions make you look guilty.

[osoab]

Neither and I won't be attempting either. The former, because I don't want to deal with the repercussions of such an act; the latter, because my attacker won't be pressing charges against me and he was a pretty decent friend of mine for a long time.

dys

He attacked you with a machete.

[dys]

Big mistake. An innocent man who has been abused in the manner you described would be outraged and demanding a righteous accounting for having had to fight for his own life in the face of a maniacal attacker wielding a razor sharp machete. A man who is a guest in a "friend's" house would not be attacked by a sane man.

Your actions make you look guilty.

It would be idiotic for me to sue him right now. He has already informed the prosecution and police that he won't be testifying against me. That means, essentially, that they have no case. They might posture for awhile in hopes that I'll accept a plea, but in the end this isn't going anywhere. However, if I were to file against this guy, he would almost be forced to change his stance. That would not only put me at risk, it would be a huge expense and a huge pain in the ass for me. Once this case is adjudicated, maybe then I will consider filing suit...but probably not because it's really not my style. The quickest way to make this thing go away is for me to do nothing right now.

dys

[woodman]

Dys, how can you be sure he will go against his original intentions and not testify? The police seem to have a hard-on for you for some reason, other wise they would never have arrested and charged you anyway. They may very well threaten him at this point for making spurious or false charges and he may feel he has no choice but to testify against you. You are in a serious bind. I have not had time to read the whole thread so I don't know if you got a lawyer but if not you may want to.

[EE_]

This whole ordeal sounds like it is out of your hands now.
Once a charge has been filed, it becomes a court issue and makes no difference if this creep does not testify.
Your money will be extracted from you and you most likey have a record of an assault.

I have seen this before when wives in the heat of the moment, call police saying she was assaulted by the husband...only later to cool down and retract her statement.
It's already too late and is now in the courts hands.

Sorry dys. I think you should file charges against the creep and make him pay all the costs that the court decides they want. You may have a record when this is done. Maybe you will even lose your right to own firearms, being a violent offender on record?

[midnight rambler]

Shouldn't you be referring to him as "your former friend" or "a guy you used to know"?

How about 'that jackass who assaulted me'?

The dickhead has brought a ton of grief into your life and he's still your 'friend'??!?!?? I'm beginning to wonder about your ability to maintain lucidity.

[midnight rambler]

Update:

My friend has informed the prosecution that he does not want to pursue this and that he will not testify. Did they drop it? Of course not. A few more facts that make this thing even more of a laugher:

1. According to the police report, my friend's story was that I was beating him up inside of his house, and as I was beating him he pulled the machete from underneath his couch and cut me.
Problem is, his couch isn't anywhere NEAR big enough to fit a machete underneath of it. Problem number 2, there wasn't a drop of blood inside of the house even though I was bleeding so badly that my shirt was saturated with blood (all confirmed by the police report). Not to mention that I don't see how it would even be possible to reach behind him, pull out a machete, and somehow cut me with it as I was pummeling him. Problem #3, I had grass stains all over my jeans from the confrontation- which was also in the police report. My friend apparently claimed that he followed me outside for his safety and that I "fell down" out of fear once I was outside.
2. The cop that arrested me is the next door neighbor of my friend. They are friendly.
3. To reiterate, all of these facts are in the police report...to me it makes them look like fools. There was a backup cop that showed up that was clearly on my side, I bet he insisted that the report be written a certain way if he were to go along with the arrest.

Don't worry, I won't be accepting ANY plea bargain, no matter what. Death first.

dys

As I related earlier, I have a machete story that tops yours easily. Guess what - the cops don't give a flip-flying fuck about the finer details of the scene which DISPROVE your assailant's version of events. BTDT

[dys]

This whole ordeal sounds like it is out of your hands now.
Once a charge has been filed, it becomes a court issue and makes no difference if this creep does not testify.
Your money will be extracted from you and you most likey have a record of an assault.

I have seen this before when wives in the heat of the moment, call police saying she was assaulted by the husband...only later to cool down and retract her statement.
It's already too late and is now in the courts hands.

Sorry dys. I think you should file charges against the creep and make him pay all the costs that the court decides they want. You may have a record when this is done. Maybe you will even lose your right to own firearms, being a violent offender on record?

I don't see myself losing this case if it goes to trial. I highly doubt that it will even go to trial.
BTW for everyone, 'friend' was just a term I was using for the sake of ease. If you like, from now on 'former friend'.

dys

[Libertytree]

Dys, you're the one living through all this, do what you feel is best, you're the one that's gonna have to deal with it now and in the future. Opinions and advice are good but ultimately it's all on you and it's about the decisions you make, for better or worse. My best to ya bro.

[7th trump]

Yep its between you and the "state" from here on out........you being a participant of Social Security are a ward of the "state".
Dont beleive me then here-

(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

Whats underlined and bolded is describing Social Security as that program is administered by the government. The Social Security Administration is a federal agency.
The state will decide who gets what, including what it will get.

[midnight rambler]

Yep its between you and the "state" from here on out........you being a participant of Social Security are a ward of the "state".
Dont beleive me then here-


Whats underlined and bolded is describing Social Security as that program is administered by the government. The Social Security Administration is a federal agency.
The state will decide who gets what, including what it will get.

How 'bout the cite for that?

[dys]

Update:

Went for my pretrial conference today. The prosecuting attorney was condescending and dripping with arrogance, and that was before the pretrial conference. During the pretrial conference, he refused to discuss the case with me. He wouldn't discuss the lack of a material witness. He wouldn't discuss the machete that was used in the altercation, even though this was clearly stipulated in the police report. He wouldn't discuss my requests for discovery, only to say that he didn't have to comply with them. He refused to discuss the facts and he refused try to narrow down the issues for trial. All he said was "I believe you are guilty and that is enough, it's not my fault you won't get an attorney."
Me: "Would an attorney be asking you these same questions I am asking you?"
Him: "Sir, this meeting is over." Wouldn't even address it.

Incidentally, the judge actually had to lecture this guy as he initially told the judge that he didn't want to file a pretrial report! I think the judge couldn't stand the guy, either...and they are on the same side.

dys

[osoab]

You are playing with fire dys.

I would go talk this over with multiple attorneys. You are already in their realm, you might as well use the tools that are necessary.

[dys]

You are playing with fire dys.

I would go talk this over with multiple attorneys. You are already in their realm, you might as well use the tools that are necessary.

Absolutely not. They have no witnesses. They have no case. What they are going to try to do is obvious....they are going to try and waste as much of my time as humanly possible, trying to get me to accept a plea. I will not accept a plea, no matter what.

dys

[ximmy]

Absolutely not. They have no witnesses. They have no case. What they are going to try to do is obvious....they are going to try and waste as much of my time as humanly possible, trying to get me to accept a plea. I will not accept a plea, no matter what.

dys

It's not your time they are concerned about, they want money. the whole thing is to extract payment from you.

[osoab]

Absolutely not. They have no witnesses. They have no case. What they are going to try to do is obvious....they are going to try and waste as much of my time as humanly possible, trying to get me to accept a plea. I will not accept a plea, no matter what.

dys

I look at it as a cost benefit analysis. Pay a lawyer 2 grand and the problem will go away. No charges and what not. Like you said, they have no case.

Your time is no longer wasted. Missing work and pissing off your boss and such. The prosecutor has nothing better to do than fuck with you.
I am guessing you have probably pissed this guy off too. (You do have a tendency to create a hostile reaction when you get going.) He will make it his mission to fuck you over and drag you over the coals. You may need to pony up 5 g's now to get this shit taken care of now. I don't know what the rates are for the best ones in your area. In the beginning, you would have had it taken care of for 1500 easily.

It's their game and you are stuck in it.

[solid]

Well said, Osoab.

Dys, pick your battles. The longer this goes on, they keep winning. Get this thing taken care of. Get some help.

[Book]

I don't see myself losing this case if it goes to trial.



http://brainden.com/images/i-object.jpg

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/images/smilies/popcorn.gif pretend you are Palani and tell the judge you do not acknowledge his jurisdiction.

[horseshoe3]

At what point in the process do you get a public defender?

[osoab]

At what point in the process do you get a public defender?

You got to be po to get a public pretender.

I know of one who did the pretending on contract. He gave the following advice to a potential client "A felony isn't that bad". I shit you not.

From what I have been told, is that the wheeling and dealing goes on at their private clubs, country clubs, etc. Trade a felony plea for one for accepting a misdemeanor plea on an original class 1 felony charge.

It's all about the money.

[Libertytree]

What would yaw'll do if you couldn't afford a good lawyer? I know I couldn't. I don't now about you but I'll defend myself before I let a PD handle it. For that matter lawyers are worthless most of the time too, they just want their piece of the scam.

[D sciple]

Idk what to say here...

Fascinating story. I think personally I would have sprinted off the property when I saw dude with a weapon coming after me...but I think I can outrun most people (especially drunk people). This obviously doesn't really help you now.

I'd just like to toss in a Matrix reference as someone here reminded me of its brilliance yesterday; all tool bags can become Agent Smith at any moment and this story was a good reminder.

[dys]

Idk what to say here...

Fascinating story. I think personally I would have sprinted off the property when I saw dude with a weapon coming after me...but I think I can outrun most people (especially drunk people). This obviously doesn't really help you now.

I'd just like to toss in a Matrix reference as someone here reminded me of its brilliance yesterday; all tool bags can become Agent Smith at any moment and this story was a good reminder.

Running was not an option at the time, unfortunately. When I was walking away (outside) I heard footsteps behind me. When I turned around, he was right on top of me and moving very quickly. No option to run, no option for diplomacy. At the time, I would never have imagined that he would come after me like that, the thought never even crossed my mind.

dys

[Libertytree]

Until you're put in unreal/surreal situations you can't fathom it! Absurd crazy shit is NEVER what crosses your mind! And if you think you're prepared you're fucking wrong!! While Dys' situation is different than my own history in ways, there's still that element of WTF? outta nowhere SHTF. How many here can say that someone has tried to kill them? Very few I imagine and you're lucky, it is pure terror and violent beyond description. Ever been hunted like an animal with people trying to find you and finish the job? Didn't think so and I hope not, to say it sucks is passe.

[dys]

Until you're put in unreal/surreal situations you can't fathom it! Absurd crazy shit is NEVER what crosses your mind! And if you think you're prepared you're fucking wrong!! While Dys' situation is different than my own history in ways, there's still that element of WTF? outta nowhere SHTF. How many here can say that someone has tried to kill them? Very few I imagine and you're lucky, it is pure terror and violent beyond description. Ever been hunted like an animal with people trying to find you and finish the job? Didn't think so and I hope not, to say it sucks is passe.

My friend I have been there, too. Not only is it no fun, it's something that stays with you. It changes your life, and not for the better. There is a certain minimum level of vigilance/awareness/guardedness that forever precludes you from totally relaxing after an experience like that. I'm sure you know what I mean.

dys

[7th trump]

Reaping your own reward comes to mind reading this thread.

[undgrd]

You're welcome to post whatever opinion you like...as am I.

If you want to say "I told you so", go start another thread.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/images/smilies/asshat.gif

[Awoke]

Reaping your own reward comes to mind reading this thread.

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/thirdimpact/DoucheBagmotivator.jpg

[7th trump]

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/thirdimpact/DoucheBagmotivator.jpg
So....is that a family picture Awoke?

Dys is about to get humbled in court as you cant go through life arrogently and not reap those awards.
Theres a passage stating if "you live by the sword you die by the sword".

Dys here is going to get a front row seat of God humbling onr of his children.
Like Spectrism stated earlier to the effect that God left us for we left Him so we are left smelling our own shit.........reaping our own reward.
But I dont expect you to understand what is meant to be "humble".

When we turn our backs on Gods ways He calls in His thrashing machine.....and its not pretty!
The courts are just one of Gods thrashing tools to humble a person on an individual basis.
Dys should have known to walk away from what hes now drowning in.
God asks for fishers.....not thugs!
So being a Bible thug that Dys demonstrates to being ...ole Dys gets to a front row seat of Gods personal rath.

[Awoke]

Pfft. You are the WRONG person to be judging ANYONE, considering you're following a cultist who bends and twists the scriptures akin to the BLT's in their kabbala and talmud.

Instead of being (the usual) complete and total elitist douchbag, what you should be doing is PRAYING FOR Dysgenic.
But no. The ever-so-humble-7th-Trump is too busy condemning Dysgenic and hoping for his demise than to actually say a heartfelt prayer. Too busy pointing out the faults that 7th perceives through his own deluded eyes.

You are the LAST person on earth to EVER make a call regarding what Dysgenic "Deserves" on behalf of Jesus.



God asks for fishers.....not thugs!


When was the last time you ever went fishing for men? I have never once seen you do that here, I have only ever seen you troll, and post haughty crap like you know something everyone else doesn't.


What a joke. I can't believe how many people lose sight of the fact that one of us was attacked with a machete, twice. Retards.

[Spectrism]

I said what?

In this episode we all are humbled to realize that we are living in a world loaded with evil. It is impossible for us to walk the narrow path and be perfect of our own.... and even when we walk with the Messiah, we are bound to be dragged through some muddy places.

Let's not add insult to injury.

[7th trump]

Pfft. You are the WRONG person to be judging ANYONE, considering you're following a cultist who bends and twists the scriptures akin to the BLT's in their kabbala and talmud.

Instead of being (the usual) complete and total elitist douchbag, what you should be doing is PRAYING FOR Dysgenic.
But no. The ever-so-humble-7th-Trump is too busy condemning Dysgenic and hoping for his demise than to actually say a heartfelt prayer. Too busy pointing out the faults that 7th perceives through his own deluded eyes.

You are the LAST person on earth to EVER make a call regarding what Dysgenic "Deserves" on behalf of Jesus.



When was the last time you ever went fishing for men? I have never once seen you do that here, I have only ever seen you troll, and post haughty crap like you know something everyone else doesn't.


What a joke. I can't believe how many people lose sight of the fact that one of us was attacked with a machete, twice. Retards.
You wouldnt know scripture if it hit you right upside your head Awoke.

I dont prey for people who dont deserve it.....it will do no good to prey for people like that!
Its like this:

Wise men are instructed by reason;
Men of less understanding, by experience;
The most ignorant, by necessity;
The beasts by nature.

Its well known on this forum Dys is egotistical. Hes somewhere lost between "less understanding" and "ignorant".
You are the same Awoke!
You accuse me of following an accultist because the Pastuer takes the Bible backs to its original language (which no other pastuer has done) and finds some translations are slightly off from the origin.
Knowing the truthful meaning of the passages brings other foggy passages into perspective which brings the Bible into a bigger picture of understanding.
I'd say the pasteur is passionate about getting the Word out to the masses dont you?
So if taking the time to translate Bible back into its original language and learn the language it is written in so the Word of God is more complete is accultic then I'm happy to be called and accused of being an "accultist freak".....it sure beats being of "lesser understanding" and "ignorant" to whore after satan whos fooled the world into beleiving hes Christ when you've been warned not to.
I dont think you have the credentials Awoke to say a damn thing really!
I havent judged anybody, so stop planting that deceitful seed.

Why and what good is it to prey for a willingly fool?
Its not like Dys is the victum here....hes the perpetrater who should have kept his mouth shut and none of it would have happened in the first place....but you are not going to understand this because you are of lesser understanding.

[Gaillo]

Awoke and 7th,
Enough of that nonsense... any more off-topic religious posturing/attacks and there WILL be bans.



I dont prey for people who dont deserve it.....it will do no good to prey for people like that!

Please... do NOT "prey" for me - how someone can come to a forum like this and quote scripture and preach hellfire and damnation without knowing how to spell PRAY is beyond my understanding! It truly boggles the mind... ???

[dys]

You wouldnt know scripture if it hit you right upside your head Awoke.

I dont prey for people who dont deserve it...


Well, I do. Even you.


You accuse me of following an accultist because the Pastuer takes the Bible backs to its original language (which no other pastuer has done) and finds some translations are slightly off from the origin.
Knowing the truthful meaning of the passages brings other foggy passages into perspective which brings the Bible into a bigger picture of understanding.
I'd say the pasteur is passionate about getting the Word out to the masses dont you?
So if taking the time to translate Bible back into its original language and learn the language it is written in so the Word of God is more complete is accultic then I'm happy to be called and accused of being an "accultist freak".....it sure beats being of "lesser understanding" and "ignorant" to whore after satan whos fooled the world into beleiving hes Christ when you've been warned not to.
I dont think you have the credentials Awoke to say a damn thing really!
I havent judged anybody, so stop planting that deceitful seed.

It is written:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
Corinthians 14:33


Why and what good is it to prey for a willingly fool?
Its not like Dys is the victum here....hes the perpetrater who should have kept his mouth shut and none of it would have happened in the first place....but you are not going to understand this because you are of lesser understanding

I'll say the same thing to you that I've said to certain members of my family that have turned on me because of this incident. NO ONE denies that my Xfriend used a machete during the altercation and wounded me with a it. Not the police. Not my xfriend. Not the prosecuting attorney. Not my xfriend's girlfirend.

dys

[7th trump]

Well, I do. Even you.



It is written:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
Corinthians 14:33



I'll say the same thing to you that I've said to certain members of my family that have turned on me because of this incident. NO ONE denies that my Xfriend used a machete during the altercation and wounded me with a it. Not the police. Not my xfriend. Not the prosecuting attorney. Not my xfriend's girlfirend.

dys
The point comes down to you provoking this friend of yours to attacking you Dys.
As wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove Dys!
All I'm saying Dys is you werent exercising "wiseness". Always keep an eye open for hotspots to know when to cool it.
Humble yourself in front of them when a hotspot shows its face....I dont care of you have to fake stubbing a toe in front of them. These types of people are easy to control if you know what type they are.
When talking about subjects of that matter hostility and anger can break out like a tornado in a midwest thunderstorm.
You are turning their world completely upside down and some cant take to much truth......this is where being gentle as a dove comes into the equation.
You know Dys God has put a spirit of slumber on a lot of them (for their own protection) and you arent going to remove that spirit from them.

[freespirit]

Personally, I would take my chances with the machete over the legal system.

All jokes and other BS aside, I don't envy your position Dys. You are taking a path few would willingly travel and the road ahead will be rough. Good luck to you in court.
God bless.

[dys]

The point comes down to you provoking this friend of yours to attacking you Dys.
As wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove Dys!
All I'm saying Dys is you werent exercising "wiseness". Always keep an eye open for hotspots to know when to cool it.
Humble yourself in front of them when a hotspot shows its face....I dont care of you have to fake stubbing a toe in front of them. These types of people are easy to control if you know what type they are.
When talking about subjects of that matter hostility and anger can break out like a tornado in a midwest thunderstorm.
You are turning their world completely upside down and some cant take to much truth......this is where being gentle as a dove comes into the equation.
You know Dys God has put a spirit of slumber on a lot of them (for their own protection) and you arent going to remove that spirit from them.

I will say that I've been wrong concerning my focus when it comes to discretion. Recently I've been focused on things like tone and delivery...the way that I say things to people. But I'm starting to realize that delivery is just one aspect of discretion. The other is whether to say these things at all. Grad had it right- we are questioning people's core beliefs. And I'm learning that most people don't base their core beliefs on things like evidence, facts...even experience. Their core beliefs are based on what other people's core beliefs are. So if you start questioning the core beliefs of someone that isn't capable of accepting that they might be wrong, the result is that they hate you. What this experience has taught me is that sometimes it doesn't matter how nicely you do this or how unassuming you are in your delivery. There is no way to couch it effectively.

dys

[osoab]

You know Dys God has put a spirit of slumber on a lot of them (for their own protection) and you arent going to remove that spirit from them.

Is that what it's called these days?

I thought it was head up ass.

[7th trump]

Is that what it's called these days?

I thought it was head up ass.
No, thats not what it is called these days.....................it was called that thousands of years ago when the Bible was written.

[Spectrism]

Slumber- not to protect them, but as judgment AGAINST them.

Rom 11:7 What then? What Israel seeks, this it did not obtain, but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
Rom 11:8 even as it has been written, "God gave to them a spirit of slumber, eyes not seeing and ears not hearing" until this day. Isa. 29:10; Deut. 29:4
Rom 11:9 And David said, "Let their table become for a snare and a trap, and for a stumbling block," and a repayment to them;
Rom 11:10 "let their eyes be darkened, not to see, and their back always bowing." LXX-68:23, 24; MT-Psa. 69:22, 23
Rom 11:11 I say, then, Did not they stumble that they fall? Let it not be! But by their slipping away came salvation to the nations, to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 But if their slipping away is the riches of the world, and their default the riches of the nations, how much more their fullness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you, the nations, since I am an apostle of the nations, (I glorify my ministry),
Rom 11:14 if somehow I may provoke to jealousy my flesh, and may save some of them.




And this has nothing to do with Dys.... and this thread.

[undgrd]

Dys

You're not just asking them to question their core beliefs. You're asking them to question the core beliefs of loved ones and trusted friends...possibly their parents.

That's a tough pill for anyone to swallow.

[Awoke]

Its like this:
somewhere lost between "less understanding" and "ignorant".
You are the same Awoke!

Hahaha.


I dont prey for people who dont deserve it.....it will do no good to prey for people like that!

Seriously. No reply required.

[Awoke]

Gaillo, I didn't see your warning until now, but I stand by what I said. I respect your decisions. 7th is a deceiver. I do not stand idle.

[7th trump]

Slumber- not to protect them, but as judgment AGAINST them.

Rom 11:7 What then? What Israel seeks, this it did not obtain, but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
Rom 11:8 even as it has been written, "God gave to them a spirit of slumber, eyes not seeing and ears not hearing" until this day. Isa. 29:10; Deut. 29:4
Rom 11:9 And David said, "Let their table become for a snare and a trap, and for a stumbling block," and a repayment to them;
Rom 11:10 "let their eyes be darkened, not to see, and their back always bowing." LXX-68:23, 24; MT-Psa. 69:22, 23
Rom 11:11 I say, then, Did not they stumble that they fall? Let it not be! But by their slipping away came salvation to the nations, to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 But if their slipping away is the riches of the world, and their default the riches of the nations, how much more their fullness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you, the nations, since I am an apostle of the nations, (I glorify my ministry),
Rom 11:14 if somehow I may provoke to jealousy my flesh, and may save some of them.




And this has nothing to do with Dys.... and this thread.
Whats the subject here Spectrism?
Figure out the subject and you'll clearly see you are wrong......this is stating they are given slumber for salvation.
What did the election obtain Spectrism?
You need to put on a higher level of thinking here Spectrism.....what did the elect obtain that the others didnt?

You're not even awake to what the elect obtained Spectrism.
What seperates the elect from the rest Spectrism?
This is very deep!
What do the elect know that the rest dont?
Arnold Murray has been preaching what the elect know for over thirty years.
Notice that the elect have to obtain it...............its not given to them?
They are tested, and tested, and tested!
What do they know that you dont?
What the elect know...the rest dont.....this seperates the bulls from the herd.
They are given slumber so they cannot commit a certain sin that will result in them perishing!
Do you know what "perishing" means Spectrism?
They are given slumber to keep them away from the knowledge that if they do not fully commit they will perish....thats the subject you are missing.
Who has God speak through them when they witness the false messiah?

[Spectrism]

Whats the subject here Spectrism?
Figure out the subject and you'll clearly see you are wrong......this is stating they are given slumber for salvation.
What did the election obtain Spectrism?

The meaning is very clear and it does not pertain to this thread.

The Jews rejected the Messiah. They wanted a worldly powerful leader to KILL all non-Jews (especially the Romans). God's plan was to provide salvation to all who would believe.... and through Abraham all nations would be blessed. Because the Jews wanted to elevate their works and pride above the salvation message given through Messiah, they were "given over to" a spirit of slumber.

The story here with Dys has nothing to do with faith in Messiah. Perhaps I am obtuse, but I don't see the link.

[7th trump]

The meaning is very clear and it does not pertain to this thread.

The Jews rejected the Messiah. They wanted a worldly powerful leader to KILL all non-Jews (especially the Romans). God's plan was to provide salvation to all who would believe.... and through Abraham all nations would be blessed. Because the Jews wanted to elevate their works and pride above the salvation messgae given through Messiah, they were "given over to" a spirit of slumber.

The story here with Dys has nothing to do with faith in Messiah. Perhaps I am obtuse, but I don't see the link.

You have no ears to hear nor eyes to see.
Forget I asked or even replied.

[Spectrism]

You have no ears to hear nor eyes to see.
Forget I asked or even replied.

Well that may be. I am surely not the brightest bulb in the lamp store. But one thing I am cautious about is being channelled by a cultist leader/preacher into a mindset that makes sense most of the way with the gospel, yet misses just enough to send one off course to doom.

The interpretation that was preached to you by a man was that slumber is good because it protects the people from sinning. Everywhere I read in the bible about people slumbering is clearly a willful neglect of duties. It is a shirking of the responsibility to be alert and on the watch. People slumbering ARE sinning and they ARE neglecting the warnings of the true prophets.

[Awoke]

Who tells Christians to be wise as a serpent?

[solid]

Dys,

Keep us posted. As of now, I have little faith in the system. If justice isn't served in your case, it will just confirm my suspicions and I will then have zero faith in the system.

You aren't just fighting for what's just....you are fighting for all of us!

[7th trump]

Well that may be. I am surely not the brightest bulb in the lamp store. But one thing I am cautious about is being channelled by a cultist leader/preacher into a mindset that makes sense most of the way with the gospel, yet misses just enough to send one off course to doom.

The interpretation that was preached to you by a man was that slumber is good because it protects the people from sinning. Everywhere I read in the bible about people slumbering is clearly a willful neglect of duties. It is a shirking of the responsibility to be alert and on the watch. People slumbering ARE sinning and they ARE neglecting the warnings of the true prophets.
Ohh wait just one minute there Spectrum I didnt say it was good for them. Who told you that....satan and his deceivers?
I said God put a spirit of slumber on them to protect them from certain destruction, NOT SINNING! Dont get me wrong fella.....they are quite punished for their turning away from God.
These idiots dont realize that if they knew what the elect knew FOR the sounding of the 6th trumpet and rejected what the elect know theres no forgiveness for them.
Hope you can understand why theres an "elect" in the first place, but I'm not holding my breath......its already the home stretch of the 5th seal anyway.....its getting late Spectrum!

(By the way, its the knowledge of all 7 seals that the elect "obtain". This is why all the seals are broken before any trumpets are sounded.....read the latter part of Revelation if you dont beleive me!
The Bible has all 7 seals in writting. But you wouldnt know where to look for them as you dont know what you are reading. No different than you failing to point out where in the Bible its written about all three earth ages. The elect were chosen in the first earth age. They fought against lucifers revolt and earned their place. They are precious to God which they play a very important role in the not so distant coming future.
Oh and the elect are no different than anyone else....they sin and are punished accordingly. They are in the weak flesh as well, so no, they are not given special treatment other than their angel has the face of God so nothing tragic doesnt happen to them. They have a destination to fullfill)

God punishes the slumbering alright, but He certaintly doesnt want them destroyed, so a spirit of slumber is put upon them for their own preservation.
What more punishment is there than finding out your own creator put a spirit of slumber (ignorance) on you because your to damn stupid for your own existence?....what shame!
What the elect have "obtained" for the advent of the 6th trumpet, 6th seal, and the 6th vial is an "all in", "no going back", "point of no return", "stepping up to the plate" time.
THEY ARE HANDE PICKED BY GOD HIMSELF TO DO A SPECIFIC JOB.

Now you can ignore the fact that the passages you posted mentions the "elect" for your own fleshy intepretation at your risk Spectrum.
God gave you a gift of free will...........He doesnt need you....you need God!

[zap]

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-Commandments.htm
The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament
The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament
About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement:

"Love your neighbor as yourself." :confused:

[sirgonzo420]

Who tells Christians to be wise as a serpent?

Jesus.

[7th trump]

Jesus.
Hahahahaha!!!!!!
Love it Ganzo.....perfect!

[7th trump]

Anybody who wants to really know if Arnold Murray is a bad preacher....here decide for yourself.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/broadband.htm

Click on Mondays show and watch it yourself. Its about Paul being taken by God to witness the third earth age.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://cdn.head-fi.org/8/8a/8aad2dbf_Derailment.jpeg

[SLV^GLD]

Humility is seeing myself in my true relation to God and my fellow man.

From this perspective I see that I am in no position to judge any man nor understand the merits of his circumstances.

[undgrd]

Anybody who wants to really know if Arnold Murray is a bad preacher....here decide for yourself.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/broadband.htm

Click on Mondays show and watch it yourself. Its about Paul being taken by God to witness the third earth age.



Ok. I downloaded this show and listened to the first 30 minutes.

My impression of this guy is as follows. He's pompous and full of himself. He speaks as though no opinion/interpretation other than his is correct, or CAN be correct. I admire his conviction and dedication to what he believes but, I feel like given the chance, he'd throw stones at me if I disagreed with him about anything.


BTW. I find it ironic he's preaching about building people up and helping them in this sermon. Specifically because you've done nothing but rip dys to shreds with your posts.

Way to lead by example "Christian".

[horseshoe3]

Since this thread is already derailed, I thought I might post this link to a story about 2 neighbors fighting. One had a chainsaw, the other had a Samurai sword.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2138259/Neighbours-war-Bloody-chainsaw-battle-sees-mans-arm-severed--anothers-finger-chopped-SAMURAI-sword.html

[Glass]

Since this thread is already derailed, I thought I might post this link to a story about 2 neighbors fighting. One had a chainsaw, the other had a Samurai sword.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2138259/Neighbours-war-Bloody-chainsaw-battle-sees-mans-arm-severed--anothers-finger-chopped-SAMURAI-sword.html

From comments:

Chainsaw attacks are up 100% this year! Numbers like these indicate we need legislation to prevent an epidemic!
- Wes, Alaska, 02/5/2012 15:45
Everyones talking about the chainsaws. No one asks if they people are all right. Chainsaw beats samurai. Another thing I need to add to the list now.

[Old Herb Lady]

I have an obsession with nailguns & cordless drills, I keep them by my door. I don't know why ! Jehovah Witnesses hate me. :p

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/MustachedDean/Nailgun.jpg

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/ammoelf3/cordless-drill-374.jpg

[7th trump]

Ok. I downloaded this show and listened to the first 30 minutes.

My impression of this guy is as follows. He's pompous and full of himself. He speaks as though no opinion/interpretation other than his is correct, or CAN be correct. I admire his conviction and dedication to what he believes but, I feel like given the chance, he'd throw stones at me if I disagreed with him about anything.


BTW. I find it ironic he's preaching about building people up and helping them in this sermon. Specifically because you've done nothing but rip dys to shreds with your posts.

Way to lead by example "Christian".

You didnt even stop and think of what was being said did you......you have no faith whats so ever....30 minutes went right over your head didnt it. Your eyes must have been glazed over for that 30 minutes.....all you can think about was, in your opinion, how rude Arnold was.
Theres a passage where Christ, just before being captured, prayed to the Father asking if there was another way........(this wasnt about Him NOT being cruxified, it was about God pouring out His vial of anger)......God answered...NO!!!!!
It isnt going to be pretty for a lot of the world....Gods judgement is coming....and when Gods done pouring out His vial of anger you get a thousands years of christ ruling with a rod of iron.
Arnold doesnt pussy foot around when it comes to the seriousness of the Bible. Nor does Arnold add in anything outside the passages, so if Arnold is offensive then you are likely not on the right side of the tracks with God.

[undgrd]

You didnt even stop and think of what was being said did you......you have no faith whats so ever....30 minutes went right over your head didnt it. Your eyes must have been glazed over for that 30 minutes.....all you can think about was, in your opinion, how rude Arnold was.
Theres a passage where Christ, just before being captured, prayed to the Father asking if there was another way........(this wasnt about Him NOT being cruxified, it was about God pouring out His vial of anger)......God answered...NO!!!!!
It isnt going to be pretty for a lot of the world....Gods judgement is coming....and when Gods done pouring out His vial of anger you get a thousands years of christ ruling with a rod of iron.
Arnold doesnt pussy foot around when it comes to the seriousness of the Bible. Nor does Arnold add in anything outside the passages, so if Arnold is offensive then you are likely not on the right side of the tracks with God.

After listening to Arnold, your tone and attitude towards most here makes sense. You seem awfully vengful. I thought vengeance belonges to God?



Romans 12:19
Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

[joboo]

You didnt even stop and think of what was being said did you......you have no faith whats so ever....30 minutes went right over your head didnt it. Your eyes must have been glazed over for that 30 minutes.....all you can think about was, in your opinion, how rude Arnold was.
Theres a passage where Christ, just before being captured, prayed to the Father asking if there was another way........(this wasnt about Him NOT being cruxified, it was about God pouring out His vial of anger)......God answered...NO!!!!!
It isnt going to be pretty for a lot of the world....Gods judgement is coming....and when Gods done pouring out His vial of anger you get a thousands years of christ ruling with a rod of iron.
Arnold doesnt pussy foot around when it comes to the seriousness of the Bible. Nor does Arnold add in anything outside the passages, so if Arnold is offensive then you are likely not on the right side of the tracks with God.

I looked up irony, and your name came up. LOL. I guess we can call you "the judge". Too funny bro.

Highly religious people are less motivated by compassion than are non-believers (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/religionandgenerosity/)

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/religionandgenerosity/

[solid]

Chainsaw, machete used in Australian neighborhood dispute (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/australia-chainsaw-attack-machete-sydney)

This makes sense. A chainsaw seems like a poor choice of weapon. They are heavy, making them slow to move quickly. Requiring two hands, and if not careful can injure the person with it just as easily as the intended target. While deadly, indeed, I would think a sword would have the advantage, unless the attacker was the dude with the chainsaw.

[D sciple]

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

This actually is pretty interesting. We all know what revenge is, but what is venge?

I mean, are you quoting this to say we should bend over and take whatever? Well the answer has to be clearly no, because the very next verse tells us that we are to keep the statutes. (along with basically all of Deuteronomy)

In looking at the law, the proper recourse of action really is that OP has the right to slash this guy exactly as he was slashed. In a matter of physical offense (from what I gather) the punishment is eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth. Yes Jesus says that if you are slapped in the cheek, let that slide, but I don't think he's saying bend over and take whatever, and this is certainly more than a cheek slap.

Now someone may be thinking, "Oh judge not and you won't be judged", but this has to mean judgements that are outside of God's judgement*. For instance, today on a christian forum, someone said, "If a guy beats his wife, he should be shot". Now imo that would be making a judgement outside of God's judgement, as I can't recall coming across anything that would remotely appear to authorize that.

*Deut 1:17 ‘You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike. You shall not fear man, for the judgment is God’s...

[Glass]

This actually is pretty interesting. We all know what revenge is, but what is venge?

I mean, are you quoting this to say we should bend over and take whatever? Well the answer has to be clearly no, because the very next verse tells us that we are to keep the statutes. (along with basically all of Deuteronomy)

In looking at the law, the proper recourse of action really is that OP has the right to slash this guy exactly as he was slashed. In a matter of physical offense (from what I gather) the punishment is eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth. Yes Jesus says that if you are slapped in the cheek, let that slide, but I don't think he's saying bend over and take whatever, and this is certainly more than a cheek slap.

Now someone may be thinking, "Oh judge not and you won't be judged", but this has to mean judgements that are outside of God's judgement*. For instance, today on a christian forum, someone said, "If a guy beats his wife, he should be shot". Now imo that would be making a judgement outside of God's judgement, as I can't recall coming across anything that would remotely appear to authorize that.

*Deut 1:17 ‘You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike. You shall not fear man, for the judgment is God’s...

I think the remedy at LAW is to be made whole. That is the "punishment". Because some crimes result in outcomes where the victim cannot be made whole there is a problem. In the old days, if the injury was such that the victim could not be made whole, ie. the were murdered, then the perpetrator would likewise be "eye for an eye'd".

Now the modern way to remedy that is to use money as the tool for making good. The only trouble is that the victim is not made whole by the money but the owner of the person (society) is made whole by the money. The victim can lodge a claim for some portion of this which society may pay them, however it will be only a small portion of the amount. I suspect it is about 10%. It may be much mich less.

The person has no other claim. Now a Man has a claim under common law. He can call the perpetrator to his service until he is made good. There are no men, only persons, so there are no common law claims.

If a perpertrator cannot pay the required amount and none of them can because they do not know the amount, then they are incarcerated to "pay their debt to society". Society profits handsomely for this because the money made from bonding people and incarecerating them (warehousing the chattel) is very profitable.

Turning the other cheek refers to an ancient roman custom. A Roman legionaire may have a man in his service. He may be caused to strike his man servant for some reason. The man servant in order to be struck only once must turn his face so that the other cheek/side is now facing the legionaire. He may not be struck a second time. I repeat this from what I have read elsewhere, however I don't know of anything that supports this interpretation of showing the other cheek. Maybe someone else has a credible reference for it.

To me it's the same as render unto ceaser that which is ceasers. What exactly did ceaser give you and are you obliged to give something of greater value to ceaser that he gave you? I think not.

[Awoke]

Who tells Christians to be wise as a serpent? JesusHahahahaha!!!!!!
Love it Ganzo.....perfect!

Would either the ordained minister or the cultist show me the scripture please? I am having trouble finding it in my search (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=serpent&b=drb&t=2).

[sirgonzo420]

Would either the ordained minister or the cultist show me the scripture please? I am having trouble finding it in my search (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=serpent&b=drb&t=2).

Ask and ye shall receive!


Matthew 10:16


Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

[Awoke]

Arrgh. That's frustrating. It never showed in my search because I didn't have the S on the end. Thanks Gonzo.
I knew it sounded familiar, but couldn't find it.

[sirgonzo420]

Arrgh. That's frustrating. It never showed in my search because I didn't have the S on the end. Thanks Gonzo.
I knew it sounded familiar, but couldn't find it.


The word "serpent" doesn't necessarily connote a "snake"... for example, in the old testament the hebrew word "nachash" נָחָשׁ is:
Definition

to practice divination, divine, observe signs, learn by experience, diligently observe, practice fortunetelling, take as an omen

(Piel)

to practice divination
to observe the signs or omens






King James Word Usage - Total: 11enchantment 4, divine 2, enchanter 1, indeed 1, certainly 1, learn by experience 1, diligently observe 1from http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/nachash.html

Now in the greek, I think it's a bit different, but there is still an association of the "serpent" with knowledge/wisdom/cunning/enchantment/etc.

[Awoke]

New Testament was in Greek, no?

[sirgonzo420]

New Testament was in Greek, no?

Yes, so "ophis" is the word for "serpent" I believe.

However, the point I was making is that "serpent" doesn't mean (or at least, doesn't *just* mean) a snake like a copperhead or a python or a cobra, but a cunning, wise, shaman-like archetype.

Here's another instance where Christ makes a positive reference to the serpent ,which is also in the Greek New Testament:


In the Gospel of John (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John) 3:14–15, Jesus makes direct comparison between the raising up of the Son of Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Man) and the act of Moses in raising up the serpent as a sign, using it as a symbol associated with salvation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation): "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Man) be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_life_%28Christianity%29)". from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)

[dys]

Some of my earliest memories are of getting angry with my mother. I'd be playing hard for a long time, then I'd burst out crying for no good reason. My mother would say "you are tired" in the sweetest way. It infuriated me; I did not believe at the time that I was tired at all. These memories are very strong, it's like they happened yesterday and I can vividly recall the raw fury I felt towards my mother during those times.
So, you see, it is a natural human response to become angry at the person delivering the message when one isn't capable of accepting that message...no matter how the message is delivered. Or maybe even an inverse correlation between how the message is delivered and the amount of anger the message engenders. And the thing is, some of the people that get angry are actually GOOD people. As such, the cycle has kind of worked like this for me:

1. I take offense and/or indict the character of the person for not accepting the message (how could he/she be so irrational and bullheaded? it's OBVIOUS to any reasonable person, etc).
2. It's the RESPONSE to the information that offends me. They take offense at the information (because they aren't capable of accepting it) and say or do something outrageous out of anger; in turn, I become offended and/or indict their character.
3. I don't take offense and/or indict the character of the person for not accepting the message OR for inappropriate responses to the message.

It's so easy for things to get out of control, and quickly. Person A is privy to certain information and can prove it with facts, evidence, and logic. Person B isn't emotionally capable of accepting the information as truth. Person A provides cool headed facts, evidence, and logic that is irrefutable. Person B becomes offended and says or does something outrageous out of anger in response. Person A becomes infuriated at the inprovoked attack and responds in kind. Person B then responds the response, not even aware that they did anything wrong at the start....

dys

[Glass]

Yes, so "ophis" is the word for "serpent" I believe.

However, the point I was making is that "serpent" doesn't mean (or at least, doesn't *just* mean) a snake like a copperhead or a python or a cobra, but a cunning, wise, shaman-like archetype.

Here's another instance where Christ makes a positive reference to the serpent ,which is also in the Greek New Testament:

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)

Here's another one: White man speak with forked tounge.

[dys]

Well guys, it's over. It turns out that my former friend refused to drop the charges, amazingly, even after several of my friends pleaded with him to do so. The day of the trial, the judge was 5 minutes away from dismissing the charges because he had failed to show. Of course he walked in at the last second. When he showed up, the prosecuting attorney offered me the following deal:

1. They agreed to drop the felony charge.
2. The misdemeanor was to be dropped as long as I pay his medical expenses (around 3k).

I really WANTED to go to trial...badly. But with a family and small child to raise, I just couldn't take the chance of something crazy happening at trial and me losing, which would result in a felony on my record and most likely, a prison sentence.

The judge almost threw the whole thing out anyway. Looking through the photos in the file, she started to lecture me about using a machete in a fight. Me: "Your honor, may I say something? It was the alleged victim that used the machete, not me." The reaction was priceless. The judge actually told the prosecuting attorney that she should consider reading miranda rights to the alleged 'victim'. I made a motion to dismiss the whole thing, and she heard me on it. She debated for a very long time, but eventually decided that she couldn't drop it without my paying the money. At some point I'm going to post the photos of this weapon, it was 23 inches long and the blade is 2-3 inches thick. Truly I am lucky to be alive, even if 3k lighter as a result.

God bless all, sorry I haven't been around for awhile. Been pressing into the word.

dys

[chad]

Well guys, it's over. It turns out that my former friend refused to drop the charges, amazingly, even after several of my friends pleaded with him to do so. The day of the trial, the judge was 5 minutes away from dismissing the charges because he had failed to show. Of course he walked in at the last second. When he showed up, the prosecuting attorney offered me the following deal:

1. They agreed to drop the felony charge.
2. The misdemeanor was to be dropped as long as I pay his medical expenses (around 3k).

I really WANTED to go to trial...badly. But with a family and small child to raise, I just couldn't take the chance of something crazy happening at trial and me losing, which would result in a felony on my record and most likely, a prison sentence.

The judge almost threw the whole thing out anyway. Looking through the photos in the file, she started to lecture me about using a machete in a fight. Me: "Your honor, may I say something? It was the alleged victim that used the machete, not me." The reaction was priceless. The judge actually told the prosecuting attorney that she should consider reading miranda rights to the alleged 'victim'. I made a motion to dismiss the whole thing, and she heard me on it. She debated for a very long time, but eventually decided that she couldn't drop it without my paying the money. At some point I'm going to post the photos of this weapon, it was 23 inches long and the blade is 2-3 inches thick. Truly I am lucky to be alive, even if 3k lighter as a result.

God bless all, sorry I haven't been around for awhile. Been pressing into the word.

dys

that you got off without being charged with a felony is a gift. we all know how corrupt the legal system is, i'd say thank your lucky stars. glad you got out of this without a smear on you.

[Libertytree]

Damn dude, at least you're not in the pokey.

Thanks for the update, I've wondered how you were doing.

[EE_]

That sucks you had to pay $3,000...what the hell were his damages to cost that much?
Do you still get a record for domestic violence?

[dys]

That sucks you had to pay $3,000...what the hell were his damages to cost that much?
Do you still get a record for domestic violence?

No record, all charges dropped upon payment. The 3k are the medical expenses not covered by insurance. It includes replacing broken glasses (around 800 bucks), which jacked up the cost substantially.

dys

[EE_]

No record, all charges dropped upon payment. The 3k are the medical expenses not covered by insurance. It includes replacing broken glasses (around 800 bucks), which jacked up the cost substantially.

dys

Glad to hear there's no record

[Horn]

She debated for a very long time, but eventually decided that she couldn't drop it without my paying the money.

Must've been some lawyers money in there.

[mamboni]

Considering the crazy shit that can happen these days vis-a-vis the law and the courts, consider yourself lucky to get off cheap. In the long run $3000 is nothing and you'll soon forget about it. In the future, avoid crazy and unstable people. It isn't woth getting into an argument or a fight with anyone today: the legal downside risks are just too great in today's high surveillance legal-minefield system.

[osoab]

Glad to see that you will not be getting jailed dys.

I do have a question. Are your mutual friends going to hang with the dude now? If so, drop them like a hot potato.

[Santa]

Glad to hear that you're not in jail, dys. I was kinda worried about you.
Courts are commercial revenuers. Give them this...$... and they'll let you go about your business.

[iOWNme]

No record, all charges dropped upon payment. The 3k are the medical expenses not covered by insurance. It includes replacing broken glasses (around 800 bucks), which jacked up the cost substantially.

dys

I would turn around ane 'sue' your 'friend' for civil damages........Karma is a bitch!!!!

[freespirit]

thanks for updating us, Dys...

glad you came through it relatively unscathed.

God bless!

[Twisted Titan]

Courts are commercial revenuers. Give them this...$... and they'll let you go about your business.

nominated for post of the month.

Thats exactly why the judge would not let you go. In that 3 grand is a nice piece of fluff going to the courts.

i will lay good money prick face wont even get a 3rd of the booty

but he will have to slay that dragon himself.

money had through ill gotten means never pays off

[dys]

Glad to see that you will not be getting jailed dys.

I do have a question. Are your mutual friends going to hang with the dude now? If so, drop them like a hot potato.

The great news is that after those pictures of the weapon came out, anyone that was formerly on his side- whether friends or family- have overwhelmingly supported me. The price that this guy is going to pay for his actions is the disdain and shunning of mutual friends; it has already started to happen.

dys

[undgrd]

Just watch your back dys. Crazy doesn't quit because a judge ordered it to.

[madfranks]

Wow, dys what a story. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if you took it to trial. The judge was clearly blindsided by the fact that it was the "victim" who attacked you with the machete. I bet you would have found sympathy with the judge and won your case. However, I agree that the risk of prison time and a felony record is too risky a gamble, but I just can't help but wonder...

[dys]

When I went to go pay this off, the court had added 600 bucks in fees.

dys

[freespirit]

When I went to go pay this off, the court had added 600 bucks in fees.

dys

dude, that sucks BIG TIME! talk about insult to injury!!

[Glass]

Everyone has to contribute to the judges court fund. Maybe to the policemans ball as well.... .. not sure about that one, but the court fund is usually the one. It's the retirement fund for the judges.