Who kills who in this country? Want to look at the statistcs?

[General of Darkness]

Tucker Carlson partially agreed, saying, “The one thing you learn in covering specific crimes is you really don’t know as much as you think you do. It always changes, and so for people to weigh in, for professional race baiters […] and the president himself to weigh in and make this a simple parable about white racism is very foolish.” He continued saying, “It may not turn out to bolster that accusation, for one. And for another, do you really want to have a conversation about who kills who in this country? Want to look at the statistics?”

Ahhhhh hell no, no he didn't, we don't want to see the facts.

This is great.

Video at link.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/28/tucker-carlson-and-alan-colmes-have-heated-debate-over-whether-lawmakers-are-jumping-to-conclusions-and-making-trayvon-martin-case-about-race/

[Uncle Salty]

Tucker Carlson partially agreed, saying, “The one thing you learn in covering specific crimes is you really don’t know as much as you think you do. It always changes, and so for people to weigh in, for professional race baiters […] and the president himself to weigh in and make this a simple parable about white racism is very foolish.” He continued saying, “It may not turn out to bolster that accusation, for one. And for another, do you really want to have a conversation about who kills who in this country? Want to look at the statistics?”

Ahhhhh hell no, no he didn't, we don't want to see the facts.

This is great.

Video at link.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/28/tucker-carlson-and-alan-colmes-have-heated-debate-over-whether-lawmakers-are-jumping-to-conclusions-and-making-trayvon-martin-case-about-race/

Blacks murder at about a 7:1 rate compared to whites. That might even be low.

[gunDriller]

Blacks murder at about a 7:1 rate compared to whites. That might even be low.

Jews murder at a 25:1 rate compared to Gentiles*. That might even be low.


* excepting blacks. need more stats to make that comparison.

[muffin]

Colmes disagreed, saying, “Tucker, if a white boy had been shot and a white president said, ‘That could have been my son,’ nobody would have said a word about it.” Colmes argued that the president struck the right tone and wasn’t playing the race card at all.

i call BS! if a white president had said that about a white kid, you better believe your honky ass jesse jackson or one of the other idiots would have something to say about it!! i am so ready for this thing to blow over....

[PlatinumBlonde]

i call BS! if a white president had said that about a white kid, you better believe your honky ass jesse jackson or one of the other idiots would have something to say about it!! i am so ready for this thing to blow over....

This whole is not designed to blow over. They want it to play out. So pick your side and take your stand.

I for one am completely feed up and I think we need to seriously talk about segregation again..

[muffin]

This whole is not designed to blow over. They want it to play out. So pick your side and take your stand.
yeah, that's what i figured.

[D sciple]

Yes, if anyone has stats I can link to that would be great. It'll give me a little ammo for other forums.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Just saw a piece about an Asian store owner shot to death by 4 negroes in a robbery in Victorville, CA all caught on camera..

[PlatinumBlonde]

Yes, if anyone has stats I can link to that would be great. It'll give me a little ammo for other forums.

Look up Bob and Nancy Straight, the student in Mississippi that got shot in his dorm and kid doused in gasoline and then set on fire in Kansas City. All of these events are very recent..

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Here's a statistic:

From 1976 to 2005 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/ovrace.png

[Shami-Amourae]

I don't get why they keep doing this shit. Most white people AREN'T racist, and are TERRIFIED of being called racist. This is the perfect setup for Non-Whites to exploit White people, but no, they want MORE and MORE. White people are going to actually become actually RACIST if these morons keep this shit up.

[Horn]

This whole is not designed to blow over.

Yes, and you're fitting the patterned mold perfectly.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Care to extrapolate?

[Eyebone]

Is there anybody here that doesn't believe we are in the midst of a race war right now?

[PlatinumBlonde]

I don't get why they keep doing this shit. Most white people AREN'T racist, and are TERRIFIED of being called racist. This is the perfect setup for Non-Whites to exploit White people, but no, they want MORE and MORE. White people are going to actually become actually RACIST if these morons keep this shit up.

The term 'racism' has lost it's currency..

[PlatinumBlonde]

Is there anybody here that doesn't believe we are in the midst of a race war right now?

I think we've been in a low intensity race war for some time now..

[nunaem]

Yes, if anyone has stats I can link to that would be great. It'll give me a little ammo for other forums.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/color-of-crime-sound-of-big-media-silence


Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.


The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.


Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.


And yes, everyone's suspicions about rape are correct: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.

[nunaem]

Yes, and you're fitting the patterned mold perfectly.

Yes, their goal is to divide and conquer. Or better put, diversify and conquer. Diversity is a strength, you know... their strength. But you can't avoid race-based division by pretending it doesn't exist. The only way to avoid race-based division is by avoiding diversity.

[Horn]

Care to extrapolate?

Globalist governors pass racial hate crime laws to segregate, and racial employment quotas to integrate.

Just so you're left as play-dough is all that really matters.

[Shami-Amourae]

My generation is terrified of being called racist. Like I remember when I had to take the Multi-Cultural class in college, the only ones who seemed to understand WTF was going on was me and an Asian kid. All the White people besides me overtly hated White people and were ashamed for being White. 90% of the time we talked about how White people were the cause of all the problems in the world, we were graded on this shit too. It wasn't subtle or anything, they overtly were saying "IT DA YT!!! UKNOWWATIMSAYIN?"

My generation is almost completely neutered from what's I've seen, but then again I live in the Peoples Republic of California, so what do I know?

They showed this in class, and it sums up what they "taught".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rbfh5oM3EQ

[mick silver]

they have a pill for this now ... i seen it on here . just wait till they make white folks take the pill . dam i am laughing so hard i broke a rib

[Eyebone]

We are out numbered by 90 to one, the "Golden Minority" better learn quickly.

[muffin]

we're all racist. i don't care what you say. everyone has it in them....

that video is crap. if you don't like your environment, change it.

[Spectrism]

Don't call me racist because I have no respect for dumbshits.

If you call me racist, you must be the dumbshit.

[osoab]

I don't get why they keep doing this shit. Most white people AREN'T racist, and are TERRIFIED of being called racist. This is the perfect setup for Non-Whites to exploit White people, but no, they want MORE and MORE. White people are going to actually become actually RACIST if these morons keep this shit up.

They are laying a guilt trip to get Obummer back in office. You know, he's "flexible".



edit to add...


I find it odd that Obummer and none of the past oval office seat occupiers have ever looked at one of the kids they send off to die and say "That could have been my son (or daughter)".
It's telling that the sheep fall for the schtick. I also don't think Obummer said anything about the kids on the south side of chicago being on of his when they had their nice shootem up weekend.

[Horn]

we're all racist. i don't care what you say. everyone has it in them....

that video is crap. if you don't like your environment, change it.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q4kwu6MOQM

[muffin]

Don't call me racist because I have no respect for dumbshits.

If you call me racist, you must be the dumbshit.

a bit touchy?

edit: i guess i didn't mean to call everyone a racist, per se. just that we all have it in us to be judgmental. we all have that meanness in us.

dumbshit is pretty harsh.

[Spectrism]

a bit touchy?

edit: i guess i didn't mean to call everyone a racist, per se. just that we all have it in us to be judgmental. we all have that meanness in us.

dumbshit is pretty harsh.


Comments are rhetorical... not directed at anyone in this thread. It is a state of mind... not an argument. More like a T-shirt broadcast.

But.... if you feel like a dumbshit... LOL... don't let me stop you.

[muffin]

Comments are rhetorical... not directed at anyone in this thread. It is a state of mind... not an argument. More like a T-shirt broadcast.

But.... if you feel like a dumbshit... LOL... don't let me stop you.
no i don't feel like one. i feel like you called me one. i am not a dumbshit. i may be ignorant to some things but i'm not dumb.

[zap]

Definition of RACISM

A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

[Awoke]

I am in a tough spot. I do my best to quelch any inklings of racism I find lurking inside me, but for me it's easy, because the area I live is a majority-white area. But if I go Downtown Toronto, or Brampton, or wherever, I am a minority. Now, I'm not a "tough guy", but I am experienced in streetfighting and brawling, and have a lifetime of martial arts behind me. I am confident. But when I walk down a street in toronto, I see lebanese kids, or other middle eastern kids, or blacks, etc, who do the alpha-male stare-down routine.

I don't engage in the eye-to-eye staring competitions, because even though I am a good fighter, I am also an honourable and clean fighter. When I see these kids who have gone through who-knows-what, from all different (and brutal) corners of the earth, I choose to ignore them. They exude an air of confrontationalism, and who knows what they are packing under their shirt.

So it's easy for me to sit back and say "I'm not racist", but if I was smack-dab in the middle of LA or NY or some other major metropolis that was completely overrun with violent immigrants, I think I would quickly become a racist M-F'er. In a hurry. That's why I don't come down on people that speak hurtfully or hatefully about other races, because I am not in their position; I can't tell them how to think or what to think.

In my heart, I believe that we are all Gods creation, and we are all equal. Unfortunately, we have our floodgates open and people are coming in from all over the world who are not built from the same moral fibres that you and I are built from. How they conduct themselves is the all-telling feature.


I think we've been in a low intensity race war for some time now..

It's engineered. Trumped up. Stoked. The Khazars want us to kill each other.

[zap]

I agree Awoke,

I am mostly around white people, Oh theres' lots of Mexicans around here in Ca. but they don't bother me much. But I'm not in the big city either, I'm sure I'd feel different too.

[Horn]

Awoke, they're staring because you stick out like a sore thumb.

Look'em in the eye you'll see them look away.

Just make sure U have a switchblade or a expandable beater on you at the time. :)

Confrontations come from the the loudmouth ones in my experience, the staring type are alright.

Now if you run into a loudmouth joker, I'd look the otherway.

[millwright]

I am in a tough spot. I do my best to quelch any inklings of racism I find lurking inside me, but for me it's easy, because the area I live is a majority-white area. But if I go Downtown Toronto, or Brampton, or wherever, I am a minority. Now, I'm not a "tough guy", but I am experienced in streetfighting and brawling, and have a lifetime of martial arts behind me. I am confident. But when I walk down a street in toronto, I see lebanese kids, or other middle eastern kids, or blacks, etc, who do the alpha-male stare-down routine.

I don't engage in the eye-to-eye staring competitions, because even though I am a good fighter, I am also an honourable and clean fighter. When I see these kids who have gone through who-knows-what, from all different (and brutal) corners of the earth, I choose to ignore them. They exude an air of confrontationalism, and who knows what they are packing under their shirt.

So it's easy for me to sit back and say "I'm not racist", but if I was smack-dab in the middle of LA or NY or some other major metropolis that was completely overrun with violent immigrants, I think I would quickly become a racist M-F'er. In a hurry. That's why I don't come down on people that speak hurtfully or hatefully about other races, because I am not in their position; I can't tell them how to think or what to think.

In my heart, I believe that we are all Gods creation, and we are all equal. Unfortunately, we have our floodgates open and people are coming in from all over the world who are not built from the same moral fibres that you and I are built from. How they conduct themselves is the all-telling feature.



It's engineered. Trumped up. Stoked. The Khazars want us to kill each other.

Yes yes exactly right. While we are at each others throats , they are eating Filet Mignon and drinking the worlds finest.

That being said, in my opinion we are most definitely not all equal. For the most part, I find myself craving solitude to the point of being hell bent on it. Why ? Because most of my fellow man are absolute fuc*ing morons and i am allergic to them. I am nothing special, but in direct comparison to the majority of human beings on this planet I AM A FUC*ING GENIUS ! Especially when compared to your average black or hispanic.

[Awoke]

Don't misunderstand me, if there is an issue and I need to enter into the alpha stare, I do, and typically win, but what I am saying is that I am almost 40, and these kids are typically teenages, etc. I just don't bother, but I am casual about it. It's like disarming their agression without them really knowing it.

It's frigging weird. I attrack alpha stares everywhere I go. I don't look assuming or scary or anything, but for some reason, alpha- dominants zero in on me regularily. Strange.

Anyways, I do what I need to when I need to, but if I am just walking down the street and I see a group of them up ahead, I will typically just talk regular conversation with whoever I am with at the time, and ignore the group completely.

[Awoke]

LOL Millwright. Good post.

[woodman]

Try working in Flint or Detroit for a while and then tell me you all are not racist. I have a problem with people who have a problem with me because I am white. I am a racist because they are infinitely more racist. They leave me no choice. I am honest about what I am. I take people on an individual basis but I am smart enough to be honest and know that I am hated because I am a white man. They have spent their life hating me and feeling that I am responsible for their shortcomings. Tell me, when you are being confronted constantly, that you feel warm and fuzzy about blacks. Quit lying to yourselves and wake the fuck up. These people are going to rape and murder us until none of us are left. They are just waiting until they are numerous enough to finally lose their fear. Rawanda any one?

[General of Darkness]

Here's a perfect example of racism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTbnzyGyyc

[Horn]

It's frigging weird. I attrack alpha stares everywhere I go. I don't look assuming or scary or anything, but for some reason, alpha- dominants zero in on me regularily. Strange.

Know what you're talking about... I guess different defensive tactics work for different people.

Have to consider the alpha is a primitive creature, this means he will only respond to equal to, not less than, or greater than.

Just trying to think why I never have any issue with the "lookers"... (Watch I'll probably end up looking at someone the wrong way in next couple days, LOL)

[Awoke]

Try working in Flint or Detroit for a while and then tell me you all are not racist. I have a problem with people who have a problem with me because I am white. I am a racist because they are infinitely more racist. They leave me no choice. I am honest about what I am. I take people on an individual basis but I am smart enough to be honest and know that I am hated because I am a white man. They have spent their life hating me and feeling that I am responsible for their shortcomings. Tell me, when you are being confronted constantly, that you feel warm and fuzzy about blacks. Quit lying to yourselves and wake the fuck up. These people are going to rape and murder us until none of us are left. They are just waiting until they are numerous enough to finally lose their fear. Rawanda any one?

I hear you brother, and I get it. That's what I am saying. I am not in that element, and I don't have to deal with that shit. Thankfully. (yet)

I in fact couldn't and wouldn't deal with that shit. I would be leaving that area asap, no if's, and's, or but's. I recognise that I am sheltered from being hated for being white. I also recognise that you and others are not. I guess what I am trying to say is, I am not racist, but I certainly understand how some people are.

[joboo]

I think we've been in a low intensity race war for some time now..

Since OJ, or earlier?

[solid]

It's frigging weird. I attrack alpha stares everywhere I go. I don't look assuming or scary or anything, but for some reason, alpha- dominants zero in on me regularily. Strange.

A lot of these guys are predators. They see people as either other predators, or prey, that's it. By zeroing in on you, they see you as another predator. A competitor, to their prey.

It takes one to recognize one, so to speak.

The times this has happened to me...I've learned to ignore the stares, and look away, is submissive. This makes you a target. Yet, to stare back is to challenge them. What has worked for me, is to look them in the eye and acknowledge them. Let them know, you know, they are looking at you.

Life in the cities, what a world it's become.

[woodman]

Interesting to note: When working on an all black school near Saginaw, the younger guys on the crew mentioned that if they nodded to the students, the only thing they would get back was an upper nod. In other words, if you tip your head downward, as I usually do when aknowledging someone, they would tip their head up in an air of superiority. The guys also mentioned that if they tipped their head upward instead of the usual downward tip, the animals would become visibly disturbed.

They have a deep seated inferiority complex and the only way they can deal with it is to feign superiority, bringing with it hatred and contempt.

[Spectrism]

Interesting to note: When working on an all black school near Saginaw, the younger guys on the crew mentioned that if they nodded to the students, the only thing they would get back was an upper nod. In other words, if you tip your head downward, as I usually do when aknowledging someone, they would tip their head up in an air of superiority. The guys also mentioned that if they tipped their head upward instead of the usual downward tip, the animals would become visibly disturbed.

They have a deep seated inferiority complex and the only way they can deal with it is to feign superiority, bringing with it hatred and contempt.

Interesting observations. Matches what I have seen. The sad part is that I have met some really decent black people who do not play that game, but are lumped into the stereotype wrongly. I guess the same can be said about the whole human race. Too many trash people and too few honorable.

[woodman]

I agree, there are many fine black people. That is what is really sad. It doesn't matter because the rest of them ruin the whole equation. I am unable to live in a free and unmolested manner around them because to many of them I am a target and will be constantly confronted. I feel a palpable smog of resentment when I am functioning in their territory.

[woodman]

The sad part is that I have met some really decent black people who do not play that game, but are lumped into the stereotype wrongly.

It is usefull to keep in mind just what a stereotype is. I stereotype certain snakes with rattles on their tails as being dangerous and undesirable to picnic near. This does not mean all rattlesnakes are a danger, only those that are roused to defense. We make stereotypes as a matter of survival and there is nothing wrong with stereotyping unless we do it with zero distinction to the quality of an individual of the set. It is only if we let ourselves be totally blinded by our pre-conceptions that we lessen ourselves.

[muffin]

most the time i've been dissapointed in people. i want to give them the benefit of the doubt. i try to look past the stereotype. mouse and i are 2 different people. he almost always puts his guard up immediately. guily until proven innocent. i guess you could say, i tend to be naive. i want to believe that most people are good and that they won't do anything to hurt me. lately tho, i've been dissapointed. after a while, they end up being the epitome of that stereotype that i tried not to label them with. it's happened with white, mexican, black, asian, etc.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Since OJ, or earlier?

Before OJ. When they integrated the public schools is when it began..

[still afloat]

I'm not a racist , at least I don't think I am by my definition.
I dislike / hate members of all races for the same reasons, I could care less if it was a white , black .etc person that does a stupid / offensive action or spoken comment.
I feel that 100% of every race has the ability to do or say something at some time to gain dislike , hate .etc from me but until the individual crosses that line those feelings are not there . If or when the time comes the line is crossed the reaction / feeling is toward the person ,not toward an entire race.
Some on this board could be the biggest racists on the planet but unless a poster has professed their race at some time then any discontent / hate toward other posters is based upon actions and comments not solely upon race in the same way that racist may agree with , respect .etc someone of a race they hate because they can't see the color of their skin. So they too like , dislike , hate based on the individual and not just by a race. I won't single out anyone but there are several posters that lead the group in educating and informing everyone here .I would like to hope that if someday they suddenly professed that they were of xxxxxxxx race that no one here would turn their backs on or suddenly disregard all they have brought before us here just because the say they are of a certain color , be it white , black , red .etc .
Sorry , just thinking out loud.

[undgrd]

I've also noticed the same things others here have mentioned. I tend to respond a little different from others there. When the stare comes, I look 'em right in the eye and say "What's up?" or "How's it goin'?" in a non threatening manner, as I walk by. Seems to throw them off. Any thought of me being prey is gone at that point. They either look away, or respond in kind. Both of us continue on our way. I still have my eye on them until I'm far enough away.

NOT putting your head down while walking is important. These folks are perceived to be stupid. DO NOT make that mistake. They DO have a skill set...it's just not one most of us are familiar with.

[undgrd]

This was originally posted on AR15.com. I'm block at work but I think this is a good link.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1285487_Street_robberis_and_you___The_Basics.html


Background

First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.


The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.

No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.

He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.

This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.


Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.

Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.

We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. Fuck their own momma.

We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.

That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.

The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.

One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.

I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".


You

Chances are good you are a law abiding person except for maybe a little light weed smoking and maybe driving a little drunk every once in a while. Most of your life you have been taught to be nice and don't point guns at people. You are the exact opposite of your enemy who was taught just the opposite. Remember a lot of street life is like prison life. Who's the man is everything. Violence is the currency of the street.

You do not possess total disregard for the lives of others and do not want to kill anyone. You are concerned about the ramifications of shooting someone. Your family, your possessions and finances on the line. Your enemy has none of these concerns.

The laws that keep you from carrying your gun in bars or where ever mean nothing to your enemy. Your reluctance to shoot someone works to is advantage. His greater experience in street violence and the element of surprise is on his side.

Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That's right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.

You can probably find it on line now. A lot of the victim Officers were a lot like a lot of other people, normal people. They were the opposite of their enemy.

Am I advocating becoming the enemy? No. I am saying the person who is robbing you has certain traits, attitudes, and background. That is all.


Dynamics of Encounters

Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them. The time between when you are targeted and they are on you isn't long. Therefore, situational awareness is everything.

If you see G coming you are in good shape. If you don't you will be the victim who says "He came out of nowhere". No he didn't. There are many tricks to watching out but simply watching your back is the main thing. Watch your back. If you do it enough it becomes second nature and you won't even realize you are doing it.

Watching out is great but unfortunately many self defense courses stop there. You have parked you car in a well lit area, are aware of your surroundings, and looky here, here comes three guys across the parking lot and they start to kind of fan out.

When you lock eyes with G the very first thing you need to do it indicate you have a weapon. It doesn't matter if you do or not. If you are a woman put your gun hand in your purse and keep it there. If you are a man fan your shirt or coat tail with your gun hand. Make it clear to dude you are mentally prepared to draw and making sure your gun is clear. This will many times result in an about face by dude. It is the single best robbery avoidance tactic IMHO.

Not long ago I was walking down the sidewalk in my town to go get my car. I was holding a folding chair in my gun hand. A car slow rolled past me with 4 heads in it. The guys in the back seat turned around as they went by looking at me. They went a little farther and U turned in the street.

Here they come back. As they started to slow down I looked at them with as contemptuous a look as I could muster and switched the chair to my left hand and flicked my shirt tail with my right hand. They just drove on mad dogging me.

In another case I was at a Christmas party and walked a girl to her car about 3 am. As we said our good-byes two guys were walking across the parking lot. One went behind a dumpster. I though he was peeing. He came out from behind the dumpster with a bottle.

As they got closer I stepped clear of that girl and unzipped my jacket at those two guys. When I did the guy threw down the bottle and they walked by cussing at me. If someone challenges you after you indicate you are armed say "I don't have a gun". Then they will know you do.

Here is an opposite story. A girl my brother knows was walking her dog when a guy approached her. She was polite. Mistake. He talked to her about the dog and said she had pretty hair and reached out and touched her hair. She did not slap his hand down or aggressively object. Mistake. He asked her if her dog bit and she said "No". At that time he slapped the shit out of her, drug her into a wooded area, and raped her.

The answer in the street is always "No". Can I ask you something? No. Do you have a cigarette? No. Can you tell me what time it is? No. The answer is always "No". Don't be nice. Stop the encounter as soon as it starts.


When to draw

Despite warnings I often see on the Net I have yet to encounter an instance in which a hold up man called the police to report his intended victim threatened to shoot him. Thugs do not want to come into contact with the police. They may already be wanted or realize chances are good they have been identified in a recent robbery. Or what ever. They are not going to call the police if you draw on them.



Supposed two guys are approaching you in a parking lot and do the classic fan out maneuver. You indicate you have a weapon by clearing your gun hand and fanning your jacket at them. They are not discouraged. DRAW!

I am not saying you should pull your gun out, assume a Weaver stance, and scream "That's close enough motherfuckers!" What I am saying is draw your gun and hold it beside your leg as you start to move to cover. I am very fond of telephone poles. Anything will do though. They will see this. They will remember they have to be somewhere else. They will not call the police.

Then you can just put your gun back in the holster and go back to whatever you were doing like nothing happened. Why? Because nothing did happen. A happening is when shots are fired.

Do not hesitate to draw. If you are somewhere you are supposed to be and someone appears who is not supposed to be there like a closed business show him the end of your gun. Could it be Mother Teresa looking for her lost cat behind your closed business? No it is some motherfucker up to no good. He won't call the police to report he was prowling a location when a guy ran him off.


When to shoot

The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon. You are not a police man who has to try to arrest the guy. No need to scream at him. No exposure while you yell for him to drop the gun.

In deer hunting the experienced hunter takes the first good shot. May not be the perfect shot but it never is. Novices pass up a doable shot waiting for a better shot and then the deer is gone. Take the first good shot you are offered. Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot.

If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all. I have known more than one person who was shot and received life changing injuries and also shot their attacker. Their only regret was not shooting sooner. Like Bill Jordan said "Nothing disturbs your enemy's aim like a slug delivered to the belt buckle area".


Guns and weapons

The handgun is the best weapon you can carry easily. I understand it is not always possible to have one due to laws, restrictions, whatever. I am not telling anyone to disregard laws about carrying weapons. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with. I will say there is no substitute for a pistol when you need one.


Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a damn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you.

Types of guns and ammo are always debated and probably always will be. I have seen people shot with all common calibers. My conclusion is if you hit someone between the collar bone and the tip of their ribs three times with anything, they are handled. Bigger is better but something is better than nothing. Get your front sight on his shirt and stay on him as long as he is standing with whatever gun you have.

Just have a gun with sure fire ammo. Draw early and fire immediately upon seeing his weapon. That course of action is about all you can do to up your odds of ending things favorably. Guns like the Ruger LC9, SIG 239, Glock 26/27 are examples of guns small enough to carry but with enough power and capacity to be useful. Do not be afraid to use a French Lebelle if that is the only gun you have. A gun is a gun. I like a Glock 19.


Training

We all want the best training. It can be expensive if you are having to pay for it and it can be hard to find the time to do it. There is a whole lot of BS out there. What can you do? First, pistol handling is not rocket surgery. If you will learn the basics and practice on your own you can be fine. Smooth draw, quick pairs, reload. If you know those things well you can be OK.

I know a young man who shot down two hold up men in 2010 at very close range while he and his GF were walking home from the store. He in Wyatt Earp like fashion ignored the fire coming from the gunman and killed him and wounded his accomplice. He nor his GF were injured. He like many was willing to give them the money until he picked up on nonverbal cues that because of his GF they were not quite satisfied with the money. He had a Glock 27.

He had only the most basic of training in gun handling but did do some draws and some dry fire a couple times a week and live fired maybe once a month. That basic skill combined with knowing what to do was enough. He shot at the first possible moment despite having let the guys get the drop on them. When the gunman turned his head because a car drove by that was the opening. A split second is a long time sometimes.

Work on some one hand shooting at close range. That is a skill not as popular as it once was and you want to use two hands when you can. Often you can find yourself doing something with your off hand though so be able to shoot with one hand out to 5 yards or so.


After

If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire. I know there are bad police out there in some parts of the country who don't support self defense. I can't help you with that.

Do not talk to them until you have your attorney present. Now most young guys don't have an attorney on retainer and you may have no idea who to call. That is OK. You will figure it out but in the mean time don't talk about what happened other than to say you were forced to fire. You don't have to be an asshole just remember wait for your attorney.

Hopefully you will not give a statement for a couple days. Remember if you are put in jail that doesn't mean you are charged. Most places can hold you 48 or 72 hours on a felony before charging you or letting you go. Breath deep and get an attorney.

Expect to never get your gun back. You may get it back one day but maybe not. Do not buy expensive guns for the street. Buy yourself a nice sporting gun if you want a nice gun. Keep your street guns basic. The factory Model 10 Smith and the GI 45 have done a lot of work over the years and aren't fancy.


Worlds

We all live in different worlds. My world is filled with felons and gang members. Violence is common place. No one would be surprised if one of their friends called and said they shot a hold up man at a place of business or parking lot. In the past when I made calls the fact that the guy who is beating his GF is also on parole for 2nd degree murder flavored my world.

You may live in a smaller, less violent place where shootings seldom occur and it would be a rare to shoot a hold up man. I envy you and will be moving to a place like your town as soon as I can.

But be advised no matter where you are a hold man is going to be about the same. Whether he is a home boy or a guy who just exited the interstate into your town and needs some quick money. He is going to have a vicious streak and no regard for your life. Treat him like he treats you.

Giving them the money, doing what they say, all that may work but there is no guarantee. If you have never read Jeff Cooper's book The Principles of Personal Defense I suggest you order a copy immediately. It is a short book but summarizes a lot of important things.

Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.

The lesser thugs all turned on the trigger man at trial. The trigger man's statement in the paper was after all that had happened he felt like he was a victim. Think about that. That is the mindset you are up against.

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Ungrad, very good read!

The only thing I would add, is that a lot of robberies don't involve guns. Robbery is by 'force' or 'fear'. The guy who politely asks you for spare change...as soon as he says give me money motherfucker in a threatening manner, instant felony. The best thing to do, is say no and move on quickly. Don't give folks a chance to escalate an encounter.

A lot can be said for keeping a dummy wallet, with maybe 10 dollars in it. Keep those fake credit cards you get in the mail with 'your name here' on the front, they look real. Keep your real money in money belt,tucked inside your pants. If a situation is unarmed, intimidation, you can always throw the dummy wallet in one direction and hurry off in another. The robber will face a choice, the wallet, or you. They will take the easy money and split, most of the time. You are out 10 dollars. Put monopoly money in it if you like, for the last laugh.

In an unarmed situation, the temptation to pound the guy is valid. Sometimes it's not worth the hassle. That is up to you, and the situation. Always report what happened to the police afterwards, with a description.

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Ungrad, very good read!

Undergrad? Who? Me?
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My handle is short for Under Ground. That's why my Avatar is a mole digging.

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Undergrad? Who? Me?
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Yeah that's you...;D. You guys with your fancy handles, man...why not pick something simple? You could have just picked Underground, but no, you had to get all complex about it...:)

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This does not mean all rattlesnakes are a danger, only those that are roused to defense.

Hence the loud mouths I mentioned before, human rattlers.

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Definition of RACISM

A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Hmm, I guess if this is the definition I'm not racist. I think God places souls into bodies based on merit, not the body giving the soul merit. So people aren't good because they're white, they're white because they're good. (good is pretty relative however, most people will be torched)

That being said, one in a 100 brothas perhaps have developed enough to where they would be reincarnated white, but they're usually easy to spot.

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That being said, one in a 100 brothas perhaps have developed enough to where they would be reincarnated white, but they're usually easy to spot.

What does it take to be reincarnated Indian?

[General of Darkness]

BTW the ORIGINAL definition of RACIST came from the Bolshevik revolution, which was started by the jews, and it meant PROPERTY OWNER.

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What does it take to be reincarnated Indian?

a lot of bong hits :D

Idk really, it's easier to deal with the extremes.