Radish Kimchi

[palani]

Picked up a jar of this stuff the other day.

Sure is good.

[Libertytree]

Goes good with bullshit eh?

[osoab]

Goes good with bullshit eh?

Lib, that ain't cool. You may disagree with palani on other fronts, but there is no need to call him out on something completely unrelated to the discussion of law.

[Libertytree]

Lib, that ain't cool. You may disagree with palani on other fronts, but there is no need to call him out on something completely unrelated to the discussion of law.

Normally osoab I would agree but to me this is just more Obfuscation that deflects and diverts attention from very important matters. And it wouldn't be the 1st time I was stuck in the not being cool spot trying to do the right thing.

[iOWNme]

I had to look up what Kimchi was....LOL

How the hell did you even come across radish kimchi?


is a traditional fermented Korean dish made of vegetables with a variety of seasonings.[/URL] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi#cite_note-0)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi#cite_note-test-2"]Kimchi was originally developed as a way to preserve the vitamins and minerals in vegetables over the long winter since the cold winters of Northern Korea and the mountainous areas meant that brining and pickling foods was the best way to achieve this.

Interesting.....

[osoab]

Normally osoab I would agree but to me this is just more Obfuscation that deflects and diverts attention from very important matters. And it wouldn't be the 1st time I was stuck in the not being cool spot trying to do the right thing.

Diverts from important matters? What about gonzo's "I luv you guys" thread? Hell, we discuss plenty of "non-important issues" on the board, namely Kevlar.

Seriously. I was hoping you were posting about kimichi, because I have no idea what it is. I was hoping for a description of taste and texture.
I didn't expect the reply you gave.

[Libertytree]

Diverts from important matters? What about gonzo's "I luv you guys" thread? Hell, we discuss plenty of "non-important issues" on the board, namely Kevlar.

Seriously. I was hoping you were posting about kimichi, because I have no idea what it is. I was hoping for a description of taste and texture.
I didn't expect the reply you gave.

I know and love Kimchi personally. Isn't it odd that dude changed the topic at the same time of losing his hallow argument?

[Eyebone]

Ok, 'Kim Khi' smells, you think cooking cabbage smells? ..this like bean farts by a zombie smell.

[palani]

I had to look up what Kimchi was....LOL

How the hell did you even come across radish kimchi?



Interesting.....

Thought I was picking up cabbage kimchi. Jar looks the same and I didn't look at it too closely. Glad I did though. It is better than the cabbage variety. It is still fermented so adds bacteria to the gut.

[palani]

there is no need to call him out on something completely unrelated to the discussion of law.

Actually the topic does follow. Libertytree is in what the Koreans call "deep kimchi".

[Libertytree]

Ok, 'Kim Khi' smells, you think cooking cabbage smells? ..this like bean farts by a zombie smell.

If you ever watched and smelled it being made you might never try it, but damn it is good!

[osoab]

I know and love Kimchi personally. Isn't it odd that dude changed the topic at the same time of losing his hallow argument?

I don't know. I wasn't following the discussion you are referring too. I am guessing the Supreme Court thread, but I have yet to look at it today.

[Libertytree]

Actually the topic does follow. Libertytree is in what the Koreans call "deep kimchi".

It just follows too close for your comfort and I'd rather stand in "deep Kimchi" than in the "shallow lies" of of what you're trying to spread.

Even if Kimchi were still made in the ancient fashion I'd still rather stand in that.

[palani]

Even if Kimchi were still made in the ancient fashion I'd still rather stand in that.

Then you are where you want to be. Enjoy!!!

[Eyebone]

If you ever watched and smelled it being made you might never try it, but damn it is good!

I'll stick with sauerkraut if I want something like that.

Pickled veggies.

[Cebu_4_2]

Kinda like making wine or crushing black peppercorn.

[palani]

I'll stick with sauerkraut if I want something like that.

I heard this on a local radio station. The announcer said his family had moved to their farm in the mid '50s. They pumped the septic tank when they first moved there and in 40 years of living never pumped the septic again. He said the reason was his mother would shred a head of cabbage once a month and flush it down. The bacteria kept the tank working.

Cabbage is good for this. They way the Koreans ferment it make it even better.

[ximmy]

North Korean rocket scientists in "deep kimchi" after rocket failure... NK Claims "not shot down"... like Palani's arguments.

[palani]

... like Palani's arguments.

palani has no argument. palani agrees with everyone. all else is entertainment.

[Libertytree]

palani has no argument. palani agrees with everyone. all else is entertainment.

I have no argument, though I don't agree with everyone. palani is a liar and this is probably entertainment for him, considering his probable paygrade.

[Cebu_4_2]

I have no argument, though I don't agree with everyone. palani is a liar and this is probably entertainment for him, considering his probable paygrade.
Idonno man, both threads are pretty entertaining for me.

[palani]

this is probably entertainment for him, considering his probable paygrade.

My paygrade is incomparable to yours. I accept no FRNs. You may speculate but you cannot comprehend.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ua8iOR0g8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ua8iOR0g8

[solid]

Why is everyone picking on Palani?

I have a kimchi story. When I walk to the gym, I pass by this little hole in the wall eatery, small deli type place. There's always a line out the door for this place, at around lunchtime. I keep meaning to eat there. So, I went to the gym, and on my walk back I thought I'd try this place. I first noticed there was no line, so thought I was good to go. I walk up, and see a closed sign. This beautiful Korean gal, said "we are closed." I said no problem, and that I was just looking at the menu, a big sign over the kitchen. She comes up to me, and we talk for several minutes. She tells me that everything is made fresh daily, all organic fresh ingredients. She said their daily favorite is a kimchi burrito, that she would personally make me one next time I come by.

I've never tried kimchi before.

[osoab]

Why is everyone picking on Palani?

I have a kimchi story. When I walk to the gym, I pass by this little hole in the wall eatery, small deli type place. There's always a line out the door for this place, at around lunchtime. I keep meaning to eat there. So, I went to the gym, and on my walk back I thought I'd try this place. I first noticed there was no line, so thought I was good to go. I walk up, and see a closed sign. This beautiful Korean gal, said "we are closed." I said no problem, and that I was just looking at the menu, a big sign over the kitchen. She comes up to me, and we talk for several minutes. She tells me that everything is made fresh daily, all organic fresh ingredients. She said their daily favorite is a kimchi burrito, that she would personally make me one next time I come by.

I've never tried kimchi before.

Dude, she just wants to see your burrito. :o

Get a dummy phone before giving out your number.

[Libertytree]

My paygrade is incomparable to yours. I accept no FRNs. You may speculate but you cannot comprehend.

You're full of shit, doesn't deal in FRNs, lmfao. I don't speculate, therefore there's no need to even try and comprehend.

I'm done with this thread.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I make my own kimchi. Mine is about 10% daikon radish, a similar amount of julienned carrots, and green onions. I also throw in some shredded ginger, korean hot pepper powder, lots of garlic, some sugar, and a fair amount of Vietnamese fish sauce which many people think stinks to high heaven. The rest of it is cabbage. I use napa cabbage sliced across the leaves at 1 inch intervals, and salt these leaves in a plastic bucket overnight. I drain that bucket, and throw in the other ingredients and mix them thoroughly, then fill quart jars--usually 2 with a single cabbage. I make sure there is enough liquid to cover the solids in the jar. I seal the jars up and put them in a cold place for about two weeks. I also make my own sauerkraut, but I prefer kimchi because it is spicier and has a balance of sweet, sour, hot, and salty, and restores my guts to a relative state of normal. I consider a can of sardines and a cup of kimchi to be a complete meal. I will have to experiment with upping the daikon content of the mix.

I'm grateful to Palani for directing my attention to numerous resources about the law. I feel like I'm getting a great education about a subject that has always eluded me, mostly because of my own preconceived ideas. I find the idea of the Sovereign Individual and the Freeman on the Land to be interesting to say the least. Palani's got more than just information he's got some wisdom to go with it, and I welcome that.



Hatha

[muffin]

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[Book]

Picked up a jar of this stuff the other day.



::) did you "barter" for it or just steal it?




I accept no FRNs.

[palani]

You're full of shit, doesn't deal in FRNs, lmfao. I don't speculate, therefore there's no need to even try and comprehend.

I'm done with this thread.

I'll be willing to bet you believe you "own" your drivers license and have a social security number as well. In other words you cannot tell fiction from reality.

[palani]

did you "barter" for it or just steal it?

I obtained the use of it but not the usufruct.

How do you obtain this day your daily fraud?

[zap]

LOL MUffy .............a Bunny fight ! Back on topic

I have tried Kim Chi and its the nastiest stuff I have eaten, although it was jarred. Maybe homemade is better.

[solid]

I obtained the use of it but not the usufruct.

So, you ate the jar of kimchi. Did you ask permission at least? :)

[palani]

Did you ask permission at least?

No contracts were broken.

[palani]

I have tried Kim Chi and its the nastiest stuff I have eaten, although it was jarred. Maybe homemade is better.

Probably not. You have to like spicy. The fermentation adds probiotic to the guts and helps keep things moving.

[solid]

No contracts were broken.

So...I'm just trying to understand. You ate the kimchi out of the jar, and returned the empty jar. Since no verbal contracts were established, the rightful owner owned the jar, not the kimchi inside...so this is OK then?

[zap]

Probably not. You have to like spicy. The fermentation adds probiotic to the guts and helps keep things moving.

I do like spicy, spicy hot is good, that just didn't set right with me. Kinda reminded me of OLD wilted veggies with vinegar on them.



Oh and quit picking on Palani, I like his circle talking sometimes. :)

[palani]

So...I'm just trying to understand. You ate the kimchi out of the jar, and returned the empty jar. Since no verbal contracts were established, the rightful owner owned the jar, not the kimchi inside...so this is OK then?

Not even close. The owners of the Vietnamese grocery store like to think that they got paid. They may even think I paid them. Actually though their transaction was with an agent of a corporation handling corporate funds. I don't pretend to handle FRNs myself. Being corporate coupons they stay entirely within the corporate venue.

[palani]

I do like spicy, spicy hot is good, that just didn't set right with me. Kinda reminded me of OLD wilted veggies with vinegar on them. Of the cabbage variety I can only eat about a tablespoon. Definitely not a dish you can pork out on.


Oh and quit picking on Palani, They are just testing. If I respond then I am responsible for their posts. I don't get angry at these posts because they are not responsible ... I am.

[solid]

Not even close. The owners of the Vietnamese grocery store like to think that they got paid. They may even think I paid them. Actually though their transaction was with an agent of a corporation handling corporate funds. I don't pretend to handle FRNs myself. Being corporate coupons they stay entirely within the corporate venue.

OK. So you gave them FRN's, fair enough. I'll likely do the same when I try that kimchi burrito in the near future.

[palani]

OK. So you gave them FRN's,
Rather an undisclosed principal gave them FRN's. In any case, whether you go through an agent or choose to handle these negotiable instruments yourself, lawful ownership of the chose in action never changes hands. There is no substance involved so you are involved in Equity.

In your case you might have the belief that you have become the owner of that kimchi burrito by trading FRNs for it. In my case I know I am not the owner of the jar of radish kimchi.

[solid]

In your case you might have the belief that you have become the owner of that kimchi burrito by trading FRNs for it. In my case I know I am not the owner of the jar of radish kimchi.

But you ate the kimchi from the jar. If I eat the kimchi burrito, that is acknowledging ownership. You can't eat what you don't own.

Ah..hell, this is all going over my head anyways. Love your posts, Palani, and I agree with zap that folks should not be picking on Palani.

[palani]

But you ate the kimchi from the jar. If I eat the kimchi burrito, that is acknowledging ownership. You can't eat what you don't own.

Your answer was written into the language centuries ago.


USE, civil law. A right of receiving so much of the natural profits of a thing as is necessary to daily sustenance; it differs from usufruct, which is a right not only to use but to enjoy.

I admit to the use. The right to enjoy the kimchi belongs to others. Maybe they can enjoy it as much 24 hours after I have had my use.

[solid]

I admit to the use. The right to enjoy the kimchi belongs to others. Maybe they can enjoy it as much 24 hours after I have had my use.

But how can they enjoy the kimchi if you fucking ate it all?

Goddamnit.

This makes no sense to me, at all.

[zap]

But how can they enjoy the kimchi if you fucking ate it all?

Goddamnit.

This makes no sense to me, at all.


HAHAHAh :)

[muffin]

Goddamnit.

This makes no sense to me, at all.

this is how i feel about all of his posts.....

[Hatha Sunahara]

Usufruct is a right of enjoyment enabling a holder to derive profit or benefit from property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property) that either is titled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_%28property%29) to another person or which is held in common ownership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership), as long as the property is not damaged or destroyed. In many usufructory property systems, such as the traditional ejido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejido) system in Mexico, individuals or groups may only acquire the usufruct of the property, not legal title.
Usufruct comes from civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29), under which it is a subordinate real right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ius_in_re) (or in rem right) (ius in re aliena) of limited duration, usually for a person's lifetime. The holder of a usufruct, known as a usufructuary, has the right to use (usus) the property and enjoy its fruits (fructus).
Would it be correct for me to conclude that you have the use of FRNs which you do not own? Or did someone buy it for you?


Hatha

[Cebu_4_2]

Would it be correct for me to conclude that you have the use of FRNs which you do not own? Or did someone buy it for you?
Hatha

I believe his principle bought it with FRNs as he is corporate, Palini is not.

[Hatha Sunahara]

OK. So, back to the kimchi. It is the fish sauce in large part that makes it smell awful, but taste good--if that isn't a complete contradiction. I use Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce in a lot of asian dishes. Some people say it has the smell of sweaty socks. Fish sauce is a flavor enhancer. Much like anchovies are in a Caesar Salad dressing. It's something you have to develop a taste for. If you go to a Thai restaurant and order something with stir fried veggies in it, you can, if you pay attention, detect the distinct aroma of the fish sauce. Likewise, in a Korean restaurant, they are likely to serve kimchi with everything, and it really does go well with everything else. This is, after all, Korea's national dish. They even developed a special variety for one of their astronauts to take to space with him on the space shuttle. It is likely that there are thousands of variations on recipes for kimchi. It really spices up a hot dog if you put some in the bun. Usually you know when kimchi is past its expiration date if it is no longer crunchy. Kimchi, in my opinion, makes the world a better place.

Hatha

[Cebu_4_2]

OK. So, back to the kimchi. It is the fish sauce in large part that makes it smell awful, but taste good--if that isn't a complete contradiction. I use Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce in a lot of asian dishes. Some people say it has the smell of sweaty socks. Fish sauce is a flavor enhancer. Much like anchovies are in a Caesar Salad dressing. It's something you have to develop a taste for. If you go to a Thai restaurant and order something with stir fried veggies in it, you can, if you pay attention, detect the distinct aroma of the fish sauce. Likewise, in a Korean restaurant, they are likely to serve kimchi with everything, and it really does go well with everything else. This is, after all, Korea's national dish. They even developed a special variety for one of their astronauts to take to space with him on the space shuttle. It is likely that there are thousands of variations on recipes for kimchi. It really spices up a hot dog if you put some in the bun. Usually you know when kimchi is past its expiration date if it is no longer crunchy. Kimchi, in my opinion, makes the world a better place.

Hatha

Never tried kimchi, my wife is Filipino and fish sauce is good. Now when she cooks these little dried fish... well lets say she cooks it outside now and she closes all the windows. I swear they are rotted before dry, I know what dried is and I now what rotted is. Now that I heard of kimchi I will be looking for it.

[Cebu_4_2]

Spicy fermented cabbage and spicy fermented radish / 김치, 깍두기 / Kimchi, kaktugi (or gimchi, kimchee, kkakdooki, kaktoogi, ggakdugi, kkaktugi, kkakdugi)

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Categories: banchan (http://www.maangchi.com/recipes/banchan), cold (http://www.maangchi.com/recipes/cold), kimchi (http://www.maangchi.com/recipes/kimchi), sidedishes (http://www.maangchi.com/recipes/sidedishes), spicy (http://www.maangchi.com/recipes/spicy)
Made with: Asian chives, fish sauce, fresh oysters, garlic, ginger, green onion, hot pepper flakes, Korean radish, napa cabbage, onion, salt, sugar, sweet rice flour, water,
Watch on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBR91ypxk4) - 920,222 views and rated 5 stars out of 5 based on 2671 ratings, or Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/1082797)
Read the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi) for this recipe
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Music: 'Bossa Beguine' by Oscar Peterson
Originally posted on July 12, 2007 at 4:16 pm by Maangchi and published in Cooking Korean Food with Maangchi - Book 1 (http://www.maangchi.com/cookbook/cooking-korean-food-with-maangchi-book-1)


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Kimchi is a staple of Korean life and many people include it in their meals three times a day. You can eat it by itself, or use it in so many different Korean recipes. When Koreans make kimchi, they make an effort to make the best kimchi possible and include many different kinds of ingredients depending on the region where they live.
Today I will show you how to make traditional kimchi with oysters and also we will make radish kimchi (“kakdugi”) at the same time, with the same kimchi paste, which saves time instead of making them separately. You might also be interested in my “easy kimchi (http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/easy-kimchi)” (mak kimchi) recipe if you don’t have a lot of time.
Many people think you have to wait for kimchi to be fermented before eating, but personally I prefer to eat fresh kimchi, as soon as I make it. And I like to make stew (“kimchi jjijae (http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/kimchi-chigae-kongnamool)“) out of older kimchi.
If you don’t like oysters, you can leave them out. And if you want to make only kimchi or kaktugi, not both, leave out the other recipe. Or check out my easy kimchi recipe (http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/easy-kimchi) for an easier, faster way to make kimchi.
Ingredients:


2 large size napa cabbages (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/napa-cabbage) (about 8 pounds: 3.6 kg) and 2 Korean radishes (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/korean-radish) (about 4-5 pounds: 2 kg)
1 ½ cup of Kosher salt
½ cup sweet rice flour (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/sweet-rice-flour), ¼ cup sugar, water
4 cups of hot pepper flakes (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/hot-pepper-flakes)
1 cup fish sauce (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/fish-sauce),
1 medium sized onion, minced (about 1 cup)
1 cup of fresh garlic, minced
1 tbs minced ginger (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/ginger)
7 stalks of green onions, chopped diagnolly
2 cups worth Buchu (Asian chives (http://www.maangchi.com/ingredients/asian-chives)), chopped,
2 cups of matchstick-cut radish
fresh oysters (optional)

Directions:


Cut the cabbages in half, and then slit each half through the core, but not through the rest of the leaves.
Soak each piece in cold water and sprinkle salt over the each leaf , and then set it aside for 2 hours.
*tip: the stems should get more salt than the leaves
Peel 2 kg of Korean radishes and cut them into 1 inch cubes. Do this by cutting them into several disks, and then cutting horizontally, and then vertically. Put them in a big bowl and sprinkle them with ¼ cup of salt. Then set these aside, too.
2 hours later, turn the pieces of cabbage over so they get salted evenly. Turn the radishes as well.
Another 2 hours later, you will see the cabbage look softer than before, and it should have shrunk.
*the total salting process will take 4 hours
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Making Kimchi paste:
Make porridge


Put ½ cup of sweet rice flour and 3 cups of water into a skillet and mix them up. Then cook over medium-high heat, stirring constantly.
When you see some bubbles, pour 1/4 cup of sugar into the porridge and stir one more minute. Then cool it down.
Place the cold porridge into a big bowl. Now you will add all your ingredients one by one.
Add fish sauce, hot pepper flakes, crushed garlic, ginger, and onion
*tip: it’s much easier to use a food processor.
Add green onions, Asian chives, and radish.
Add 2 cups of frozen oysters, but this is optional. (I found out lots of people can’t eat them.)
Mix all ingredients well.
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Are you ready to spread our paste on the leaves and make your kaktugi?
* I recommend you wear rubber gloves so that you don’t irritate your skin.


Spread the kimchi paste onto each leaf of the cabbage, and make a good shape out of the leaves by slightly pressing with both hands.
Put it into an air- tight sealed plastic container or glass jar.
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Mix your leftover paste with your radish cubes (this is kaktugi).Check out my kakdugi (cubed radish kimchi) recipe (http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/kkakdugi) if you want to make only kakdugi.

You can eat it fresh right after making or wait until it’s fermented. Put the Kimchi container at room temperature for 1 or 2 days and keep it in the refrigerator.
How do you know it’s fermented or not?
One or 2 days after, open the lid of the Kimchi container. You may see some bubbles with lots of liquids, or maybe sour smells. That means it’s already being fermented.


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[palani]

Would it be correct for me to conclude that you have the use of FRNs which you do not own? Or did someone buy it for you?
Hatha

If you examine the definition of "use" you will find that you get the right of receiving something to the extent that you need it for your daily sustenance. I find I have no need of even a single FRN to survive.

Consider the situation. The cashier at the Vietnamese grocery store was an agent for the owner. At the end of the year his W-2 form did not reflect how many FRNs he HANDLED. Instead it shows how many FRNs he was paid to be an agent. On the other side of the counter an agent of a company handed him FRNs to allow for the product to leave the store. I had no involvement in the operation. Agents talking to agents. How symmetrical is that?

[palani]

But how can they enjoy the kimchi if you fucking ate it all?

The usufruct of others in a chose in action is neither my concern nor my goal.

[kiffertom]

kimchi is great! we have a small chinese grocery that has radish, cabbage and green onion kimchi.i prefer the green onion. you can buy it in jars at the supermarket.

[ximmy]

Rather an undisclosed principal gave them FRN's. In any case, whether you go through an agent or choose to handle these negotiable instruments yourself, lawful ownership of the chose in action never changes hands. There is no substance involved so you are involved in Equity.

In your case you might have the belief that you have become the owner of that kimchi burrito by trading FRNs for it. In my case I know I am not the owner of the jar of radish kimchi.

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[Hatha Sunahara]

Palani, I get it! It is one strawman to another. The underlying assumption is that the strawman is not you. I would have gotten it sooner if you used the word strawman instead of 'agent'.

Your strawman is a dead legal fiction, incapable of enjoying, let alone eating kimchi. When you hand over FRNs to the Vietnamese clerk's strawman--no living humans are involved in the transaction, and the FRNs exchanged are also a legal fiction. But the kimchi is not. The kimchi can go into your human stomach and be enjoyed by that being that does not recognize the strawman who obtained it for you. Hahahahahaha!

Correct me if I am in error here.


Hatha

[palani]

Correct me if I am in error here.


Hatha

Substantially correct although the concept of uses, usufructs, trusts and legal fictions came about historically because the crown was getting carried away with taxes. Not only that but if you happened to be a Roman with ownership of land you were expected to devote 10 years to the military. Hardly an incentive to be a land owner.

George Gordon also lectured on use of a third party to control business. The example he gave was of a fellow in Missouri who had committed a felony and as a result could not obtain a license to buy and sell cars. But the guy down the street who ran the air conditioning shop (who knew nothing about cars) could obtain the license and let the ex-felon run the business as an employee. This method is hardly illegal, not immoral (or at least no more so than any used car salesman) and circumvents the statutes nicely.

[ximmy]

Substantially correct although the concept of uses, usufructs, trusts and legal fictions came about historically because the crown was getting carried away with taxes. Not only that but if you happened to be a Roman with ownership of land you were expected to devote 10 years to the military. Hardly an incentive to be a land owner.

George Gordon also lectured on use of a third party to control business. The example he gave was of a fellow in Missouri who had committed a felony and as a result could not obtain a license to buy and sell cars. But the guy down the street who ran the air conditioning shop (who knew nothing about cars) could obtain the license and let the ex-felon run the business as an employee. This method is hardly illegal, not immoral (or at least no more so than any used car salesman) and circumvents the statutes nicely.

...continual failure to concede the illustration provided is accurate representation... no need for verbal circumlocution... ::)

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[Hatha Sunahara]

...continual failure to concede the illustration provided is accurate representation... no need for verbal circumlocution... ::)

http://picture-book.com/files/userimages/260u/pb_shoppingcart.jpg

Ximmy, your illustration is of two living natural persons, presumably a mom and her son at a supermarket buying stuff. To illustrate the idea effectively, you would need another picture of the legal fictions that the law sees these people as--perhaps as straw figures, and juxtapose the two pictures side by side. One picture is the way us living natural people see what is going on, and the other would be the way the law deems what is going on.

In a bizarre, surrealistic way, the law has created dead fictional surrogates for all us living human beings. Ostensibly so we can be made equals with truly dead legal fictions such as corporations, and that we can all be judged by the Uniform Commercial Code, or Maritime courts. Most of us are completely unaware that we live in this dead legal world--but we do.


Hatha

[ximmy]

Ximmy, your illustration is of two living natural persons, presumably a mom and her son at a supermarket buying stuff. To illustrate the idea effectively, you would need another picture of the legal fictions that the law sees these people as--perhaps as straw figures, and juxtapose the two pictures side by side. One picture is the way us living natural people see what is going on, and the other would be the way the law deems what is going on.

In a bizarre, surrealistic way, the law has created dead fictional surrogates for all us living human beings. Ostensibly so we can be made equals with truly dead legal fictions such as corporations, and that we can all be judged by the Uniform Commercial Code, or Maritime courts. Most of us are completely unaware that we live in this dead legal world--but we do.


Hatha

Here you go Hatha, enjoy! :)

Strawmen: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55024-Summoned-How-to-Send-em-Packin-!!!

[Hatha Sunahara]

Ximmy--thanks. Looks like you're ahead of me on the strawman concept. I must have led a very sheltered life until now.


Hatha

[palani]

http://picture-book.com/files/userimages/260u/pb_shoppingcart.jpg

A child has no capacity to contract. Until around 160 years ago a female lacked this capacity as well, especially one under coverture. By the same token a baron and femme might commit a crime together but the femme would get a pass because of being under the influence of the baron. Today that is not the case. Females have traded their far superior rights for mere equality.

In Pennsylvania this change came about because many husbands were seafarers. While they were gone the legislature decided the wife had to be able to carry on transactions as if they were present. In other cultures women have not achieved this level of "equality". In Mexico should a plumber be called for a problem in the home he will take no direction from the woman while the man of the house is at work.

Were there any other points you would like to make about your cartoon?

[Cebu_4_2]

Were there any other points you would like to make about your cartoon?

Their both gingers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhttrUpuhas

[ximmy]

palani, your mom called and said the store was out of Radish Kimchi. Do you want a popsicle?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaeY8N4T7Do

[palani]

Do you want a popsicle?

Sorry. I only contract with principals and accept no gifts from foreign potentates.

[gunDriller]

i used to like Kimchi.

then i ate a quart jar of it one night while drinking beer.


tasted good at the time but MAN what a stomach ache.