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Ponce
12th April 2012, 10:36 PM
As far as I am concern this has been the real reason for all that is happening and nothing more than the elimination of most of the population.......after everything is done for there then will be a control over who will have kids and how many.......to me that the main weapon that they will use will be some kind of epidemic of which at this time we don't know anything about.......I said "we" and not them because they already have the cure in order to stop it at 'their" convinience.

Only post of the day......good evening to one and all.
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MIT Predicts Half of Humanity to Be Culled in Post-Industrial Crash
Posted by Real News Reporter on April 10th, 2012
Researchers claim that only global government can save humanity, echoing MIT/Club of Rome model for collapse by 2030

Aaron Dykes
Prison Planet.com
April 9, 2012

Will 5 billion people perish from the earth in the coming century? That’s what the controversial elitist think tank, the Club of Rome, predicted back in 1972. Decades after its publication, advocates of world government are still pushing its predictions as a call to curb mankind’s footprint on the earth.

Australian physicist Graham Turner has recently made news again after revisiting computer models MIT researchers created for the Club of Rome’s 1972 publication that sees a drastic decline in human population coming in relation to a increasing scarcity of resources. Turner’s basic conclusions, however, give away the agenda in plain sight. “The world is on track for disaster,” he bluntly states, while suggesting that “unlimited economic growth” is still possible if world governments enact policies and invest in green technologies that help limit the expansion of our ecological footprint.
The neo-Malthusian Club of Rome has once again surfaced– at a time when environmentalists are demanding world government to save the earth– to present computer models it developed with MIT. It predicts a stark future where limited resources like oil, food and water supposedly trigger a crash that ends with a precipitous reduction in the human population. The graph, while failing to provide actual numbers on the Y axis, appears to show a world population level in 2100 approximately equal to the almost 4.5 billion people in 1980, a decline of more than 5 billion from projected peak numbers (which could be even higher):


Of course, the Club of Rome/MIT models already predicted that the tipping point for disaster would come by the year 2000, which, like the predictions from Sir Thomas Malthus that population would outgrow the food supply, never came.

Instead, this prediction for disaster reflects aspirations of the elite to stop growth, not a neutral reflection on trends that must be. As we have repeatedly documented, the ruling elites aim to cull the population and drive a post-industrial society that harkens back to the feudalistic era.



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The Club of Rome, founded in 1968, is an “environmental” group of, by and for the elitists who want control of earth, its peoples and resources. Indeed, elitism at its height was expressed through the Club of Rome when it published in 1991 that “mankind itself” was the enemy, and man’s usage of resources its destructive weapon against the planet:

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
- Club of Rome, The First Global RevolutionLyndon LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review, along with other critics, found in the early 1980s that the MIT-created computer model had been tailored to produce the results Club of Rome founder Aurelio Peccei wanted to show. As authors Phillip Darrell Collins and Paul David Collins summarize:

“The motive for this deception, Peccei contends, is purely an altruistic one. Apparently, the “nobel lie” provided necessary shock treatment” to compel nations to adopt measures of population control (Executive Intelligence Review Special Report, p. 16, 1982). In a critique of The Limits to Growth, Christopher Freeman characterized the MIT group as a collective “Malthus with a computer” (Freeman p. 5, 1975).In other words, the computer model used by the Club of Rome, like the one now surfacing, is designed not to predict the path of humanity but to steer it. Economist Gunnar Myrdal blasted the model’s attempt to “impress the innocent general public” while holding “little, if any, scientific validity.”

THE ELITES WANT A POST-INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY

The Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth model, like Paul Ehrlich’s Population Bomb, was meant more to shame the public out of their consumption pattern more than it was meant to be a literal prediction. Thus, “confirming” the model produced by MIT remains a confirmation of the intent to curb society’s behavior– conveniently through a world government mechanism.

This is the basic aim of the United Nation’s Agenda 21 and other “sustainable development” programs. They hinge on excitement over the depletion of resources, but many assumptions are made that either prove inaccurate, or that rule out the adoption of alternatives.

Consider the fact that even mainstream outlets like Bloomberg have had to concede the myth of peak oil, with new discoveries and existing sources making a mockery of claims that the fuel would disappear. Whether or not oil will remain desirable over alternative fuels is a different question, but current sources can easily last the world hundreds of years.

Instead, as Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson exposed back in 2005, the ruse is put forward to condition society for artificial scarcity. Cutting off the average human’s access to crude is quite different than its actual availability.

Moreover, as Forbes online points out, the Club of Rome study has been constantly updated, and moreover, the current “confirmation” dismisses the use of any real alternatives. The possibilities are there, but have the elites chosen not to embrace other solutions? Why?

Tim Worstall quotes first from Graham Tuner’s paper:

To account for substitutability between resources a simple and robust position has been taken. First, it is assumed here that metals and minerals will not substitute for bulk energy resources such as fossil fuels.Then adds:

So if we’re not running out of metals and minerals but we are substituting metals and minerals for fossil fuels then the idea that actually, the Club of Rome were quite right looks a bit odd, doesn’t it?The availability and affordability of food is being challenged not by the ability to grow and supply, but by speculators driving up costs. Biofuels, namely corn-derived ethanol, are exacerbating this dilemma by dedicating acreage to fuel-over-food production, threatening billions with potential starvation due to bad policy.

Further, GMO crops have been heavily pushed on the illusory promise that they will provide more yields. But the failure of these crops to produce more food will cause a greater disaster by destroying traditional agriculture via costly terminator seeds that have already proved so costly they are triggering one of the largest ongoing epidemics of suicide in India the world has ever seen.

The availability of clean water is challenged by many factors, but among them is the widespread contamination with pharmaceuticals and estrogen-mimicking compounds like Bisphenol-A, which have become ubiquitous in consumer life yet oddly are connected with the growing problem of infertility, as well as a spike in cancers, deformities and gender bending in both human and wildlife populations.

Again, the elite are driving these policies. The claim of humanity’s potential to over-consume at “unsustainable” levels is not without merit, but it lacks serious focus when it immediately blames the masses instead of those calling the shots.

MIT’s calculations in the Limits to Growth publication are thus a bit fuzzy for these reasons and numerous others. It’s not that man is unable to destroy himself that is disputed, but instead it is clear that the oligarchical tier of humanity is bent on achieving the destruction– of the bottom 80% of the world’s population. And that is simply not recognized.

The strategy is mirrored by Bill Gates, as demonstrated at his 2010 TED talk. There he contrives a formula predicting collapse unless mankind curbs population, energy consumption, services and CO2 output. “Probably one of these numbers has to get pretty close to zero,” Gates quips, hinting at population numbers as the key variable.


The elite want to frame the debate around trade offs in a zero-sum game, ultimately suggesting the negative worth of human individuals. True innovation could get us out of this dilemma, but would those in power entertain such notions?

As Mac Slavo observes, it is the unsustainability of the financial spectrum that is most likely candidate to contribute to widespread death, destruction and loss of standard of living:

There is a strong case to be made that the issuance of trillions of dollars in debt over the course of the last several decades, much like oil, will become impossible to sustain. Since the entire system of consumption is essentially based on this debt, if confidence in this system is lost, it may very well have the same initial effect as a peak oil breaking point. Debt, even when fabricated out of thin air, is essentially a promise tied to some sort of resource. It is based on the idea that something will eventually be created by someone in order to make good on the debt. By all accounts, we the people are the collateral for all of this debt floating our in the system. But, it has gotten to the point that the debt – somewhere in the range of $200 trillion in the United States alone – far outweighs our ability to harness enough time and energy to repay the principal with interest.
Thus, this ‘peak debt’ created to save us from the unsustainable resource practices we face should be just as big of a concern as peak oil or water. Because when we finally reach the limit of our debt, and it becomes clear that the collateral backing that debt is unable to produce enough yield to pay it back, we’ll have a whole new meaning for the term ‘collateral damage.’

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Hypertiger
13th April 2012, 12:28 AM
The cause of the collapse is the choice to take more than you give.

Once you choose to embrace the take more than you give equation as the path to salvation all you can do is postpone arrival at the logical conclusion for as long as possible.

That is what happend in 1929...the global trade system with the british pound as the global trade medium of exchange reached maximum potnetial and collapsed...in 1933 the global trade system was put into bankruptcy reorganization...WW2 was the liquidation climax of the 1933-1945 bankruptcy reorganization of the global trade system.

in 1944 a new global trade system was implemented...The pound was replaced with the Dollar and the USA became the demand of the global trade system taking over from England.

basically since the bottom in 1945 the global system has been in the roaring 6 decades...expanding/exponentially growing or takeing more than it gives at an average of 7.9% per year.

The top has known all along that the bretton woods global trade system like all take more than you give systems was inevitably systemically doomed to inflate to maximum potential and implode.

All that can be done is postponement of arrival at the logical conclusion of the take more than you give equation for as long as possible.

In 2008 after 63 years...the US consumer reached their maximum potential to supply the demand for yield to sustain the continued inflation of the global trade system.

Basically global civilization as you all know it is a lie...fighting Truth.

Lies take more power than they give in order to sustain their existence...Once they require infinite power to sustain the war against Truth...The lie you all worship and believe is Truth requires Truth to sustain the war....because truth is the only source of infinite power.

This is the lifting of the veil...once a lie requires Truth in order to sustain it's continued existance...the lie masqurading as Truth self destructs.

Basically once the lie all of you are slaving day in and day out to supply power to in order to fight against Truth demands more power than all you devout worshipers can supply...It self destructs.

Billions of people that are fundable assets that require an expanding system to sustain their funding...will transform into unfundable liabilities and be liquidated one way or the other once the take more than you give system reach maximum potential and begins collapsing.

basically it's been collapsing for years now....The economic zones at the bottom are being sucked dry by those above...one an economic zone reaches the maximum potential to supply the demand for yield by the economic zones above...the economic zone is sucked dry and implodes.

Like Greece.

The yield starvation will travel up the hierarchy and eventually collapse the entire global trade system...

of course once the system collapses to oblivion and the dust settles...the survivors will be employed by the top to construct the next take more than you give system.

as far as I can tell the goal is to reduce the population down to 10% and use all the technology the slaves have supplied the master in order to hold growth rates to 1% per year.

Allowing a doubling time of 70 years....The doubling time from 1945 to 2008 was 8.8 years roughly.

Basically it will take the next take more than you give system close to 1000 years to reach the point that the current systam did the past 67 years.

The top are just the employers...it's all of you below slaving day in and day out power the system to teh logical conclusion.

taking more than you give in order to sustain existence is teh same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow.

you have two options once you choose to take more power than you give to sustain existance.

stop chopping down trees faster than they regrow before you run out...at which point you will not be able to sustain existance and collapse.

or

continue chopping down trees faster than they regrow until you run out...at which point you will not be able to sustain existance and collapse.

Once you choose to take more than you give to sustain your existance...you fate becomes certain and inevitable.

the only way to avoid the logical conclusion of the take more than you give equation is to postpone arrival at the logical conclusion for as long as possible.

exponentially grow forever or die.

the top has known for 1000's of years that the take more than you give system is systemically doomed to inflate to maximum potential and implode...All that the top does during the inflationary phase is prepare for the deflationary phase.

Gaillo
13th April 2012, 12:50 AM
The two legends speak...

We are not worthy! Or... not.

dys
13th April 2012, 01:41 AM
"...be fruitful and multiply..."
Genesis 1:28

dys

croc
13th April 2012, 01:50 AM
i cant believe it...... the kooban an the pussy cat !!!!!!!!

osoab
13th April 2012, 02:11 AM
Thanks for stopping by Ponce. How's the pooch? Did you feel the EQ the other day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wj-BXdfOck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wj-BXdfOck

millwright
13th April 2012, 03:09 AM
A few observations on the comments above.

For my entire adult life, all I have ever done is give more than I take.

For the last 5 years, I have hunkered down and prepared.

Now, I live like every day like it is my last.

Irregardless, I have lived a good life, and will continue to do so .

I embrace truth, and reject falsehoods.

What else is there?

The system is rotten to the core no doubt, but by recognizing that truth one can overcome .

The sun will rise tomorrow, and with Gods grace so will I.

MW

Serpo
13th April 2012, 03:32 AM
Peak Civilization: MIT Predicts Global Economic Collapse By 2030 (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/peak-civilization-mit-predicts-global-economic-collapse-2030-113991/)

Posted by Alexander Higgins (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/author/admin/) - April 5, 2012 at 4:28 pm - Permalink (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/peak-civilization-mit-predicts-global-economic-collapse-2030-113991/) - Source (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/peak-civilization-mit-predicts-global-economic-collapse-2030-113991/) via Alexander Higgins Blog (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/peak-civilization-mit-predicts-global-economic-collapse-2030-113991/)


An MIT research team predicts a Global Economic collapse and ensuing global population decline by 2030 due to lack of resources to support the earth’s population.

With seven billion people on the planet, the system as it is currently managed can’t possibility continue to support the daily needs of the world’s population. The solutions that have been presented over the course of the last half century fall far short of providing any meaningful results, despite the treasure spent and liberty stripped. Slowly but surely we are approaching Peak Civilization…

http://www.shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/limitsofgrowth.jpg

The recent study, completed on behalf of The Club of Rome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ex_ejxzic&feature=player_embedded), an organization which issued it’s own findings on ‘peak everything’ back in the 1970′s in a controversial environmental report dubbed The Limits to Growth (video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iHr9mzLEZU)), takes into account the relations between various global developments and produces computer simulations for alternative scenarios.


Via Smithsonian Magazine (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Looking-Back-on-the-Limits-of-Growth.html):
Recent research supports the conclusions of a controversial environmental study released 40 years ago: The world is on track for disaster. So says Australian physicist Graham Turner, who revisited perhaps the most groundbreaking academic work of the 1970s, The Limits to Growth.
Written by MIT researchers for an international think tank, the Club of Rome, the study used computers to model several possible future scenarios. The business-as-usual scenario estimated that if human beings continued to consume more than nature was capable of providing, global economic collapse and precipitous population decline could occur by 2030.

Turner compared real-world data from 1970 to 2000 with the business-as-usual scenario. He found the predictions nearly matched the facts. “There is a very clear warning bell being rung here,” he says. “We are not on a sustainable trajectory.”
There is no doubt that the study carries with it its own agenda, as the Club of Rome includes members of the upper echelons of government and business (http://www.clubofrome.org/?p=2419) from around the world. Many have suspected that the organization exists as a mechanism to move forward with environmental, and thus social, governance of the world’s resources and population through U.N. initiatives like Agenda 21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM) and the carbon credit system of taxation, both of which do nothing but shift the wealth of the world into the hands of the elite few at the top of the literal food chain.
But, despite the ulterior motives of those involved in The Club of Rome, they’re not the only ones who have warned of catastrophe stemming from high population levels and unsustainable consumption. In the History Channel’s Prophets Of Doom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbcrZRAFhpI), Collapsenet’s Michael Ruppert (http://www.shtfplan.com/category/michael-ruppert)warned of a similar scenario and one which suggests that, while oil may still be available in the future, the costs will be so prohibitive that it will be impossible for human civilization to maintain its current levels of consumption. According to Ruppert, the last great bubble to pop will be the human population bubble (http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/bursting-of-the-human-population-bubble_06052010).
Other resource issues that have come to light in recent years include the availability of fresh water, as well as the productive capacity of our current agricultural system. Since all of our natural resources are interdependent, a break down in one, like for example the globe’s oil production system, would make it impossible for farmers to grow food, or for trucks to transport it. The same holds true for fresh water, which is essential not only to human life, but for oil exploration, refining operations, food production and a host of other industries essential to human civilization.
By all accounts, we have developed a system of consumption that truly is unsustainable in the long-term. While the Club of Rome and similar organizations purport to act in the best interests of humanity, nearly fifty years of solutions have yielded nothing but more problems and have brought us ever closer to the ultimate breaking point, one which promises to wipe out potentially billions of people in its wake.
An additional consideration which the MIT research study may have touched on but does not look to as a direct potential cause for global calamity is the breakdown of society as a result of unsustainable political, financial, and monetary machinations – something which benevolent members of organizations like The Club of Rome may have been complicit in creating.
There is a strong case to be made that the issuance of trillions of dollars in debt over the course of the last several decades, much like oil, will become impossible to sustain. Since the entire system of consumption is essentially based on this debt, if confidence in this system is lost, it may very well have the same initial effect as a peak oil breaking point. Debt, even when fabricated out of thin air, is essentially a promise tied to some sort of resource. It is based on the idea that something will eventually be created by someone in order to make good on the debt. By all accounts, we the people are the collateral for all of this debt floating our in the system. But, it has gotten to the point that the debt – somewhere in the range of $200 trillion in the United States (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-real-u-s-government-debt-is-much-worse-than-you-think_102010) alone – far outweighs our ability to harness enough time and energy to repay the principal with interest.
Thus, this ‘peak debt’ created to save us from the unsustainable resource practices we face should be just as big of a concern as peak oil or water. Because when we finally reach the limit of our debt, and it becomes clear that the collateral backing that debt is unable to produce enough yield to pay it back, we’ll have a whole new meaning for the term ‘collateral damage.’
With seven billion people on the planet, the system as it is currently managed can’t possibility continue to support the daily needs of the world’s population indefinitely. The solutions that have been presented over the course of the last half century fall far short of providing any meaningful results, despite the treasure spent and liberty stripped.
Slowly but surely we are approaching Peak Civilization, and when that bubble pops we’ll see the ‘crash’ manifest in the form of famine, disease and global conflict.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/04/05/peak-civilization-mit-predicts-global-economic-collapse-2030-113991/

Serpo
13th April 2012, 03:45 AM
Basically the world running on their stupid system will implode and thats because it is a faulty system.

Sustainable living is just that sustainable for a long time into the future.

Living beyond your means must collapse eventually.

All it really is ,is the collapse of greed.

Spectrism
13th April 2012, 05:02 AM
Everyone can see some of the trees. The forest is founded on the fallen nature of man. Or, more accurately, the world is cursed because of the choices of man and it is made a fit- albeit temporary, habitation for man. There was a beginning and there will be an end for people and things here.

All the charts and projections with partial understandings will do nothing for the reality that is us. We can't even predict the weather 4 days out.... but we have charts showing us doom in 2030? We have doom now. I will bet a silver ounce that more than half of the people on this forum will be dead before 2016. (And I am being optimistic.) I am not looking at charts or projections to come up with that bold (and seemingly hypocritical) statement. Doom is already here. It has been knocking at the door and warning that it would come in unless we changed. We did not change for good. We actually got worse. We opened the door and corporately mocked doom. I think the patience has run out. This is now April 13. Within 3 months you will see what I mean.

PlatinumBlonde
13th April 2012, 06:24 AM
Basically the world running on their stupid system will implode and thats because it is a faulty system.

Sustainable living is just that sustainable for a long time into the future.

Living beyond your means must collapse eventually.

All it really is ,is the collapse of greed.

The collapse is not for the cuurent elites, it's for us.

Get rid of the elites and I bet we don't collapse..

madfranks
13th April 2012, 07:42 AM
The cause of the collapse is the choice to take more than you give.

It depends on how you define "taking more than you give". In voluntary trades between two parties, both of them believe they are getting the better part of the deal, otherwise no deal would be made. For instance, the baker who trades his bread for the fisherman's fish. Each one values the other commodity more than the other, and both of them are trading something worth less to them for something worth more to them. In effect, each one of them is taking more than they're giving, but it mutually benefits them both and makes them all richer for it.

midnight rambler
13th April 2012, 07:45 AM
Long lost Ponce and Twisted Kitty showing up in posts #1 and #2 - hot damn, it IS the end of the world!

keehah
13th April 2012, 08:43 AM
No it is not the end of the world. Many need not die.

Just the nearing mathmatical inevitable collapse stage of our fiat financial system.

As the OP supports, the focus on maintaning this financial system can cause impacting degradation of the planet's support of us in the next few decades (now!).

We have the resources to support our current population if we get more efficient with resource consumption.

The Earth Is Full, By Paul Gilding (http://carolynbaker.net/2012/04/08/the-earth-is-full-by-paul-gilding/)
APRIL 8TH, 2012

The eminent scientists of the Global Footprint Network, for example, calculate that we need about 1.5 Earths to sustain this economy. In other words, to keep operating at our current level, we need 50% more Earth than we’ve got.

In financial terms, this would be like always spending 50% more than you earn, going further into debt every year. But of course, you can’t borrow natural resources [or have fiat bankers create it from nothing! -k], so we’re burning through our capital, or stealing from the future.

While they use different words, leaders and experts around the world are acknowledging this. Chinese Environment Minister Zhou Shengxian said last year, “The depletion, deterioration and exhaustion of resources and the worsening ecological environment have become bottlenecks and grave impediments to (our) economic and social development.” If I had said that in the ’90s, when I was the global head of Greenpeace, it would have been dismissed as doom-and-gloom extremism!

Even the previous heresy, that economic growth has limits, is on the table. Belief in infinite growth on a finite planet was always irrational, but it is the nature of denial to ignore hard evidence. Now denial is evaporating, even in the financial markets. As influential fund manager Jeremy Grantham of GMO says: “The fact is that no compound growth is sustainable. If we maintain our desperate focus on growth, we will run out of everything and crash.” Or as peak oil expert Richard Heinberg argues, we are moving beyond peak oil and into “peak everything.”

Despite this emerging understanding, the growth concept is so deeply ingrained in our thinking that we will keep pushing economic growth as hard as we can, at whatever cost is required.

As a result, the crisis will be big, it will be soon, and it will be economic, not environmental. The fact is the planet will take further bludgeoning, further depleting its capital, but the economy cannot — so we’ll respond not because the environment is under great threat, but because the science and economics shows that something far more important to us is jeopardized — economic growth.

horseshoe3
13th April 2012, 08:57 AM
It depends on how you define "taking more than you give". In voluntary trades between two parties, both of them believe they are getting the better part of the deal, otherwise no deal would be made. For instance, the baker who trades his bread for the fisherman's fish. Each one values the other commodity more than the other, and both of them are trading something worth less to them for something worth more to them. In effect, each one of them is taking more than they're giving, but it mutually benefits them both and makes them all richer for it.

Law of diminishing marginal utility. The baker has more bread than he wants to eat. One loaf more or less doesn't matter to him. But he has no fish and he wants fish for supper tonight. Same thing for the fisherman.

A third party may value a fish or a loaf of bread equally, but the more you have of something, the less valuable the next one becomes... except gold. Gold is exempt from the law of diminishing marginal utility. Why? Because gold is whatever you want it to be.

Hatha Sunahara
13th April 2012, 09:03 AM
Welcome back Ponce. We all knew you couldn't keep yourself away from this place. It was just a matter of time.


Hatha

ShortJohnSilver
13th April 2012, 09:26 AM
I get HyperKitty a little more now, than I did before....

Yes, the current system needs to die, but not all the people need to die. We can feed and house and work but will have to do it more efficiently.

General of Darkness
13th April 2012, 10:44 AM
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