speeding? instant ticket by mail after 2015. black boxes are coming.

[chad]

when this passes, all cars after 2015 will have a black box in them. real-time uploads to big brother. how fast you're driving, where you're driving, if you tampered with emissions systems on the car, etc.

scroll to section 31406:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text

this has already passed the senate and is expected to overwhelmingly pass the house.

oh, and that creepy as fuck mason eye is back on my browser tab now.

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a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.

(2) PENALTY- The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations--

(A) shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code;

(B) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and

(C) shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title.

(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-

(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.

(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--

(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;

(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;

(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or

(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

(c) Report to Congress- Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include--

(1) the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders;

(2) the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record;

(3) the additional safety benefit such information would yield;

(4) the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements;

(5) an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy;

(6) a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder;

(7) an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks.

(d) Revised Requirements for Event Data Recorders- Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule--

(1) shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover;

(2) shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format;

(3) shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and

(4) may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis.

(e) Disclosure of Existence and Purpose of Event Data Recorder- The rule issued under subsection (d) shall require that any owner’s manual or similar documentation provided to the first purchaser of a passenger motor vehicle for purposes other than resale--

(1) disclose that the vehicle is equipped with such a data recorder; and

(2) explain the purpose of the data recorder.

(f) Access to Event Data Recorders in Agency Investigations- Section 30166(c)(3)(C) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by inserting ‘, including any electronic data contained within the vehicle’s diagnostic system or event data recorder’ after ‘equipment.’

(g) Deadline for Rulemaking- The Secretary shall issue a final rule under subsection (d) not later than 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act.

[mamboni]

People will resist this by keeping their present car longer or buying pre-blackbox used cars. New car sales will implode if this passes.

[chad]

i've been thinking on this. it's a dream fund raiser.

speeding? automatic ticket.

oxygen sensor broken, but you just ignored it and drove around with the check engine light on? environmental fine.

oh, you commute 60 miles one way to work? that's in excess of what the green czar said a reasonable commute should be, carbon fine.

tire air sensors reporting low air pressure? you're wasting fuel efficiency & gas, carbon fine.

didn't put your seatbelt on until AFTER you puled out on to a public road? seatbelt fine.

the possibilies are endless.

[Quad66]

I have long suspected that guns would eventually replace automobiles as the primary “symbols of freedom,” (and status) in the hearts and minds of American males.

As driving becomes more automated, restricted, and monitored, i.e., boring, look for performance, luxury, and status-oriented vehicles to be increasingly marketed as fashion accessories aimed at women, while men begin to view (and purchase) automobiles as strictly utilitarian transportation devices.

And look for another major push to get older vehicles off the road.

[zap]

So if your going to buy a new car do it in 2014.

[LuckyStrike]

I have long suspected that guns would eventually replace automobiles as the primary “symbols of freedom,” (and status) in the hearts and minds of American males.

As driving becomes more automated, restricted, and monitored, i.e., boring, look for performance, luxury, and status-oriented vehicles to be increasingly marketed as fashion accessories aimed at women, while men begin to view (and purchase) automobiles as strictly utilitarian transportation devices.

And look for another major push to get older vehicles off the road.

Reminds me of this

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/04/05/freedom-is-a-smoky-burnout-but-not-for-long/

[milehi]

I would be in the poor house if I had an addiction to steep, twisty, off camber mountain highways, lonely stretches of desert, and blistering fast cars. Ha ha.

[Uncle Salty]

So if your going to buy a new car do it in 2014.

Many cars already have the block boxes. This bill just makes them mandatory.

[Twisted Titan]

Cars from 1997 and older will soon be in demand like you can't imagine

[PlatinumBlonde]

Cars from 1997 and older will soon be in demand like you can't imagine

Which is why I treat my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee like a baby..

[PlatinumBlonde]

i've been thinking on this. it's a dream fund raiser.

speeding? automatic ticket.

oxygen sensor broken, but you just ignored it and drove around with the check engine light on? environmental fine.

oh, you commute 60 miles one way to work? that's in excess of what the green czar said a reasonable commute should be, carbon fine.

tire air sensors reporting low air pressure? you're wasting fuel efficiency & gas, carbon fine.

didn't put your seatbelt on until AFTER you puled out on to a public road? seatbelt fine.

the possibilies are endless.

We all need to face the reality where we are at the point where there is one thing and one thing only that will end this insanity..

[chad]

Also, this will have the added effect of freeing law enforcement up from writing pesky traffic tickets. They will have lots of free time to play soldier.

[mamboni]

Cars from 1997 and older will soon be in demand like you can't imagine

Why 1997? Is that when they started installing the black boxes in select models?

[iOWNme]

Why 1997? Is that when they started installing the black boxes in select models?

1997 is the first year of OBDII, and actually i think its 1996...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

[SLV^GLD]

I have a 1996 Honda Accord with OBDII, my understanding is that there is no significant difference between that car and the 1995 model.

[Ash_Williams]

Cops are still going to be the ones giving tickets. They dedicate most of their manpower to it. It's cushy and safe and they'll come up with all sorts of reasons why they can't be replaced by a black box.

[Ares]

It will be hacked, I have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, There isn't a "black box" in the vehicle. I have picked up an OBDII data reader and notice that it can only record events that trigger a malfunction. Like say a transmission that doesn't shift correctly, an engine trouble code triggered a check engine light etc.. It records the incident only. I can't seem to find anything else that is recorded anywhere in the system, and I've dug pretty deep into it. Now if they are wanting to institute data recorders into the vehicle which is what this legislation looks like. If I get a new vehicle I'll just have to make some "modifications" to how it thinks it's recording.

Vehicle computer systems are extremely basic and are programmed in assembly code (machine language) It doesn't take long to figure out let alone modify.

[Ash_Williams]

Anything OBDII does in a 96, the 95 version of the same car likely does as well. It's just a standardized interface and set of codes across all makes so you no longer need a manufacturer-specific cable and decoder to read the information. Before that we had expensive readers and you'd have to buy the bmw kit to read bmws, or the japanese kit to read toyota and honda (the kit was cable(s) and software). Now you can just pick up an ODBII scanner for $50 and it'll give you basic information on any car.

[BrewTech]

1997 is the first year of OBDII, and actually i think its 1996...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

1996... a magical year.

[BrewTech]

It will be hacked, I have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, There isn't a "black box" in the vehicle. I have picked up an OBDII data reader and notice that it can only record events that trigger a malfunction. Like say a transmission that doesn't shift correctly, an engine trouble code triggered a check engine light etc.. It records the incident only. I can't seem to find anything else that is recorded anywhere in the system, and I've dug pretty deep into it. Now if they are wanting to institute data recorders into the vehicle which is what this legislation looks like. If I get a new vehicle I'll just have to make some "modifications" to how it thinks it's recording.

Vehicle computer systems are extremely basic and are programmed in assembly code (machine language) It doesn't take long to figure out let alone modify.

Most of this post is mistaken. Just saying.

And, yes, I am an expert in the subject matter.

[mamboni]

1996... a magical year.

Yeah! Anyone who bought a green monster that year is one lucky SOB!

[Ares]

Most of this post is mistaken. Just saying.

And, yes, I am an expert in the subject matter.

Please correct me where I am mistaken. :) If you can show me where to go within the ODBII system to see if there is other data recorded I would appreciate it.