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mick silver
22nd April 2012, 08:58 AM
i will say this one more time ... gas is not for the poor people no more ... http://www.thedailybell.com/3808/Time-Magazine-Predicts-Many-Cars-to-be-Unaffordable-by-2025 ...
Time Magazine Predicts Many Cars to be Unaffordable by 2025

Thursday, April 19, 2012 – by Staff Report
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Why Millions Won't Be Able to Afford Cars in the Future ... By 2025, the government will require an average fuel economy of 54.5 m.p.g. for cars and trucks sold in the U.S. To meet that requirement, automakers must focus on more efficient, technologically sophisticated cars that cost more upfront to build — and whose costs are ultimately passed along to consumers. How much more will these cars cost? And how many Americans will be priced out of owning a car as a result? These subjects are up for debate, and there's no shortage of projections. – Time magazine
Dominant Social Theme: If cars are unaffordable, at least they won't be polluting.
Free-Market Analysis: We've been tracking the Western war on cars and this article in Time magazine raises the offensive a notch. The idea is that by making cars electric, you limit range and utility.
But this article suggests that cars simply will be legislated out of existence for many. Its argument is surprising as well because it treats government legislation as a force of nature, as if merely a fact of life and not an artificially created environment.
This would seem to be a promotion of sorts. The power elite (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=610');) has been growing more strident about regulatory control as what we call the Internet Reformation (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2195');) has made an ever-larger impact on its secretive domination.
By using dominant social themes (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=652');), the powers-that-be frighten middle classes into giving up power and control to global facilities like the UN (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1848');), IMF (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1823');) and World Bank (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1822');). But the Internet itself has revealed many of these strategies and compromised them.
The elites have struck back by creating additional chaos, in our view – war, economic difficulties and, of course, evermore Draconian regulation. This prediction about cars fits the latter confrontational approach.
The elites need a "green" economy for purposes of increased control. The ability to tax people for breathing (basically) is part of the apparatus of authoritarianism (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2606');) of the top elites, those dynastic banking families that want one-world government (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2045');).
They seek control over every part of people's lives, and controlling transportation is no doubt part of the program, a big part. Travel is something to be restricted and then doled out to favored individuals. Here's some more from the article:
Last summer, when officials were discussing the possibility of raising fuel-economy standards as high as 62 m.p.g., studies were released (by automaker interests) projecting that the price of a new car would cost nearly $10,000 more by 2025, after adjusting for inflation. Recently, USA Today, the Detroit News and others have cited data released by the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA), but they're reporting a wide range of forecasts as to how much new-car prices are expected to increase.
USA Today — and the New York Post and other outlets — give NADA data stating that car prices will be boosted by $2,937 in order to meet 2025 mileage requirements, and that the cheapest new car would cost about $15,700. (The Nissan Versa sedan, which gets 36 m.p.g. on the highway with a manual transmission, holds the current title of Cheapest Car Sold in the U.S., with a starting price of $10,990.) Such a price increase would make a new car unaffordable for 4.2 million low-income Americans — college students, working families — who would no longer qualify for financing.
The NADA-commissioned study offers a range of price increases, though. In a worst-case scenario, new-car prices could be hiked by as much as $12,349, which would result in 14.9 million households not being able to afford a car.
The dollar amounts are only part of the story. It's fairly clear that the US in particular – but other Western countries, too – are gradually restricting internal and international travel. The phony "war on terror (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1877');)" narrative provides the putative causation.
Over at the Alex Jones (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=3033');)'s sites today, an article entitled "Your Car Set To Become Part of ‘The Internet of Things’" tells us that a bill "already passed by the Senate and set to be ratified by the House not only mandates black box tracking devices in all new cars, it also orders the deployment of ‘vehicle to infrastructure’ communication systems."
The report explains this bureaucratic language means that "your vehicle will become part of ‘the Internet of things’ and will be open to constant real-time tracking, eavesdropping and surveillance." Senate Bill 1813, entitled ‘Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act’ (MAP-21), may be passed by the Republican-controlled House despite its Draconian implications.
We have also reported on this trend, which seems to be turning every usable household product into a tracking device. You can see an article on this issue here: Does the Market Really Want 'Smart Meter Version 2.0'? (http://thedailybell.com/3703/Does-the-Market-Really-Want-Smart-Meter-Version-20)
But there is no doubt that transportation is a big target for the elites. The combination of low-range electric cars and high environmental taxes are twin pincers squeezing people's ability to move around. A static population presumably is more easily cowed and controlled than one that is not.
We can see, via this maneuvering, just how patient and far-sighted the top elites really are. The conservation – "green" – message was put into play back in the 1960s, even earlier in the US when President Theodore Roosevelt first created national parks.
The cult of the green meme (http://javascript<b></b>:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=654');) has by now reached stupendous proportions but as the curtain comes down on the West with all its dankness and misery, the connivance begins to reveal itself. It was never about protecting the environment, or not in its more extreme applications. It was about preparing to control movement.
We don't think this future is feasible. The Internet Reformation is moving too quickly. As the elites react to the masses' growing understanding of their increasing manipulation, the regulatory, military and economic maneuvering grows more desperate and more outlandish.
Conclusion: And this further radicalizes those who are inclined to see already how absurd Western culture is becoming. This in turn creates feedback that further enlightens people. This is a problem for the elites, for finally their actions turn counterproductive to their unifying goals. We may be reaching that point

Ares
22nd April 2012, 08:59 AM
Don't you just love Government price controls disguised as "regulations"?

chad
22nd April 2012, 09:08 AM
most cars are unaffordable now if you understand how math works. only a retard would shell out $35,000 for something that will depreciate 60% in the first 4 years of owning it.

mamboni
22nd April 2012, 09:11 AM
most cars are unaffordable now if you understand how math works. only a retard would shell out $35,000 for something that will depreciate 60% in the first 4 years of owning it.

Damn! I'm really really retarded.

Old Herb Lady
22nd April 2012, 09:18 AM
Damn! I'm really really retarded.



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chad
22nd April 2012, 09:22 AM
Damn! I'm really really retarded.

you did it for your wife, not yourself ;)

palani
22nd April 2012, 09:50 AM
only a retard would shell out $35,000 for something that will depreciate 60% in the first 4 years of owning it.

Only a lunatic would shell out $35,000 for something and assign it to a state run trust in order to get a cheap metal plate to put on the front and back.

LuckyStrike
22nd April 2012, 03:01 PM
Someone asked me a few months ago if I could afford to buy a new BMW, I said define afford. Can I qualify for a loan on one? yes, can I pay cash for many models? yes, do I think I can afford one? No. I'd have to make a substantial amount of money to buy a brand new car.

I have a friend who paid 20k for a 1 year old kia suv, which to me is quite a lot for a used korean car. I see a lot of kia's and hyundais now and I think it's sad that that is what the middle class can now afford, I'm sure in another decade it will be chinese cars.


I agree to an extent with what chad said, but most things you buy depreciate, granted not as bad as automobiles but my main problems with new cars is not the price depreciation it's that fact that manufacturers basically hold back features in order to put them in the newer models to get you to buy that one. Just engineering things to not be quite as good as you could make it may make money, but the concept doesn't sit well with me.

Libertytree
22nd April 2012, 03:18 PM
2025........................?

LMAO! Folks in the real world can't really afford their crap now, or for the past few years for that matter.

solid
22nd April 2012, 03:37 PM
Years ago, I communicated with smart car out of the UK. I wanted one of their little diesels, that get 90+ miles per gallon. Their response, our 'standards' are too strict. Now, we get a different smart piece of shit car.

To .gov...you want cheap economic cars, let them in the damn country!! They are already out there.

What a bunch of BS.

Twisted Titan
23rd April 2012, 03:05 AM
This is utter hogwash


The three fastest ways to shackle a sheep is

Mortgage

School Loans

Car "Purchase"

They are not giving up that easy hook.........

cortez
23rd April 2012, 03:39 AM
i expect my 84 suburban silverado to still be kicking ass!!

Cebu_4_2
23rd April 2012, 04:58 AM
New cars shit, I got a 96 honda last year and I am fighting to get more then 32MPG. Have a new header/exhaust coming in this week in hopes to improve mileage (and stop stuff from falling off).

palani
23rd April 2012, 05:05 AM
New cars shit, I got a 96 honda last year and I am fighting to get more then 32MPG. Have a new header/exhaust coming in this week in hopes to improve mileage (and stop stuff from falling off).

Use Mobile One oil (or other synthetic) and get 5% better mileage.

FreeEnergy
23rd April 2012, 08:36 AM
Years ago, I communicated with smart car out of the UK. I wanted one of their little diesels, that get 90+ miles per gallon. Their response, our 'standards' are too strict. Now, we get a different smart piece of shit car.


Some folks who want eurpean versions of BMW buy it in Germany, ship to Canada to a shop that will retrofit to US regulations. People say you can save $5K in that operation as well.

keehah
26th September 2022, 11:12 AM
Good OP article mick posted.

their actions turn counterproductive to their unifying goals. We may be reaching that point

washingtontimes.com: Electric shock: Spike in U.K. energy prices push cost of running EVs above gas-powered cars (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/31/electric-shock-spike-uk-energy-prices-push-cost-ru/)

August 31, 2022
Charging electric vehicles in Britain soon will be more expensive than filling up gasoline-powered cars thanks to soaring electricity costs — an economic switcheroo that could be a harbinger of shrinking financial benefits for Americans who go green.

British energy regulators told electricity consumers to expect to pay 80% more beginning Oct. 1. The national price cap on residential electricity will send the average bill from about $190 per month to an estimated $343 per month, or more than $4,000 per year.

The shocking price hike stems from the nation’s limited reserves and Russia’s cutoff of one of the region’s major sources of electricity generation: natural gas...

“For the U.S., this actually gets to an underlying fallacy of a lot of people that are pushing electric vehicles: They assert electric vehicles are cheaper because they assume electricity prices are going to stay cheap,” Mr. Stein said. “You’re combining the increased demands on electricity. That means you’ve got to build a new generation.”..

British electricity prices will nearly double from about 33 cents per kilowatt-hour to 60 cents per kilowatt-hour, making electric vehicles cost more before and after owners drive them off the lot. The average electricity cost in the U.S. is less than 11 cents per kilowatt-hour, according to the Energy Information Administration.

With British electricity prices climbing and gasoline at roughly $7.40 per gallon, the owner of a $40,000 electric Kia Niro would spend more than $100 more to travel 400 miles than the owner of a $26,000 gas-powered Kia Sportage, according to an analysis by the Royal Automobile Club, the British equivalent of the AAA.

A $71,000 Jaguar I-PACE would cost nearly $115 more to go 400 miles than its gas-powered equivalent, the $52,000 Jaguar F-PACE.

London-based Electrifying.com has a slightly rosier outlook. It estimates that the average electric vehicle user now saves 27% on fuel, less than 75% a year ago. With the higher electricity prices, an electric Volkswagen ID.3 crossover that travels 10,000 miles per year will save $34 per month on fuel compared with the gas-powered VW Golf of a similar size.

The price jump of electricity will make the hardest impact on drivers who use public charging stations and pay higher energy taxes. Those who travel long distances or do not have access to an at-home charger will bear more of the burden. Electricity prices at public charging stations are cruising to almost 81 cents per kilowatt-hour...

The average electricity cost in California is one of the highest in the country at 18 cents per kilowatt-hour, according to EIA data from 2020, the most recent year available. Although California’s cost is almost 70% higher than the national average of 10.59 cents per kilowatt-hour, it is about one-third of the new British price.

Rising U.S. natural gas prices have increased electricity costs. In July, Americans’ electricity bills climbed to their highest levels since 2008 and were nearly 90% higher than the same time last year.

Natural gas is trading above $9 per million British thermal units. The price a year ago was about $3.50.