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Ares
25th April 2012, 05:29 AM
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Arizona lawmakers on Monday passed legislation demanding the U.S. government relinquish to the state millions of acres of federal territory, in the latest rekindling of a "sagebrush rebellion" over control of public lands in the West.

Without debate, the Republican-dominated Arizona House of Representatives easily passed a measure seeking the return of roughly 48,000 square miles of government-owned acreage in the Grand Canyon state by 2015.

The bill, approved on a 35-15 vote, now goes to the state Senate for final passage. Republican Governor Jan Brewer would then have five days once the bill reaches her desk to sign or veto it. Otherwise, the measure becomes law automatically.

Arizona would be the second state in the nation to enact such legislation. Last month, Utah Governor Gary Herbert signed a bill seeking to reclaim some 30 million acres of federally owned land in his state, shrugging off warnings from state attorneys that the measure was likely unconstitutional and would lead to a protracted yet futile legal battle.

Other Western legislatures are said to be weighing similar measures in what is shaping up as a new front in the decades-old conflict between the federal government and big public-land states over control of their resources.

The moves cap years of rising indignation among political conservatives in big Western states over that fact that vast tracts of their land mass are owned by various federal agencies, much of it by the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management. In Arizona, the U.S. government controls 42 percent of the land mass, compared with some 60 percent in Utah.

Proponents of the Arizona bill have complained that federal control puts too much land off-limits to commercial development such as mining, logging and livestock raising -- limiting the state's potential tax base for schools and other public services.

They see the government as too closely aligned with environmental groups, which largely oppose efforts by the so-called sagebrush rebels to loosen federal controls. Conservationists say less federal management would lead to degradation of the land and its wildlife while allowing a virtual giveaway of publicly owned natural resources.

"All of these federal agencies have been infiltrated by extreme environmentalists and have almost killed off what Arizona was built on - lumber, mining and ranching," said Republican state Senator Al Melvin, the bill's chief sponsor. "It's wrong and it's happening all over the West. We are bound and determined to put it to an end to this."

Under the bill, the state would seek title to most of the state's federal acreage, including national monuments, national forests and national wildlife refuges. Military bases and national parks would be exempt, as would Indian reservations.

The bill also would allow Arizona to sell off the land it receives, retaining 5 percent of the net proceeds, with the rest going to the federal government.

Critics blasted the measure, saying that its sponsors are out of touch with most of Arizona's voters.

"These lands belong to all of us, as Americans, and to future generations of Americans," said Sandy Bahr, director of the Sierra Club's Grand Canyon chapter. "Senator Melvin's bill is a short-sighted selfish bill that would promote selling off our national heritage."

Bahr said the state already has done a "deplorable job" in managing its state parks and expects that it will do no better with federal public lands.

Melvin said at least four other states are reviewing similar efforts, including Colorado, Idaho, New Mexico and Wyoming.

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-house-votes-demand-return-federally-owned-lands-003506941.html

JohnQPublic
25th April 2012, 05:34 AM
Elect on Paul you dopes (speaking to the largely McCain supporting Arizonans).

Carl
25th April 2012, 07:39 AM
Arizona would be the second state in the nation to enact such legislation. Last month, Utah Governor Gary Herbert signed a bill seeking to reclaim some 30 million acres of federally owned land in his state, shrugging off warnings from state attorneys that the measure was likely unconstitutional and would lead to a protracted yet futile legal battle.

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings

Unless it is for a Fort, Magazine, Arsenal, Dockyard or Other Needful Building, the Federal Government has no constitutional "right" to property within any state, period.

States continue doing what they are accustomed to doing instead of doing what is right and lawful.

The Federal Government has no inherent "right" to anything within a state, it can only exercise the privileges the states allow.

palani
25th April 2012, 07:43 AM
The Federal Government has no inherent "right" to anything within a state

Not a universally correct statement. The federal government has an inherent right to regulate their "things" within a state ... aka "U.S. citizens".

vacuum
25th April 2012, 07:46 AM
I'm all for states rights, but I don't know if I agree with selling off public lands. We're talking about corporations buying up large swaths of land at probably very low prices.

iOWNme
25th April 2012, 08:09 AM
Bill Cooper figured out that AZ State Law requires 2 things to happen for a State to lawfully secede land to the Feds:

1- The land MUST be seceded through the State Legislature
2 -The land MUST be paid for by the Feds to the State.


Cooper sued the IRS in the State of AZ and found out that all of the IRS offices are on STOLEN land. The land has NEVER been Lawfully seceded to the Feds for these buildings.

He was shot and killed less than a year later.

Carl
25th April 2012, 08:13 AM
I'm all for states rights, but I don't know if I agree with selling off public lands. We're talking about corporations buying up large swaths of land at probably very low prices. Once the territory became a member Constitutional State, the Federal Government relinquished its territorial authority over the disposal of lands formerly held. They are still public lands held by the respective state, which retains the authority over its disposition, the Federal Government has no lawful say in the matter.

osoab
25th April 2012, 08:28 AM
Arizona sold off it's capitol building just to lease it back if y'all had forgot.

The States' Stupid Budget Tricks (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=arizona%20leases%20it%27s%20capitol%20building&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.governing.com%2Fcolumns%2Fsma rt-mgmt%2FThe-States-Stupid-Budget.html&ei=nheYT9WBKcT1ggfC56zRBg&usg=AFQjCNHjBhDVffYkGRlQEhNBkplTzMcLTQ&cad=rja)

Arizona Wants to Buy Back State Capitol It Inexplicably Sold (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/arizona-wants-buy-back-state-capitol-it-inexplicably-sold)