Blogging About the Paleo Diet Can Get You Shut Down in North Carolina

[Ares]

The state of North Carolina has its own "Board of Dietetics and Nutrition"--of course it does--and it has decided that one bloggers right to free speech ends where the North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition's officious overbearingness begins, as I think Oliver Wendell Holmes (or was it Oliver Wendell Douglas?) once wrote.

Here's the naughty bits, as reported in Carolina Journal:

[When] Steve Cooksey...was hospitalized with diabetes in February 2009, he decided to avoid the fate of his grandmother, who eventually died of the disease. He embraced the low-carb, high-protein Paleo diet, also known as the “caveman” or “hunter-gatherer” diet. The diet, he said, made him drug- and insulin-free within 30 days. By May of that year, he had lost 45 pounds and decided to start a blog about his success.

But this past January the state diatetics and nutrition board decided Cooksey’s blog — Diabetes-Warrior.net — violated state law. The nutritional advice Cooksey provides on the site amounts to “practicing nutrition,” the board’s director says, and in North Carolina that’s something you need a license to do.

Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail.

The board’s director says Cooksey has a First Amendment right to blog about his diet, but he can’t encourage others to adopt it unless the state has certified him as a dietitian or nutritionist.

Seems he came to their attention after contradicting a local hospital's director of diabetes services at a local meeting, and handing out cards about his site. What did the Board find objectionable about Cooksey's site?

Cooksey posted a link (6.3 MB PDF download) to the board’s review of his website. The document shows several Web pages the board took issue with, including a question-and-answer page, which the director had marked in red ink noting the places he was “assessing and counseling” readers of his blog.

“If people are writing you with diabetic specific questions and you are responding, you are no longer just providing information — you are counseling,” she wrote. “You need a license to provide this service."

The board also found fault with a page titled “My Meal Plan,” where Cooksey details what he eats daily.

In red, [Dietetics and Nutrition Board director] Burril writes, “It is acceptable to provide just this information [his meal plan], but when you start recommending it directly to people you speak to or who write you, you are now providing diabetic counseling, which requires a license.”

The board also directed Cooksey to remove a link offering one-on-one support, a personal-training type of service he offered for a small fee.

Cooksey posts the following disclaimer at the bottom of every page on his website:

“I am not a doctor, dietitian, nor nutritionist … in fact I have no medical training of any kind.”

The bureaucrat speaks!

Charla Burill, the board’s director, told Carolina Journal she could not discuss the details of Cooksey’s case because his website is still under investigation, but agreed to talk about the law in the hypothetical....

Burill said [Cooksey's] disclaimer may not protect a nutrition blogger from the law.

“If I’ve given you reason to not worry that I don’t have a license because I have all these other reasons I’m an expert, you could still harm the public,” she said. “At least you’re not trying to mislead the public, but you’re trying to get the public to trust you.”....

Burill said if Cooksey refuses to come into compliance with the law, the board could file for an injunction.

The paleo diet--a passionate fad and/or lifestyle change of an enormous number of folk I know concentrated in the world's of libertarianism, futurism, space, and your basic "new digital economy" (does that still exist?) and the places where all those interests intersect--may or may not save you from diabetes, give you the pep you need, or revert you back down the evolutionary chain, or whatever it's supposed to do.

But that someone should be able to describe his experiences with it and advocate for his own good results should go without saying, though my saying that may well contradict a directive of the California Board of Going Without Saying.

The board's review of Cooksey's site. in remarkably official-looking pen scrawls in margins of a printout of the site.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/23/blogging-about-the-paleo-diet-can-get-yo

[Shami-Amourae]

More evidence that the paleo-diet works. I just switched to it recently. Hopefully it's correct. So far I've had positive results.

[steyr_m]

More evidence that the paleo-diet works. I just switched to it recently. Hopefully it's correct. So far I've had positive results.

I did a couple years ago too -- lost 30 pounds effortlessly. I'm not 100% adherent -- I still drink wine and beer, so I'm not extremely lean.

I agree, it's proof that it works when the Communist USA starts shutting stuff like this down.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Can't the guy just put a disclaimer on his site stating this is his opinion and he is not a licensed practitioner?

???

[Son-of-Liberty]

A paleo type diet is the way to go. The establishment doesn't like it not because people lose weight but because it is the healthiest diet overall and people that eat well will not need pharmaceuticals.

The other thing about the paleo movement is that most adherents are concerned with food quality so they buy local and organic, cutting out big agra.

I don't follow a strict paleo diet myself because I have no food sensitivities or health issues but I still probably either produce or purchase locally about 70% of my food intake. To many people adopting a lifestyle like this are a danger to the big pharma and big agra.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Can't the guy just put a disclaimer on his site stating this is his opinion and he is not a licensed practitioner?

???

That's what I would think. He should just do that and if they still have a problem he can tell them to shove it as it is freedom of speech.

[Ares]

Can't the guy just put a disclaimer on his site stating this is his opinion and he is not a licensed practitioner?

???

That was addressed in the article "Burill said [Cooksey's] disclaimer may not protect a nutrition blogger from the law.

“If I’ve given you reason to not worry that I don’t have a license because I have all these other reasons I’m an expert, you could still harm the public,” she said. “At least you’re not trying to mislead the public, but you’re trying to get the public to trust you.”....

[DMac]

This is insane.

[Heimdhal]

I've been strongly considering the paleo diet. However, I'm a baker (by trade and at heart) and grains and dairy have a very special place in my kitchen that will be extreamly hard to give up. Also, when you get the munchies late at night, grains seem to be the main object of attraction, lol.


I also have a little issue with the paleo diet. I had take a good chunk of nutrition in college so Im not totaly dumb on the subject. Paleo seems to cut out significantly more fat than it should. I get the idea is to be nearly fat free, which is great from a "fitness" standard, however its hard to ignore the fact that adaptation of the human brain lept significantly in the begining of agrarian society.

Unfortunatley, this is where grains became a staple and that IS a problem, but most dairy, in moderation, is NOT the enemy. Processed and modern big agri dairy is NOT the same as free range, grass fed, dairy. Its an entirley different fat and protein content. Fats and proteins feed the brain and our bodies process them pretty well (animal versions, that is). Proteins also process carbs.

Just my .02 worth on my casual glance at the paleo diet. I havent looked into it entirley though, so they may allow a little cheating, I dunno, but every paleo I've ever met has looked at dairy and fats as their mortal enemy.

[Shami-Amourae]

You can have grains on the paleo diet, you just have to treat them properly. This means sprouting then fermenting:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6aR5npHyY

Even with other animals, their stomachs ferment the shit out of grains before they start digesting them. Humans have a very simple digestive system in comparison, and there isn't really much of any fermentation, so grains as we know and love them are pretty much bad for you.

Sally Fallon is the head of the Weston Price Foundation, which primarily advocates the paleo-diet.

[Ares]

I've been strongly considering the paleo diet. However, I'm a baker (by trade and at heart) and grains and dairy have a very special place in my kitchen that will be extreamly hard to give up. Also, when you get the munchies late at night, grains seem to be the main object of attraction, lol.


I also have a little issue with the paleo diet. I had take a good chunk of nutrition in college so Im not totaly dumb on the subject. Paleo seems to cut out significantly more fat than it should. I get the idea is to be nearly fat free, which is great from a "fitness" standard, however its hard to ignore the fact that adaptation of the human brain lept significantly in the begining of agrarian society.

Unfortunatley, this is where grains became a staple and that IS a problem, but most dairy, in moderation, is NOT the enemy. Processed and modern big agri dairy is NOT the same as free range, grass fed, dairy. Its an entirley different fat and protein content. Fats and proteins feed the brain and our bodies process them pretty well (animal versions, that is). Proteins also process carbs.

Just my .02 worth on my casual glance at the paleo diet. I havent looked into it entirley though, so they may allow a little cheating, I dunno, but every paleo I've ever met has looked at dairy and fats as their mortal enemy.

I think you're mistaken, the Paleo diet consist of about 50-60% saturated fat by calories. I've done it a couple times and lose body fat every time I do it. But it's extremely difficult to adhere too.

[Heimdhal]

Yes, thats exactly the problem. Humans have a very simple digestive system because we have learned, with superior brains power (yay!) to eat things we process most efficiently, and that is meat, and even better, organ meats. We dont do as well with plants, but some plants obviously are better than others. The long digestive process of most herbivores (including the internal fermentation) is what gives them the ability to eat things like grass and leaves, which humans just cant process near at all. Grains are closer to that type of plant.

But damn do I loooove grains and salty meat. Im also skeptical on the "no salt" thing, too, but thats a whole other thing as well.

[Shami-Amourae]

You can have salt. Some people on the paleo-diet advocate no salt, but most of the experts on it I've researched from actually encourage salt, as long as it's from natural sources (sea salt, celtic salt, or himalayan salt.) I posted a video about it on my YouTube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNP_QOWxoDk

So far my gums have healed, I no longer have any tooth sensitivity, and my cavity hole seems a bit smaller (it may be just me though.) I used to have sore spots all over my gumlines since they were receding, but that is completely recovered now. My gums are bright pink, and a month ago they were reddish. I no longer bleed when I floss my teeth. When I wake up in the morning I have absolutely no bad breath. My mouth feels as clean when I wake up as when I go to bed. This has NEVER happened before since I used to always wake up with very bad breath.

So far so good, but it hasn't completely cured the cavity yet. I'll probably need 5 more months or so, but I'm happy with the results so far.

I still haven't fully implemented the diet either. I'm currently consuming raw milk, raw milk cheese, fermented cod liver oil, raw butter, grass-fed beef, calves liver, fish eyes/heads/brains/guts/bones, bone broth, avoiding sugar, and avoiding grains. I brush now with tooth powder (glycerin in tooth paste demineralizes your teeth and should be avoided like fluoride), and rinse with essential oils instead of alcohol based mouthwash. I'm going to start eating bone marrow and raw sauerkraut pretty soon.

[Heimdhal]

I think you're mistaken, the Paleo diet consist of about 50-60% saturated fat by calories. I've done it a couple times and lose body fat every time I do it. But it's extremely difficult to adhere too.

TY. I guess the few I've talked about it are like hardcore anti fat people, lol. Like I said, I hadnt looked into it much myself simply because of no interest, but Im starting to hear about success from more and more people so its taken my interest.

[steyr_m]

I also have a little issue with the paleo diet. I had take a good chunk of nutrition in college so Im not totaly dumb on the subject. Paleo seems to cut out significantly more fat than it should. I get the idea is to be nearly fat free, which is great from a "fitness" standard, however its hard to ignore the fact that adaptation of the human brain lept significantly in the begining of agrarian society. .

Be wary of Conventional Wisdom a classically trained Nutritionist will tell you to eat 60-70% of your diet in grains [and you should listen to me because I have the college degree]

Paleo wants you to consume lots of natural healthy fats http://www.marksdailyapple.com/introducing-the-new-primal-blueprint-food-pyramid/

[horseshoe3]

You have to get calories from somewhere. The vast majority will come from a combination of sugar and fat. The only practical way to reduce sugar is to increase fat at the same time. People get hung up on fat as being unhealthy, and it can be if it contributes to too many calories in the diet. However, the first place to cut back is sugars. When you do that, you will probably find that you still get enough calories from the fat you currently eat. If not, eat more fat. A lot of good things are delivered to your body in fat.

[iOWNme]

Humans have a very simple digestive system because we have learned, with superior brains power (yay!) to eat things we process most efficiently, and that is meat, and even better, organ meats. We dont do as well with plants, but some plants obviously are better than others. The long digestive process of most herbivores (including the internal fermentation) is what gives them the ability to eat things like grass and leaves, which humans just cant process near at all. Grains are closer to that type of plant.



If you look at the length of the human intestine it is many times longer than animals who eat mostly meat.

The way i understood it, Herbivores have reletively longer intestinal tracts but more of the fermentaion acids. (can process longer) Carnivores have generally a shorter intestinal tract and less of the breakdown acids. (Can only prcess so much) This is why to much red meat kills men via the colon.

Look at your teeth and finger nails and tell me you were designed to eat meat.

I have a close friend who is on the paleo diet and has been for about 3 years. He loves it and is very healthy.

[Canadian-guerilla]

next ?

all the " foraging / wild edibles " blogs


GOV'T - " natural & free " is bad for you

[Osiris]

Wow! Taking out all responsibility! What document did I sign or did my parents sign for me that said I can't use my brain and decide whether or not I want to take someones advice or experiences and use them on my own? I'm surprised Ben Fuchs show is still on air... Maybe because he is a pharmacist and has a license they leave him alone?

[lapis]

I've been strongly considering the paleo diet. However, I'm a baker (by trade and at heart) and grains and dairy have a very special place in my kitchen that will be extreamly hard to give up.

If you don't have any health issues or weight gain with consuming grains and dairy, then you probably don't have to worry about it.


I dunno, but every paleo I've ever met has looked at dairy and fats as their mortal enemy.The strict paleo people are like that (for example, paleo author Ray Audette (http://www.neanderthin.com/site/what.htm)), but there's also people who are into a primal diet, like Mark Sisson from the Mark's Daily Apple site cited above.

A lot of them do dairy as long as it doesn't cause health issues or weight gain.

I think paleo and primal are great for solving health problems, but I also think that we should be able to eat fermented grains and good dairy products absent any allergies.

It seems like a lot of people who aren't allergic are having trouble with these foods, and this points to digestive problems and/or nutritional deficiencies.

[lapis]

The state of North Carolina has its own "Board of Dietetics and Nutrition"--of course it does--and it has decided that one bloggers right to free speech ends where the North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition's officious overbearingness begins, as I think Oliver Wendell Holmes (or was it Oliver Wendell Douglas?) once wrote.

Unfortunately this is not just a problem in North Carolina. The former American Dietetic Association is sponsoring legislation in 40 states to control who is allowed to give nutrition advice:

Is the American Dietetic Association Attempting to Limit Market Competition in Nutrition Counseling? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelellsberg/2012/04/05/american-dietetic-association/)

Through a series of bills it is supporting and lobbying for, the nation’s professional association of dietitians, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (http://www.eatright.org/)—generally known to the public by its old name, the American Dietetic Association—appears to be gaining legal control over who may provide nutrition counseling in a professional context. The effort also extends through a series of certification trademarks for which the Academy has recently applied. [Snip]

[Black Blade]

I pretty much live the paleo diet.

http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousmetals.yuku.com/reply/28147/Paleo-Diet-Including-Pemmican-and-Jerky#reply-28147

A couple good books:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/cba26b016ddfdc31d2cb45d86d719b4a8c6e4375_r.jpg http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/d041641ddcc6dcb6d1e27a7992f9d5f5b15a4778_r.jpg http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/f8826d11d1ddbc58d10b6fdf41fb47abe8d55c14_r.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGNZ6RDjlg&feature=player_embedded

[Son-of-Liberty]

I like Robb Wolfs View that you should eat a strict paleo diet for 30 days (no cheating) and see how you look, feel and perform. If it isn't working for you then you have only wasted a month. If you do respond well then you start to re-introduce prohibited foods one at a time and see what the consequences are. You may find that you are sensitive to some foods (like wheat) but not sensitive to others.

I am not sensitive to much myself but I do find that I am leaner and still perform well (I do powerlifting) when I am adhering more to the diet.

Even when I am not following it well I am still eating pretty good though. Maybe have grains 2-3x a week (instead of 2+ times a day for most people) and dairy (cream in coffee or quality cheese) 1-2 a day. But even when I am treating myself like this I am still not eating processed crap. A lot of it comes down to food quality. We even make most of our condiments from scratch so we know what we are consuming.

I do not find adhering to this type of eating difficult. You just need to get the prohibited foods out of the house and find alternatives to them. For example when watching movies the girlfriend and I will indulge in gourmet olives, raw nuts, some fruit and maybe some kimchi and 85% dark chocolate instead of the more typical treats. We have replaced pop with high quality sparkling mineral water which we usually squeeze some fresh citrus of some sort into for flavor. Most of the cravings are psychological so you just need to give it some time to rewire your brain.

To address Heimdhal. A paleo diet is typically high fat, moderate to high protein, and lower in carbs. You can however play around with the macro ratios. If you want more carbs then you can eat more, sweat potatoes, yams, squash, fruit, and stuff like carrots and turnips and less fibrous greens and up you carb intake quite a bit. So it really is quite adaptable.

People will get into arguments about what constitutes paleo and bicker over trivial shit. Don't get caught up in it. All these people bickering over the fine details still have more in common with each other then they do with the mainstream. The main thing with paleo is you aren't eating any processed food really, and for the most part no sugar or grains.

A good place to start is:

http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/ -- just a note he does emphasize "lean meats" but I have heard him say on his podcast that it is only because the average person has been so indoctrinated that "saturated fat is bad" that he has to mislead people a little to get them to just give the diet a try. So fattier cuts of meat and whole eggs are OK.

[Heimdhal]

One of my biggest problems is portion size. This is actualy MOST peoples problems, in addition to eating crap (they usualy go hand in hand) outside of grains, I really dont eat a lot of crap and super processed foods. We cook most of our own meals, though latley we've been slacking. Last night we had sirloin steak with some left over snow crab clusters and mixed veggies. Thats a pretty standard meal for us (minus the crab), usualy theres rice, couscous or something involved too (grain).


But I digress, portion size is whats killing me. Getting the munchies at night doesnt help, but even during the day its just WAY to easy to over eat. I work at home and thats a big factor. Being near a kitchen all day and being a chef, its easy to see why Im so fat.

I think I'll try that strict paleo for a month thing and post my results when I'm done. Today was my first day of paleo. I had a bannana and coffee for breakfast. Im not a big fruit person, love veggies though. I wanted nothing more than a bagel and cream cheese with my coffee. I still do......

This is going to be hard.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm thinking the paleo diet is slightly different from the Weston Price diet (which I follow.) The Weston Price diet actually encourages large amounts of raw dairy products, and salt. Weston Price says to limit legumes (nuts), while Paleo says to have a lot of legumes.

Robb Wolf addresses this here:
http://robbwolf.com/2008/04/11/weston-price-vs-paleo/

I still think I will stick with the Weston Price diet for now as long as the positive results continue.

[Canadian-guerilla]

This is going to be hard.

discipline . . . . . . is remembering what you want

when i got hungry at the house
i'd head out to the bush and search/research for wild edilbles

and if i did eat anything, at least it was " natural & free "

[DMac]

i wanted nothing more than a bagel and cream cheese with my coffee.


adl plant!!!!

;)

[Heimdhal]

discipline . . . . . . is remembering what you want

when i got hungry at the house
i'd head out to the bush and search/research for wild edilbles

and if i did eat anything, at least it was " natural & free "

Yeah.....I have a major problem with discipline...ask K-Os or Liberty Tree, theyll tell ya. When it comes to food, I am a weak, weak man.

[Book]

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https://weinerman2.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/spam.jpg

Spam, egg, and cheddar sammich is as Paleo as it gets.

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[Shami-Amourae]

We can't have bread/grains unless they are sprouted + fermented. If it was sourdough it might be okay.

[horseshoe3]

One of my biggest problems is portion size. This is actualy MOST peoples problems,

Same here. My breakthrough in weight loss came when I realized that I should stop when I was satisfied, not when I was uncomfortable.

[Son-of-Liberty]

One of my biggest problems is portion size. This is actualy MOST peoples problems, in addition to eating crap (they usualy go hand in hand) outside of grains, I really dont eat a lot of crap and super processed foods. We cook most of our own meals, though latley we've been slacking. Last night we had sirloin steak with some left over snow crab clusters and mixed veggies. Thats a pretty standard meal for us (minus the crab), usualy theres rice, couscous or something involved too (grain).


But I digress, portion size is whats killing me. Getting the munchies at night doesnt help, but even during the day its just WAY to easy to over eat. I work at home and thats a big factor. Being near a kitchen all day and being a chef, its easy to see why Im so fat.

I think I'll try that strict paleo for a month thing and post my results when I'm done. Today was my first day of paleo. I had a bannana and coffee for breakfast. Im not a big fruit person, love veggies though. I wanted nothing more than a bagel and cream cheese with my coffee. I still do......

This is going to be hard.

Hey Heimdhal. Just another tip for you. A banana and coffee for breakfast is fine, it is paleo but it is going to leave you hungry right away and will test your will power. I would recommend eating something high in fat and protein for breakfast. Fat's and protein take longer to digest and will leave you feeling satisfied much longer then carbs. Save the piece of fruit for later in the day.

My top breakfast for not feeling hungry later would be 1tsp coconut oil in the pan and 6 whole large eggs scrambled with onion, pepper, spinach, and tomato. Melt oil, saute onion for a couple minutes add the pepper and cook for a couple more then add a handful of spinach and the 6 eggs. Just before the eggs are done add the tomato so it doesn't get overcooked and runny. If you eat the whole thing you likely won't be hungry by the time lunch rolls around.

This whole meal will have less then 600 calories and you can still have coffee with it.

[milehi]

I eat for my blood type, which is type O and mirrors the paleo diet. Type O is the oldest blood type so it makes sense. Since switching to this diet, I feel more alert and faster. My Achilllies Heel is beer however. I did cut out Hefeweizen though ha ha.

http://dadamo.com/

[Heimdhal]

I tried to go lean because I was avoiding all the other delicious things that are filling my house that I would normaly have for breakfast. We were all out of eggs, so looking around literaly the only thing in my house that was paleo that was ready to eat (not frozen meat, etc) was a Banana and some strawberries and carrots. lol.

[undgrd]

A baker out of eggs!?!?!

[Heimdhal]

You dont understand the level of egg consumption in this house. My 4 year old eats eggs like they're going out of style. Then we have three adults who also eat a goodly portion of eggs. An 18 pack last us under a week. We have to get our eggs from BJ's because between eating them straight and baking with them, we can literaly kill a couple dozen in no time flat.

Daughter ate the last egg last night :(

[Son-of-Liberty]

I'm going to one up you. We buy 6 dozen extra large eggs at the farmers market every Saturday and they are always gone before we go again. Just the girlfriend and I.

[sirgonzo420]

Yeah well I buy 12 dozen OSTRICH eggs every 3 days and I eat them myself.

My wife hates them.

She thinks I'm nuts for buying so many damn ostrich eggs.

The bitch of it is is that I have to drive out of state to get them.

With the gas and time factored in, they are actually pretty expensive eggs.

Come to think of it, I'm not really sure why I buy them, because they taste like shit.

[Son-of-Liberty]

YEAH well I am actually serious. My girlfriend eats more eggs then I do 6-7 every day. After a month or so of doing this she had her cholesterol checked and guess what? It was normal. Go figure.

[sirgonzo420]

YEAH well I am actually serious. My girlfriend eats more eggs then I do 6-7 every day. After a month or so of doing this she had her cholesterol checked and guess what? It was normal. Go figure.

Haha I figured you were serious. That's a good deal of eggs.

O.O

Do you have a supplier in-state? ;D

[Heimdhal]

yeah, that whole thing about "OMGZ, EGGZ WiLl kiLL YoU with Kolesteral!"........... yeah......


But yes, you do seem to eat a LOT of eggs! I like eggs, but yowzers, thats a lot of eggs. We all usualy have about 2 a day. Mostly my daughter and mother. So you figure 3-5 eggs a day in our house on average.

I'll be eating more now on this diet, so well have to start getting more. Not sure if I could do 6, thats a lot. I dont know if I like eggs THAT much, lol.

[Book]

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Paleo Gourmand



http://www.cavemanpower.com/images/caveman_emoticon.gif ...avoid grains, legumes, dairy, salt, refined sugar, and fatty humans

[Heimdhal]

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Paleo Gourmand



http://www.cavemanpower.com/images/caveman_emoticon.gif ...avoid grains, legumes, dairy, salt, refined sugar, and fatty humans

Hey now, Im a fatty human :P

[Shami-Amourae]

Just posted this on my YouTube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ehzZ3yNyw

[Heimdhal]

So, I've been doing the paleo strictly since Friday now (wow, 3 days, no way....).


Its not too difficult in a sense, because I already ate a lot of paleo-ish foods. I just happened to throw in a lot of NON paleo and big portion sizes.

What Im finding is trouble with snacks.

There seems to be two main camps in the paleo. One that suggests LOTS of fruits and nuts with meals and for snacks. And another that limits fruits and nuts significantly.

So, what do you other paleo's do? I am only stay super strict paleo for the first month. Thats my goal. No deviation at all. After one month, I'll see how everything is going and then slowly introduce some stuff back in (like some dairy [yogurt, real cheeses, etc] and certain grains, here or there].

My whole family on my moms side is diabetic like no ones business (both types). I've never tested bad on blood sugar, but I like to keep it in th eback of my mind. Therefore, I know nuts high in omega-6 should be limited not only for paleo, but for the diabetes. These are some of my favorites, like pecans, cashews, almonds, etc. Walnuts are good though, but Im mildly alergic :(

[gunDriller]

http://altmed.creighton.edu/Paleodiet/Foodlist.html

how come corn is not allowed in the Paleo diet ?

non-GMO corn seems like an "old" food, something our ancestors might have eaten in the pre-Monsanto days.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://altmed.creighton.edu/Paleodiet/Foodlist.html

how come corn is not allowed in the Paleo diet ?

non-GMO corn seems like an "old" food, something our ancestors might have eaten in the pre-Monsanto days.

Depends who you talk to. You can have pretty much any grain in the Weston Price diet (I'd avoid wheat), but you have to treat it properly. The ways grains are treated today in the West makes them dangerous for our health, but if treated properly, grains can be safe and nutritious. So to treat corn properly you would need to remove the bran and germ (remove the skin and lower white part of eat kernel, so you only have the interior yellow part of the kernel.)

The germ and bran in grains is supposedly poisonous to humans. There's this stuff in grains called phytic acid, and it acts as an anti-nutrient, blocking the absorption of nutrients in the body. One of the goals in dealing with grains is to reduce the amount of phytic acid as much as possible. Sprouting and fermentation helps lower the phytic acid content, and make grains more safe to eat.

http://newenergyandfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Corn-Kernel-Components.jpg

So you can see it's just a giant clusterfuck dealing with grains, so for this reason, many people in the Paleo movement simply avoid grains.

[lapis]

What Im finding is trouble with snacks.

There seems to be two main camps in the paleo. One that suggests LOTS of fruits and nuts with meals and for snacks. And another that limits fruits and nuts significantly.

So, what do you other paleo's do?

It depends on if they bother your digestion or make you gain weight. Most people can eat limited amounts of these foods unless they have blood sugar issues.

Lately I'm doing the Leptin Re-set as recommended by surgeon Dr. Jack Kruse (http://jackkruse.com/easy-start-guide/). He blogs a lot about people being leptin resistant.

The signs of this problem are: being overweight or having a poor body composition, having a large appetite and carb cravings. If you are fit but have elevated reverse T3 levels, then you probably have it too.

The "prescription" to re-set your hormones are these steps:

1) Eat 50 to 75 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking up.

2) Eat only three meals a day with no snacking in between. Eventually narrow it down to only two meals if you can. Eat only 25 to 50 grams of carbohydrates total per day, and no fruit or grains even in small amounts.

Allow 4 to 5 hours between meals and dinner and bedtime, and 10 to 12 hours between dinner and breakfast.

3) Start to dim your home's lights when the sun sets.

Use an app like f.lux for your computer, which reduces the blue light that the monitor gives off, or wear orange construction worker-type glasses which cuts out blue light (available at Wal-mart and Home Depot, I believe).

Aim to be asleep by 10 p.m.

4) DON'T exercise, unless you have trouble sleeping at night. Then you can do some body weight exercises like push-ups.
Do this for 4 to 6 weeks, or until you lose most of your weight and cravings and start to feel refreshed when you awaken in the morning, and your sweat patterns change (it takes a lot to make me perspire, which I've found out is a bad thing).

Once you are leptin sensitive again, start exercising with weights or doing HIIT workouts.

I've been doing this for almost three weeks, and the hardest part was getting to sleep on time (and it's the main reason I haven't been posting here, because I usually post at night after all the chores are done). But within say four days cravings were gone. In the past when I tried to eat this way, I'd dream about pastries and pasta! Not a good sign.

I also spontaneously wake up between 5:45 and 6:30 in the morning now without an alarm (a first since elementary school probably!), and feel good instead of drag-ass-y.

I highly recommend his blog, even though it's badly edited and goes on for pages sprinkled with medical acronyms.

He used to weigh 350 pounds, and had to figure out what the right thing to do to lose and keep off weight.

http://www.fatburningman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/before-after-dr-jack.jpg

He's very knowledgeable and helpful (some of the blog entries have hundreds of comments, and he tries to answer them all).

MY LEPTIN PRESCRIPTION (http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/)

THE LEPTIN RX…FAQ’s (http://jackkruse.com/the-leptin-rx-faqs/)

HOW DOES THE LEPTIN RX WORK? (http://jackkruse.com/how-does-the-leptin-rx-work/)

Why is Oprah still obese? Leptin part 3……… (http://jackkruse.com/why-is-oprah-still-obese-leptin-part-3/)

[gunDriller]

is the basic idea of the Paleo diet, to follow the diet of our hunter gatherer ancestors ?


i guess my diet is about 60% Paleo. i eat almost a full Paleo diet (beef, bacon, eggs, fruits & vegetables), but also eat bread & Pop tarts with the occasional ice cream etc.

[lapis]

is the basic idea of the Paleo diet, to follow the diet of our hunter gatherer ancestors ?

Yes basically, although there's new things being constantly discovered about ancient diets.

The Bulletproof Executive site has a lot of good graphs that provide a nice visual of foods to eat. Here's a few that can give you an idea:

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/proteins.png


http://www.bulletproofexec.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screen-Shot-2012-03-04-at-1.06.34-PM.png
http://www.bulletproofexec.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screen-Shot-2012-03-04-at-1.06.23-PM.png


http://www.bulletproofexec.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screen-Shot-2012-03-04-at-1.06.43-PM1.png

[Book]

is the basic idea of the Paleo diet, to follow the diet of our hunter gatherer ancestors ?



http://mrkash.com/images/homosapien.jpg

I imagine getting hunter-gathering EXERCISE AND FRESH AIR has something to do with it also.

:)

http://ronnyis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fat-man.jpg

[steyr_m]

or wear orange construction worker-type glasses which cuts out blue light (available at Wal-mart and Home Depot, I believe).


Orange? Or does he mean yellow?

[lapis]

I imagine getting hunter-gathering EXERCISE AND FRESH AIR has something to do with it also.

Yes they do, thanks for the reminder!


Orange? Or does he mean yellow?

Whatever ones will block the blue light, like these $80 amber ones from LowBlueLights.com:

https://www.lowbluelights.com/product/nonfitover-1.jpg

I wonder if something like these $10 safety glasses from Home Depot would work as well?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/20/20e9c232-2880-44b8-a53f-256a7308c719_300.jpg

[MNeagle]

lapis, are you able to eat 50 grams of protein in the morning? I tried, & couldn't even finish a grilled chicken breast half. But, I was not hungry until 3~, so I'll keep pluggin' away.

[Osiris]

A friend that is on the paleo diet recommended this site for recipes. I've found some good ones. If anyone is interested. Www.chowstalker.com

[lapis]

lapis, are you able to eat 50 grams of protein in the morning? I tried, & couldn't even finish a grilled chicken breast half.

Not at first. It took about five days. I wasn't hungry in the morning because I was eating too late at night.

But now that I keep a 12 to 14-hour gap between dinner and breakfast, I find that I'm hungry in the morning, for the first time since I can't remember.


But, I was not hungry until 3~, so I'll keep pluggin' away.Yes, that's the beauty of this method. See, you're already getting one of the benefits, a reduced appetite. After a while you will effortlessly go five to six hours between meals. It's wonderful not thinking about food or being obsessed with it. ;D

[lapis]

A friend that is on the paleo diet recommended this site for recipes. I've found some good ones. If anyone is interested. Www.chowstalker.com

Thanks! The recipes look really good, and yes I'd like to know what you've found.

[steyr_m]

Whatever ones will block the blue light, like these $80 amber ones from LowBlueLights.com:


I think any amber coloured lense should work if it is only a light filter. What's the deal with blue-light anyways?

[sirgonzo420]

I think any amber coloured lense should work if it is only a light filter. What's the deal with blue-light anyways?


I'm not sure, but "paleo" and safety glasses don't seem to go together.

[steyr_m]

I'm not sure, but "paleo" and safety glasses don't seem to go together.

I think it's supposed to be worn when viewing a monitor [which isn't really "paleo" either]

[Shami-Amourae]

Here's some PowerPoint presentations from some of Sally Fallon's presentations. The 3rd one goes over foods you should be eating. There were some good ideas in there I didn't know, like making ice cream with maple syrup.

http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/ppts/TraditionalDiets/TradDietsPartI.ppt
http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/ppts/TraditionalDiets/TradDietsPartII.ppt
http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/ppts/TraditionalDiets/TradDietsPartIII.ppt

[Heimdhal]

TY for the links, I'll check em out.


Im almost at my 1 week mark (tomorrow). I've already lost some weight (under 10 lbs, but still a plus) and feel fine. Im hungrier than I used to be, but part of that is I also signifcantly cut my portion sizes back, so hunger is to be expected.

I've stayed pretty strict. I had some feta cheese today, so I broke the no dairy. Havent had any grains at all. I feel good at any rate, certainly not bad. I try to find protein to snack on when I do get hungry.

I've been looking up lots of recipes online, but I am flat out not used to cooking strict paleo so theres been a big learning curve and I dont like a lot of the recipes (most made by people who are NOT food people to start with so they usualy are pretty shitty). Keeping the food interesting has been the hardest thing.

Made some awesome Gyro meat the other day. Ground Beef and lamb, cooked rotisserie style. Wrapped it up in romain lettuce leaves with the usualy acourtments. It was banging. Feed me for two days whenever I wanted a snack. Just pull the loaf out, slice off some strips and go to town.

[Kali]

If you want to drop weight and be the healthiest you have ever been simply avoid anything with added sugar or salt. This is the easiest rule to ever follow.

I do this 5 days a week and eat whatever I want on the weekends.

Now, when I say whatever I want, dont be confused with me stuffing myself full of shit.

When you eat healthy for at least a few weeks and your appetite gets right you wont want to eat a ton of crap. You will want some but you wont over eat so much that you are back in shit mode.

Yes, this means you can eat dairy and white potatoes.

I eat baked potatoes with real butter and smothered in green onions, yogurt (no sugar added, sugar comes from fruit), homemade ice cream, tons of fresh juices we make every 2 days (including chocolate shakes), and my personal favorite...black beans with chili sauce/cayenne pepper/and avocado (no salt added - many times I eat Eden Foods canned beans if we dont cook ourselves).

No salt, no sugar *ADDED*.

Try it for a week and you'll have to go shopping for new clothes.

[Shami-Amourae]

Im hungrier than I used to be, but part of that is I also signifcantly cut my portion sizes back, so hunger is to be expected.


When you stop getting most of your energy from carbs/sugar your body feels starved of energy since that's what your used to. Your body can turn carbs/sugar, fat, and/or protein into energy. In the Western diet we mainly get our energy from carbs/sugar, so we just pile on fat. You want to get most of your energy from animal fats and proteins to be healthy. It will take some time for your body to adjust to this, so there will be a period of time where you'll be hungry a lot. Maybe ease into the paleo diet?

[Shami-Amourae]

A friend that is on the paleo diet recommended this site for recipes. I've found some good ones. If anyone is interested. Www.chowstalker.com (http://Www.chowstalker.com)

Here's a digital copy of Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions" if you want it:

http://www.2shared.com/document/Hsxi5LfE/Nourishing_Traditions_-_Sally_.html

[tater]

I discovered the Primal Diet a few days before this thread was started. Is the primal essentially the same as the paleo? I pretty much cut grains, beans, sugar and dairy products out and focused on lean meat,saturated fats and complex carbs from fruits and veggies. I also ran a 4 miles four times a week. I agree that first week I was hungry pretty often because the old body wanted some sugar but I've found already that I'm not hungry all the time and in fact this morning I'm not hungry at all. Let the fuel for the body be animal fats. BTW I've lost 12 pounds and I'm feeling better than I have in a while.

Thanks to all the Paleo diet vets for posting in this thread.

[Shami-Amourae]

I think the primal diet is pro-dairy, and the paleo is anti-dairy. The primal diet seems to be what the Weston A. Price diet is, though it's subjective.

I consume a crap load of dairy now. The idea is to consume RAW dairy, not pasteurized dairy.

Eat a crap load of raw butter too, since it has high levels of Vitamin K2. Heart disease is basically a deficiency of Vitamin K2 from what I've researched.

[tater]

I think the primal diet is pro-dairy, and the paleo is anti-dairy. The primal diet seems to be what the Weston A. Price diet is, though it's subjective.

I consume a crap load of dairy now. The idea is to consume RAW dairy, not pasteurized dairy.

Eat a crap load of raw butter too, since it has high levels of Vitamin K2. Heart disease is basically a deficiency of Vitamin K2 from what I've researched.

From what I've been reading the pasteurized dairy is a no-no with the primal also and real butter is the shiznit, I am still learning however. So far so good. Thanks again!

[Son-of-Liberty]

I think any amber coloured lense should work if it is only a light filter. What's the deal with blue-light anyways?

When your eyes are receiving a large amount of blue light your brain thinks it is still daytime and your body will not wind down and prepare for sleep in the evening like it should. By putting on the glasses you can still use the computer before bed without reducing the quality of your sleep. I usually just avoid using the computer before bed because I have found that it takes me longer to get to sleep when I use it at that time.

Another thing I have done is replaced all florescent lights with incandescent bulbs. Florescent lights have more blue light while the incandescent bulbs are more yellow/orange. This could be one of the real motives to legislating florescent bulbs; to fuck up peoples natural sleep patterns which will negatively impact health.

[lapis]

I think any amber coloured lense should work if it is only a light filter. What's the deal with blue-light anyways?

When we're exposed to it at night it can disrupt our circadian rhythm and throw off our ability to get a good night's sleep.

There was even a small study done on it:

Blue light from light-emitting diodes elicits a dose-dependent suppression of melatonin in humans (http://jap.physiology.org/content/110/3/619.abstract?rss=1)


Abstract

Light suppresses melatonin in humans, with the strongest response occurring in the short-wavelength portion of the spectrum between 446 and 477 nm that appears blue. Blue monochromatic light has also been shown to be more effective than longer-wavelength light for enhancing alertness.

Disturbed circadian rhythms and sleep loss have been described as risk factors for astronauts and NASA ground control workers, as well as civilians. Such disturbances can result in impaired alertness and diminished performance.

Prior to exposing subjects to short-wavelength light from light-emitting diodes (LEDs) (peak λ = 469 nm; ½ peak bandwidth = 26 nm), the ocular safety exposure to the blue LED light was confirmed by an independent hazard analysis using the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists exposure limits.

Subsequently, a fluence-response curve was developed for plasma melatonin suppression in healthy subjects (n = 8; mean age of 23.9 ± 0.5 years) exposed to a range of irradiances of blue LED light. Subjects with freely reactive pupils were exposed to light between 2:00 and 3:30 AM.

Blood samples were collected before and after light exposures and quantified for melatonin. The results demonstrate that increasing irradiances of narrowband blue-appearing light can elicit increasing plasma melatonin suppression in healthy subjects (P < 0.0001).

The data were fit to a sigmoidal fluence-response curve (R2 = 0.99; ED50 = 14.19 μW/cm2). A comparison of mean melatonin suppression with 40 μW/cm2 from 4,000 K broadband white fluorescent light, currently used in most general lighting fixtures, suggests that narrow bandwidth blue LED light may be stronger than 4,000 K white fluorescent light for suppressing melatonin.


I'm not sure, but "paleo" and safety glasses don't seem to go together.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif Yes that's true. It's just a temporary solution that can help you make the transition, although it won't help your skin, which apparently also contain light-sensitive sensors.

[lapis]

Here's a digital copy of Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions" if you want it:

http://www.2shared.com/document/Hsxi5LfE/Nourishing_Traditions_-_Sally_.html

Thank you!

I really like the beet kvass recipe. I drink about 1/4 cup before eating my BAB (big ass breakfast). It really helps with protein digestion, so I never feel overly full.

[lapis]

I think the primal diet is pro-dairy, and the paleo is anti-dairy. The primal diet seems to be what the Weston A. Price diet is, though it's subjective.

I consume a crap load of dairy now. The idea is to consume RAW dairy, not pasteurized dairy.

Eat a crap load of raw butter too, since it has high levels of Vitamin K2. Heart disease is basically a deficiency of Vitamin K2 from what I've researched.

For years I avoided milk because pasteurized and homogenized dairy gave me a stomachache.

But once I started consuming raw dairy regularly for a while, I discovered that I could also drink regular milk without any problems. Raw dairy is some amazing stuff, but it's not always available (so I sometimes drink Strauss milk or kefir made with it).

[lapis]

I usually just avoid using the computer before bed because I have found that it takes me longer to get to sleep when I use it at that time.

It used to do that to me too, but with the f.lux app installed and dimming the monitor's brightness, it makes me sleepy now.

[lapis]

I thought this was a cute article on paleo:

“Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey”:
The Paleo Diet In Six Easy Steps,
A Motivational Guide (http://www.gnolls.org/1141/eat-like-a-predator-not-like-prey-paleo-in-six-easy-steps-a-motivational-guide/)



This article exists for one simple reason: I get asked, over and over, “So how does this ‘paleo diet’ work?” And I want to give people an answer that is simple, solid, and above all, motivational. I want you to finish this article and think “Yes! I understand, and I can do this.”

Here it is: a step-by-step guide, roughly in order of importance. Make progress at whatever pace you can. Don’t stress about perfect adherence, or obsess about making it all the way down the list: any progress you make will most likely improve your health, mood, and physical fitness.

“Do not eat” items are grouped with “Eat more” items at each step, so you’ll always have something to eat. Let’s go!

First, our guiding philosophy:
Eat like a predator, not like prey.

Predators gorge and fast; prey grazes.

Rephrased for modern humans: predators eat meals, prey grazes on snacks.This means you need to eat meals which will carry you through to your next meal, but that won’t make you tired or sleepy.

Here’s how!

Step 1: Eat Meat, Not Birdseed

[Snip]

[Heimdhal]

Lapis,


A good read but a little biased. Im following a diet very similar to that, but I wouldnt call theirs a "Paleo" diet. Paleolithic peoples were absolutley grazers and scavengers. Meat was not always available. Meat was not always transportable, it might be a couple days until meat was available again, particularly during certain seasons.

Paleo people aboslutley, positivley would eat a good portion of fruits and leafy greens (rumminant foods) as well as seeds. Fruits and seeds were transportable and longer lasting than leafy greens and meats in most climates. You can carry a bag of apples for months, for instance, as well as most seeds, even fatty ones.


There must be a balance of all things and I am instantly skeptical of ANY diet that says 'JUST EAT LOTS OF THIS AND YOULL BE FINE" because there are just as many that say that about veggies, dairy, grains, etc. Some people do really well on those diets, when they find the right ones, but its hardly ever universal.

Meat and animal fats are processed the easiest by our bodies, as long as they are pure.

We should also keep in mind the leaps and bounds in mental capacity and ability that happened when humans entered into the agrarian society. When we stopped becoming foragers and food was more readily we entered into an age of thinkers, not nomads who were just moving from meal to meal.

[JohnQPublic]

I did not realize that Mark's Daily Apple was based on the paleo diet. I remember a few years ago I posted a comment about super-fruit and I think Mark came back and said you should not be eating fruit. I am thinking about the French paradox (red wine, reserveratol, anti-oxidants, etc.), and the healthy role fruit can play in your life (I am not talking white grape juice and cheap apple juice sugary drinks). Berries (chokeberries, black berries, tart cherries, etc.), pomegranates, etc. have a lot of potential as functional food. By the way, talking about melatonin, tart cherry juice is an excellent way to replenish. Trader Joe's sells it pretty inexpensively.

It seems to me that a "hunter/gatherer" would gather fruit (apples, berries, etc.).

I am skeptical of any diet premised on evolutionary theories, in any case.

[solid]

A guy recently returned to work, after about a year. I didn't recognize him, turns out he lost over 50 pounds in 6 months. Just eating healthy, and exercising.

I don't know if this is paleo or not, but I just had a lunch he recommended. Avocado tacos. It's just a whole wheat natural soft taco, and avocado. Add a little garlic salt for extra taste.

Surprisingly...this is delicious! Avodaco tacos...who knew? This is an easy quick healthy snack.

[lapis]

A guy recently returned to work, after about a year. I didn't recognize him, turns out he lost over 50 pounds in 6 months. Just eating healthy, and exercising.

I don't know if this is paleo or not, but I just had a lunch he recommended. Avocado tacos. It's just a whole wheat natural soft taco, and avocado. Add a little garlic salt for extra taste.

Surprisingly...this is delicious! Avodaco tacos...who knew? This is an easy quick healthy snack.

Yum! Sounds good. Hope you are feeling better.

Will answer other posts later, maybe tomorrow. I'm off to take a friend out for her birthday.

[FreeEnergy]

You have to get calories from somewhere.

No you don't.

that is the biggest fallacy of current civilization.

People have been fasting for thousands of years, and most feel better during the fast, not consuming any calories.

[FreeEnergy]

Look at your teeth and finger nails and tell me you were designed to eat meat.


correct.

[Heimdhal]

No, this is NOT the BIGGEST fallacy of current civilization. We have far bigger ones.

In fact, its not a fallacy at all. You do indeed HAVE to get calories from SOMEWHERE, eventualy. Eat absolutley nothing for 6 months (zero caloric intake) and see how far you get. True fasting does permit some consumption, which means SOME caloric intake.

What I think you mean is a fallacy of current civilization is that one must constnatly consume upwards of 2,000 calories a day, every day, to be "healthy".

[FreeEnergy]

ok, I did say that a bit one-sided.


I agree, 2000 calories is just nuts, don't know how "doctors" came up with it.

Oh, and don't believe in "high protein" either.
Just came from Mexico, same problem as US, too many overweight people. Look at their diet - pizzas, pastas, various forms of potatoes, lots of fried stuff, lots of products very high in sugar. Bad beer and sugary carbonated drinks. and lots of that. No wonder they are fat.

Fruits and green leafy vegetables are da best. Everything you can find organic is better than non-organic. Everything with bright packaging is a suspect. Avoid fast food, pizza and coke/pepsi. etc., that is basically how people around the world eat, and they aren't fat.

[iOWNme]

No you don't.

that is the biggest fallacy of current civilization.

People have been fasting for thousands of years, and most feel better during the fast, not consuming any calories.


Here is the deal:

For thousands of years we as humans got vitamin and mineral nutrition in calories. No matter what calories we had (Back then) it was FULL of nutrients.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE NOW.

Your body and brain have come to connect calories to nutrition, through the thousands of years of hunter/gatherer lifestyle.

The brain 'reads' the blood to see what is going on in the outside world/environment. (the brain cant see!) Is there plenty of food around? When will i get my next meal? Etc. If the brain reads the blood, and sees no nutrients, it sends a craving signal which in turn creates your hunger. So you 'think' you are craving sweet or salt, but really you are deficient in protein or minerals. You have a quick snack- Likely filled with sugar (for energy) and then the cycle continues: Brain reads blood, craving is sent, sugar/salt consumed-Brain sees no nutrients- brain sends craving.....

The very definition of a very over weight person is that they are STARVING! Starving for vitamins, minerals and nutrients.

Now when our brains 'crave' calories, most people are eating EMPTY calories.....Thus gaining weight, because they are always hungry and keep eating foods that they crave. It is a vicious cycle.

[gunDriller]

plus human beings often use food as a drug - which is not necessarily bad.

but if you sit on the couch eating caramel corn by the pound night after night ...

[Awoke]

Great thread. I wonder if there is anything we can do to help the victim author in the OP?

[Old Herb Lady]

The very definition of a very over weight person is that they are STARVING! Starving for vitamins, minerals and nutrients.

Now when our brains 'crave' calories, most people are eating EMPTY calories.....Thus gaining weight, because they are always hungry and keep eating foods that they crave. It is a vicious cycle.


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