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steyr_m
3rd May 2012, 11:12 AM
A field note - the new money does feel strange. It doesn't tear [I didn't try too hard though] , but I hear it it will stretch/deform.

– Say, How About Trying a Little Gold and Silver?
Monday, April 30, 2012 – by Staff Report

Canada Introduces New Plastic Currency ... Canada may be permanently swapping paper for plastic, providing its recently-released polymer $100 note is well-received. The brand new bill was put into circulation starting Nov. 14, with $50 and $20 bills scheduled for 2012 and $10 and $5 bills slotted to come out in 2013. Polymer currencies, first developed in the 1980s in Australia, have helped countries cut back on counterfeit bills. Australia introduced polymer cash in 1988. A transparent maple leaf and a clear portion on the left side of the bill with holographs that change color in the light are designed to foil counterfeiters attempting to create fake notes. – ABC News

Dominant Social Theme: Cash evolves like everything else. Eventually we'll get rid of it. In the meantime we'll make it look as much like a credit card as possible.
Free-Market Analysis: Used to be that money was at least in part gold and silver, circulating as gold and silver or as bank notes that represented gold and silver.



At the height of the free-banking monetary experiment in the US, both before and after the Civil War, money circulated freely and paper money connected to gold and silver backing was printed locally by banks, restaurants, hotels and other places where gold and silver could be stored.

Much such circulating paper money was only good locally, where the merchant had a good and known reputation. Interest rates fluctuated widely region-to-region. This meant if one area was in a slump, you could go somewhere else to find a job. It wasn't so hard. People in the US went west to find work when the East turned inhospitable.

But in the grip of an icy power elite, the world continues to converge. Globalism is key and every part of the international scene is to be "interlinked." If there is a depression in Japan, Mexico shall feel it and Canada and the US, too.

How this makes things better is not easy for us to comprehend. The idea of the 21st century is that government, and government printing presses, shall finally triumph over messy private markets.

To this end, Canada, like Austria before it, is introducing plastic currency. We can't help but believe this is a kind of metaphorical statement. The powers-that-be hate cash, just as they hate gold and silver (when it is in the hands of anybody else) and will do anything to eradicate it as much as they can.

The polymer series costs 19 cents per unit to produce, almost twice the 10 cents needed to make paper bills. But they are more cost-effective in the long run, said Bank of Canada spokesperson Julie Girard. They are recyclable and last two and a half times longer than the older cotton-based model, she said.

The U.S. has tried to cut costs by replacing its dollar bills with $1 coins, but the American public has resisted giving up its greenbacks. The idea of U.S. dollars replaced with plastic bills has not been proposed.

The reason that people refuse to give up cash – despite the moves of governments around the world to make cash less utile – is that cash provides a haven from government relentlessness when it comes to ever rising taxes and privacy invasions.

Rightly or wrongly – from a government point of view – people still seek shelter from overwrought government demands and the utilization of cash may be seen as a kind of protest within this context.

The government counterattack has been to try to limit the amount of cash available to people and to push private enterprise into proposing electronic solutions that will not only do away with cash but with any kind of physical transaction.

And within this context, the movement to plastic money is part of a larger trend. It is in fact a dominant social theme of sorts – that money is what government decides it is.

The bureaucracy is generally more comfortable with non-cash transactions and one could make the argument that the closer cash resembles something else – credit cards, say, the more comfortable governments will be.

Credit cards are a kind of government money anyway, infinitely trackable and subject to whatever strictures government places on them.

The final goal is to move to a fully electronic currency, apparently, where no transaction is made that government – and its controller (dynastic Money Power) – cannot easily discern.
Ironically, there are problems with Canadian plastic money – it is easily ripped once the plastic coating is nicked or scratched for one thing. And the nicking is all-too-easily accomplished.

The Canadian government justifies the plastic cash – as Austria also justifies it – by claiming it defeats counterfeiting. But there used to be circulating money – specie actually – that did roughly the same thing.

Conclusion: Gold and silver used to circulate in coin and was not that easy to counterfeit. Today, private variants of gold and silver can circulate in digital form. We would suggest that such private-market solutions are infinitely superior to one-size-fits-all public monopoly money. Source

http://chasvoice.blogspot.ca/2012/04/canada-introduces-plastic-cash.html#axzz1tpMcbHsN

Awoke
3rd May 2012, 11:19 AM
There are sections on the $100 that are completely transparent. It's weird.

Awoke
3rd May 2012, 11:20 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/5852860236_33918cd13e_o.jpg

What I like about the fiat is that it is waterproof, and I spend a LOT of time around the water (and in it).

steyr_m
3rd May 2012, 11:25 AM
There are sections on the $100 that are completely transparent. It's weird.

Yeah I thought it was weird too. I saw my first $100 around Christmas, saw my first $50 last week.

What Canada needs to do is make an easily available $500 & $1,000 dollar bills

chad
3rd May 2012, 11:34 AM
as long as hockey stays on the $5, i'm cool with it.

steyr_m
3rd May 2012, 02:16 PM
as long as hockey stays on the $5, i'm cool with it.

There was once a time that I would totally agree with that; but now Hockey is part of our "Panem et Circenses".

Just one more thing to keep the masses distracted.....

Eyebone
3rd May 2012, 03:59 PM
I wonder if it melts.

I've run bills through the washer and dryer before.

steyr_m
3rd May 2012, 07:45 PM
I wonder if it melts.

I've run bills through the washer and dryer before.

Hmmmmm, when the $5 bills come out; I'll purposely do it

Blink
3rd May 2012, 09:54 PM
Be very careful with them. They are super thin and stick together perfectly. Twice now (at bullion dealers both times), the counter guy says I gave him an extra hundred. You really have to rub the bill to make sure its only one........

freespirit
3rd May 2012, 10:14 PM
they will melt, according to a teller at my bank...she said a customer had recently come in with one that was melted. not sure how...

related thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?51178-Canadian-cash-to-do-away-with-paper)

Glass
3rd May 2012, 11:10 PM
I wonder if it melts.

I've run bills through the washer and dryer before.

If they are same as Aussie ones then they will be ok in washer. Don't have a dryer so not sure there.

They do melt with flame. They do tear. Usually they will take a while to tear. Get a crease and that eventually becomes a tear.

You can easily get them replaced at the bank. I carried a torn note around for about 5 years. EventuallY I found someone who was going into a bank. I asked them to swap it. I got a weird look. I said they will swap it no worries, and they did.

They do stick together, especially when new. I have developed the habit of always rubbing the notes between thumb and forefinger/middle finger when I pull them out. The other thing I have noticed is the texture has changed over time. I'm guessing they have fine tuned the polymer mix over the years. Sometimes I get one that feels different so I spend a bit of time taking a look at it. Make sure it's legit.

I've seen 1 counterfeit note, a $50. I was surprised it was on plastic. I think it passed in a crowded pub or club, can't remember exactly but I don't think it had a chance of being passed in daylight.

Serpo
4th May 2012, 02:15 AM
[{baa}]Good reply there glass and plastic notes are better but its still PAPER.................

chad
4th May 2012, 05:52 AM
the canadian fiat system is vastly superior to the u.s. one. i love the $1 and $2 coins. there's no reason to carry around a big ass pile of $1 bills.

muffin
4th May 2012, 06:09 AM
now i wanna see this for myself. can someone send me some money? ;D

madfranks
4th May 2012, 08:33 AM
the canadian fiat system is vastly superior to the u.s. one.

Who's pile of shit is bigger and more malodorous?

Rubberchicken
4th May 2012, 09:19 AM
Same shit, different toilet.

steyr_m
4th May 2012, 11:22 AM
the canadian fiat system is vastly superior to the u.s. one. i love the $1 and $2 coins. there's no reason to carry around a big ass pile of $1 bills.

I agree, but no access to large bills fr the masses. Remember, part of being "on-line" with the "war on drugs"

Blink
5th May 2012, 09:03 AM
Its all headed towards this.........

http://developer.mintchipchallenge.com/index.php


Watch the video on the right.

Sparky
5th May 2012, 11:21 PM
So, for those of you who have chimed in on the plastic cash: Do you like it better or worse than paper, or no preference?

freespirit
6th May 2012, 07:12 AM
So, for those of you who have chimed in on the plastic cash: Do you like it better or worse than paper, or no preference?

I like that the new bills can get wet without damage. Like Awoke, I too spend a lot of time on, in or near the water and have soaked my wallet and it's contents on more than one occasion.
They do feel different, but they spend the same.

Blink
6th May 2012, 02:51 PM
Its just another printed piece of paper/plastic with colorful images. Who cares. Now if it contained gold dust.............. hmmmm.

sirgonzo420
6th May 2012, 03:04 PM
the canadian fiat system is vastly superior to the u.s. one. i love the $1 and $2 coins. there's no reason to carry around a big ass pile of $1 bills.

Good luck staying warm with your $1 and $2 tokens!

And I bet the plastic bills give you one helluva headache when they burn.

steyr_m
6th May 2012, 03:12 PM
So, for those of you who have chimed in on the plastic cash: Do you like it better or worse than paper, or no preference?

I personally don't really care. Fiat is fiat. Like I said in the original post, it does feel weird.

One part of me that does like it because it would be very hard to counterfeit. Counterfeiting is yet another way to inflate the monetary system, and a certain tribe has been known to do that before.

Awoke
7th May 2012, 11:59 AM
Its all headed towards this.........

http://developer.mintchipchallenge.com/index.php


Watch the video on the right.

That's fucking scary. Not that I haven't been expecting this, but they are really going to be able to sell this to the retards out there, no problem.

Blink
7th May 2012, 11:18 PM
That's fucking scary. Not that I haven't been expecting this, but they are really going to be able to sell this to the retards out there, no problem.

The retards are already using their iphones at Starbucks to buy a cup of coffee. This is a done deal. This is sort of like an advance screening trailer for a new movie...........

Glass
8th May 2012, 12:16 AM
So, for those of you who have chimed in on the plastic cash: Do you like it better or worse than paper, or no preference?

Paper dissappeared a long time ago down here in Aus. I have a couple old paper notes in small denoms. I kept them as collectors. Initially we dropped the $1's and $2 notes for coins like the Canadians did. Then we went plastic on the folding stuff.

From a handling PoV I think it's line ball. Plastic doesn't tear as easily but plastic doesn't dry as quick, or more correctly stays wet when a paper note might soak up the damp. Now most people keep money in dry places like wallets and purses, however if you have done any customer service in hospitality or maybe served homeless people you will know that some people do not store their money in those places. They store they money in more "creative" places.

You should never put money or your hands near your mouth after handling money. Take my word for it, I've seen where money comes from.

On the plus side you could launder your platic notes without fear of turning them in to mush.

Other than that .... same same AFAIAC

This would be less of a problem (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60938-Another-overlooked-problem-with-paper-money..............)

Unlike US notes, Aussie notes are different sizes as well as colours. Ovbviously very easy to determine what value note you are dealing with. The number on the note sometimes gives it away as well.... unless it's a Futurama Money note.

I also remember that our paper notes always had a thin strip of silver in them. It was a way to determine authenticity for the J6P's BUT obviously it was there for another reasons... such as making it lawful money. I doubt the silver content reflected a true monetary value for anything above $5. These days of course people would be cutting that strip out.

Glass
8th May 2012, 12:21 AM
This is how NFC is being promoted here in Australia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e7YzDvKezg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e7YzDvKezg

Do you get any feelings from this video? See what happens when someone wants to use cash?

Blink
8th May 2012, 03:23 PM
Treat those that use cash like we treat smokers, ingenious. Don't take much to fool masses of retards (sorry, non-critical thinkers).......... I want one of those readers. Put $100 on it and walk done the street scanning $100 off everyone you pass.