We are Preparing for Massive Civil War,” Says DHS Informant

[Serpo]

Folks, we’re getting ready for one massive economic collapse,” Hagmann told TruNews host Rick Wiles. Sign-up for my 100% FREE Alerts

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”


Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.

Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.http://www.beaconequity.com/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant-2012-05-03/

[woodman]

One gets the sense that 'they' are doing everything they can to precipitate this 'event'. The destruction of this country is proceeding as planned.

[gunDriller]

One gets the sense that 'they' are doing everything they can to precipitate this 'event'. The destruction of this country is proceeding as planned.

very true.

the first battle in this Civil War was 9-11. the Judeo-Fascists killed 3000 Americans, then used that as an excuse to kill millions more Gentiles in the Mid-East.

when we talk about "$10,000 gold" and "$400 silver", what the world looks like when PM's hit those prices ...


it will only be 'worth it' if Americans learn to shake off the Judeo-Fascist parasites.

[Carl]

It just kills me, the people calling for "hyperinflation" with a currency based in electronic digits that are promises to pay in FRNs that do not exist.

A collapse of the "Dollar" would spell the collapse of the entire global banking structure and the digital (CREDIT/DEBIT) fiction that sustains it.

The "un-sustainability of the American dollar", what is an "American Dollar"?


Just to add:

Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them. (http://carl-random-thoughts.blogspot.com/)

[Horn]

I think Obama has done everything the overlords asked,

he maybe made a dictatorial king, and the internet shutoff as in Egypt.

Only internet 2 will be available.

[madfranks]

Carl, hyperinflation is just as much a psychological event as a monetary one. If the US Dollar is discarded as the world's reserve currency and all the holders of dollars around the world cash them in for different currencies, that would cause the value of the dollar to collapse, prices to dramatically rise, and the spark of hyperinflation just might ignite.

[Blink]

I wonder what people will think when this system does collapse and they know they stood by and watched it happened and even had it explained step by step on how/why/what for and realize they did "nothing" to stop it.........

[palani]

they stood by and watched it happened and even had it explained step by step on how/why/what for and realize they did "nothing" to stop it.........

Knowledge of history is invaluable.

Take for example Napolean's war on Europe (there never has been an entity identified as "Europe"). The issue was resolved around 1990 in order to permit the two Germany's to rejoin. In between the start and end of Napolean's war there existed numerous conflicts which included WWI and WWI (phase deuce).

The U.S. civil war has never been resolved. Instead a new constitution was established for the D of C in 1871 and the process of government just kept chugging along. You are born into this situation and believe that it is natural when actually there is a conflict ongoing that has never seen resolution.

Standing by and observing is perhaps a more appropriate action than adding to the confusion of trying to maintain a conflict that operates silently in the background. Taking a side when the issues have not been defined hardly seems like the intelligent choice.

[undgrd]

Knowledge of history is invaluable.

Standing by and observing is perhaps a more appropriate action than adding to the confusion of trying to maintain a conflict that operates silently in the background. Taking a side when the issues have not been defined hardly seems like the intelligent choice.


I agree. However, the above bold text is the rub.

It's like trying to convince someone with a perfectly running car, that there's a problem with their car. When they ask "what's the problem?", you reply "It shouldn't even exist." or "It's not the car you think it is."

There aren't many people who will agree with you and even fewer who will listen to why...even though you're right.

[palani]

It's like trying to convince someone with a perfectly running car, that there's a problem with their car. When they ask "what's the problem?", you reply "It shouldn't even exist." or "It's not the car you think it is."

The car analogy is a good one but the proper response to the question "what's the problem?" is that "you are not the owner" as a trust was established for the purpose of legal ownership.

[LastResort]

I wonder what people will think when this system does collapse and they know they stood by and watched it happened and even had it explained step by step on how/why/what for and realize they did "nothing" to stop it.........

They'll think how could this happen to me?

Then they'll place blame in all the wrong places.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I got the following in an email with no attribution--no link to the source. I am sure it is from one of the Investment Web Sites like Financial Sense, or Safe Haven:


Sunday, April 29, 2012What If A Collapse Happened And Nobody Noticed? Every once and awhile I'll be listening to a podcast with one or the other writers specializing on the subject of Peak Oil or collapse and the subject of timetables will come up. When will the collapse finally be here, the callers ask insistently, almost pleadingly, so that they can finally justify their investments in freeze-dried foods, water purification tablets and solid gold coins. Inevitably the guest will demur, and speak more in general terms. But I'm going to be the first pundit to go out on the limb and assign a timeline for the collapse. Spread it far and wide, and let's see just how good my predictive powers are. Are you ready? Here it is: Right now. What do they think a collapse is supposed to look like? It seems people just cannot just cannot get past the "Zombie Apocalypse" theory of collapse. They imagine hordes of disease-ridden folks dressed in rags stumbling around and fighting over cans of petrol and stripping cans of food from shelves. That's not what collapse looks like. It never has been. In fact, there's very little evidence that a Zombie Apocalypse style collapse ever occurred in the historical record. Instead we see subtle patterns of abandonment and decay that unfold over long periods of time. Big projects stop. Population thins. Trade routes shrink and people revert to barter. Things get simpler and more local. Culture coarsens. High art stagnates. People disperse. Expectations are adjusted downward. Investments are no longer made in the future and previous investments are cannibalized just to maintain the status quo. Extend and pretend is hardly a recent invention. No, what happens in a collapse is very much more subtle than a Zombie Apocalypse. Things tend to look pretty normal for the following reasons: 1.) People and Institutions are resistant to change. 2.) The system has a formidable array of resources to preserve the status quo. 3.) Sheer momentum. 4.) Creeping Normalcy 5.) Denial This is how history says collapses go down, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Based on recent archaeology, it seems this is how the Roman collapse unfolded was well. Although images of pillaging barbarians looting burning cities sticks in people's imaginations when they think of the fall of the Roman Empire, this was not the experience for most people according to recent scholarship. Big events tended to come down to us in the written record, but for ordinary people, it probably seemed much less dramatic. Yes, there were some famines and plagues, as there had always been. The population declined, but there were no apocalyptic battles or mass starvation. Many of the cities appear to have been continually inhabited. There were no mass graves, ruined cities or signs of malnutrition found in excavations. Most people who survived the plagues lived right through the transition from Classical Antiquity to Late Antiquity to the Medieval period with remarkable continuity, just a change of institutions and expectations. But something clearly was happening, because we know it from history. Buildings got plainer. Citizens got poorer. Trade routes shrank. Economies became local. Lawlessness increased. The old Roman Empire had been around since far before anyone could remember, and as it broke down more and more and failed to do things it had once done easily, it must have seen to some people like the world was collapsing in on them. It wasn't, but something was happening. Much depended on who you were, where you were, what your expectations were, and how much you had invested in the status quo, both mentally and in terms of status and resources. What brought this thought about was reading the heartbreaking article: Suicides in Greece increase 40% And I remembered a comment I head from Dmitry Orlov in an interview about how much of his high school class were now dead. Yet there were no headlines and there was never any official crisis or emergency. They did not die in gunfights over scraps of food like in The Road. Rather, more quotidian things like alcoholism, unemployment, suicide, homelessness, exposure, lack of medications and ordinary sicknesses like bronchitis and pneumonia took their lives. Russia's life expectancy fell dramatically. It's birth rate declined. Public health fell apart. Suicide rates went up. The population shrank. Entire towns became abandoned. In post-collapse Russia there was a slow die-off that occurred outside of the daily headlines that no one seemed to notice. They were ground down slowly by day-to-day reduction in the standard of living, a million little tragedies that, like pixels in an image, looked like nothing until the focus was pulled back. And right now the entire continent of Europe is looking an awful lot like post-collapse Russia: The savage cuts to Greece's health service budget have led to a sharp rise in HIV/Aids and malaria in the beleaguered nation, said a leading aid organisation on Thursday. The incidence of HIV/Aids among intravenous drug users in central Athens soared by 1,250% in the first 10 months of 2011 compared with the same period the previous year, according to the head of Médecins sans Frontières Greece, while malaria is becoming endemic in the south for the first time since the rule of the colonels, which ended in the 1970s. Reveka Papadopoulos said that following health service cuts, including heavy job losses and a 40% reduction in funding for hospitals, Greek social services were "under very severe strain, if not in a state of breakdown. What we are seeing are very clear indicators of a system that cannot cope". The heavy, horizontal and "blind" budget cuts coincided last year with a 24% increase in demand for hospital services, she said, "largely because people could simply no longer afford private healthcare. The entire system is deteriorating". Greece on the breadline: HIV and malaria make a comeback Is that not a die-off? What would a collapse look like? What should a collapse look like? Zombies? Mad Max? Or would it look like the following statistics from this article: In Greece, we now have record unemployment, which includes the majority of young workers. Homelessness is up 20 percent, with soup kitchens in Athens reporting record demand, and the usually low suicide rate having doubled. Portugal has complied completely with the austerity demands it accepted for its bailout deal, but its debt is growing and its economy is shrinking, its unemployment rate continues to reach new heights, there is a crisis in medical care, and a 40 percent rise in emigration, with the Portuguese government acknowledging its own failure by actually encouraging its citizenry to leave. In Spain, austerity has resulted in falling industrial output and deepening debt, with record unemployment and a stunning rate of 50 percent youth unemployment. And the Spanish government's incomprehensible response is to impose even more crushing austerity. Ireland has fallen back into recession as austerity has led to falling economic output. A better future is being sacrificed, as young workers look for work abroad, "generation emigration" expected to number 75,000 this year. The success of Italy's wealthy technocrat government was concisely summarized in similar terms: Italy's austerity measures are stunting activity in the euro-zone's third-largest economy, recent budget and economic data show, suggesting the steps are backfiring. Italy's industrial production is falling while its rate of unemployment is at its highest in more than a decade, and its priceless cultural heritage is literally crumbling. But the wealthy technocrats themselves are ensuring that they they don't have to share the suffering. Even in the Eurozone's stronger economies, such as Holland, austerity is hurting the economy, people, and culture, and risks backfiring even more. The austerity program of French President Nicolas Sarkozy has led to a stagnant economy, with ten consecutive months of rising unemployment and factory output stalled and business confidence in decline. Even economic powerhouse Germany, while taking advantage of the new flood of migrant workers fleeing Europe's weaker economies, is facing an austerity backlash. Outside the Eurozone, the austerity program imposed on Britain by the relentlessly mendacious Cameron government has resulted in an economy that keeps shrinking, with the OECD saying it is back in recession, with unemployment soaring, and the overall brunt being borne by the elderly and minorities and the very young. An additional hundred thousand are predicted to be out of work by autumn. Greece appears to be just the dress rehearsal for the rest of the world. And Japan has been experiencing diminished expectations, lower wages, deflation and declining birthrates since 1989. And I don't think I need to restate conditions in the United States: municipal bankruptcies, school closings, foreclosures, blackouts, roads being turned back into gravel, etc. And conditions are continuing to deteriorate. See this: So many corporate-owned politicians in Washington these days seem to be going out of their way to work side by side with the Grim Reaper. They declare unnecessary wars. They tax us (not themselves) right down to the bone. They steal all our safety nets in order to have more money to add to THEIR safety nets. They bust our unions, steal our pension plans, enable Wall Street to invent pyramid schemes that ruin our economy, encourage big health insurance companies to cut us loose just when we need them the most, and allow Monsanto to poison our food, mutilate our seed stock and kill off our bees. In America, death seems to be coming earlier and earlier to those who vote. And now GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has come up with an even more sure-fire plan to help out his new BFF, the Grim Reaper. Now Romney wants to not only eliminate most U.S. housing subsidies, he wants to eliminate the entire department of Housing and Urban Renewal as well. That will certainly speed up the Grim Reaper’s efforts for sure. According to Forbes magazine, “In a closed-door Florida fundraiser for donors tonight, Mitt Romney offered a rare glimpse into his policy plans if elected President. And, as NBC reports, he got quite trigger-happy.” According to TruthOut, “Romney’s plan to eliminate HUD, assuming he didn’t shuffle its programs to other departments, would bring an end to critical programs like Section 8 housing vouchers and community development block grants. And eliminating housing assistance is even more problematic given the disproportionate percentage of veterans in the homeless population.” But what does Romney’s latest brilliant idea actually mean in terms of you and me? It means once again that the rich continue to get richer and live longer while the rest of us just conveniently die off too soon — because homeless people have a lot shorter life span than folks happily housed in the Hamptons. You know that senior housing complex in your town where seniors now get a rent break courtesy of HUD? That will be gone. And without HUD, frail and ailing seniors will soon be wandering the streets of your town, dying in alleyways and hogging up all the space in your cemeteries. You know those low-income “housing projects” on the other side of your town where all the poor people now live? Those will be gone too. Too bad for them. And now desperate poor folks will be wandering around in your part of town, homeless too. And did I already mention that they will be desperate? And all those homeless vets? There will be a lot more of them now — also wandering around your city or town. Remember back in the 1970s when Reagan shut down all those mental institutions and suddenly we had all sorts of crazy people wandering around, hopefully taking their meds but probably not? And if Romney’s latest hot new scheme takes hold, even more of them will be back on your streets. And physically handicapped people will have no place to live either. They too will be wandering around, trying to elude the Grim Reaper. And the number of homeless children will dramatically increase. A lot more little kids will be living in cars — if they’re lucky. And all of these homeless people, millions of them, will be pouring into the streets of your city or town, herded in your direction by both corporate-owned politicians in Washington and the Grim Reaper himself — who also will have a sharp eye out for YOU. Romney’s new housing policy: Offering the Grim Reaper a big helping hand (FireDogLake) And this: Austerity In America: 22 Signs That It Is Already Here And That It Is Going To Be Very Painful (Economic Collapse Blog) This is what a collapse really looks like: The poorest and most vulnerable die first, out of sight, and everyone else just does what they can to survive. Peoples' priorities change: they concentrate on getting by from day-to-day rather than planning for the future. They stop getting married. They have less children or none at all. They live for today. They work harder for less. Taxes go up even as basic services are cut. Long term unemployment has been conclusively linked to greater mortality and susceptibility to illness, physical and mental. Would many of these people not still be alive today if were not for austerity measures and declining middle class opportunity? Isn't that a die-off? It's been said that having children is a referendum on the future. Based on global birth rates, I think the human race is collectively registering a vote of "no confidence." Picture the ruin porn of decaying Detroit's vacant buildings, empty fields, shuttered factories, abandoned houses, crumbling overpasses, bursting water mains, rusting cars, and encroaching wilderness. Does this not look like collapse to you? If this had happened over a span of one or two years, would we even have any trouble of recognizing it as such? If you asked people twenty or thirty years ago what a global economic collapse would look like, would they not describe something very similar to what we are now witnessing? Why don't we recognize it? Because it is happening too slowly? Because we believe things will "get back to normal?" What are we waiting for, a sign from heaven? Who you are and where you are effects this dramatically too. Your position on the hierarchy determines how well insulated you are from collapse. Are you poor already? (not middle class, everyone is middle class) Then you probably won't notice as much difference. Are you filthy rich? (if you're reading this, I doubt it) Then you have enough power to preserve you wealth or enhance it for a while (at our expense, of course). If you are in the technocratic caste that serves global corporate interests, have the privilege an advanced education, work in certain select industries, have a vast inheritance, or are just plain lucky, you can probably safely hold on to your lifestyle for a long time to come. Your children won't be so lucky, though. For those people who wonder why they don't feel like they are in a collapse, please consider, have you gotten a raise lately? What's your home worth? Has your rent gone up? Taxes and fees? Some people may answer positively to these questions, of course, but that number has a funny way of shrinking over time. If you live in a big city it also might be easier to get by. Cities have more diverse industries and higher tax bases, There is more wealth in cites, more social momentum, and more resources to buffer the negative effects of a downturn. For those with social connections closest to the levers of power and the imperial courts, they can manipulate the system to keep the swag coming from their enclaves in Manhattan, Orange Country, suburban D.C., and the Hamptons. Just as in the Roman collapse where the cities were bulwarks of wealth, culture and commerce while countryside became depopulated, rural areas will be hardest hit. Indeed, rural towns that were dependent upon one major industry like farming or steel manufacturing have already become ghost towns, and much of rural America is already a lawless region with little infrastructure; a battleground for drug gangs dotted with marijuana plantations and meth labs. We have a hard time imagining that in the midst of a collapse everything would seem so normal. That day-to-day life would go one for most of us, seemingly unaffected, and that only after vast stretches of time had passed would we notice anything different. That many of us could hold on to our modern conveniences and familiar things. That many people wouldn't even notice what's going on at all. Short of a plague situation, there are not usually piles of bodies during a collapse. Most people don't die. Here's what really happens: People move in with relatives. They barter services. They defer health care. They stop going to school. They sell off their possessions. They go on the dole, if they can. They stop caring. You see people happy to have food and warmth rather than the latest consumer toy. You see entire households supported by one breadwinner. You see homeless shelters and soup kitchens fill up and food banks empty out. You see people hanging out on streetcorners during the day and living in tents. That's what a collapse looks like. Sound familiar? In fact, much of the world never moved from this mode of existence in the first place. Even during the worst historical collapses people still ate good food, listened to music, used the latest technology, and drank beer and wine with friends on warm summer evenings. So then why is the collapse occurring? Is it all about debt, as we've been led to believe? Or is it about something else? Imagine if you were the leader of one of the world's major industrial nations, with millions of people, economies worth trillions, and huge armies at your command. Now imagine that your top generals and admirals have briefed you and told you that the fundamental substances underlying modern industrial civilization were running out. That there would be shortages. Scarcity. Resource wars. Dwindling food supplies. Decreased industrial output. A shrinking tax base. Insurrection. What would you do? Panic? Or would you do exactly what world leaders are doing right now: using economic policies to shrink the economy to a lower level and cause a slow die-off? Claim that "there is no alternative", and that once "confidence" is restored, things will be back to normal? Consider: Last year two military planning organizations went public with studies predicting that serious consequences from oil depletion will befall us shortly. In the U.S. the Joint Forces Command concluded, without saying how they arrived at their dates, that by 2012 surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear and that by 2015 the global shortfall in oil production could be as much as 10 million b/d. Later in the year a draft of a German army study, which went into greater detail in analyzing the consequences of peaking world oil production, was leaked to the press. The German study which was released recently is unique for the frankness with which it explores the dire consequences which may be in store for us. And see this: Energy Security: an annotated military/security bibliography (2010 update) (Energy Bulletin) Of course, to assuage the public's anger, governments will promise an imminent return to normalcy. What they mean is, slow collapse down to a slow enough pace that it is less noticeable. And they've been saying this for four years already. Want to bet they'll be saying it four years from now? And four years after that? Once things did "stabilize" everything would return to a sort of normal and you would be considered a hero by the public. And things will look great, because people only judge things in contrast with the immediate past, not decades before. And in relative terms, after years of "austerity", things will be "recovering." Temporarily at least, until the next crisis hits. But by that time you hope there will be another sucker sitting in the White House, or 10 Downing Street, or the Élysée Palace while you spend your retirement skiing in Zurich or sunning yourself in Monaco. And the cycle begins again. Your family members, as "elites," will be unaffected, of course. Debts can be cancelled. It's just the excuse they need. Really, austerity makes no sense otherwise. As Steve Keen put it in a recent interview, "they think causing an accelerated economic collapse will make it easier to pay their debts." Indeed. Even some of the world's most renowned economists have declared such policies insane. If even Nobel-prize winning economists think it's crazy, then why are governments doing it? But these economists are in the main, ignorant of Peak Oil, willingly or unwillingly. They can only think in terms of reactivating "growth" in a Keynesian sense. But based on the above, it's clear world leaders know that's not going to happen. What other reason could there be? After all, capitalism requires growth, and only after enough is destroyed can growth begin again. Is what we are witnessing now not a slow destruction? Austerity is a wildfire set by the political/banking elite classes to get rid of the underbrush and start anew. Certainly they could implement more humane options if they so desired. But most of those would require a diminution in the power of corporations and banks. They need not fear socialist revolution as they did generations ago, because everyone knows that socialism has failed and that wealth redistribution makes everyone poorer (right?). Entire populations can now be effectively controlled by the media apparatus, and if all else fails, you can bust out the tear gas and pepper spray. From now on, all we will be permitted is what we can claw from the impersonal and shrinking market. Social Darwinism has finally been given free reign by the powers that be. Of course they could just as easily come clean with all this and initiate policies that minimize the pain and suffering of the general population. They could implement policies that allow for graceful and gradual decline and stop spending money on malignant things like prisons, security, war, bank bailouts, corporate welfare, and needless consumerism in favor of public health measures, redistributing wealth, work programs, etc. They could cancel the debts. But today's governments are wholly owned subsidiaries of the banking establishments that control national economies, and they will have none of it. Over our dead bodies they say, we prefer your dead bodies. The real purpose of austerity and neoliberal economic doctrine is to get the remaining wealth of industrial society into their bank accounts before the shit hits the fan so they and their ancestors can pick up the pieces in a post oil-crash world. They will continue to have the best of everything. Someone's going to have personalized genetic medicine and android servants, just not you or I. I myself am skeptical, however, that things will go as planned. This is why they need Authoritarian Capitalism. People often wonder if the Romans knew at the time that their society was collapsing. Even if some intelligent and literate Romans did recognize it, could they have done anything about it? We who know better at least know that we are on our own to deal with this. You know the truth. You don't have to flee to a bunker, and you don't have to die off either (of course we all will someday, but that's a different story...). Don't wait for politicians to tell you the truth about austerity, because they never will. You can see that this engineered collapse is exactly what we've been fearing all this time. No reason to fear the collapse-look around, you're already living though it even as you read these words, and you're presumably still here. Take a deep breath. Relax. Have a beer. Listen to some music. No Zombies Required.


So why does everybody have a view of a collapse as the onset of a zombie apocalypse?

The reason the government is afraid of whatever will happen is because their power will collapse. The people will just go on, and adapt to whatever happens. A responsible government would tell people what to expect--not arm itself to protect its power from the people. It derives its power from the consent of the governed. They may be expecting a rapid decrease in that consent. That could only come from a massive awakening--which is about to happen.

I have been reading lately about the Bankruptcy of the United States in March of 1933, and the change in the legal system so that the courts no longer recognize precedents set before 1938. Nobody back then was aware of this. All the lawyers have to swear an oath not to tell anybody that the country is bankrupt and has been so since 1933. One guy talked about it--Jim Traficant, and they threw him in Jail tut suite. There is an excellent article about the US Bankruptcy on apfn. Here:

http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

I think this time everybody is going to find out about this, and the anger at the government will be 'of biblical proportions'.


Hatha

[Book]

So why does everybody have a view of a collapse as the onset of a zombie apocalypse?



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Here in Idaho surrounded by white people and farms, I'm gonna watch the Big City race wars on my new HDTV while munching popcorn. Will start right around the time the monthly federal food stamps to 44 MILLION negros and latinos suddenly stop. Brian Williams will keep me entertained nightly.

::) will be no zombie apocalypse here in Idaho

[Uncle Salty]

I wonder what people will think when this system does collapse and they know they stood by and watched it happened and even had it explained step by step on how/why/what for and realize they did "nothing" to stop it.........

How exactly do we stop it? We can't. We can only prepare for its inevitable arrival.

[Libertytree]

It's been planned and now it's being set in motion full bore. They'll pick and choose the time to pull the plug and be ready for the aftermath that will follow.

[solid]

It's been planned and now it's being set in motion full bore. They'll pick and choose the time to pull the plug and be ready for the aftermath that will follow.

When you put it that way, election time seems to be a smart choice (for them).

[Horn]

So why does everybody have a view of a collapse as the onset of a zombie apocalypse?

The reason the government is afraid of whatever will happen is because their power will collapse. The people will just go on, and adapt to whatever happens. A responsible government would tell people what to expect--not arm itself to protect its power from the people. It derives its power from the consent of the governed. They may be expecting a rapid decrease in that consent. That could only come from a massive awakening--which is about to happen...


No previous government has ever been so prepared. I remember seeing a vid not too long ago that explained how all the local police force spending (not so far back) will be justified by the governors, even if the governed are complacent.

Otherwise a general disrespect for authority might set...

[gunDriller]

It's been planned and now it's being set in motion full bore. They'll pick and choose the time to pull the plug and be ready for the aftermath that will follow.

so far, they have maintained the illusion of democracy. i think they'll continue with that charade, while slowly passing more laws like the Patriot Act & NDAA. all it needs is one law like that to be passed a year, and each one is like a paper shredder for the Constitution & the Declaration of Independence.

i think one thing that's going on is the Jew-Banksters are milking the market volatility for everything they can get. like Jon Corzine.

secure in the knowledge that they won't be prosecuted for all the monkey-business, market manipulation, and insider trading that they do, my guess is that Jew-Banksters are profiting near daily, from every market move - in oil, precious metals, stocks, etc.

so they're using their insider status to make 2-3% a day on each market move, doing that at LEAST once a week.

make 3% on your money once a week for 52 weeks straight - you'll end up with 465% of your beginning position after one year, up 365%.


i think that's what's going on while the US is turning into a police state - the Judeo-Fascist banksters are creating & using market volatility to suck on the financial blood of the rest of us.

[mick silver]

time is short ................................i dont need to say anything more . i have heard there alot of troops being move around also

[zap]

Just bumping so I can find it later. Happy Friday Boys and Girls !

[Libertytree]

so far, they have maintained the illusion of democracy. i think they'll continue with that charade, while slowly passing more laws like the Patriot Act & NDAA. all it needs is one law like that to be passed a year, and each one is like a paper shredder for the Constitution & the Declaration of Independence.

i think one thing that's going on is the Jew-Banksters are milking the market volatility for everything they can get. like Jon Corzine.

secure in the knowledge that they won't be prosecuted for all the monkey-business, market manipulation, and insider trading that they do, my guess is that Jew-Banksters are profiting near daily, from every market move - in oil, precious metals, stocks, etc.

so they're using their insider status to make 2-3% a day on each market move, doing that at LEAST once a week.

make 3% on your money once a week for 52 weeks straight - you'll end up with 465% of your beginning position after one year, up 365%.


i think that's what's going on while the US is turning into a police state - the Judeo-Fascist banksters are creating & using market volatility to suck on the financial blood of the rest of us.

Even that illusion is failing...look at the GOP and what they're pulling with RP, it's blatant in your face FYou's to anyone that dares goes up against their machine.

Hell, they have enough money and I don't think a years worth of profits makes a tinkers damn to them. What I think does matter is getting their chess pieces set up strategically and the "laws" for those pieces to be in place as well.

[D sciple]

Could we, a bunch of white boys with shotguns, rifles and such, take out a combined Russian and Chinese invasion?

Like...when we decide to grow a pair and start sniping heads, will they get us when we're weak?

[palani]

Like...when we decide to grow a pair and start sniping heads, will they get us when we're weak?

Suppose they send in an army of hookers?

[D sciple]

Suppose they send in an army of hookers?

Ha, are you saying my scenario is unfathomable?

[palani]

Ha, are you saying my scenario is unfathomable?

Commerce comes with its own Achilles heel. "Give them a mortgage and they will use it as an excuse to commit atrocities."

[D sciple]

Commerce comes with its own Achilles heel. "Give them a mortgage and they will use it as an excuse to commit atrocities."

You have to be Indian...I can never understand what you're saying. (bear with me)

I think our plan really needs to be, acquire gold, get a boat, and move to the whitest country we can find. Babylon is a lost cause.

[palani]

I think our plan really needs to be, acquire gold, get a boat, and move to the whitest country we can find. Babylon is a lost cause.

Moving is so uncertain and so expensive.

Think in terms of an Autocad drawing ... create a new layer, enable it and remove your goods to that plane.

[D sciple]

GSUS, we need to steal an ocean liner, (edit...fight etc...) take what we can, maybe get some rocket launchers for the pirates, then sail that bad boy to Gibraltar.

Who's coming with me? :)

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWrXe4N253cp0b3x0Eb1fBaJ2YO_Jjf 4CSGfYcij-IL2ds_uFN

[Book]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/9247447/14-headless-bodies-found-in-Mexican-city.html

We just need to embrace the cultural enrichment we gain by Diversity.

:) stop hatin' on our new arrivals

[Carl]

Carl, hyperinflation is just as much a psychological event as a monetary one. If the US Dollar is discarded as the world's reserve currency and all the holders of dollars around the world cash them in for different currencies, that would cause the value of the dollar to collapse, prices to dramatically rise, and the spark of hyperinflation just might ignite.
Name One Digital Currency That Has Ever Gone Into Hyperinflation.

There might be hyperinflation at the very top of the economic food chain, for a few hours anyway, until it all collapses into a heap of un-payable debt.

Didn't you learn anything from Iceland?

[gunDriller]

Could we, a bunch of white boys with shotguns, rifles and such, take out a combined Russian and Chinese invasion?

Like...when we decide to grow a pair and start sniping heads, will they get us when we're weak?

if we could convince the Russians & Chinese to take out the Parasites in Washington DC and leave the states be, that would be progress.

[Horn]

Moving is so uncertain and so expensive.

Think in terms of an Autocad drawing ... create a new layer, enable it and remove your goods to that plane.

Now that's my program, palani.

Its easier to edit an existing than create.

[Hatha Sunahara]

The insiders in the government know they are going to do something that will piss a lot of people off. And they are preparing to deal with a lot of pissed off people.

Now what could they possibly do that would piss off so many of us they will need 450 million rounds of ammunition to deal with it? Are they going to try to disarm us? That is the only thing I can think of that would cause them to adopt such tyrannical measures as the NDAA, and Obama's more recent claims he can kill anybody he wants and take everybody's property. Americans are buying guns at the rate of 5 million a month. It is their unalienable right to do so.

The only thing I can be sure of is that whatever they tell us is a lie. I would prefer to note what they do--not what they tell me.


Hatha

[Libertytree]

Just follow Palani's advice and show them your $21 in silver and that you're exempted from their rules and paperwork, you'll be granted immunity and left alone. Riiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt, lmfao. I'm not really laughing because anyone that believes that line of shit is a moron, some will though, sadly.

[palani]

Just follow Palani's advice and show them your $21 in silver and that you're exempted from their rules and paperwork, you'll be granted immunity and left alone. Riiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt, lmfao. I'm not really laughing because anyone that believes that line of shit is a moron, some will though, sadly.

Why would I advocate ostentatious displays of wealth? Show me where I have suggested showing anyone $21 in silver.

Are you magnetically deficient?

[Libertytree]

Why would I advocate ostentatious displays of wealth? Show me where I have suggested showing anyone $21 in silver.

Are you magnetically deficient?

There's some BS in your posts about having x amount of "legal tender" in your possession proving you're not a vagrant or some such, if I do a lil diggin we know its there.

So, you like magnets? I have some though, but not a lot.

[palani]

There's some BS in your posts about having x amount of "legal tender" in your possession proving you're not a vagrant or some such, if I do a lil diggin we know its there. Sure. $5 in gold. Charge me with vagrancy and I will produce it. Otherwise there is no need for it to leave my pocket.


So, you like magnets? I have some though, but not a lot. Prescribed by MD. Key to keeping an alkaline body is N pole magnetism.

[Horn]

Pretty sure DHS will leave palani alone while touching his N pole w/ magnets.

[Sparky]

The insiders in the government know they are going to do something that will piss a lot of people off. And they are preparing to deal with a lot of pissed off people.

Now what could they possibly do that would piss off so many of us they will need 450 million rounds of ammunition to deal with it? Are they going to try to disarm us? That is the only thing I can think of that would cause them to adopt such tyrannical measures as the NDAA, and Obama's more recent claims he can kill anybody he wants and take everybody's property. Americans are buying guns at the rate of 5 million a month. It is their unalienable right to do so.

The only thing I can be sure of is that whatever they tell us is a lie. I would prefer to note what they do--not what they tell me.


Hatha

It does beg the question: why were Americans allowed to become the most heavily armed citizenship in the world in the first place? Is this something they could not control, or was it a miscalculation on their part?

[Hatha Sunahara]

The right to defend yourself, that is, to bear arms is unalienable. The government does not get to take that away from anybody without their consent. God gave us that right. The government wants people to think it's a privilege granted by the government. Its not. Its a right given to us by God--a much higher authority.


Hatha

[Sparky]

The right to defend yourself, that is, to bear arms is unalienable. The government does not get to take that away from anybody without their consent. God gave us that right. The government wants people to think it's a privilege granted by the government. Its not. Its a right given to us by God--a much higher authority.


Hatha
Then why are the citizens of other countries so poorly armed?

[Hatha Sunahara]

Then why are the citizens of other countries so poorly armed?

Maybe it's because they have waived their unalienable rights in exchange for protection from the government. People the world over believe the Police protects them. At one time, I believed that myself.


Hatha

[Sparky]

Maybe it's because they have waived their unalienable rights in exchange for protection from the government. People the world over believe the Police protects them. At one time, I believed that myself.


Hatha

OK. I thought this might be your answer. So my follow up question is: Why is it that U.S. citizens have refused to waive this right? What's different about American citizens that they have not traded their inalienable right in exchange for police protection? Why have they chosen instead to become the most armed citizenry in the world?

My next follow up is: If there is, in fact, something different about Americans in this regard, then why do we talk about "bugging out" or escaping to some other country in the face of government force or opposition?

[D sciple]

My next follow up is: If there is, in fact, something different about Americans in this regard, then why do we talk about "bugging out" or escaping to some other country in the face of government force or opposition?

I think there are some other white folks out there that wish they had their guns back, but it's just too late (no shops to buy them from). But, when all of GSUS shows up to port (once we figure out the best spot) with our stolen cruise ship :) and a ton of weapons....that's where the resistance starts? Maybe we need to find the euro equivalent of GSUS, and they can meet us when we dock?

U.S. is done...who owns our birth certificates? They might be coming to enslave us.

[PlatinumBlonde]

I think there are some other white folks out there that wish they had their guns back

Yeah, like Great Britain and Australia..

[Canadian-guerilla]

Maybe it's because they have waived their unalienable rights in exchange for protection from the government. People the world over believe the Police protects them. At one time, I believed that myself.

Hatha

to paraphrase the Hyperkitty

the military/police are there to protect the top from the bottom

[Blink]

How exactly do we stop it? We can't. We can only prepare for its inevitable arrival.

Then they have already won.........

[Blink]

Knowledge of history is invaluable.Standing by and observing is perhaps a more appropriate action than adding to the confusion of trying to maintain a conflict that operates silently in the background. Taking a side when the issues have not been defined hardly seems like the intelligent choice.

Waiting around like cattle in a pen will only lead to the slaughterhouse. You sound defeated already. To each his own I guess. I feel (at the least) that people need to be "illuminated" about whats going on whether or not anything can be accomplished at this time. Confusion is what government puts out. Taking that confusion and putting into something that makes sense is what "our" job is......... Sorry, I don't stand on the sidelines and wait to see who wins. BTW, history will show you over and over, there are people that stand on the sidelines and people that effect change.

[Blink]

Yeah, like Great Britain and Australia..

And Canada........

[D sciple]

Now that's my program, palani.

Its easier to edit an existing than create.

The problem is....God kinda hates us. It's a love hate relationship*. There's plenty of posts concerning who Israel really is. So...as a white person, you/we have no choice but to build a kingdom with His laws. Roman laws, common laws, Constitutional laws....all invalid. But, I think as long as we set out to establish His kingdom**, we're invincible.

*Isaiah 42:24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.

**Matthew 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

Also as a reminder, this is what makes Gods kingdom great and different from all other governments:

Numbers 33:54 'You shall inherit the land by lot according to your families; to the larger you shall give more inheritance, and to the smaller you shall give less inheritance. Wherever the lot falls to anyone, that shall be his. You shall inherit according to the tribes of your fathers.

So...there is a socialist aspect, everyone has land to grow their own food. Aside from that...sure free market whatever.

(so what I'm saying is, there's just too many damn foreigners here, we are the only one's who might consider doing what's right. Also I would say the U.S. is Babylon and the scriptures look bleak for this place's future)

[palani]

You sound defeated already. ... there are people that stand on the sidelines and people that effect change.

I choose my battles carefully. Being on the wrong side of an issue and winning would be my definition of losing. Figure out where you would like to be and give proper notice of your decision. Crying "trespass" before an injury is nonsense. And dabbling in the misfortunes of others because they did not have the common sense to avoid injury is just plain stupid.

[D sciple]

I choose my battles carefully. Being on the wrong side of an issue and winning would be my definition of losing. Figure out where you would like to be and give proper notice of your decision. Crying "trespass" before an injury is nonsense. And dabbling in the misfortunes of others because they did not have the common sense to avoid injury is just plain stupid.

I do think you're kinda smart to talk without ever saying anything. Like...I lay it all out on a platter and put an X on my chest. F it, I'm invincible. :)

[palani]

I do think you're kinda smart to talk without ever saying anything. Like...I lay it all out on a platter and put an X on my chest. F it, I'm invincible. :)

You are where you are by the law of your being. Some people have no law. Some people prefer not being.

[Horn]

(so what I'm saying is, there's just too many damn foreigners here, we are the only one's who might consider doing what's right. Also I would say the U.S. is Babylon and the scriptures look bleak for this place's future)

God put us here to plot a course within our natural ability to.

Cyclical insanity, and or closed prism pentagrams are the results thus far.

Babylon is inhabited by Babylonians. Even those individuals being so individual (or indivisible) as to fault humanity.

[steyr_m]

but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S.


Serious national security? That should read "an uprising of armed Americans who are pissed off at the Feds for throwing them under the bus for decades now and want real change now like a complete end of the Status Quo, a point addressed, etc."

[Hatha Sunahara]

OK. I thought this might be your answer. So my follow up question is: Why is it that U.S. citizens have refused to waive this right? What's different about American citizens that they have not traded their inalienable right in exchange for police protection? Why have they chosen instead to become the most armed citizenry in the world?

My next follow up is: If there is, in fact, something different about Americans in this regard, then why do we talk about "bugging out" or escaping to some other country in the face of government force or opposition?


The US Government has not tried to disarm its people maybe because that would set off alarm bells in everybody's minds. What the government has done is what they can to make an armed citizenry ineffective. They have militarized the police, who are now as heavily armed as the army, or even more so. And the citizenry are not organized. There are no citizen swat teams to do combat with government swat teams. And what can an armed citizenry do to protect themselves from drones?

Still, heavily armed police have not really been necessary because the people are effectively neutralized by two other government controls--fluoride and media propaganda. We have also been prevented from using our critical thinking abilities by attending public schools and watching TV. They are not afraid of the guns. They are afraid of the peoples will to use them. If they passed a law tomorrow requiring people to turn in their guns, I would bet than 90% of the population would do it without making any noise whatsoever.


Hatha

[undgrd]

The US Government has not tried to disarm its people maybe because that would set off alarm bells in everybody's minds. What the government has done is what they can to make an armed citizenry ineffective. They have militarized the police, who are now as heavily armed as the army, or even more so. And the citizenry are not organized. There are no citizen swat teams to do combat with government swat teams. And what can an armed citizenry do to protect themselves from drones?

Still, heavily armed police have not really been necessary because the people are effectively neutralized by two other government controls--fluoride and media propaganda. We have also been prevented from using our critical thinking abilities by attending public schools and watching TV. They are not afraid of the guns. They are afraid of the peoples will to use them. If they passed a law tomorrow requiring people to turn in their guns, I would bet than 90% of the population would do it without making any noise whatsoever.


Hatha

I would take that bet.

[Son-of-Liberty]

And Canada........

Canada isn't disarmed. We have "gun control" but there is still a lot of guns.

[Awoke]

Even that illusion is failing...look at the GOP and what they're pulling with RP, it's blatant in your face FYou's to anyone that dares goes up against their machine.


Well as much as the illusion of Democracy is failing here, and the LRP is a known fabrication here, the mainstream sheep are still gobbling it up. I speak with people about this and they are scared shitless of Ron Paul because he seems like an extremist and an alarmist to them. Of course if they knew what we knew, RP would seem like Obiwan: Our only hope. But to them he's more like Vader, scaring them with talk of cuts and monetary reform and constitutional adherance.


Hell, they have enough money and I don't think a years worth of profits makes a tinkers damn to them. What I think does matter is getting their chess pieces set up strategically and the "laws" for those pieces to be in place as well.

Money is nothing to these people. Money is not real and they know it. Money is used strictly for control over the pleebs. The money is fiat and fake and intrinsically worthless. They could be using empty peanut shells as currency, and digital peanut shells for their deriviatives and stock manipulations, as long as the pleebs are going to work every day with their heads down, struggling to earn a couple empty peanut shells.

They know that the empty peanut shells are worthless, but they have the "civilized" world tricked into busting ass for them, and committing crimes for them, and so they can use them to buy and accumulate tangibles, but behind the scenes they are hoarding PMs and Land. Sure as hell we should be too.

Fiat money is stricly a control tool. Nothing more.

Now get back to work, for less and less every year.

[Awoke]

Then why are the citizens of other countries so poorly armed?

Forceful tyranical despotism.

[JohnQPublic]

I was talking to a Brazilian about gun control in their country. He said that it is difficult to get a gun there. He said there is an exception- if you own a country house, you can get a gun. He then chuckled and said that it seems that just about everyone in Brazil owns a country house.

[Horn]

I was talking to a Brazilian about gun control in their country. He said that it is difficult to get a gun there. He said there is an exception- if you own a country house, you can get a gun. He then chuckled and said that it seems that just about everyone in Brazil owns a country house.

Its about the same here in Costa Rica, except is for a place of business.

And the available calibers are much less then law enforcement's allowance of course.

Independent security companies are every 500 meters in the city, maybe 20% of those armed.

Its the price of the arms that deters the availability here though. Last I checked it was like $650 for a tiny keltech.

[JDRock]

Could we, a bunch of white boys with shotguns, rifles and such, take out a combined Russian and Chinese invasion?

Like...when we decide to grow a pair and start sniping heads, will they get us when we're weak?
this as a plausible as any scenario imo... while virtually ALL our military is mired in the middle east protecting jews, we are historically the weakest we have ever been. China and russia are STILL motivated by the jewish philosophy of mordechai levy a.k.a. "carl marx".....is anyone so stupid as to think obama would have reason to resist an invasion?

[Sparky]

...
If they passed a law tomorrow requiring people to turn in their guns, I would bet than 90% of the population would do it without making any noise whatsoever.

Hatha
I would take that bet.

Me too. Hands down. I think Hatha be way off on this one.

Raise your hand, GSUS members, if you'd turn in your guns. <crickets>

Now, you may say most gun owners are not GSUS, but I think they are sewn from the same cloth when it comes to protecting themselves.

[solid]

Now, you may say most gun owners are not GSUS, but I think they are sewn from the same cloth when it comes to protecting themselves.

I agree. I can not think of one gun owner I know, who would turn in his or her gun. Not one. What do you say folks?

I'd put it at 10% would turn in their guns. 90% would not.

[Horn]

I think 50% would hold, and try to double their take on the black market afterwards.

[steyr_m]

Could we, a bunch of white boys with shotguns, rifles and such, take out a combined Russian and Chinese invasion?


If I lived in the US, and there was a Sino-Russian invasion; I wouldn't fight them. I would point the way to DC.

To me, fighting them is like fighting for the elite. If they didn't leave after the war was won, then I'd think about picking up a rifle.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Turn in your guns. It's the law!

Turn in your gold. It's the law.

Kill yourself. It's the law.

We are law abiding citizens. I'd like to see people with some cojones, but I doubt that I will.


Hatha

[milehi]

This Saturday is the LAPD gun buyback. You can get a $100 grocery voucher for a handguns, shotguns and rifles. $200 for "assault rifles" as classified in the state of California. I wonder what they would think if one were to show up and offer a better deal. $250 for a "assault rifle"?

http://www.lapdonline.org/

[D sciple]

This Saturday is the LAPD gun buyback. You can get a $100 grocery voucher for a handguns, shotguns and rifles. $200 for "assult rifles" as classified in the state of California. I wonder what they would think if one were to show up and offer a better deal. $250 for a "assult rifle"?

http://www.lapdonline.org/

Ha, this^^ is genius. Set up a table next to them and outbid them, then sell them for 350+ the following week*.

*if necessary

[mick silver]

Well as much as the illusion of Democracy is failing here, and the LRP is a known fabrication here, the mainstream sheep are still gobbling it up. I speak with people about this and they are scared shitless of Ron Paul because he seems like an extremist and an alarmist to them. Of course if they knew what we knew, RP would seem like Obiwan: Our only hope. But to them he's more like Vader, scaring them with talk of cuts and monetary reform and constitutional adherance.



Money is nothing to these people. Money is not real and they know it. Money is used strictly for control over the pleebs. The money is fiat and fake and intrinsically worthless. They could be using empty peanut shells as currency, and digital peanut shells for their deriviatives and stock manipulations, as long as the pleebs are going to work every day with their heads down, struggling to earn a couple empty peanut shells.

They know that the empty peanut shells are worthless, but they have the "civilized" world tricked into busting ass for them, and committing crimes for them, and so they can use them to buy and accumulate tangibles, but behind the scenes they are hoarding PMs and Land. Sure as hell we should be too.

Fiat money is stricly a control tool. Nothing more.

Now get back to work, for less and less every year.

you just said it all . they know the paper is fake and could care less

[Awoke]

I lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident.

[mick silver]

someone broke in and took my BB gun

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

FYI they did an "update" last Tuesday.

http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm

but to be honest - the only "new" info was that the source had sat in another Dept. of da fadderlund briefing and his take was that Obama's people would do ANYTHING to keep the POS in power.

pisses me off when I listen for an hour only to hear something I already know.

[gunDriller]

I lost all my guns in a terrible boating accident.

i lost my boat in a terrible gun accident. after the other boating accident.


which reminds me -

Obama = Voting Accident

i lost my country in a terrible Voting Accident. 2 Voting Accidents, actually.