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palani
4th May 2012, 05:44 PM
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A birth certificate is a legal act of civil status . It is a deed , signed by a registrar .

The singular, the term refers to the official document issued by the registrar following a declaration of birth .

Plural, in civil law, the birth certificates agree a class of vital records, including birth certificates, judgments concerning changes of name or surname, and the act of recognition of an illegitimate child.

In the margin or are civil marriages and, since 1945, death.


In Quebec

English equivalents of the terms "birth certificate" and "birth certificate" in Quebec law are respectively act of birth and birth certificate .

A birth certificate issued before 1 January 1994 can not be used to prove citizenship to obtain a passport or through other administrative formality.

Indeed? What happened in 1994 to disqualify birth certificates from proving citizenship?
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In any case, it was held that interest of public works to ensure that any person is equipped with a vital . Each person has a right to marital status, and should enjoy it.
I suppose if you aren't enjoying your marital status you are doing something wrong?

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Marital status is the status of the person in the family and society , the result of a procedure written to identify administrative . Marital status and also means the public service responsible for drawing up the deeds evidencing these facts , including birth certificates , of marriage and death . An International Commission on Civil Status was created after World War II to coordinate the government approaches. A birth certificate is a deed. It creates a person. That person has a marital status, life and death.

palani
4th May 2012, 05:55 PM
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In positive law
In France

Interest of public works to ensure that any person who usually lives in France, even if born abroad and has a foreign nationality, is equipped with a civil status . The French court of the domicile of that person is competent to declare his birth.

In case of destruction of vital records, for example after a fire, whatever evidence is acceptable, including the testimony, under Article 46 of the Civil Code .

So a foreigner in France can have his birth declared by a French court. Of course courts only deal with persons so a person must be declared to exist before any French court (or any court) can impose their sentence on that "person".

palani
4th May 2012, 05:58 PM
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the Martin Guerre case , decided by the Parliament of Toulouse in 1560, shows the difficulty of making identification of reliably in the absence of written documents.

Documents establish the creation of a "person". That "person" is tied to you because you produce the document.

Hatha Sunahara
4th May 2012, 06:22 PM
Your papers please?


Hatha

palani
4th May 2012, 06:25 PM
Your papers please?


Hatha

Precisely

My own papers are of my administrative procedure which goes a long way to establishing my status with respect to any government.

Glass
4th May 2012, 06:28 PM
So a BC is a Deed, not a bond.

I guess the issue is, post presenting a BC and creating links of "existence" between the BC and the man, how can the man extricate themself from that linkage. there appears to be no means that will be aknowledged by any player/actor in the system.

To me, it would appear that the most workable method is for the Deed to fall into disuse. The declaratory methods, by individual or by court are difficult to have recognised.

I do know that they do take notice of the actions of someone doing this but the actions in response are to thwart the declarative process. I have been witness to such a process playing out at the moment. It has been enlightening. They did some interesting things to prepare their court. There was clearly a lot of background communication between governent parties to perpare the venue. I think a specific person was chosen to administer things on their side.

Glass
4th May 2012, 06:46 PM
Wiki has some interesting things to say about deeds:

A deed is any legal instrument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_instrument) in writing which passes, or affirms or confirms something which passes, an interest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest), right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right), or property (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property) and that is signed, attested, delivered, and in some jurisdictions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29) sealed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_%28emblem%29). A deed, also known as an instrument in solemn form, is the most formal type of private instrument requiring not only the maker of the deed (grantor, transferor) but also attesting witnesses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness) as signatories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature). A deed has therefore a greater presumption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption) of validity and is less rebuttable than an instrument under hand, i.e., signed by the party to the deed only, or an instrument under seal. A deed can be unilateral or bilateral. Deeds include conveyances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conveyancing), commissions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract), licenses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License), patents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent), diplomas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma), and conditionally powers of attorney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_attorney) if executed as deeds. The deed is the modern descendant of the medieval charter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter), and delivery is thought to symbolically replace the ancient ceremony of livery of seisin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery_of_seisin).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed#cite_note-0)


The use of attesting witnesses has replaced to a large extent the former use of seals to create a higher degree of formalism; this explains the traditional formula signed, sealed and delivered and why agreements under seal are also called contracts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract) by deed. Where the use of seals continues, deeds are nothing more than a special type of instrument under seal, hence the name specialty for a contract under seal. Specialties differ from a simple contract, i.e., a contract under hand, in that they are enforceable without consideration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consideration) (i.e. gratuitous), in some jurisdictions have a liability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_liability) limitation period of double that of a simple contract, and allow for a third party beneficiary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_beneficiary) to enforce an undertaking in the deed, thereby overcoming the doctrine of privity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privity_of_contract).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed#cite_note-1) Specialties, as a form of contract, are bilateral (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bilateral) and can therefore be distinguished from covenants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28law%29), which, being also under seal, are unilateral promises.

At common law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law), to be valid and enforceable, a deed must fulfill several requirements:


It must state on its face it is a deed, using wording like "This Deed..." or "executed as a deed".
It must indicate that the instrument itself conveys some privilege or thing to someone. This is indicated by using the word hereby or the phrase by these presents in the clause indicating the gift.
The grantor must have the legal ability to grant the thing or privilege, and the grantee must have the legal capacity to receive it.
It must be executed by the grantor in presence of the prescribed number of witnesses, known as instrumentary witnesses (this is known as being in solemn form).
In some jurisdictions, a seal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_%28device%29) must be affixed to it. Originally, affixing seals made persons parties to the deed and signatures were optional, but most jurisdictions made seals outdated, and now the signatures of the grantor and witnesses are primary.
It must be delivered to (delivery) and accepted by the grantee (acceptance).
It should be, but not necessarily, properly acknowledged (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acknowledgment_%28law%29) before a competent officer, most often a registrar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder_of_deeds) (deeds office, deeds registry) or notary public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notary_public).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed#cite_note-2)

Conditions attached to the acceptance of a deed are known as covenants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_%28law%29). A deed indented or indenture is one executed in two or more parts according to the number of parties, which were formerly separated by cutting in a curved or indented line known as the chirograph.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed#cite_note-3) A deed poll (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed_poll) is one executed in one part, by one party, having the edge polled or cut even, and includes simple grants and appointments.


There is some descriptions of types of deeds also at the link. Reading to see which one most closely describes a BC. My BC certainly fits the form of a deed. What type of contract does it form? A Deed of Trust?


Deed of trust In some jurisdictions, a deed of trust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law#The_trust_instrument) is used as an alternative to a mortgage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_law). A deed of trust is not used to transfer property directly. It is commonly used in some states — California, for example — to transfer title to land to a “trustee”, usually a trust or title company, which holds the title as security ("in escrow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escrow)") for a loan. When the loan is paid off, title is transferred to the borrower by recording a release of the obligation, and the trustee's contingent ownership is extinguished. Otherwise, upon default, the trustee will liquidate the property with a new deed and offset the lender's loss with the proceeds.


The part about the third party beneficiary enforcing undertakings of the deed is interesting. I'm sure I read on the wiki about a method to disolve a deed. I can't see it now.
Wiki Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed

MNeagle
4th May 2012, 07:11 PM
A birth certificate is a deed. It creates a person. That person has a marital status, life and death.

You forgot taxes.

ETA: or is that via Social Security?

palani
4th May 2012, 07:17 PM
You forgot taxes.

ETA: or is that via Social Security?

Taxes are on value. Have no value? Taxes are nullity. Decide to be valuable? Pay taxes.

Libertytree
4th May 2012, 07:29 PM
You can split these fucking hairs all ******* day long but there ain't none of it gonna help ya when it comes right down to it.

palani
4th May 2012, 07:32 PM
You can split these fucking hairs all ******* day long but there ain't none of it gonna help ya when it comes right down to it.

You have already proven you are deficient in language skills. You have nothing more to prove.

Libertytree
4th May 2012, 07:56 PM
You have already proven you are deficient in language skills. You have nothing more to prove.

I speak regular and plain, there ain't any doubts about what I say. I know you don't understand that concept though because you'd rather talk in circles and puzzles and not say anything in the process. If I were trying to prove something in the 1st place you would have had a point.

7th trump
4th May 2012, 08:01 PM
Taxes are on value. Have no value? Taxes are nullity. Decide to be valuable? Pay taxes.

Taxes are a direct result of "employment", not "value".
"Employment" is restrictive to the purpose of Social Security only.
You sign a W4 ONLY as a result for participating in Social Security.
Millions of Americans didnt pay a cent to federal or state revenue agencies until they participated in Social Security.
In 1940 the filed 1040s sky rocketed by the millions as a result of the 1939 tax code which had in it for the first time in history chapter 21 (Social Security).

Social security has no mandate of participation....none, zilch, nada!
Dont participate and all, and I mean all, requirements of reporting of "wages" (aka "income") is legally stopped!

Taxes have absolutely no ties to the birth certificate or "value" period!

Beleive what you want Palani about the BC and "value"......you're blowing bullshit up theses peoples behinds!
You yourself admit you dont study the tax rules and regulations so why are acting as though you have any idea how the tax impositions are imposed?
For a guy who talks a bunch about laws and its various forms you sure dont have a clue about the restrictive nature set forth by the US Constitution!
I'm not talking about the Articles either....so dont bring it up to hide behind it!

palani
4th May 2012, 08:08 PM
Taxes are a direct result of "employment", not "value".

Heard of ad valorem taxes? Property taxes? They are payable in mils but I expect they will take FRNs as well.

palani
4th May 2012, 08:14 PM
If I were trying to prove something in the 1st place you would have had a point.

Things are not proved these days. You either believe something or you know something. Should you believe you are relying upon "facts" then ponder the following from etymology online


fact
1530s, "action," especially "evil deed," from L. factum "event, occurrence," lit. "thing done," neut. pp. of facere "to do" (see factitious). Usual modern sense of "thing known to be true" appeared 1630s, from notion of "something that has actually occurred." Facts of life "harsh realities" is from 1854; specific sense of "human sexual functions" first recorded 1913.

Have facts? Then you are holding knowledge of an "evil deed".

Coppiceman asks you for facts and you give him anything ... you are acknowledging that you know of "evil deeds". Is this what you thought you were giving him?

7th trump
4th May 2012, 08:16 PM
Heard of ad valorem taxes? Property taxes? They are payable in mils but I expect they will take FRNs as well.
Well lets get to the source of property taxes shall we? Mils and Frn have no bearing on the cause of the imposition.
Its called a registry...and I'm sure you can pay in wagon loads of cow shit or your labor, so who really cares how its paid.
How about getting down to where the rubber meets the road instead of your usual bedazzling word speak...huh?

Libertytree
4th May 2012, 08:29 PM
Things are not proved these days. You either believe something or you know something. Should you believe you are relying upon "facts" then ponder the following from etymology online



Have facts? Then you are holding knowledge of an "evil deed".

Coppiceman asks you for facts and you give him anything ... you are acknowledging that you know of "evil deeds". Is this what you thought you were giving him?

There ya go again with riddles and arcane, antiquated nonsense.

Gave who what?

palani
5th May 2012, 03:43 AM
Well lets get to the source of property taxes shall we? ...Its called a registry

You get jumbled up talking about different things as if they are the same.

Your occupation is electrician so consider this concept. Think of registration as the switch that either turns current on or off. The battery is the value of the thing taxed. The larger the battery voltage the more current (taxes) flow. The mil rate is a current limiting resistor (a rate established by legislation) (to make a Norton equivalent as opposed to a Thevenin) and the actual tax as the flow of current through the circuit.

You might even get more sophisticated and add a capacitor to the circuit to accumulate the current with some form of avalanche device that transfers the charge (accumulated taxes) from the capacitor periodically to the state in a dirac delta manner.

Now that you have modeled taxes as an electrical circuit consider what happens when your battery is discharged (the property has zero value) and you close the switch (register the property). How much current (taxes) are going to flow?

palani
5th May 2012, 03:46 AM
Gave who what?

Should you find you have no facts then precisely HOW are you going to prove anything?

Glass
5th May 2012, 04:13 AM
There ya go again with riddles and arcane, antiquated nonsense.

Gave who what?

There are several veins of law going on. The common side of it has antiquated roots so discussion about it sounds antiquated, however manyt of these things are still valid today. Occasionally the words used are more modern even though the concepts are ancient. Sometimes the concepts stand in their original antiquated form. The antiquated form often offers refuge from the civil/equity version of law, the current practices in most law venues.

If an old man being a carpenter showed you is wooden finishing plane you might consider it antiquated compare to your electric plane but it does the same job and possibly in some situations is a more suitable tool than the electric one.

Taxes are rent for the use of a private currency or perhaps property. There's nothing mystical about them.

7th trump
5th May 2012, 07:18 AM
You get jumbled up talking about different things as if they are the same.

Your occupation is electrician so consider this concept. Think of registration as the switch that either turns current on or off. The battery is the value of the thing taxed. The larger the battery voltage the more current (taxes) flow. The mil rate is a current limiting resistor (a rate established by legislation) (to make a Norton equivalent as opposed to a Thevenin) and the actual tax as the flow of current through the circuit.

You might even get more sophisticated and add a capacitor to the circuit to accumulate the current with some form of avalanche device that transfers the charge (accumulated taxes) from the capacitor periodically to the state in a dirac delta manner.

Now that you have modeled taxes as an electrical circuit consider what happens when your battery is discharged (the property has zero value) and you close the switch (register the property). How much current (taxes) are going to flow?
Go to any city assessor's office. They will tell you in order for property to be taxed it has to in the registry.
I know this because thats just what I asked. I also asked for the law stipulating the authority for them to assess me a tax....they gave it to me.
Take the property off the registry (pull the battery) and you dont pay taxes...........however, you dont have city garbage removal nor police and emergeny responses either.
Its just another service local governments offer the People to collect revenue from.
Has absolutely nothing at all do to with value. A "valueable" piece of property can be taken off the registry and still not taxed.
Its that simple Palani.

Stop listening to that quack David Merrill and his retarded fiat vs lawful money theories............hes legally registered as "incompetent".
He makes shit up because he cant understand the tax laws so he replaces what he doesnt understand with theory and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Americans had fiat reserve currency notes in the their pockets since the Act was enacted in 1913 and yet they didnt pay a dime in federal taxes until the advent of Social Security being put in Title 26 in 1939 to which they filed a 1040 in 1940.
If these quacks ever incorporated "history" in their thesis they would have a better understanding of whats going on but they dont only to find themselves in front of a court for causing damages.

7th trump
5th May 2012, 07:20 AM
Should you find you have no facts then precisely HOW are you going to prove anything?
Exactly Palani, you havent any facts, so what are you proving besides talking in circles?

palani
5th May 2012, 11:21 AM
Exactly Palani, you havent any facts, so what are you proving besides talking in circles?

If I had to hazard a guess then mine would be that you don't know how to model electrical circuits and that you do not fully consider all aspects of a problem before jumping to a conclusion. No offense intended.

7th trump
5th May 2012, 02:17 PM
No offense taken Palani, I consider the source.
Coming from a guy who talks law forms and yet refuses to study any revenue laws (facts) when talking revenue laws doesnt have a lot of creditability where I come from.
I dont ask a plumbers advice for carpenter knowledge....know what I mean?

palani
5th May 2012, 02:30 PM
Coming from a guy who talks law forms and yet refuses to study any revenue laws (facts)

Why should I claim to be an expert in revenue laws when I only transact business in specie?

Hatha Sunahara
5th May 2012, 02:46 PM
Perhaps the most indecent part of the Berth Certificate is that they trick mothers into being informants on all their children. There is a blank place where you enter the name of the informer: The Mother, or other informer. Seems like anybody could be an informer. Once mom signs it with all the particulars for the new slave, the hospital or 'other informer' gets some money, and the BC becomes a security. So, what value does it have? Is it a claim to the slave? If the government defaults, could its creditors come around and take possession of their slave? And where does the money come from that pays the hospital? Does it show ownership of a 'voluntary slave'--someone who is fooled into believing he is free? Why do they hang on to the originals? Is this the paper they use to establish our straw man? Does this breathe life into the strawman? What if all the mothers became aware of this fraud and refused to sign any birth certificates. Would that put an end to slavery? Imagine that! Such sheer evil genius that dreamed this one up. Get the mothers to turn their children over to the state for a lifetime of servitude. Willingly!

And it is equally satanic that the state wants to be a party to the contract one has with their spouse. In a marriage license. Can the state separate people who are married without a license? But people go out and get marriage licenses 'just to make it legal'. What are they gonna do? Charge you with 'marriage without a license'?

And when you die, they need a death certificate. Now that tells me that somebody is keeping an inventory of the slaves. They need to know when the slave expires. So, who owns us people with birth certificates? Or is that none of our business? Shut up, slave.


Hatha

7th trump
5th May 2012, 03:37 PM
Why should I claim to be an expert in revenue laws when I only transact business in specie?
Species wont stop any property thats listed in the registry from being collected on and/or forfieted as a result of nonpayment.
The same is true for a person engaged in Social Security...being paid in species doesnt stop the reporting of "wages" to the government. Doesnt even stop the requirement of a W4 when participating in SS.
"Employment" is not prejudice as to what medium (specie) you are paid in.....the W3 will be sent to the SSA and the IRS will use the info from the SSA to assess the income tax.

Social Security
3121
(a) Wages
For purposes of this chapter, the term “wages” means all remuneration for employment, including the cash value of all remuneration (including benefits) paid in any medium other than cash; except that such term shall not include—

palani
5th May 2012, 04:23 PM
Species wont stop any property thats listed in the registry from being collected on and/or forfieted as a result of nonpayment.
I don't know what "species" is.

Here is the basis for registering property with the government




The Declaration of Independence:

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
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And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Anything you register is a pledge.

The rest of your post (while true) is mere obfuscation.

7th trump
5th May 2012, 05:39 PM
I don't know what "species" is.

Here is the basis for registering property with the government




Anything you register is a pledge.

The rest of your post (while true) is mere obfuscation.
And again what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
I dont care what the basis of the registry is palani, its irrevalent to your question of "specie".
I want to know why you are telling everyone here property taxes are a result of fiat, when in fact, it is not....you just called yourself a liar!
Do you realize how many times you have contradicted yourself already?

palani
5th May 2012, 05:44 PM
Do you realize how many times you have contradicted yourself already?

Have you considered anger management?

7th trump
5th May 2012, 06:12 PM
Have you considered anger management?
Have you considered just answering the question?

Are you capable of answering the question?

palani
5th May 2012, 06:21 PM
Have you considered just answering the question?

Refer to model. You are an electrician. Figure it out. That is what models are for.

Property taxes are based upon VALUE. Whether they are owed are not is based upon a binary switch called REGISTRATION. The basis is the Declaration of Independence where your fore-bearers chose to pledge their estates. Pledging of estates is done thru REGISTRATION.

Property is not valued in specie because there is not enough specie in circulation to meet the demand should this be a requirement. Therefore value is given in legal tender (such as is required to be accepted by a creditor).

If you care to test this suggestion take a silver dollar in to pay a portion of your next property tax payment. Be sure and tell the treasurer that the 1866 law is still on the books in Iowa telling county treasurers to keep a separate accounting book for specie payments.

Ask to see that book.

Can you think of any question I have not answered? Think hard.

7th trump
5th May 2012, 07:18 PM
Refer to model. You are an electrician. Figure it out. That is what models are for.

Property taxes are based upon VALUE. Whether they are owed are not is based upon a binary switch called REGISTRATION. The basis is the Declaration of Independence where your fore-bearers chose to pledge their estates. Pledging of estates is done thru REGISTRATION.

Property is not valued in specie because there is not enough specie in circulation to meet the demand should this be a requirement. Therefore value is given in legal tender (such as is required to be accepted by a creditor).

If you care to test this suggestion take a silver dollar in to pay a portion of your next property tax payment. Be sure and tell the treasurer that the 1866 law is still on the books in Iowa telling county treasurers to keep a separate accounting book for specie payments.

Ask to see that book.

Can you think of any question I have not answered? Think hard.
Now see that wasnt all that hard to admit property taxes are hinged on the sole issue of registration (voluntary, not compulsion) and not any amount of specie or fiat (value) now was it sport?
Specie or fiat has absolutely nothing at all to do with the imposition itself.............the register does though!
I knew you could do it....way to go palani!

Any property can be removed from the register to stop the assessor from assessing property taxes.

Carl
5th May 2012, 11:23 PM
Both of you guys are so F.O.S.

There is nothing onerous or nefarious about registering your property or the birth of your child, it establishes a chain of LAWFUL OWNERSHIP and INHERITENCE.

It is one of the ways your Unalienable Right To Property is lawfully protected, the other is with a gun.

See: On Birth Certificates... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60913-On-Birth-Certificates...)

Glass
5th May 2012, 11:40 PM
Both of you guys are so F.O.S.

There is nothing onerous or nefarious about registering your property or the birth of your child, it establishes a chain of LAWFUL OWNERSHIP and INHERITENCE.

It is one of the ways your Unalienable Right To Property is lawfully protected, the other is with a gun.

See: On Birth Certificates... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60913-On-Birth-Certificates...)

Registration is different from Recording. In the old day's you used the Country Recorders Office to Record the transfer of title or deed. Now days you make "application" for "registration". By doing so you create an environment suitable for an equitable claim to arise.

Marriages were historically Recorded, not Registered. The Family Bible or Parish Records usually sufficed. Same with Births, the family Bible usually sufficed to Record the birth, but not Register it.

palani
6th May 2012, 05:15 AM
property taxes are hinged on the sole issue of registration (voluntary, not compulsion) and not any amount of specie or fiat (value) now was it sport?.

You have no facts. Neither do I. We propose theories yet hesitate to test theories because the testing can be expensive. We also do not test theories because the theory could be proved incorrect.

The latest theory is CERTIFICATE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. The theory is that the county collects property taxes because there has been no acceptance of the property by the owner. In this theory you file said certificate which essentially acknowledges that the tenant has accept the deed transferring the property to him and he is now in full legal ownership. The rent (property tax) collected can escheat back to the owner retroactively 3 years and no further taxes are owed.

This theory is presently being tested in Dubuque. The CERTIFICATE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT was prominently sent NUNC PRO TUNC.

palani
6th May 2012, 05:20 AM
There is nothing onerous or nefarious about registering your property or the birth of your child, it establishes a chain of LAWFUL OWNERSHIP and INHERITENCE.

Basic principle: If you are paying tax and stop paying and the item being taxed is removed from your possession without further due process then YOU ARE NOT THE LEGAL OWNER. This applies to any property you pay rent (taxes) on or any property that is subject to being seized to satisfy past taxes. In a communist country this is EVERYTHING. That is the way it is in the U.S.

As to inheritance I trust you have no heirs. The determination of heirs occurs upon your death and you don't appear to be dead to me. Even death does not stop the new heirs from happening should you die when your wife has a bun in the oven.

I don't create the tea leaves. I do attempt to interpret them though.

palani
6th May 2012, 05:23 AM
Registration is different from Recording. In the old day's you used the Country Recorders Office to Record the transfer of title or deed. Now days you make "application" for "registration". By doing so you create an environment suitable for an equitable claim to arise.

In the U.S. (at least the part I am familiar with) the deed gets taken to the recorders office, they send it to the treasurer who stamps it ENTERED FOR TAXATION and then it is returned. I suppose most people (myself included) would not see the opportunity presented for 72 hours to send a letter requesting clarification of this process.

Carl
6th May 2012, 08:10 AM
Registration is different from Recording. In the old day's you used the Country Recorders Office to Record the transfer of title or deed. Now days you make "application" for "registration". By doing so you create an environment suitable for an equitable claim to arise.

Marriages were historically Recorded, not Registered. The Family Bible or Parish Records usually sufficed. Same with Births, the family Bible usually sufficed to Record the birth, but not Register it.

Could you please explain the process of making "application" for "registration". Could you please provide examples of these "applications for registration".

An "equitable claim" is a claim for remedy which does not involve money.

Book
7th May 2012, 07:48 AM
My own papers are of my administrative procedure which goes a long way to establishing my status with respect to any government.



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:D you tell 'em Palani

palani
7th May 2012, 10:15 AM
you tell 'em Palani

Fear is your argument? If so you are going to die a thousand deaths before I die once.