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freespirit
5th May 2012, 11:15 AM
A student in N.S. was suspended over a pro-Jesus T-shirt that offended his classmates. Did the school board go too far?

http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/student_suspended_for_wearing_offensive_jesus_t-shirt/4b592c16


Even though faculty at Forest Heights Community School in Chester Basin, N.S. had repeatedly told Grade 12 student William Swinimer to stop wearing his "Life is wasted without Jesus" T-shirt to school, the boy continued doing so. When more and more students began complaining to teachers that the shirt was "offensive," the school felt it had no other choice but to suspend the boy for five days.

Superintendent Nancy Pynch-Worthylake says that students are allowed to express their beliefs in a way that doesn't criticize others. She says that if the boy had worn a shirt that read, "My life is enhanced with Jesus" or "My life is wasted without Jesus," then there would be no problem, but the wording on Swinimer's shirt takes aim at other people's beliefs.

The issue has sparked a national debate, and while many of Swinimer's supporters plan on wearing the shirt to school today to show solidarity, the N.S. Education Minister stands behind the South Shore Regional School Board's suspension decision. But does the ban on the T-shirt and the five-day suspension infringe on the boy's freedom of speech?

Although I don't personally find the shirt offensive, I'm going to have to side with the school on this one. It's one thing to hold your own beliefs and express them, and it's another to force them onto other people in a demeaning way. School is not the place for that, especially when it comes to matters of religion, which are already heated and personal. When a student displays his or her beliefs, whatever they may be, in such a way that other students feel uncomfortable or insulted, then that student has gone too far. It's no longer an issue of freedom of speech or religion but rather one of what is and is not deemed suitable for public school.

The school had every right to ask Swinimer not to wear a shirt because it was provocative enough to insult the other kids. The school had to act. They tried mediation with Swinimer numerous times, but he wouldn't budge. He felt it was his duty and right to wear the shirt, and according to other students, Swinimer also felt it was his duty and right to openly preach his religion to students whether they wanted to hear it or not.

The boy's pastor, Varrick Day, says that Swinimer thinks "he is being bullied by the school itself, not the students, when it comes to his freedom of speech within the school and his freedom of sharing his faith." But keep in mind, this is also the same man who says that having "the love of God in schools is what we need, and William is trying to do that. He is trying to talk with students and give the students open love and tell them that there is a better way of living."

Swinimer says that he isn't trying to offend anyone, but whether he choses to believe it or not, he is offending some of his classmates. He is free to do what he likes outside of school property, but on school grounds, he is required to act in accordance with the rules. I don't think he was punished for his religious beliefs but rather for his inability to comply with the rules of the school.

What do you think?

...video at link...

StreetsOfGold
5th May 2012, 11:52 AM
Matthew 26:33 Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Luke 7:23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Shami-Amourae
5th May 2012, 12:05 PM
This Statism embaresses me as an atheist. Just please remember that this is the will of Statists, not all atheists. Atheists who love government, worship it as their god.

Twisted Titan
5th May 2012, 01:27 PM
He was wearing the wrong shirt........

Glass
5th May 2012, 04:11 PM
If they want to dictate what the students can wear then they need to implement a uniform clothing policy and have everyone dress the same. I would argue on the grounds of a lack of uniform policy. Then all the little whiners will have to wear the same clothes. That should sort out the dissent.

Santa
5th May 2012, 04:35 PM
When more and more students began complaining to teachers that the shirt was "offensive," the school felt it had no other choice but to suspend the boy for five days.
Complaining to authority figures for "offensive" behavior aught to be a bannable offense.

freespirit
5th May 2012, 04:45 PM
Complaining to authority figures for "offensive" behavior aught to be a bannable offense.

i think that since the only source stating that some students were offended was the school itself, i would highly doubt the validity of their statement. i doubt the students were complaining to the school, more likely the school is asserting that this is the case in order to justify their actions.

welcome to the tenth plank, eh?

Uncle Salty
5th May 2012, 05:19 PM
i think that since the only source stating that some students were offended was the school itself, i would highly doubt the validity of their statement. i doubt the students were complaining to the school, more likely the school is asserting that this is the case in order to justify their actions.

welcome to the tenth plank, eh?

I don't know. Jesus freaks can get pretty annoying. Maybe this kid was just an annoying Jesus freak and the kids got tired of hearing about it. So, they complained about the t-shirt.

Santa
5th May 2012, 05:48 PM
Screw that. What happened to the good old days when you'd just smack down the annoying little twit and be done with it.

Whining to authority is bullshit. Though who knows, Freespirit may be correct in his assumption that the school just made it up on the fly.

freespirit
5th May 2012, 06:14 PM
I don't know. Jesus freaks can get pretty annoying. Maybe this kid was just an annoying Jesus freak and the kids got tired of hearing about it. So, they complained about the t-shirt.

that is a distinct possibility Uncle Salty

the only reason i think it's bullshit is that no students came forward to verify the school's claims, but the school had no problem finding an employee that would go on the record (based upon what was reported anyways...)

freespirit
5th May 2012, 06:18 PM
If they want to dictate what the students can wear then they need to implement a uniform clothing policy and have everyone dress the same. I would argue on the grounds of a lack of uniform policy. Then all the little whiners will have to wear the same clothes. That should sort out the dissent.

I personally don't have a problem with mandatory uniforms for school, it certainly has it's merits. At the very least, they could institute some form of dress code restrictions stipulating no clothing with any writing on it, or something similar.

dys
5th May 2012, 07:51 PM
I personally don't have a problem with mandatory uniforms for school, it certainly has it's merits. At the very least, they could institute some form of dress code restrictions stipulating no clothing with any writing on it, or something similar.

I have a huge problem with a dress code for school children. It's just another way to remove the individuality out of individuals.

dys

freespirit
5th May 2012, 07:58 PM
I have a huge problem with a dress code for school children. It's just another way to remove the individuality out of individuals.

dys

i understand what you're saying dys, but my feelings on the dress code thing are that it removes a lot of the class segregation that is prevalent in the schools (and pretty much everywhere else these days,) removing the distraction of who has what and who has not. school isn't meant to be a fashion show, they are there to learn. they can be as fashionable as they want during non-school hours.

dys
5th May 2012, 09:21 PM
i understand what you're saying dys, but my feelings on the dress code thing are that it removes a lot of the class segregation that is prevalent in the schools (and pretty much everywhere else these days,) removing the distraction of who has what and who has not. school isn't meant to be a fashion show, they are there to learn. they can be as fashionable as they want during non-school hours.

I have to tell you, I vociferously disagree. First of all, they sure as hell ain't there to learn. Sure, that's the pretense, but it's not the reality...the reality is something much darker, and a BIG PART of that reality is removing every single original thought from these kids' minds. It's all based on authoritarianism, and dictating how someone can and cannot dress is certainly an authoritarian concept. Control, conform, restrict, etc...

dys

freespirit
6th May 2012, 06:55 AM
I have to tell you, I vociferously disagree. First of all, they sure as hell ain't there to learn. Sure, that's the pretense, but it's not the reality...the reality is something much darker, and a BIG PART of that reality is removing every single original thought from these kids' minds. It's all based on authoritarianism, and dictating how someone can and cannot dress is certainly an authoritarian concept. Control, conform, restrict, etc...

dys

we are all aware of the realities of the public education system, dys. that alone could fill a sub forum. for the purposes of this discussion, lets go along with the pretense that they are there to learn something.

at the end of the day, a uniform or some dress code would have made the idea of a 5 day suspension for a t-shirt moot.
when these children get out into the real world, they will be required to wear some type of uniform or professional/suitable attire to work, so what difference does it make if they start in school?

if the students wore uniforms (and yes, they can be fashionable) they might just begin to take their education more seriously. just my opinion.

iOWNme
6th May 2012, 07:03 AM
Would Satan let me wear a Jesus Tshirt while spending an eternity in damnation?

So why would a Communist school system allow a child to be an individual?



lets go along with the pretense that they are there to learn something.

ANY time you start a debate with a false premise, you can ONLY end up with a false outcome. No matter how much correct logic you apply, the outcome will be incorrect. No other way is possible.



#10 - Free education for all children in Public Schools.



Americans CONTINUE to argue about the symptom, yet do not have the intellectual capacity to address the problem.

freespirit
6th May 2012, 07:33 AM
Would Satan let me wear a Jesus Tshirt while spending an eternity in damnation?

So why would a Communist school system allow a child to be an individual?




ANY time you start a debate with a false premise, you can ONLY end up with a false outcome. No matter how much correct logic you apply, the outcome will be incorrect. No other way is possible.



#10 - Free education for all children in Public Schools.



Americans CONTINUE to argue about the symptom, yet do not have the intellectual capacity to address the problem.


fair enough, Sui.

imo, the shirt would not have offended me, but in reality, if the school had some type of dress code, this whole thing would be a non issue.

freespirit
6th May 2012, 10:20 AM
-UPDATE-

Suspended student allowed to wear 'Jesus' T-shirt

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/05/04/ns-jesus-shirt-student-school.html?cmp=rss


The Nova Scotia student suspended from school for five days for wearing a T-shirt with the slogan "Life Is Wasted Without Jesus" will be allowed to wear it, the school board has ruled.

The student, William Swinimer, along the pastor of his church and officials with the South Shore Regional School Board met Friday to try to bring an end to a disagreement over whether Swinimer should be allowed to wear the T-shirt to class.

Swinimer called the board's decision "awesome" and said he will be wearing his T-shirt to school on Monday.

"Some people say you're not supposed to have religion in school. Well, every other religion is in that school and they constantly put Christianity down," he said.

School board superintendent Nancy Pinch-Worthylake said it will bring in a facilitator on Monday to speak with students at Forest Heights Community School in Chester Basin, Lunenburg County, about how to express their beliefs in a way that is respectful to all.

The board will hold a similar meeting for any interested parents.

Pinch-Worthylake said the board will use this incident as a learning moment for everyone, adding that it is time to move on.

"We're going to be working with students around how they can express their religious views and other views appropriately, and how we work together when those views may be interpreted or misinterupted by others," she said.

"So, the focus is off the T-shirt. Whatever T-shirts come to school on Monday with personal beliefs will not be an issue for us."

The board suspended Swinimer for five days when he refused to stop wearing the T-shirt. It said some students and teachers found the slogan offensive.

Swinimer, a Grade 12 student, said the slogan is an expression of his Christian faith.

The leader of Nova Scotia's Progressive Conservative Party came to Swinimer's defence Friday. Jamie Baillie said the teen has every right to wear the shirt wherever he wants.

"This is the 30th anniversary of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. All Canadians, including Mr. Swinimer, are guaranteed certain rights under that charter … He is exercising his right as a Canadian and I think the school board should stand up for that," Baillie said.

On Thursday, provincial Education Minister Ramona Jennex said she agrees with the school board decision to suspend Swinimer.

He wore the T-shirt every day to class for several weeks, even after the principal told him repeatedly to stop wearing it.

The devout Christian said the T-shirt is an expression of his beliefs, and he never intended to attack anyone else's beliefs.

"I believe there are things that are bigger than me. And I think that I need to stand up for the rights of people in this country, and religious rights and freedom of speech," Swinimer told CBC News Thursday.

Awoke
6th May 2012, 10:29 AM
One thing I like about uniforms is that it stops "Gangsta" dressing. I'm with Dys on it, but I'm also with FreeSpirit on it too. It's a tough call. Knowing the system is trying to destroy any vestiges of individuality to begin with, the uniforms kind of become disarmed anyways. Almost harmless.

I'm kinda torn on that issue.

sirgonzo420
6th May 2012, 01:52 PM
One thing I like about uniforms is that it stops "Gangsta" dressing. I'm with Dys on it, but I'm also with FreeSpirit on it too. It's a tough call. Knowing the system is trying to destroy any vestiges of individuality to begin with, the uniforms kind of because disarmed anyways. Almost harmless.

I'm kinda torn on that issue.

Dys and FreeSpirit should duel to decide who is right.

I suggest machetes for the weapons.

dys
6th May 2012, 05:34 PM
we are all aware of the realities of the public education system, dys. that alone could fill a sub forum. for the purposes of this discussion, lets go along with the pretense that they are there to learn something.

at the end of the day, a uniform or some dress code would have made the idea of a 5 day suspension for a t-shirt moot.
when these children get out into the real world, they will be required to wear some type of uniform or professional/suitable attire to work, so what difference does it make if they start in school?

if the students wore uniforms (and yes, they can be fashionable) they might just begin to take their education more seriously. just my opinion.

Personally, I don't think students taking their educations seriously is necessarily a good thing (at least in the way that I think you mean). Ninety plus percent of what these kids are taught are lies, half truths, and innuendos, as they say. Kind of a tangent for my next comment-

The prevailing sentiment is that kids of today have no respect, are misbehaved, unruly, etc...as compared to previous generations. What no one talks about is that there are cops roaming the halls, cameras everywhere, kids getting arrested for silly non crimes like writing on desks, smoking, etc. My wife's family is in education, so I I'm privy to all of the worst parts of the system- I don't blame kids AT ALL for being angry at the way they are mistreated. OF COURSE kids are going to rebel- wouldn't you?

dys

freespirit
6th May 2012, 05:57 PM
Personally, I don't think students taking their educations seriously is necessarily a good thing (at least in the way that I think you mean). Ninety plus percent of what these kids are taught are lies, half truths, and innuendos, as they say. Kind of a tangent for my next comment-

The prevailing sentiment is that kids of today have no respect, are misbehaved, unruly, etc...as compared to previous generations. What no one talks about is that there are cops roaming the halls, cameras everywhere, kids getting arrested for silly non crimes like writing on desks, smoking, etc. My wife's family is in education, so I I'm privy to all of the worst parts of the system- I don't blame kids AT ALL for being angry at the way they are mistreated. OF COURSE kids are going to rebel- wouldn't you?

dys

i did rebel in school, so did my parents, so did their parents, etc., etc.... nothing new there. every generation rebels against the former to some degree or another.

Santa
7th May 2012, 06:10 AM
I did rebel in school, so did my parents, so did their parents, etc., etc.... nothing new there. every generation rebels against the former to some degree or another. Yeah, I used to think that too, but is it really true?

Younger generations should only need to rebel when prevailing culture changes so fast that the learned wisdom of the age itself is caste out.

When every generation rebels against the previous one it becomes a throwaway culture of the ugliest sort where human beings themselves are thrown away.

Where honoring thy mother and thy father is caste aside in favor of some novelty brought to us by The Media.

Yeah, bell bottoms or long hair or tattoo's or nipple rings or some other such nonsense which really has nothing to do with
true rebellion at all, but only serves to feed children's vanity or self interests.

dys
7th May 2012, 08:16 AM
Let me give you an idea of what I'm talking about-
At a nearby school, cel phones are against the rules...even during lunch or between classes. Certain teachers and admins will take cel phones of students caught using them, AND THEY WON'T GIVE THE PHONES BACK. Keep in mind, this same school has a policy to call the cops if the students are caught with nips or alcohol of any kind. These kids get arrested for the 'crime' of having a drink in between classes. Consider the hypocrisy of a school that engages in blatant theft- and justifies it as ok, that will involve the cops in something so minor as a student sneaking a nip in between classes. To me that is the type of thing that encourages kids to REALLY misbehave- to commit actual crimes like stealing school computers and such.

dys

Canadian-guerilla
7th May 2012, 09:35 AM
Life is wasted without Jesus

i'd be pissed off too seeing this

FUCK ALL RELGIONS

iOWNme
7th May 2012, 09:46 AM
i'd be pissed off too seeing this

FUCK ALL RELGIONS

So you are incapable of letting individuals be themselves? Who are you to judge ANYONE?

If you truly believed in American values, you would fight and die for this person to be able to express themsleves REGARDLESS of your biased opinion of them.

Here is the best part: When you deny a Creator, you are at the same time saying "I will worship the STATE". Because you are going to serve a Master either way. Mans Law or the Creators (Natural) Law; Choose your maker.

Awoke
7th May 2012, 10:03 AM
Dys, the real brainwashing takes place in subjects like Social studies, History and science.

Kids should take their education seriously. Without the basics like the 3R's, you'd be totally screwed in life. It is left up to the parents to disarm the brainwashing that the inculcation centers pound into the minds of their children. I'm not saying it's right, but kids need the basics. They also need to be taught how to think critically and independently.

It's unfortunate that while they are learning these skills (Maybe not the critically and independently part so much) they are also being programmed by the NWO.

But they need the 3R's.

chad
7th May 2012, 10:04 AM
my kids go to catholic school (devil school, there i saved you some time sog). they have uniforms. it saves us arguing over clothes to pick out every day, there's no teasing because sally can't afford a $200 designer sweater, etc. it removes all of that bullshit and lets them focus on learning. i love school uniforms.

Canadian-guerilla
7th May 2012, 10:05 AM
So you are incapable of letting individuals be themselves? Who are you to judge ANYONE?

If you truly believed in American values, you would fight and die for this person to be able to express themsleves REGARDLESS of your biased opinion of them.

Here is the best part: When you deny a Creator, you are at the same time saying "I will worship the STATE". Because you are going to serve a Master either way. Mans Law or the Creators (Natural) Law; Choose your maker.

maybe i should have clarified myself
whatever fairy tale ( the bible ) people want to believe that gives them comfort, fine

i take this " message " to be the same as some bible thumper PREACHING IN MY FACE

my life is wasted without JESUS

fuck him




Great Spirit, guide me today

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5734592_f260.jpg

Santa
7th May 2012, 11:38 AM
my kids go to catholic school (devil school, there i saved you some time sog). they have uniforms. it saves us arguing over clothes to pick out every day, there's no teasing because sally can't afford a $200 designer sweater, etc. it removes all of that bullshit and lets them focus on learning. i love school uniforms.

Well, Mr. Satan worshiper, Lol... then why shouldn't EVERYONE be required to wear uniforms? Maybe it would save us ALL from arguing because Joe Six Pack can't afford that designer sweater. Why should we expect kids to live by different standards than we live by?

Santa
7th May 2012, 11:49 AM
maybe i should have clarified myself
whatever fairy tale ( the bible ) people want to believe that gives them comfort, fine

i take this " message " to be the same as some bible thumper PREACHING IN MY FACE

my life is wasted without JESUS

fuck him




Great Spirit, guide me today

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5734592_f260.jpg

What if the t-shirt said, "Life is wasted without Money"
Would you still be personally offended?

chad
7th May 2012, 12:48 PM
Well, Mr. Satan worshiper, Lol... then why shouldn't EVERYONE be required to wear uniforms? Maybe it would save us ALL from arguing because Joe Six Pack can't afford that designer sweater. Why should we expect kids to live by different standards than we live by?

well, i knew going it it was required, so i viewed it as my choice. public schools, i see it as kind of the same thing. the public elects a school board. if the school board people you elect then choose to enact it, then i guess you made your choice. 6 year olds shouldn't live by the same rules i do. they're 6. my 6 year old thinks giant robots live under the yard.

here's a real life example of what i'm talking about. i once taught for a 3 year period. i had one kid who was dirt poor and basically had 2 sets of clothes. he'd wear a set every other day. the taunting the other kids gave him was horrible. i felt really bad for him (some of us pooled together and bought him some new clothes for xmas).

fast forward 20 years. my daughter has a kid in class who is an absolute snot. even worse, here parents are millionaires. if they could send her to school in gucci, they would. i can promise you she'd get together a posse of other rich girls and taunt the poor kids who have k-mart clothes. instead, she has to wear tan pants and a blue shirt everyday. it removes a whole level of bullshit, and she has to worry about geography instead.

my 2 cents. :)

Awoke
7th May 2012, 12:52 PM
Jude 1:15 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=15#x)

To execute judgment upon all, and to reprove all the ungodly for all the works of their ungodliness, whereby they have done ungodly, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against God.



I know you don't care CG, but I am praying for you and praying that God softens your heart. I'm not bible thumping you, I'm just sayin.

I consider you a brother here on GSus.

iOWNme
7th May 2012, 01:33 PM
my kids go to catholic school (devil school, there i saved you some time sog). they have uniforms. it saves us arguing over clothes to pick out every day, there's no teasing because sally can't afford a $200 designer sweater, etc. it removes all of that bullshit and lets them focus on learning. i love school uniforms.

The problem is Chad the way they have done the extact same thing with childrens minds. You just cant 'see' that they are ALL WEARING THE SAME BRAINS.

You can NEVER solve any problem by forcing EVERYONE to have to do the same thing. That is the absolute DEATH of the individual.

iOWNme
7th May 2012, 01:37 PM
well, i knew going it it was required, so i viewed it as my choice. public schools, i see it as kind of the same thing. the public elects a school board. if the school board people you elect then choose to enact it, then i guess you made your choice. 6 year olds shouldn't live by the same rules i do. they're 6. my 6 year old thinks giant robots live under the yard.

here's a real life example of what i'm talking about. i once taught for a 3 year period. i had one kid who was dirt poor and basically had 2 sets of clothes. he'd wear a set every other day. the taunting the other kids gave him was horrible. i felt really bad for him (some of us pooled together and bought him some new clothes for xmas).

fast forward 20 years. my daughter has a kid in class who is an absolute snot. even worse, here parents are millionaires. if they could send her to school in gucci, they would. i can promise you she'd get together a posse of other rich girls and taunt the poor kids who have k-mart clothes. instead, she has to wear tan pants and a blue shirt everyday. it removes a whole level of bullshit, and she has to worry about geography instead.

my 2 cents. :)


Guess what Chad, that kid who got 'made fun of' is going to grow up with more character that all those other kids COMBINED. Struggle makes character. Fighting for yourself makes character. Going through all kinds of bad stuff as a child builds character.

If you look through history the greatest men and woman have come from nothing. They were born to teen parents, had little to no education and still were able to change the world. How? Because the great struggle of humanity to persevere ourselves through any and all obsticles is what gives us our character.

chad
7th May 2012, 02:35 PM
eh, i don't know, no one besides me is "forcing" my kids to wear uniforms. i choose the school. parents could vote out school board members who want to force uniforms and have free range. some kids respond well to being made fun of. i know 2 personally who killed themselves over it, one with his dad's 410 and the other in front of a train. i suppose it's a fine line.

Buddha
7th May 2012, 02:42 PM
Would Satan let me wear a Jesus Tshirt while spending an eternity in damnation?

So why would a Communist school system allow a child to be an individual?


You really hit the nail on the head with that one Sui.

http://eslgfx.net/gfx/logos/teams/5068000/5068890_medium.jpgBeing a prisoner in communism's chateau, is not much different than Dante's inferno. ;)

iOWNme
7th May 2012, 02:48 PM
eh, i don't know, no one besides me is "forcing" my kids to wear uniforms. i choose the school. parents could vote out school board members who want to force uniforms and have free range. some kids respond well to being made fun of. i know 2 personally who killed themselves over it, one with his dad's 410 and the other in front of a train. i suppose it's a fine line.

Again, children who have been brought up to put value on what others think and say is the problem, not the bullies. You are NEVER going to get rid of the bullies, so you might as well teach your child how to deal with them. By allowing them to get to you, you unknowingly give the bully ALL of his power.

Parents can only do the best they can, by instilling into their children REAL morals and values. The rest is up to the child. But you would have to asmit, that most parents put value into what others think and say, so of course their children are going to follow. Daughter will mimick mother, and son will mimick father.

Santa
7th May 2012, 02:57 PM
6 year olds shouldn't live by the same rules i do. they're 6. my 6 year old thinks giant robots live under the yard.

True, though I guess I was thinking more of standards rather than rules, or laws.
Parents, or society should live by the same standards they expect of their children.
You don't raise kids in prisons and expect them to know what liberty means.


instead, she has to wear tan pants and a blue shirt everyday.
Too bad her parents don't do the same.

osoab
7th May 2012, 03:11 PM
He was wearing the wrong shirt........

I thought you were going to post this pic.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n153/2poordemocrats/TSBongHitsForJesusresized.jpg

Mouse
7th May 2012, 11:51 PM
The clothes will all be nondescript, non-creative, non-annoying, and chipped. Scanners will be at every imaginable place, and some you wouldn't think of. Computers to track your every breath, shit, piss, food, thought. All managed by friendly beaurocrats. What could go wrong?

Awoke
8th May 2012, 10:43 AM
I am a firm believer that it is not what a person wears that makes them what they are. Simple.

My kids learned how to field strip Glocks, clean them and re-assemble them at the age of 9. They shoot .22 caliber rifles and handguns with the ease of a practiced veteran. They know how to properly weed a garden, prune vegetable plants, work a jack knife, split firewood, start fires, collect rain water, harvest worms and use them for fishing, cleaning and preparing fish, they watch me butcher large game, and this year I teach them to hunt small game. They are young, still in (Catholic) elementary school.

By the time the get to high school in a few years, they will have more practical experience than probably most of the other kids in their school combined.

And they will wear a uniform. And they will still be confident individuals.

PatColo
8th May 2012, 11:46 AM
is USA ready for this?

Thread: Bangkok's 'Hitler chic' trend riles tourists, Israeli envoy (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59324-Bangkok-s-Hitler-chic-trend-riles-tourists-Israeli-envoy)

http://i.cdn.cnngo.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/inline_image_300x400/2012/02/14/shirt_2.jpg

steyr_m
8th May 2012, 03:46 PM
whatever fairy tale ( the bible ) people want to believe that gives them comfort, fine

i take this " message " to be the same as some bible thumper PREACHING IN MY FACE

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Yeah, but what the school did is the same as someone here being offended by you saying, "whatever fairy tale ( the bible ) people want to believe that gives them comfort, fine" and asking for you to be banned...

keehah
8th May 2012, 04:16 PM
http://hinessight.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451c0aa69e2012875614556970c-800wi
http://kk.org/ct2/Socialven.jpg

dys
8th May 2012, 07:37 PM
I am a firm believer that it is not what a person wears that makes them what they are. Simple.

My kids learned how to field strip Glocks, clean them and re-assemble them at the age of 9. They shoot .22 caliber rifles and handguns with the ease of a practiced veteran. They know how to properly weed a garden, prune vegetable plants, work a jack knife, split firewood, start fires, collect rain water, harvest worms and use them for fishing, cleaning and preparing fish, they watch me butcher large game, and this year I teach them to hunt small game. They are young, still in (Catholic) elementary school.

By the time the get to high school in a few years, they will have more practical experience than probably most of the other kids in their school combined.

And they will wear a uniform. And they will still be confident individuals.

But it was you and your family that teached all of these practical and useful skills to your kids, right (not the school that requires the wearing of uniforms)? And while you were teaching them, did you and your family mandate a specific uniform for the kids to wear-like the school does?...food for thought.

dys

Awoke
9th May 2012, 08:15 AM
But it was you and your family that teached all of these practical and useful skills to your kids, right (not the school that requires the wearing of uniforms)? And while you were teaching them, did you and your family mandate a specific uniform for the kids to wear-like the school does?...food for thought.

dys

Yes Dysgenic. It is my responsibility to provide my children with the tools to navigate safely through life, just like any other parent. It is the school's responsibility to teach my children to read, write and understand arithmetic.

I could take on that responsibility too, if I chose to, by putting them in homeschool or getting my own degree in teaching as the state dictates, but do to time constraints I choose to let them attend a catholic school instead.

The uniform, imo, serves to remove the petty bullshit cliqueish crap, gangsta crap, poverty crap, status symbol crap and all the other crap that goes along with spoiled little bitches wearing $300 jeans and wanna gangsters wearing their pants under their ass cheeks. I seriously am not asking anyone to agree with me on this. I'm OK with the uniforms for highshool. I'm not worried if there are other people who aren't. I do feel for the kids that don't have parents that are active in their childrens lives, teaching them the kind of stuff I teach my kids, but I am a minority in this world of fluorinated zombies.

JDRock
9th May 2012, 08:55 AM
ans so we see the conclusion of the matter; were DIVIDED (check the posts here) and they(jews) are NOT.

Awoke
9th May 2012, 09:00 AM
Well just to keep things in perspective here, we are talking about a modest dress code for four years of education. We are not talking about forced military conscription. Let's not blow things out of proportion.

SLV^GLD
9th May 2012, 09:25 AM
Homeschool your kids. Problem solved.

dys
9th May 2012, 06:28 PM
ans so we see the conclusion of the matter; were DIVIDED (check the posts here) and they(jews) are NOT.

Maybe some of us, but not Awoke and I. Any believer in Jesus Christ is a brother of mine. That was one of the most (pleasantly) surprising things I discovered once I became a believer- we are not all cookie cutter clones. Jesus Christ is the one thing that they fear. Paul knew the score: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Ephesians 6:12