No Jurisdiction

[palani]

If I stood in the Middle Tennessee-Chickamauga Watershed (HUC# 06020001 ... a federal zone if there ever was any) and fired a bullet. That bullet struck a Panamanian who happened to be standing in a POLITICAL subdivision called Georgia while I, at the time, was standing in a portion of the watershed in a POLITICAL subdivision called Tennessee, and I happened to be a Canadian. NO members of either POLITICAL subdivisions were harmed. Do the feds have jurisdiction, does Tennessee have jurisdiction or does Georgia have jurisdiction. Or is jurisdiction lacking because only foreigners were involved?

By the way, that particular watershed is a federal zone that spans portions of Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee and multiple counties.
http://cfpub.epa.gov/surf/huc.cfm?huc_code=06020001

A little further information ... U.S. Code applies to some degree to administrative subdivisions called "states". Georgia code applies to officers and members of the body politic of Georgia. Tennessee code applies to officers and members of the body politic of Tennessee. Very little code (if any at all) applies to federal watersheds.

[Heimdhal]

If a snake climbed a tree in Alaska whilst a Kooala bear and a platypus were tresspassing in a gophers burrow in North Miami Beach, a political subdivision of Dade county a likewise political subdivision of Uranus and Jupiter lined with Mars and we all lived in a yellow submarine,


would I be a walrus?

[sirgonzo420]

Georgia would have jurisdiction, because that's where the crime took place.

Unless it were considered a federal hate crime because the victim was a Panamanian national.

[Heimdhal]

On a serious note, in reality the Feds would take it as it both involved foreign nationals and probably something to do with interstate commerce, or so they would claim to get their noses in it.

[sirgonzo420]

On a serious note, in reality the Feds would take it as it both involved foreign nationals and probably something to do with interstate commerce, or so they would claim to get their noses in it.

Yeah, but it would start off as a dead JOHN DOE in Georgia.


and yeah the feds looooooove some interstate commerce ;D

[palani]

and yeah the feds looooooove some interstate commerce ;D

Not precisely interstate commerce .. all the action remained within the same watershed.

[Glass]

Wouldn't it be something for the CoastGuard?

[PatColo]

palani, I almost PM'd you this but I'll post it here, seems up your alley, podcast from Mon, commercial free :D

It's from this blog, http://grizzom.blogspot.com - maybe my new favorite, coz I'm a truth radio podcast fiend, load up the MP3 player and away I go to do whatever mindless task, with "good company". Not only do they write a brief description of what's discussed (something even the network's archive page seldom does), but also unlike the network's archive, they graciously remove all the lengthy, mind-numbing commercial breaks, sparing me from having to sit on the FF button on the player every ~10 mins! \uu\ In fact I'm going to start a thread on it now8)


Monday, May 7, 2012

The National Intel Report with John Stadtmiller 2012.05.07 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/05/national-intel-report-with-john_07.html)



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[palani]

Wouldn't it be something for the CoastGuard?

While the Coast Guard has jurisdiction over all matters maritime they interpret that to mean "on the water". A watershed is dry land that drains water to a common area.

[palani]

palani, I almost PM'd you this but I'll post it here, seems up your alley

Thank you. An interesting listen. He does not go into the various planes though. The concept of using watersheds is one that I thought about 6 months ago. It is a plane. There are laws for that plane mostly dealing with non-pollution of water but they never intended these areas to be populated with people. All of the ancient kingdoms from thousands of years ago were based upon watersheds as being natural rather than man-made boundaries so they are not subject to gerrymandering. There is historical background to watershed nations. The Louisiana Purchase was sold by the French to the U.S. as the watersheds of the Mississippi, Missouri and Red rivers.

When you are requested to sign a form (ticket, citation) you are validating the information being presented to you. If the paper states that you are in an administrative subdivision (city, county, state) and you agree to sign then you are in fact agreeing that you are there. This fact becomes hard to argue later. How about you tell the man that you are in a watershed instead? It exists. It has a name. It has a federal ID number. It has no traffic laws.

[horseshoe3]

While the Coast Guard has jurisdiction over all matters maritime they interpret that to mean "on the water". A watershed is dry land that drains water to a common area.

What if it was raining at the time?

In any case, I think the feds would take it becausethey take over everything. The state of Georgia SHOULD take it because the death occured in their state. They would work with Tennessee to extradite you.

[palani]

What if it was raining at the time? The USCG is not set up to handle fake maritime cases. They stick with truly maritime matters, ships colliding, deaths occurring on shipboard, maritime safety.


In any case, I think the feds would take it because they take over everything. The state of Georgia SHOULD take it because the death occurred in their state. They would work with Tennessee to extradite you.

I am not disputing the feds or their administrative agencies called states would ATTEMPT to take jurisdiction. The point I am making is that it is up to you to assert who you are and where you are. You are the only one who can grant jurisdiction if you choose. The only authority to convict is provided by you and your consent. Granted the situation as presented is extreme but is intended to show the importance of nationality and your knowledge of where you are.

[Hatha Sunahara]

My first question here would be Was it a crime, or an accident? If it was a crime, I would claim that the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands has jurisdiction, and then see if they wanted to prosecute me.

Hatha

[Awoke]

would I be a walrus?

Yes, you would, my friend. You would be a walrus divided by the square root of haley's comet, and multiplied by the color of Solids boat.

[Heimdhal]

yes, you would, my friend. You would be a walrus divided by the square root of haley's comet, and multiplied by the color of solids boat.

rofl