Cars running at 70 mpg BANNED in the US by Fed Gvmt

[General of Darkness]

VW is not allowed by the US government to sell high milage cars to US consumers. VW MAKES the cars here that get 78 mpg, but must ship it over seas. I have added this link that shows a test drive world record with the passat which was 75 mpg US http://www.vehix.com/blog/most-popular/fuel-efficient/vw-tdi-drives-1531-mile (http://mail.digitaltel.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.vehix.com/blog/most-popular/fuel-efficient/vw-tdi-drives-1531-mile)

Here's the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uBnlXGvA1Wk

[sirgonzo420]

Hahahahahaha.

[Down1]

General the link is not working.
Is it bad or did they censor it already ?

[General of Darkness]

General the link is not working.
Is it bad or did they censor it already ?

Here's a direct link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uBnlXGvA1Wk

[Serpo]

These types of efficient vehicles are the only sort to buy and the VW is a very good example,they are great and run on diesel.

May I suggest that the American gov is out to screw you so you have to buy more petrol and stay broke longer.

[solid]

This is a GREAT video. Everyone must watch, it's 100% true. I've known for some time about the emissions, how they calculate pollutants. This confirms my beliefs, it's per gallons. Not per mile. So, .gov thinks a truck getting 10 mpg is better for the environment than that VW that gets 78 miles per gallon.

Also, locally, they were talking about a hybrid tax, just for hybrid cars, because they use our roads but don't pay as much to maintain them.

This really pisses me off. I honestly don't know how they get away with this...oh yes, I forgot for a second, reality tv shows and american idol.

[Down1]

Here's a direct link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uBnlXGvA1Wk
General the vid is working and I watched that, but was curious if they wrote anything else at the vehix.com link.

[General of Darkness]

General the vid is working and I watched that, but was curious if they wrote anything else at the vehix.com link.

It just mentions that the TDI got 1500+ miles on a tank of gas.

Here's another link.

http://www.vehix.com/blog/most-popular/fuel-efficient/vw-tdi-drives-1531-miles-on-one-tank

[iOWNme]

Tom Ogle, in1971 had a Ford Galaxie that weighed over 4000lbs. He was able to get over 100mpg from his own vapor invention. He was run out of town, his invention stolen and eventually 'suicided'. All at the age of 21.

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=787

[Serpo]

This is a GREAT video. Everyone must watch, it's 100% true. I've known for some time about the emissions, how they calculate pollutants. This confirms my beliefs, it's per gallons. Not per mile. So, .gov thinks a truck getting 10 mpg is better for the environment than that VW that gets 78 miles per gallon.

Also, locally, they were talking about a hybrid tax, just for hybrid cars, because they use our roads but don't pay as much to maintain them.

This really pisses me off. I honestly don't know how they get away with this...oh yes, I forgot for a second, reality tv shows and american idol.

No one can be that stupid even a government(dont quote me) they are ripping people of so the oil companies make max profits............remember the oil company that brought L.A s tram system then ripped it out so everyone can drive cars only..........

[dys]

This thread pretty much puts that ki-bosh on the Jevon's Paradox theory.

dys

[Twisted Titan]

Wow............. this is amazing


Im surprised this hasnt gone viral

[Glass]

interesting. I saw the thread here yesterday about mileage on gasoline and I wanted to post about the mileage you can get on diesel.

Then last night I was watching an episode of Top Gear UK and it was all about a 3 car race from Basel, Switzerland to Blackpool UK. A distance of about 750 miles on a single tank of fuel. Each host got a different car. 1 was a V6 twin turbo diesel Jag, the other a 3 cylinder turbo diesel VW polo - bluemotion and the 3rd was a Subaru, I think a liberty 2.0L diesel.

Interesting race. The Jag had phenomenal fuel economy given the way it was driven. The driver concluded it couldn't be done so he just plotted to run out of juice close to his home in the UK. He went another 200 plus miles than expected. The VW made it as well but I don't know what happened to the Subaru.

I've been looking for a vehicle (within budget) and diesel is a must. I would prefer an older vehicle because of the ease of using other fuels like cooking/waste oil. Not enough cash to buy something second hand outright. Hoping to get a 4x4 with 1000+ Kms range. New vehicles all went up 25% this year. We are told vehicles have never been more affordable but I can't see it.

I also know someone who has been building a generator for a specific type of gas to inject into the fuel lines for better efficiency. Early stages but making good progress. Able to run a smallish genset. Needs to upscale for a 7.0L V8 diesel.

Do you guys get diesel engines in those RAM and F Series trucks?

[General of Darkness]

interesting. I saw the thread here yesterday about mileage on gasoline and I wanted to post about the mileage you can get on diesel.

Then last night I was watching an episode of Top Gear UK and it was all about a 3 car race from Basel, Switzerland to Blackpool UK. A distance of about 750 miles on a single tank of fuel. Each host got a different car. 1 was a V6 twin turbo diesel Jag, the other a 3 cylinder turbo diesel VW polo - bluemotion and the 3rd was a Subaru, I think a liberty 2.0L diesel.

Interesting race. The Jag had phenomenal fuel economy given the way it was driven. The driver concluded it couldn't be done so he just plotted to run out of juice close to his home in the UK. He went another 200 plus miles than expected. The VW made it as well but I don't know what happened to the Subaru.

I've been looking for a vehicle (within budget) and diesel is a must. I would prefer an older vehicle because of the ease of using other fuels like cooking/waste oil. Not enough cash to buy something second hand outright. Hoping to get a 4x4 with 1000+ Kms range. New vehicles all went up 25% this year. We are told vehicles have never been more affordable but I can't see it.

I also know someone who has been building a generator for a specific type of gas to inject into the fuel lines for better efficiency. Early stages but making good progress. Able to run a smallish genset. Needs to upscale for a 7.0L V8 diesel.

Do you guys get diesel engines in those RAM and F Series trucks?

My Ram has got the Cummins motor, but because of EPA requirements the new diesels mileage sucks. My Dodge gets about 24 miles to the gallon, not bad for 10,000 pound vehicle that can tow something like 20,000+ pounds.

[JohnQPublic]

We have a VW sportwagen 2.0 L TDI. We get 34-36 MPG in mixed driving (about 50:50). On true hwy. driving we get 40-45 MPG. They now offer the Passat with the same motor. This is a little bigger than the sportwagen (Jetta, but really a Golf chasis). The only advantage of teh sportwagen is that it is the only TDI that does not require urea.

[DMac]

http://www.deathofagasguzzler.com/profiles/blogs/tom-ogle-160-mpg-by-a-high



Although Ogle was eventually granted his patent, Patent Office examiners in Washington indicated that a patent may already have been issued to a person or a company for a system similar to Ogle’s.[5] I’ll give you Three Big guesses as to which company came up the most. If you guessed General Motors, you may pass Go and collect $2 trillion dollars. One of their patents included a vaporized system that eliminated the carburetor, obtained by GM in 1972.[6] Once he learned of this information from the Patent Office, Tom Ogle asked the same question that I am asking, and the same question you may be asking: if General Motors already came up with a similar patented invention, then why wasn’t it on the market? Surely after the oil embargo only a few years earlier, this technology would have been in high demand - which is why Ogle approached former President Carter to assist him in developing his invention. Ogle was convinced that, “nobody has ever tried it without a carburetor. And the other mechanics have been too busy trying to build cars that fly.”[7]


Patents registered by General Motors using a similar concept of fuel vapors to power a combustion engine: (Sample List)

· 3645244 - System for mixing air with fuel tank vapor.


· 3963012 - Engine with vapor heat transfer capsule for intake mixture heating.


· 3977378 - Self-controlled vapor heat capsule for engine intake mixture heating.


· 4458655 - Fuel injection nozzle with heated valve.



Patents registered by Daimler Benz (MB/Chrysler) using a similar concept of fuel vapors to power a combustion engine: (Sample List)


· 4126111 - Otto internal combustion engine (fuel evaporation).


· 4186704 - Installation for the preheating of the suction mixture of a carburetor internal combustion engine by means of the exhaust gases thereof.


· 4303050 - Heated flow director (for more complete fuel evaporation).


· 4553520 - Device for the generation of a defined fuel vapor/air mixture (for the production of a fuel vapor/air mixture).


· 4870932 - Fuel injection heating system (Improving the basic concept of heating fuel of an internal combustion engine).


· 5140967 - Evaporation element in an internal-combustion engine cylinder head.



Patents registered by Ford using a similar concept of fuel vapors to power a combustion engine: (Sample List)


· 4094275 - Vaporized liquid fuel delivery and metering system (means for vaporizing a liquid fuel).


· 4161931- Vapor temperature controlled exhaust gas heat exchanger (gas heat exchanger for vaporizing a liquid fuel).


· 5331937 - Charge inlet system for internal combustion engine (contains an electrically operated reservoir for heating and partially vaporizing fuel).


· 5813388 - Heated assembly for vaporization of fuel in an internal combustion engine.



Patent registered by Tom Ogle: US Patent # 4,177,779 Fuel Economy System for an Internal Combustion Engine

patent 4177779 Tom Ogle.pdf (http://api.ning.com/files/4I7lWJbrMF3VIfAqEi8gAcukEI04jHkoMUdm-UwjEMRvzHXT8F7pQHMyi5PVJDRXjbYZ8CeTHToBD4VNpOH*tK3 k2eTTbTIl/patent4177779TomOgle.pdf)


From the wiki:




He had to undergo an assassination attempt (shot and injured by bullet) outside a bar that no one could identify the perpetrator. A few months later he was found dead. He had previously told his lawyer, Bobby Perel, he thought they drugged their drinks, especially in the bar where he was playing billiards. On August 19, 1981, Ogle died of a overdose of Darvon, a painkiller, and alcohol, according to autopsy.

[JohnQPublic]

Patent registered by Tom Ogle: US Patent # 4,177,779 Fuel Economy System for an Internal Combustion Engine

patent 4177779 Tom Ogle.pdf (http://api.ning.com/files/4I7lWJbrMF3VIfAqEi8gAcukEI04jHkoMUdm-UwjEMRvzHXT8F7pQHMyi5PVJDRXjbYZ8CeTHToBD4VNpOH*tK3 k2eTTbTIl/patent4177779TomOgle.pdf)




Basically he is vaporizing the fuel, and introducing a lean mixture to the inlet manifold. This makes a lot of sense. I wonder if it is any more efficient than fuel injection? The fuel is probably preheated in fuel injection, and is under pressure. I wonder if it contains enough energy to vaporize upon introduction to the combustion chamber without removing additional energy from the combustion chamber?

[Skirnir_]

My Ram has got the Cummins motor, but because of EPA requirements the new diesels mileage sucks. My Dodge gets about 24 miles to the gallon, not bad for 10,000 pound vehicle that can tow something like 20,000+ pounds.

Dodges are rustbuckets, as are domestic automobiles in general; I'd be surprised if the engine did not jump out of the chassis before 100k miles.

[Cebu_4_2]

Basically he is vaporizing the fuel, and introducing a lean mixture to the inlet manifold. This makes a lot of sense. I wonder if it is any more efficient than fuel injection? The fuel is probably preheated in fuel injection, and is under pressure. I wonder if it contains enough energy to vaporize upon introduction to the combustion chamber without removing additional energy from the combustion chamber?

Fuel injection is not preheated besides from the heat in the fuel routing around the engine. Fuel injection uses high pressure to turn the fuel into a spray more so than a mist. At the point of injection the turbulence of piston movement and heat turn it into a vapor.

HTH

[Glass]

My Ram has got the Cummins motor, but because of EPA requirements the new diesels mileage sucks. My Dodge gets about 24 miles to the gallon, not bad for 10,000 pound vehicle that can tow something like 20,000+ pounds.

The cummins engine is a good engine. Like Skirnir suggests the chassis will give out long before the motor will.

Have you looked at any mods such as the exhaust or chipping the vehicle to remap the system for better economy? A straight through exhaust should improve power for same economy.

[General of Darkness]

The cummins engine is a good engine. Like Skirnir suggests the chassis will give out long before the motor will.

Have you looked at any mods such as the exhaust or chipping the vehicle to remap the system for better economy? A straight through exhaust should improve power for same economy.

I have an Edge programmed that's helped a ton, but 2 years ago they started smogging diesels here in CA, just so they could get the $8 dollar fee so putting on a straight exhaust would be bad news for me.

[goldleaf]

A buddy has a 1994 Dodge with the Cummins that has close to 800,000 miles on it. It still looks in real good original condition for a Dodge. He claims that the add-on running boards protect it. He hauls another Dodge pickup around the country with it, that he has set up for drag racing. It runs 8 second something quarter miles!

[agnut]

Hi all. Great thread; close to my heart. I am posting a response at the bartering and horse trading thread since automobile expenses are the second most costly in many folks budgets. Lots of money to be saved here in the long run.

Best wishes,

Agnut

[Skirnir_]

Hi all. Great thread; close to my heart. I am posting a response at the bartering and horse trading thread since automobile expenses are the second most costly in many folks budgets. Lots of money to be saved here in the long run.

Best wishes,

Agnut

I lost the auto for that reason and don't really miss it.

[mick silver]

you cant have a car company fcking with big oil . thats what a guy i know that owns a new car dealer ship told me