Who Owns The Other--Corporations or Government?

[Hatha Sunahara]

I have encountered two separate schools of thought about the dominant controlling institutions in America. One says that Corporations control the government, and point to the corporate lobbyists who push for legislation favorable to corporations and that corporations provide the funds politicians need to get elected. This school says that corporations control (own) the government. The other says that government by virtue of its control of pension funds own the corporations. This school can be found in the thinking of Walter Burien at CAFR1, and Clint Richardson who produced the video Corporation Nation. The group that claims that corporations own the government see our system as 'corporatist' (fascist) and the others who think the government owns the major corporations see the system as essentially communist.

Has anyone else noticed this? Could this be the Ezra Pound idea that you present two simultaneous lies and watch people argue about which one is the truth?

Is there a third view--that corporations and government are essentially the same thing, and they are both owned by TPTB?


Hatha

[palani]

Si quid universitate debetur singulis non debetur, nec quod debet, universitas singuli debent. If anything is due to a corporation, it is not due to the individual members of it, nor do the members individually owe what the corporation owes.

Government is corporate. Voting members (electorate) are corporate. After all, you don't yoke a mule and an oxen together and things mix with similar things. FRNs are corporate coupons. You vote with them.

Beyond this, what goes on within corporations is a matter for corporations. Arguing about them one way or another creates joinder. Again:


Culpa est immiscere se rei ad se non pertinenti. It is a fault to meddle with what does not belong to or does not concern you. Dig. 50, 17, 36.

[Santa]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bouvier
Culpa est immiscere se rei ad se non pertinenti. It is a fault to meddle with what does not belong to or does not concern you. Dig. 50, 17, 36.


This doesn't concern us? Lol... Don't pay any attention to that thing slithering around in the tall grass. It does't concern you. ::)

[palani]

Don't pay any attention to that thing slithering around in the tall grass. It does't concern you. ::)

I am not a snake. What goes on in the snake world is a matter for snakes.

[Hatha Sunahara]

There was at one time, as I learned in my indoctrination, a difference between public and private institutions. Government was public. Corporations were private. More recently--in the last dozen years or so, that distinction has been blurred. Government at one time had the power to regulate corporations. More recently, government refuses to regulate corporations, but allow them to do what they please unhindered.

Is our distinction between public and private obsolete? Is everything private now? Including government? If we (the people) don't own the government any more, who does? Or does the government, like the corporations own us? Is it moot to try to figure out who owns who? Are we all slaves, and these institutions are our masters, and it doesn't matter?


Hatha

[Santa]

We lives in Depublic of Omerica.

[Mouse]

Gov and corp are the head and the tail of the snake that eats itself
Or the knife that cuts its own handle

Either end is interchangeable

[dys]

I think the recently posted plantation video summed it up rather nicely. Corporations and 'government' are just tools they use to obfuscate the truth. Power in this world is derived from nothing more complicated than pure brute force. It has always been this way.

dys

[Hatha Sunahara]

I think the recently posted plantation video summed it up rather nicely. Corporations and 'government' are just tools they use to obfuscate the truth. Power in this world is derived from nothing more complicated than pure brute force. It has always been this way.

dys

On one hand--pure brute force, coupled with fear to paralyze you, and on the other hand, with chicanery (trickery, deception, fraud) to take advantage of your inability to think critically because that is a skill they fail to teach you in public schools.

Hitler summed it up in Mein Kampf--It is fortunate for the rulers that the people don't think. Makes you wonder if humanity has lived in paralytic fear for its entire existence.



Hatha

[palani]

Is our distinction between public and private obsolete? Is everything private now? Including government?
Government lost the ability to pass public law when they took bankruptcy. Corporations have always been formed under the executive branch of government.

As long as they are not paid they will be lose canon. To make their system work they come up with false money and this is what they pay themselves with. They have built quite a system based on this false money but eventually it must break down. You have to admire the improvisation that they put into making things work. Who would have ever thought of derivatives in a world relying on gold and silver?

[woodman]

They are completely intertwined. One and the same.

[dys]

Makes you wonder if humanity has lived in paralytic fear for its entire existence.

I believe that it has. However, technology is the game changer. Historically, a certain percentage of the underclass was needed by the TPTB. That need has been greatly reduced, and in some cases, eliminated. What was that thread that Hoarder started? 'What follows next is obvious..."
Some of those plantation workers are about to get their pink slips.

dys

[iOWNme]

Corporations are a creation of Government. The question we should be asking is why do men use Government to create Corporations? The answer is quite simple: Complete and Total Monopoly and Limited Liability.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Government uses corporations to make itself richer and more powerful. The king of England Chartered some powerful corporations to develop the lands that were his by conquest. Some are familiar today. The Hudson Bay Company, The Virginia Company, The Massachusetts Company, The West Indies Company, the East India company. And others. That is how the British empire was built. I bet you never heard of the Sassoon Company. They sold opium grown in India to the Chinese. The corporations develop the king's property and they make a profit and provide work for multitudes of slaves. The king then taxes the colonies, and exploits them any way he can. They even teach that lesson in public schools, but with a little different spin. Everybody gets rich but the slaves. America rebelled against this system. But America has been brought back as we can now see.

I think it's the government that owns all the corporations. That makes more sense. But why do the government officials appear to be subordinate to other powers--like the CFR? I would suggest that there is a coordinating body between them that allows them to exploit us most efficiently at all times.



Hatha

[Santa]

First, they provide slaves for work. Then they provide work for the slaves.
But after a while even that becomes tedious, so they just genocide the slaves. Soft kill.
The key is that many slaves believe they will be spared. Like me. I'm too sexy.
Or any of you. You might be spared as well, if you can offer something valuable to the master.
Like the ability to taze grannies or mow down school kids in video games. Stuff like that.

[JDRock]

Ask instead who owns both corporations AND government AND media AND high finance....= Rothschild.

[hoarder]

Mass media is government. It poses as a business, but power is the motive. Media is control. They control government.

This is the single largest flaw of Libertarian thought, the foolish notion that mass media is a business.

[mick silver]

thanks hoarder . as i look at all the post the one thing that keep coming to my mind was the media they run the show . they control every thing down to what every0ne see .they tell us all how good their other companys are doing . they control who get in to office and other high places . and jd hit the nail head Rothschild control what we see and hear too what we buy . but the Rothschild have alot of help . soros is a big player for them

[Golden]

You say tomato and I say tomato.

[dys]

All the same people laughing all the way to the bank.

dys

[DMac]

Power creates government, government creates corporations, corporations create power.

The Ouroboros.

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