A Federal State ... Organized As A Political Society

[palani]

When a territory becomes organized there is a political society formed ... it is the creation of a plane that overlays that territory for "organizational" purposes.



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From Principles of the Federal Law here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=75lQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA262&dq=defacto+principle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4VPHT7CLG-WU2QXPvZHcCw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=defacto%20principle&f=false

Note these are not the same states as "the several States" that form the union.

[palani]

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Note the words of art used. "Include" actually serves to EXCLUDE things not on the list. When the feds talk of "states" they mean organized federal territory.

[Hatha Sunahara]

So there is reference here to 4 items: States (of the union), Territories, distinct political societies, and Federal States.

If I know my history, the Federal government has jurisdiction over only the District of Columbia and 'Territories'. In theory, they only have the power to tax these jurisdictions. They overcome this limitation by having us 'voluntarily' fill out a form 1040, in which we agree that we are residents of the District of Columbia. That is a legal fiction, but 'reality' in a court of law.

Is that the purpose of making these definitions? To establish the trickery necessary to impose their jurisdiction on all of us?


Hatha

[palani]

Is that the purpose of making these definitions? To establish the trickery necessary to impose their jurisdiction on all of us?
When you rely upon lawyers to establish the law you are subject to they are going to sell you what is on their shelves. To put it in perspective if you had a headache would you go to a brain surgeon expecting him to prescribe an aspirin?

[palani]

This code from 1907 appears to be a source of the phantom zone that is as thin as Saran Wrap ... the federal zone within the EXTERIOR boundaries of a state ... called in code speak "this state".

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[palani]

Goldmine!!! Find some state law that violates a federal law ... the state law becomes color of law and you simply ignore it. [Word of caution .. this is circa 1907... the current state may desire to mine some gold out of your hide if you try this in this day and age]


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[palani]

Ok .. here is a good one...

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Ponzi vs Fessenden mentions a separation of planes with regard to state and federal legal action. This plane separation appears to no longer be in existence. If it did then the presumed Oklahoma City bomber would have been captured, held, tried, convicted and the sentence of death carried out in Oklahoma. Instead he gets captured in Oklahoma, tried in Denver and terminated in Indiana ... a single federal plane.

[Hatha Sunahara]

You might be interested in the case of Ed Rosenthal, a botanist who specializes in a single herb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rosenthal

He was prosecuted because he was in the wrong jurisdiction (at the wrong time). I bet he wasn't prepared for the fact that California's laws are colorable. I wonder what kind of tricks they used to establish their jurisdiction.

Hatha

[palani]

I bet he wasn't prepared for the fact that California's laws are colorable. I wonder what kind of tricks they used to establish their jurisdiction.
Food and drug laws are all based upon the concept that man is just another animal. The defense is 1st amendment religious principles that state that man is OVER all animals rather than being considered one himself. However, if one does not subscribe to these principles then this defense is no good at all.

[palani]

If you have a federal character then wouldn't it be wise to inquire into the protections and controls that one volunteers into.

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[palani]

Here they appear to have separated the federal plane into three separate planes ... organic powers, powers capable of waiver and powers of congressional policy. I would suspect that this last plane is now the predominant one operating in light of Roosevelts declaration of bankruptcy of the U.S and the first two planes are no longer operating as they were intended.

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