Kokesh interviews Tarpley about Ron Paul: Get ready for a REALITY check

[iOWNme]

Tarpley discusses the Ron Paul movement with Kokesh. A lot of good info here. They talk about Benton, the Paul family and the 51 family members who are on Ron Paul's payroll......Something was fishy from the beginning when NeoCons like Bruce Fein were embedded into his camp.....Peter Theil donated over $2.4 million to Ron Paul's campaign....And MUCH more....

Tarpley states that RP represents the Scottish Rite, and Romney who is Mormon which is also a creation of Masonry.

He goes on to say that Von Mises was created and funded by the Rockefeller's, and that RP is controlled opposition from day one.

The Tarpley gets into how the Government needs to feed the welfare State, and that we need Government to solve certain social problems? WTF? he says that people will die without government hand outs, and that would be a form of Genocide. Isnt tarpley smart enough to understand that Government creates the problem, and then swoops in to pose as the savior? Problem > Reaction > Solution. Then he wants Government to solve the problem they have created? Kokesh does do a good job of trying to combat Tarpley on these matters. Tarpley has a real way of trying to cut off Kokesh, and impose his 'superior' ideology....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7bzyKUBoU&list=UU0RJJ_Wm7jyOU9eY10LgcwA& index=1&feature=plcp

[Shami-Amourae]

Bill Still also recently said that Von Mises was created and funded by the Rockefeller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hMlDjY7iGY

[DMac]

Is this worth the 46 minutes SJ - I really can't stand listening to Tarpley. You know he is a big time Zionist, right?

I was digging around one day about him and found out his wife works for a guy with big time connections to BAE - the English arms dealer. Considering this his break up with LaRouche and LaRouche's determination to connect all things conspiratorial to the English royals makes a little more sense.

Regardless, just rambling a bit :)

Something about Kokesh has struck me as kosher since day one. I posted my thoughts on him around the time he got that show on RT. Something just doesn't sit well with me. One of my less popular opinions (like the RP controlled opp post from day 1 GSUS).

Anywho, I guess I will listen until I get aggravated :D

[iOWNme]

Is this worth the 46 minutes SJ - I really can't stand listening to Tarpley. You know he is a big time Zionist, right?

I was digging around one day about him and found out his wife works for a guy with big time connections to BAE - the English arms dealer. Considering this his break up with LaRouche and LaRouche's determination to connect all things conspiratorial to the English royals makes a little more sense.

Regardless, just rambling a bit :)

Something about Kokesh has struck me as kosher since day one. I posted my thoughts on him around the time he got that show on RT. Something just doesn't sit well with me. One of my less popular opinions (like the RP controlled opp post from day 1 GSUS).

Anywho, I guess I will listen until I get aggravated :D


Yes Tarpley has ALWAYS rubbed me wrong. Is it worth it? I like it, for educational purposes. It does show you how disinformation is EVERYWHERE, and once must adhere to morals and principles, and not follow any man or movement.

[Carl]

I got about half way through before I just couldn't take it anymore. They are both wrong.

[Libertytree]

Thanks...wow that was interesting. Tarpley seems full of himself and full of shit in a lot of ways too. He did though make some points that are worth entertaining.

[Book]

Anyone here still clinging to their Ron Paul cherished delusion after watching this video?

:D

[Book]

Something about Kokesh has struck me as kosher since day one...



Me too.


He is the son of Charles Kokesh, a Santa Fe venture capitalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capitalist), founder of a firm called Technology Funding and owner of the Santa Fe Horse Park.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-1)

[PatColo]

ditto on the long term doubts about Tarpley's legitimacy. He was also recently guest on TJ Radio- 2nd hour. Listened a few days ago but recall 2nd half of that hour, Tarpley getting very aggressive/dogmatic in insisting on his POV re RP:


Wednesday, May 30, 2012

"Who Really Runs the World?" Bilderberger special on TJ Radio (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2012/05/who-really-runs-world-bilderberger.html)


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What's up with the Bilderbergers? Do they really run the world? If not them, who? Let's ask three of the world's savviest and most provocative political analysts! (Then on Friday, our own "embedded" anonymous reporter will join us live from the Bilderberg gathering!)


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Adrian Salbuchi writes (http://lewrockwell.com/rep3/bilderberg-us-meet.html): "So what exactly is Bilderberg? It’s neither an organization nor a lobby. The 'Bilderberg Meetings,' as they dub themselves in their (apparently) official website www.bilderbergmeetings.com (http://www.bilderbergmeetings.com), is a “by-invitation-only” club of around 140 very high-power people from business, finance, oil, politics, media, industry, academia and nobility who come together in a very private no-media / no cameras / extremely-tight-security surroundings to discuss… Well… there’s the rub: what exactly do they discuss?" He concludes: "Bilderberg is basically part of that very powerful Global Private Power Web; a 'node' so to speak… And a very powerful one at that!!"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3dZtdYLOVGg/T8YdNnvJ_kI/AAAAAAAABQs/0GfyrgWqCn0/s320/tarpley.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3dZtdYLOVGg/T8YdNnvJ_kI/AAAAAAAABQs/0GfyrgWqCn0/s1600/tarpley.jpg)
Webster Tarpley (http://www.tarpley.net/) adds that not only did the Bilderbergers choose Obama as President, and Hilary as Secretary of State, in 2008, but that this year they will choose Whether Financier Elite Backs Obama or Romney (http://tarpley.net/2012/05/21/support-syriza-bloc-in-greek-elections/). If Romney is selected, Tarpley suggests, Netanyahu will be pulling the strings - bad news for world peace. Tarpley also (controversially) claims that Ron Paul is working secretly, or not-so-secretly, with Mitt Romney, and that Ron Paul's people are represented at Bilderberg.



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Gordon Duff writes (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/28/war-press-tv-and-death-by-political-correctness/): "There is a world government that consists of layers, corporations, banks, overlords, one no single person understands but not run by the Bilderbergers, the CFR and has almost no American membership. America takes orders passed on through Israel who gets them from some place else." He adds:

"The real conspiracies are so much worse than the ones the phony activists talk about, you would be scared to death. Thousands of phony internet sites, hundreds of phony “activists” exist only to send us all chasing our tales. The truth? If you think it involves birth certificates or mortgages, you are a dupe. What is it really? Even I get threatened when I get too close.

"Some odd facts:


The primary religion of Jesuits, high ranking Evangelical Christians, members of powerful organizations (we all know the list), congress and the Pentagon is Satanism. The number of high level confirmations I have on this are frightening. The more “Christian” or “religious” people appear, the more Satanist they are.
Satanists are bad.
Bad means they are immoral, they commit hideous acts using their power as cover and have total control of our courts and law enforcement mechanism and the leadership of both political parties."



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here's the whole 2 hour show MP3: 05/30/2012 (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-053012.mp3)
advance to about 1hr 25 mins to where the Paul(s) topic begins, and carries on through the end of the show.

Gordon Duff has become a rodeo clown in my mind, for entertainment only. Came out of nowhere with the Vet's Today site (Duff's archives here (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/gordonduff/)), alleges to have this amazing resume in high finance, defense, intel etc jobs, alleges to know all these power insiders... Then the stuff he "confides" in his audience is just so off the wall-- imagining he's a spook, I'd guess his MO is diluting & distracting truth seekers with a bunch of enticing bullshit which leads nowhere "to send us all chasing our tails" as he himself puts it, while projecting the accusation onto "those phonies we need to be on guard for" -- that "projection" thing (the Chutzpah Maneuver), vigilantly warning us of the frauds out there (a timeless con artist trick), is a big clue itself that Duff is a fraud! Listen to the 1st hour (w/Duff) if you're curious but not if you have better things to do!

I have no impression of Adam Kokesh-- haven't paid him any attention thus far. Also haven't watched the OP vid.

[Book]

After returning from Iraq, Kokesh resumed his studies and completed his bachelor's degree in psychology at Claremont McKenna College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_McKenna_College).

Kokesh enrolled in graduate studies in political management at George Washington University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_University).[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-Montgomery-19)

In 2010, Adam Kokesh attempted to unseat Democratic representative Ben Ray Luján (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Ray_Luj%C3%A1n) in New Mexico's heavily Democratic 3rd congressional district (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico%27s_3rd_congressional_district) running as a libertarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism)-oriented Republican (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29).[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-shadow-26) Kokesh received mostly out-of-state money,[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-shadow-26) support from Ron Paul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul),[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-27) and an endorsement from the Republican Liberty Caucus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus), the organization that represents the libertarian wing of the Republican Party.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#cite_note-28)

For a guy who claims to hate "government" he sure has been teaching himself how to control the goyim using it.

:D crypto

[Book]

...I really can't stand listening to Tarpley. You know he is a big time Zionist, right?



http://www.zcommunications.org/crackpots-the-left-and-jewish-banker-cabals-by-chip-berlet

This guy thinks he is a jew-hating Nazi...lol.

:)

[Bigjon]

Ron Paul is the leader of a movement that does not want to use force to bring us prosperity. He has inspired millions to his message of liberty without force. Liberty through financial freedom.

End the Fed!!!

Bill Still is right and what he says makes sense, only if you have a strong central government, to insure no counterfeiting of the nations currency.

The founders set up a Bimetallic currency system with silver as the primary unit of currency and gold defined in terms of that primary unit. The people were given control of the money supply by opening the mint to all comers bringing their bullion to be turned into coin. They could also melt coins and sell them for the bullion value if the supply of coins became to great.

Ya bookie I'm still rooting for Ron.

[Hatha Sunahara]

That was very interesting. Tarpley is an intellectual. He knows history. He's also a 'New Deal' liberal. I'm not sure what Adam Kokesh is. He says he's a libertarian/anarchist. I think he is just jockeying for position as a leader of the Occupy movement.

I've read a few of Tarpley's books. His big objection to government is not that it is evil, but that it is being run by evil people. The best point he made in this video is that we need strong organizations to counter the evil that has taken over government. Strangely though, he doesn't address the 'dumbing down' issue that our schools are guilty of. I suppose it's hard for an intellectual to deal with a process that is at heart, anti-intellectual. You would think he might try to recruit others to become intellectuals. People who aspire to leadership and do not address the inability of the people to think critically are just trying to exploit that fact.


Hatha

[Book]

Ron Paul is the leader of a movement that does not want to use force to bring us prosperity.



Ironic that all the Ron Paul cult members here own so many guns.

:) which is it?

[gunDriller]

Tarpley is a good historian AND he's an asshole.

Tarpley = controlled opposition.

Tarpley is also affiliated with the "Blame the Queen" guy - Larouche and Larouche's history editor, Chaitkin.

Chaitkin's father was part of the Holohoax squad - one of the hundreds of Jews who went to Europe in 1945 to do the Nuremberg trials & to create the Holohoax.


When i say Tarpley is a good historian, for example, his Bush Biography - co-authored with Anton Chaitkin. a complete-appearing biography of Bush - with no mention of Israel.

Tarpley, LaRouche, & Chaitkin all exist to serve Israel & to promote the Zio criminal agenda.

You can't say the same about Ron Paul.

[Osiris]

Really Book? So one who owns a gun can't be a peaceful person or is planning something evil?

[Bigjon]

Ironic that all the Ron Paul cult members here own so many guns.

:) which is it?

Being able to defend yourself doesn't add up to initiating force.

[osoab]

Really Book? So one who owns a gun can't be a peaceful person or is planning something evil?


Being able to defend yourself doesn't add up to initiating force.

You both have stepped into Book's shit stirring arena. Do not get stirred up.

[Book]

Being able to defend yourself doesn't add up to initiating force.



Our Department of Defense and Israel say the same thing while they carpet-bomb.

:D

[Osiris]

You both have stepped into Book's shit stirring arena. Do not get stirred up.


Lol! I don't get worked up over stupid comments, just trying to get him to explain where he is coming from in an intelligent way. However, I don't believe that is possible.

[Horn]

Bill Still also recently said that Von Mises was created and funded by the Rockefeller:

Everyone in this thread is making great points...

[osoab]

Lol! I don't get worked up over stupid comments, just trying to get him to explain where he is coming from in an intelligent way. However, I don't believe that is possible.


You're correct, it is like trying to have a conversation with the teevee. You keep bringing up valid points and Book will keep putting up pics.
It's a pointless discussion.

[Osiris]

I would give you thanks if I could!

[iOWNme]

I love how Tarpley turns RP's 'Restore America' plan into a 'Genocidal Assault' on all the nations poor.

Then Tarpley says the ONLY way to organize and beat the NWO is by using Labor Unions! Holy FUCK! MARXISM is upon us.

I almost want to do my own version of this interview where i cut out Kokesh's answers and insert my own rebuttals to Tarpleys socialist rhetoric.

[JohnQPublic]

This is pure LaRouche. Ideologically LaRouche will atttack Ron Paul.

Tarpley is correct that Libertarian ideas are not going to feed the 5 MM that depend on food stamps now, but it is not genocide, nor are they necessarily going to starve (it is a fair point though. Kokesh has no answer but hand waving). Also, I am not crazy about all aspects of Ron Paul's budget proposal (why not cut military more?). I think Tarpley is right about organizing, but it does not necessarily have to be trade unions (though they do have some existing infrastructure, but are already tied to the establishment).

Tarpley does make good points about Thiel, and I feel he is correct that voting for Paul helps Romney. But unfortunately, with a two party system, what are your options? The only way not to help Romney is to vote for Obama (not going to happen).

I will continue to support Ron Paul, and we will see where it leads. I think his delegates are going to do all they can to get him nominated, even if he fudges a little.

[Horn]

This is pure LaRouche. Ideologically LaRouche will atttack Ron Paul.

I think the only common ground there would be that the Government would actually be functioning in some manner.

My Guess is that LaRouche would have an easier go at selling and passing his ideas thru.

Both suggest stepping steeply into FED. territory.

[Horn]

Bill Still also recently said that Von Mises was created and funded by the Rockefeller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hMlDjY7iGY

There needs to be more responses to the Main Gold Conspiracy going on here...

Excellent find Shami.

[JohnQPublic]

There needs to be more responses to the Main Gold Conspiracy going on here...

Excellent find Shami.

I think the issue is the gold standard as implemented by McKinley in the late 19th century, as opposed to the bimetallic system the US started with. Today we may want to use the multi-metallic system.

Ron Paul is calling for competing currencies.

[osoab]

This is pure LaRouche. Ideologically LaRouche will atttack Ron Paul.

Tarpley is correct that Libertarian ideas are not going to feed the 46+ MM that depend on food stamps now, but it is not genocide, nor are they necessarily going to starve (it is a fair point though. Kokesh has no answer but hand waving). Also, I am not crazy about all aspects of Ron Paul's budget proposal (why not cut military more?). I think Tarpley is right about organizing, but it does not necessarily have to be trade unions (though they do have some existing infrastructure, but are already tied to the establishment).

Tarpley does make good points about Thiel, and I feel he is correct that voting for Paul helps Romney. But unfortunately, with a two party system, what are your options? The only way not to help Romney is to vote for Obama (not going to happen).

I will continue to support Ron Paul, and we will see where it leads. I think his delegates are going to do all they can to get him nominated, even if he fudges a little.


Slight correction.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/foodstamp-nation

[osoab]

Adam Kokesh is the same douche that pulled this stunt.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?49864-Adam-Kokesh-and-Group-Get-Arrested-For-Dancing-At-Jefferson-Memorial&highlight=adam+Kokesh

[gunDriller]

I love how Tarpley turns RP's 'Restore America' plan into a 'Genocidal Assault' on all the nations poor.


the word "Genocide" coming out of a LaRouchian's mouth.

how come they never talk about Israel's Genocide of the Palestinians ?

Israel is trying to disappear Palestine by killing the people AND by rewarding politicians like Gingrich who deny their existence.

but, after following Chaitkin/ Tarpley/ LaRouche since 1994 - that's 18 years - i have never heard one word from them about Israel's crimes or their serial murder of Palestinian civilians.

yet they are quick to take a Pretend Progressive view on OH SO MANY other issues.

[Neuro]

There needs to be more responses to the Main Gold Conspiracy going on here...

Excellent find Shami.
I agree banksters control most of gold in existence. Thus they will be in control of next monetary system. Even though it takes a great effort to mine gold, it's value is only in the eyes of the beholder. If humanity at large realized this as the fiat money system collapse. Banksters would be without power, and humanity would be free. Yes it is true they have kept the price of gold suppressed to keep the fiat system going for a bit longer, but expect that to change in the coming phase of fist dismantle. Gold will be put on the piedestal as the THING, they need to make it as powerful and valuable as possible to people during the collapse. If they are successful they'll continue having all the power cause they have all gold. If people manage to break free of their spell, reject gold, and make good trade through barter and being generally self sufficient. Then we win. Sure by all means play there game, gain some real wealth, but reject gold as they introduce the gold backed one world currency... In the turmoil start your own community based currency for easier bartering. Issued by the community to pay for the work in common good projects... Like a dam or a school, you can call it an egg and 1 unit buys you one egg... Too long this...

[Libertytree]

I agree banksters control most of gold in existence. Thus they will be in control of next monetary system. Even though it takes a great effort to mine gold, it's value is only in the eyes of the beholder. If humanity at large realized this as the fiat money system collapse. Banksters would be without power, and humanity would be free. Yes it is true they have kept the price of gold suppressed to keep the fiat system going for a bit longer, but expect that to change in the coming phase of fist dismantle. Gold will be put on the piedestal as the THING, they need to make it as powerful and valuable as possible to people during the collapse. If they are successful they'll continue having all the power cause they have all gold. If people manage to break free of their spell, reject gold, and make good trade through barter and being generally self sufficient. Then we win. Sure by all means play there game, gain some real wealth, but reject gold as they introduce the gold backed one world currency... In the turmoil start your own community based currency for easier bartering. Issued by the community to pay for the work in common good projects... Like a dam or a school, you can call it an egg and 1 unit buys you one egg... Too long this...

What a great post! Thanks! You hit the nail on the head Neuro, best post this year.

[iOWNme]

Seriously?

This one may be taken down....Tarpley BASHING RP for almost an hour, while drunk AJ attempts to do damage control getting visibly upset at several times....And i only watched the first 10-15 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4

[Horn]

If people manage to break free of their spell, reject gold, and make good trade through barter and being generally self sufficient. Then we win.

JQP, note this down.

At some point we will be going back to a forum animal-skins.us

[osoab]

Seriously?

This one may be taken down....Tarpley BASHING RP for almost an hour, while drunk AJ attempts to do damage control getting visibly upset at several times....And i only watched the first 10-15 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4


psyop with two controlled opposition agents mixing it up.

[Horn]

Something about Kokesh has struck me as kosher since day one.

He does have the Mossad look about him , there are some jungle Mossad warriors out on the coast here who look like his brothers.

[JDRock]

if RP was conrolled opposition, then why the hell did the media blackball him constantly?? bullshit

[Horn]

if RP was conrolled opposition, then why the hell did the media blackball him constantly?? bullshit

Because he's the opposition...

You can't say that Ron did not make many campaign popularity errors in both runs.

Guest speaker on CNN every other week brings back memories, then they b-rate him the next week.

[osoab]

if RP was conrolled opposition, then why the hell did the media blackball him constantly?? bullshit

He's playing his part. He has to look like an outsider to get the "fringe" to accept him.

[Neuro]

He's playing his part. He has to look like an outsider to get the "fringe" to accept him.
I agree and they don't want too many to take notice of the ideas he was propagating...

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ-doQFd3I

[Horn]

He's playing his part. He has to look like an outsider to get the "fringe" to accept him.

I hear Charlie's making a run in 2016.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv-F-z7pM6o

[JDRock]

He's playing his part. He has to look like an outsider to get the "fringe" to accept him.
but to what end?? his following already has a hatred for electronic voting etc.. i dont see what they gain.

[osoab]

but to what end?? his following already has a hatred for electronic voting etc.. i dont see what they gain.

We stay corralled in one view/candidate. This prevents the fringe from bringing up multiple outsiders (of the system) as leaders that are out of their control.

[Carl]

I told you all a long time ago, and have kept telling you, how to go about fixing this, but you won't listen to me.

And you ain't gonna do it by electing a president.

[vacuum]

I told you all a long time ago, and have kept telling you, how to go about fixing this, but you won't listen to me.

And you ain't gonna do it by electing a president.

Could you quickly recap? thanks

[Bigjon]

I agree and they don't want too many to take notice of the ideas he was propagating...

Bookie is holding up his end in telling folks to move along now.

[Carl]

Lobby your states' legislators into reclaiming their Article 5 protected, sovereign right to equal suffrage in their Senate.

This will reinitialize the Constitution as standing law opening the door to more reforms.

[Bigjon]

He's playing his part. He has to look like an outsider to get the "fringe" to accept him.

I would say from Ron's turnout the Fringe is mainstream and those who support Romney/Obama are lunatic fringe.

[Bigjon]

Lobby your states' legislators into reclaiming their Article 5 protected, sovereign right to equal suffrage in their Senate.

This will reinitialize the Constitution as standing law opening the door to more reforms.

Never going to happen, we can't even get fluoride out of the water.

Yes, Carl it is a good idea.

[osoab]

Lobby your states' legislators into reclaiming their Article 5 protected, sovereign right to equal suffrage in their Senate.

This will reinitialize the Constitution as standing law opening the door to more reforms.

Carl, what you propose is unattainable in Illinois. I don't know about other states, but ultimately there is one guy in the political sphere that matters and that guy isn't the governor.

[osoab]

I would say from Ron's turnout the Fringe is mainstream and those who support Romney/Obama are lunatic fringe.

The same could have been said about Obama in 08.


“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/104630.Vladimir_Ilyich_Lenin)

[Carl]

Carl, what you propose is unattainable in Illinois. I don't know about other states, but ultimately there is one guy in the political sphere that matters and that guy isn't the governor. It's an individual state decision.

What state wouldn't like the idea of regaining their power and stature?

We won't know until we try.

[osoab]

It's an individual state decision.

What state wouldn't like the idea of regaining their power and stature?

We won't know until we try.

You want us to vote people in? Seriously, it ain't going to happen. Too many leaches depend on the current system.

[Carl]

You want us to vote people in? Seriously, it ain't going to happen. Too many leaches depend on the current system. What are you talking about, vote who into what?

[vacuum]

You want us to vote people in? Seriously, it ain't going to happen. Too many leaches depend on the current system.
This is a good point. The way the federal government maintains control is by making everyone dependent on it. It takes money away from everyone then gives it back. Those who resist it get their money taken away.

Though Carl's point about changing the system is still better than trying to do it through the presidency. One man is a lot weaker than many small local wars.

[Horn]

You want us to vote people in? Seriously, it ain't going to happen. Too many leaches depend on the current system.

Or later they'll forced into succession, after the power of the most numerous system on the planet is zapped by affinity.

[Carl]

This is a good point. The way the federal government maintains control is by making everyone dependent on it. It takes money away from everyone then gives it back. Those who resist it get their money taken away. More and more states are becoming well aware that the federal gravy train is about to end and when it does, the only option left is totalitarian control imposed upon us through them. What I propose is to lobby the states and point out to them that they do have an alternate option, one that would make them the champions of liberty against a run amok central government.

[osoab]

It's an individual state decision.

What state wouldn't like the idea of regaining their power and stature?

We won't know until we try.


What are you talking about, vote who into what?

What is your plan to get your ideas enacted? Voting isn't going to work.

Just about any other alternative discussion will get guys busting through our windows while wearing cool hats.

[osoab]

More and more states are becoming well aware that the federal gravy train is about to end and when it does, the only option left is totalitarian control imposed upon us through them. What I propose is to lobby the states and point out to them that they do have an alternate option, one that would make them the champions of liberty against a run amok central government.

The ones in control of the states work hand in hand with fedgov. They are still on the gravy train (payroll).

[Carl]

The ones in control of the states work hand in hand with fedgov. They are still on the gravy train (payroll). Yes for now, but all of that is about to come crashing down.

[osoab]

Yes for now, but all of that is about to come crashing down.

It will be a long time after the crash before the ideas you espouse have a chance to occur in our reality.

I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts, I just think they are premature at this time.

[Carl]

It will be a long time after the crash before the ideas you espouse have a chance to occur in our reality.

I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts, I just think they are premature at this time. You are wrong. Before the crash would be the most optimal time to push for the states' repudiation of the 17th. After the crash, it won't matter...

[General of Darkness]

Kokesh is a jew, so I'm predisposed to not believing him from the get go. Hey, just saying.

[Horn]

Anyways, I always thought Ron Paul too smart to actually want the Presidency.

He would have to be carried there on the shoulders of many.

What they need is guy with a head on his shoulders like Kennedy, to take the job.

When he still had it. I mean, not that smart, but with the paul's principals. Leaders aren't typically that smart, just know how to use resources better than most.

[PatColo]

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[Horn]

I think what Tarpley tries to put across is that Israel is setup as a scapegoat/fallguy for Anglo-Saxon capitalist ambition.

You could very well say the same existed in mid-evil ages with the crusades.

Kings get the priests to send "expansionary leftover" subjects to be slaughtered in the Middle East.

Israel has just taken over the role of the state supported then persecuted priest.

I didn't finish the whole thing, but didn't hear him say he supported jewry anywhere in there.

[mick silver]

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