Corporations Must Have a Particular Advantage

[palani]

This one bears some thoughts. Nations cannot be corporations because corporations MUST be confined to some species of particular advantage. The public good does not include private advantage.

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This is from the 1808 Laws of the territory of Orleans ... a congress controlled territory at the time.

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The U.S. of A. at the present time is a mere corporation that does not work for the public good but for the particular advantage of a class defined by the 14th amendment as "United States citizens". Not only that, but this corporation is buried to its neck in bankruptcy.

Odd how you can search the past to find answers for the present.

[Hatha Sunahara]

this corporation is buried to its neck in bankruptcy

Does anyone here know that the US declared bankruptcy at least 4 times? The worst was in 1933 when Roosevelt ordered everyone (all the ''citizens' that is) to turn in their gold. Many people consider Nixon's taking us off the gold standard to be another bankruptcy. The problem is that the media does not call it bankruptcy, and continues as if nothing had happened.

Anyone who makes a serious attempt to call attention to the bankruptcy of the government is severely punished. In the 1930s A representative named Louis Mc Fadden made a speech calling the Federal Reserve corrupt. He was assassinated on the third attempt. More recently, Jim Traficant, Rep from Ohio made a speech on the floor of the House telling everyone the US was bankrupt. He went to jail for 8 years on some trumped up charges of corruption.

How can a government that cannot even admit that it is bankrupt claim that it exists to further the public good? Is it in the public good to invade other countries on trumped up pretexts? Is it in the public good the aggressively rack up astronomical debt that the public is responsible for? After the 1933 bankruptcy the government, and the nation, including the people (those who have birth certificates), and even all the land are owned by the international bankers.

If people understood this, the actions of the government would make a little more sense.
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Hatha

[palani]

Does anyone here know that the US declared bankruptcy at least 4 times?
Hatha

I have heard that the Revolutionary War debts that the U.S. owed France were bought from France by Great Britain. The date of the first bankruptcy was in the 1789 range. Seventy years later (1859) Britain renewed the debt (resulting in the (un)civil war), in 1929 Britain again renewed the debt (resulting in the great depression). Finally, in 1999 Britain again renewed the debt (resulting in planes being flown into tall buildings and invasion of nations too weak to put up much of a defense).

Bankruptcy internationally occurs in 70 year intervals. Major things seem to happen around those same intervals.

[Hatha Sunahara]

The U.S. of A. at the present time is a mere corporation that does not work for the public good but for the particular advantage of a class defined by the 14th amendment as "United States citizens". Not only that, but this corporation is buried to its neck in bankruptcy.

Palani, you have posted several times a legal maxim about what is owed to a corporation is not owed to its members, nor is what the corporation owes the debt of its members. Much more eloquent in Latin maybe.

So, if the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA engages in activities it claims is for the public good of its 'citizens', and this entity is a corporation, isn't it violating that maxim? And wouldn't we, the citizens be in our right to assume we individually and collectively are not liable for the debts of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Or am I assuming the wrong thing? We, citizens, are not the owners of this corporation. Maybe we are its' assets? It's slaves? And the real owners are the international bankers who cannot squeeze anything from a dead corporation, so it squeezes it out of the living 'assets' of that corporation? Like they do with taxes. And like they do when they devalue the money, or make it scarce so people have to sell their property at rock bottom prices to live. Perhaps the public good is to have this corporation protect its assets (slaves) from the predation of its owners. Or was that just the idea of those foolish people called the Founding Fathers?

Hatha

[palani]

So, if the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA engages in activities it claims is for the public good of its 'citizens', and this entity is a corporation, isn't it violating that maxim? And wouldn't we, the citizens be in our right to assume we individually and collectively are not liable for the debts of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Citizens are not an asset or a liability. More properly they might be called "customers". The federal corporation performs functions for its customers and expects them to pay for the service. It also expects them to obey the federal laws and the laws of the administrative state.

It is a fee for service type of operation. Except when they start doing things for your benefit that you object to they still seem to want to get paid.

The U.S. of A. is a municipal corporation. It's figurehead is the sitting president. He is the one who has signed on to the debt and it is all his responsibility.

The Federal Reserve note is a servitude. You carry it voluntarily. Someone or something expects to be paid for the service they have provided.

[Hatha Sunahara]

And the public good is equivalent to 'customer satisfaction'? If you're not satisfied, can you go to the competition?

How many euphemisms do we have for slavery?


Hatha

[gunDriller]

How many euphemisms do we have for slavery?

Hatha

how many corporate trademarks are there ?

Facebook, Google, Wikipedia ... Fox, CNN, MSNBC ... antiwar.com, California "progressive media" - all set up to control your mind and to suck money out of your wallet.

[palani]

And the public good is equivalent to 'customer satisfaction'?
Corporations serve private interests only. Private interests pay the freight.


If you're not satisfied, can you go to the competition?

Only if you can get over pledging allegiance to a corporation. You government only owes you protection. You only owe your government allegiance. Neither comes with a price tag.

[Hatha Sunahara]

My country tis of thee.
Sweet land of liberty.

Same tune as God Save The Queen.

Who will protect me from my government. Is there a constitution around? Does it work? That's a dirty trick to teach kids to pledge allegiance in school. Poor kids have no idea what the deal is--but they get approval for doing it. Does anybody applaud when you pay your taxes? No one has ever come around and said to me "Thanks for paying your taxes." Can I pay them with a 'Pledge of Allegiance?' Then I would have to accept their 'protection'. From whom? I have no enemies. I suppose they provide the enemies too, and if I pay up, they won't bother me. Sounds familiar. Like a protection racket. I wonder if the mafia has a pledge of allegiance?


Hatha

[palani]

Who will protect me from my government.

Act like a state. Be self-governing. Governments and states are two separate entities. States might contract out their government or they might be responsible and be their own government.

[Twisted Titan]

I wonder if the mafia has a pledge of allegiance?



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[Santa]

Act like a state. Be self-governing. Governments and states are two separate entities. States might contract out their government or they might be responsible and be their own government.

How do you act like a state? Roll over over and beg for more?

[palani]

How do you act like a state? Roll over over and beg for more?

Really fairly easy. Start here:

1 ) Don't engage in treaties
2 ) Avoid alliances or confederations
3 ) Don't issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal
4 ) Don't coin money
5 ) Don't emit bills of credit
6 ) Don't make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts
7 ) Don't pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts
8 ) Don't grant any Title of Nobility
9 ) Don't lay imposts or duties on imports or exports
10 ) Don't lay duty of tonnage
11 ) Don't keep troops or ships of war in time of peace
12 ) Don't enter into any agreement or compact with any other state or other foreign powers
13 ) Don't engage in war unless invaded or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay

It really is quite simple, isn't it? You can actually do anything not on the above list without violating any previous commitment.