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Old Herb Lady
13th June 2012, 06:57 PM
I, I don't know what to say .

You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ! ( GOTTA CONTINUE THE VICTIMIZATION ! )

Sorry if this is a re-post, I might have missed it on here.......................





New Israeli study finds signs of trauma in grandchildren of Holocaust survivors



Study detects unprocessed, indirect signs of post-trauma, or problems in communication and interaction systems, among second-and-third-generation descendants of Holocaust victims.

By Dan Even | Apr.16, 2012 | 1:18 AM |




One of the most controversial subjects in academic research on the Holocaust is the trauma's impact on future generations. A new study carried out by Haifa University argues that Holocaust trauma signs can be identified among third-generation grandchildren.
The study, carried out by Dr. Miri Scharf and Prof. Ofra Mayseless from Haifa University's Education Department, detects unprocessed, indirect signs of post-trauma, or problems in communication and interaction systems, among second-and-third-generation descendants of Holocaust victims.

The study is based on in-depth interviews conducted with 196 Israelis who are second-generation descendants, and are considered functioning adults who do not suffer from psychological disturbances, and their children, third-generation descendants, a group with an average age of 18. The researchers identified three experiential patterns of distress that are liable to be passed down from generation to generation.


Threatening reality
Initially, the research discerned a tendency to focus on matters connected to survival. Second-generation participants in the study testified that their Holocaust survivor parents were emotionally engaged in a survival struggle in which the world was viewed as a threatening reality filled with unexpected events; the parents continually prepared themselves for the unknown.
Some participants in the survey said that their parents were overly protective, and prevented them, when they were children, from going out on outings, or visiting friends.
Many participants recalled that their parents were worried that they (the children ) would suffer harm, or die suddenly. As a result, many second-generation participants developed fears about harm being caused to their parents, or about their parents' deaths. In addition, fears among the parents were expressed via preparation for some future calamity - parents would hoard food and other items, and would make efforts to feed their children so that they would gain weight and be immune to danger.
The study argues that these survival concerns are often passed down from generation to generation, and can now be documented among teenagers who belong to the third generation.
These teenagers testified that the survival worries of their second-generation parents focused mainly on anxieties about hunger and the development of disease. According to the researchers, despite the fact that second-generation daughters mainly considered their parents' anxieties a nuisance, some of them passed down the very same anxieties to their own children.


Lack of support
The researchers compiled testimony provided by second-generation participants, relating to the perceived lack of emotional support given to them by their parents. Some participants in the study reported that their parents were unable to develop warm, supportive relationships, when they needed such support in their childhood years.
Survivor parents were perceived by some second-generation children as being inaccessible, cold and distant. And even though these second-generation participants described their parents' inaccessibility as being problematic, some of them were perceived by their own children as being remote and cold.
Out of 30 women in this second-generation group who testified that their parents were cold and distant, 20 of them have teenage children who complain of similar experiences with their parents. The same dynamic was reported by 14 children of 30 second-generation fathers.
Finally, the researchers identified a tendency among second-generation participants to try to please their parents, and make them happy; this trait has been passed along to third-generation teenagers.
As the researchers put it, "the child's need to worry about his or her parents' happiness represents a way of trying to draw closer to his or her parents."



Problems aren't extreme
The authors conclude that this new study reinforces findings in previous research studies about the generational transference of Holocaust trauma.
Yet, while the personal narratives provided by second-generation participants feature reports of deep emotional distress, this study did not find extreme behavioral problems among the third-generation teens. Scharf and Mayseless claim that their findings have important implications with respect to the mental health of second and third generation descendants.
They say that health care professionals should be aware of ways in which trauma is passed along through generations. The findings were published in November 2011, in the Qualitative Health Research journal.
Scharf notes that "Holocaust trauma includes extreme, difficult experiences, and it bears mention that survivors did everything they could to cope with these experiences.
A strong majority of them managed to raise exemplary children and grandchildren, and I am full of admiration for them."
The issue of intra-generational transference of trauma is controversial in academia. In the 1980s, preliminary findings about the impact of the Holocaust upon the third generation were presented by Dr. P.A. Rosenthal, a child psychiatrist from New York, and his wife Dr. S. Rosenthal.
The two called on the psychiatric community to develop a psycho-historical approach to care for third generation descendants of Holocaust survivors.
A research study conducted five years ago at the Ruppin Academic Center argued that eating disorders among third-generation female students can be linked to eating problems suffered by their second-generation mothers, and also to the extent to which their grandparents exposed them to Holocaust realities.
But a study published in June 2008 by a team of Israeli researchers, headed by Haifa University's Prof. Avi Sagi-Schwartz, cast doubt upon the influence of the Holocaust upon third-generation descendants.
About half a million Holocaust survivors immigrated to Israel after World War II. Some 200,000 are thought to be living in the country today.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/new-israeli-study-finds-signs-of-trauma-in-grandchildren-of-holocaust-survivors-1.424480

drafter
13th June 2012, 07:24 PM
Keeping the business alive for future generations!!

ShortJohnSilver
13th June 2012, 08:38 PM
Would be fascinating if these two professional morons would investigate 2nd and 3rd generation Holodomor (caused by Jews) behavior also...

Book
13th June 2012, 09:11 PM
http://www.germancapitalofkansas.com/images/German%20boy.jpg
HOW MUCH THIS GONNA COST ME?

PatColo
13th June 2012, 10:16 PM
http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awjeeznotthisshitagain.jpg

good one John on the Holodomor. I think I'll do a revision of the article, an "if only..." version.

for that matter, we have the
Thread: Irish Holocaust ("famine") discussion podcast (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60961-Irish-Holocaust-%28-quot-famine-quot-%29-discussion-podcast)

which I think was suitably proven to have not been a "natural famine" at all, coz brit troops were taking the sufficient Irish food away at gun point, to offset their own food crisis..

Guest in that podcast also noted that it was documented at that time [1845-1850] that they had used the word Holocaust to describe it, derived from the fact that neighbors would discover whole families dead in their homes (starvation), and rather than risk disease from handling the decaying bodies, they would burn the whole house down and the corpses inside would burn with. They didn't have a word for it at that time, so they used the word "holocaust" coz it was in the Bible. So the Irish OWN that word, coz they used it to describe a real world event, b4 djooz even.

http://www.irishholocaust.org/


The Mass Graves of Ireland


http://www.irishholocaust.org/_/rsrc/1264372206102/home/map-button.jpg (http://www.irishholocaust.org/1024-map.gif?attredirects=0)


(Click Map Above)

Irishmen and Irishwomen!
Read this site and weep. Weep for the agonies and deaths of your people at the hands of genocidists. The authorities who imposed the curriculum, the teachers and professors who funneled it into you, have carefully kept you uninformed as to which British regiment, or that any regiment, murdered your people. Until now, that information was kept from you. You had no access to it. You do now - you read it on your computer screen! Commit the regiment's name to memory.

Never, ever, forget it!
Learn its British HQ town. As no Jewish person would ever refer to the "Jewish Oxygen Famine of 1939 - 1945", so no Irish person ought ever refer to the Irish Holocaust as a famine. Continue (http://www.irishholocaust.org/britain%27scoverup)



Page List:
Introduction (http://www.irishholocaust.org/home)
Britain's Cover Up (http://www.irishholocaust.org/britain%27scoverup)
The Food Removal (http://www.irishholocaust.org/thefoodremoval)
Voices in the Wilderness (http://www.irishholocaust.org/voicesinthewilderness)
Official British Intent (http://www.irishholocaust.org/officialbritishintent)
Toll of Holocaust (http://www.irishholocaust.org/tollofholocaust)
Complicity (http://www.irishholocaust.org/complicity)
What We Must Do (http://www.irishholocaust.org/whatwemustdo)
Lisnabinnia Memorial (http://www.irishholocaust.org/lisnabinniamemorial)
Liverpool, Great Hunger (http://www.irishholocaust.org/liverpoolandthegreat)
Sister Jean Marie (http://www.irishholocaust.org/sisterjeanmarie)
New Info (http://www.irishholocaust.org/newinfo)

ximmy
13th June 2012, 10:19 PM
http://msnsmileys.net/r/smileys/ROFL/Rofl_3e.gif Funny ha-ha

PatColo
14th June 2012, 03:25 AM
for those who should brush up on the Ukrainian Holodomor genocide,
https://startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&cat=web&query=holodomor&language=english&no_sugg=1&ff=

^most results there will omit the overwhelming Jewish makeup of the Bolshevik/Communists, such that a separate search is almost necessary. Here's an article at IHR:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

funny, my browser seems to think "Holodomor" is a misspelled or non-word, gives the red squiggly line under it... not so with "Holocaust"; however it does still protest the more modern & historically accurate "HoloHoax" spelling. Surely future versions of the browser will correct these language shortcomings, ;)


New Israeli study finds signs of trauma in grandchildren of Holodomor survivors

Study detects unprocessed, indirect signs of post-trauma, or problems in communication and interaction systems, among second-and-third-generation descendants of Holodomor victims.

By Dan Even | Apr.16, 2012 | 1:18 AM |

One of the most controversial subjects in academic research on the Holodomor is the trauma's impact on future generations. A new study carried out by Haifa University argues that Holodomor trauma signs can be identified among third-generation grandchildren.

The study, carried out by Dr. Miri Scharf and Prof. Ofra Mayseless from Haifa University's Education Department, detects unprocessed, indirect signs of post-trauma, or problems in communication and interaction systems, among second-and-third-generation descendants of Holodomor victims.

The study is based on in-depth interviews conducted with 196 ethnic-Ukrainian Christians who are second-generation descendants, and are considered functioning adults who do not suffer from psychological disturbances, and their children, third-generation descendants, a group with an average age of 18. The researchers identified three experiential patterns of distress that are liable to be passed down from generation to generation.

Threatening reality

Initially, the research discerned a tendency to focus on matters connected to survival. Second-generation participants in the study testified that their Holodomor survivor parents were emotionally engaged in a survival struggle in which the world was viewed as a threatening reality filled with unexpected events; the parents continually prepared themselves for the unknown.

Some participants in the survey said that their parents were overly protective, and prevented them, when they were children, from going out on outings, or visiting friends, or befriending Jewish-Bolshevik/Communist family members.

Many participants recalled that their parents were worried that they (the children ) would suffer harm, or die suddenly. As a result, many second-generation participants developed fears about harm being caused to their parents, or about their parents' deaths from starvation or summary execution by the Jewish-Bolshevik/Communist NKVD Secret Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD#Domestic_repressions_and_executions). In addition, fears among the parents were expressed via preparation for some future calamity - parents would hoard food and other items, and would make efforts to feed their children so that they would gain weight and be immune to danger.

The study argues that these survival concerns are often passed down from generation to generation, and can now be documented among teenagers who belong to the third generation.

These teenagers testified that the survival worries of their second-generation parents focused mainly on anxieties about hunger, the development of disease, or their family being summarily murdered by the Jewish-Bolshevik/Communist NKVD Secret Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD#Domestic_repressions_and_executions). According to the researchers, despite the fact that second-generation daughters mainly considered their parents' anxieties a nuisance, some of them passed down the very same anxieties to their own children.

Lack of support or reparations, total historical blackout

The researchers compiled testimony provided by second-generation participants, relating to the perceived lack of emotional support given to them by their parents. Some participants in the study reported that their parents were unable to develop warm, supportive relationships, when they needed such support in their childhood years.

A notable surprise the study found, was a widespread inter-generational resentment over the stark difference between the sensatonalistic, continuous academic, political and mass-media "saturation coverage" which the debunked official narrative of the so-called "Jewish Holocaust" (http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html) has received for six decades, actually intensifying in the recent 4 decades rather than naturally receding; versus the relative blackout treatment which the Holodomor genocide has received since International Jewish-Bolshevik/Communists committed the engineered genocide in the early 1930s. Holodomor survivors widely attributed Zionist control of Western governments, television news & print media, popular music and Hollywood movie industries as the underlying cause for the ad nausium reminders of "Jewish suffering", to the exclusion of all historical Gentile suffering- including that suffering & genocide caused directly by world Jewry, such as the Holodomor.

http://www.toqonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/jews_whining.jpg
3rd generation Jewish Holohuxters whining
like little bitches.
Comstock/Getty Images

Additionally, the still-ongoing "reparations" which the organized worldwide Jewish community has swindled from their alleged WW2 oppressors, the people of Germany, was found to be a point of accute resentment, given that this same tribe committed the Holodomor mass genocide, yet never paid any reparations to its ethnic-Ukrainian Christian surviving victims, nor to their descendants. "Where's Ukraine's free nuclear bling bling? (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html)" was a commonly echoed question from all generations of Holodomor survivors, the study found.

Survivor parents were perceived by some second-generation children as being inaccessible, cold and distant. And even though these second-generation participants described their parents' inaccessibility as being problematic, some of them were perceived by their own children as being remote and cold.

Out of 30 women in this second-generation group who testified that their parents were cold and distant, 20 of them have teenage children who complain of similar experiences with their parents. The same dynamic was reported by 14 children of 30 second-generation fathers.

Finally, the researchers identified a tendency among second-generation participants to try to please their parents, and make them happy; this trait has been passed along to third-generation teenagers.

As the researchers put it, "the child's need to worry about his or her parents' happiness represents a way of trying to draw closer to his or her parents."

Problems are extreme

The authors conclude that this new study reinforces findings in previous research studies about the generational transference of Holodomor trauma.

While the personal narratives provided by second-generation participants feature reports of deep emotional distress, this study also found extreme behavioral problems among the third-generation teens. Scharf and Mayseless claim that their findings have important implications with respect to the mental health of second and third generation descendants.

They say that health care professionals should be aware of ways in which trauma is passed along through generations. The findings were published in November 2011, in the Qualitative Health Research journal.

Scharf notes that "Holodomor trauma includes extreme, difficult experiences, and it bears mention that survivors did everything they could to cope with these experiences.

A minority of them managed to raise exemplary children and grandchildren, and I am full of admiration for them."

The issue of intra-generational transference of trauma is controversial in academia. In the 1980s, preliminary findings about the impact of the Holodomor upon the third generation were presented by Dr. P.A. Rosenthal, a child psychiatrist from New York, and his wife Dr. S. Rosenthal.

The two called on the psychiatric community to develop a psycho-historical approach to care for third generation descendants of Holodomor survivors.

A research study conducted five years ago at the Ruppin Academic Center argued that eating disorders among third-generation female students can be linked to eating problems suffered by their second-generation mothers, and also to the extent to which their grandparents exposed them to Holodomor realities.

But a study published in June 2008 by a team of Israeli researchers, headed by Haifa University's Prof. Avi Sagi-Schwartz, cast doubt upon the influence of the Holodomor upon third-generation descendants.

About 10 million Holodomor survivors emigrated to the West after World War II. Some 5 Million are thought to be living in the West today.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/new-israeli-study-finds-signs-of-trauma-in-grandchildren-of-holodomor-survivors-1.424480 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/new-israeli-study-finds-signs-of-trauma-in-grandchildren-of-holocaust-survivors-1.424480)

Old Herb Lady
14th June 2012, 05:39 AM
Thanks Pat ! That gives a whole new meaning to FIFY !

Awoke
14th June 2012, 10:26 AM
Seriously everytime I see that picture of those guys crying, I laugh, and want to punch them at the same time.

PatColo
14th June 2012, 07:44 PM
remember this:
Holodomor the Movie (2009) (Ukraine genocide early 1930s) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60627-Holodomor-the-Movie-%282009%29-%28Ukraine-genocide-early-1930s%29&p=536611&viewfull=1#post536611)


being the do-gooder that I am, I sent along my (revised) Haaretz article above to the filmmakers, just a short comment at the top that I was shocked to find the study as reported by Haaretz, then pasted the text of my revised Holodomor article, complete with links & whining holohuxters pic. Recall above, we corresponded once before, and she wrote back that in their scholarly research, they found no evidence of a big joosh hand behind bolshevism/communism so it's not in their documentary, :o

I added a couple links in my revised article like


Holodomor survivors widely attributed Zionist control of Western governments, television news & print media (http://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/do-jews-dominat.html), popular music and Hollywood movie industries (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19) as the underlying cause for the ad nauseum reminders of "Jewish suffering", to the exclusion of all historical Gentile suffering- including that suffering & genocide caused directly by world Jewry, such as the Holodomor.


and


Additionally, the still-ongoing "reparations" which the organized worldwide Jewish community have swindled (http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8) from their alleged WW2 oppressors, the people of Germany, [...]

and at the end I posted the real haaretz link (nice little surprise package when they click to verify), and said,


also see:
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
and Russia's Early Soviet Regime (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html)

Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism

https://gfx5.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr04/ltr/emo/winking_smile.gif

Letcha know if I hear back! OO)~

steyr_m
14th June 2012, 08:27 PM
Keeping the business alive for future generations!!

Remembering the 6.00 million for the next 6.00 million years