AK and AR Vs Twinkie

[LuckyStrike]

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[LuckyStrike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXiySQpSMM

[LuckyStrike]

LOL Check out this AR apologist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UhOb8q9CI-E#!

[steyr_m]

The AR vs AK debate rages on. If I was allowed to own an AK, I'd probably have one. I am allowed to own an AR -- so I have one of those....

[Hillbilly]

For the life of me I do not know why there is so much love and devotion to piece of shit that was literally forced on the military by Mcnamara and his cronies. It has been a tremendously expensive failure.

On a side note does anyone know how the SKS compares with the AK's in durability?

[steyr_m]

For the life of me I do not know why there is so much love and devotion to piece of shit that was literally forced on the military by Mcnamara and his cronies. It has been a tremendously expensive failure.

On a side note does anyone know how the SKS compares with the AK's in durability?

Yeah, one can see comparisons of AK's with AR's all over the place. What about the SKS & AK?

[Heimdhal]

I want to see an FAL take a twinkie in the ass like that. I can't remember the last time a twinkie inadvertantly found its way into a combat rifle's mag well.



You dont keep spare twinkies in your chamber? I thought everyone did. Silly me. My VGF carries spare batteries for my red dot, a simple bore snake and a baked potato and skirt steak with seasonings.

[LuckyStrike]

You dont keep spare twinkies in your chamber?

Most noobs don't but seasoned veterans such as yourself know it is good lubricant for all the inner workings of a gun.

[Twisted Titan]

Well i can safely say that a Custard filled treat wont find its way into the chamber of My long Gun........ I do know that dirt,sand, mud or some other form of crud might.

That is why I love My Sagia Rifles and Shotguns. I want something that can take abuse especially the abuse of a Twinkie.

[Awoke]

SKS is very reliable, but I know the AK is as well. AR's seem to be plague-ridden half the time.

Tagging.

[Heimdhal]

The good thing about the AK is that if Russia or China invade America you can pick up the dead enemy troops magazines and ammunition to keep up the fight. Plus you're also familiar with the Russian/Chinese platform in case you have to pick up and fight with one their AK's. The AR people will be shit out of luck then!

Neither russia nor china are using 7.62x39 as their primary round. Most of their old guns in that chambering are either floating around the international arms market or are being used by home-defense troops and guards.

That doesnt mean you cant use whatever guns they happen to be toting around but I think an open invasion from both nations of our mainland is fairly unlikley.

[k-os]

I have to remember not to feed my AR any twinkies.

[Awoke]

Steyr you need a nice tricked out SKS man.

[Heimdhal]

Steyr you need a nice tricked out SKS man.

My Russian SKS with tech sights is one of my favorite rifles of all I own. Granted, the AK is the "go" gun, but the SKS will always hold a place in my heart ;)

[Awoke]

I bet it would pass the twinkie test.

[Heimdhal]

I bet it would pass the twinkie test.

Oh, I've got no doubts. They are just as rugged and reliable as an AK. Its hard to make them stop.

[Awoke]

I have modified mine to allow for mag swaps with the action closed. Next mod will cause a nice, neat side eject for spent brass, instead of the current mess that it makes.

[Heimdhal]

If you use detatchable mags, the drop free bolt mod is a must. Because my last remaining SKS is an early model 1950 Russian, I've left it bone stock, but my chi-com had the drop free bolt mod and it was nice. You canadians get russian's for next to nothing, so that might not matter as much for you. Here its practicaly a collectable, worth some decent money.


On the brass ejecting, I really wouldnt bother unless you have an optic over the ejection port. For that, you can get a brass deflector that mounts over top, but you lose the ability to use the strippers should you ever want to. I honestly wouldnt mess with it. Theres a reason the ejection port is so open and most of that has to do with reliability. Believe me, when bullets are flying, you wont care where your brass is going.


Have you ever looked at the Marcus Duckbill-less magazine adapters? http://www.thesksmagadapter.com/

[Awoke]

If you use detatchable mags, the drop free bolt mod is a must. Because my last remaining SKS is an early model 1950 Russian, I've left it bone stock, but my chi-com had the drop free bolt mod and it was nice. You canadians get russian's for next to nothing, so that might not matter as much for you. Here its practicaly a collectable, worth some decent money.


$200 for a Russian/Yugo, you can get Chinese for cheaper.



On the brass ejecting, I really wouldnt bother unless you have an optic over the ejection port. For that, you can get a brass deflector that mounts over top, but you lose the ability to use the strippers should you ever want to. I honestly wouldnt mess with it. Theres a reason the ejection port is so open and most of that has to do with reliability. Believe me, when bullets are flying, you wont care where your brass is going.


It's really a simple mod. Totally worth it. Takes minutes. I usually shoot with iron sites, but sometimes I will attach a red dot or other optic, which gets fouled up with oils and shit from the gases.
I lost my ability to use stripper clips when I did the drop free bolt mod, because the mags would not seat with a closed action still, due to that little tab that locks the bolt carrier open upon an empty mag. I had to remove that little tab and spring.
So it won't have a negative effect on my rifle if I do teh side eject mod. You basically just cut the side wall down with a grinder. I have a buddy who has done it on the same SKS and it works flawlessly.



Have you ever looked at the Marcus Duckbill-less magazine adapters? http://www.thesksmagadapter.com/

I have seen a similar adapter by some dude on Youtube. I think his account username was AntiBabylon or something. He charges too much money though.

My SKS uses detachable magazines. I have the parts and plans to make my own adapter so I can modify my mags to get rid of the duck bill. I just haven't made the time for it yet. (I have a lot of projects on the go)

[Heimdhal]

I personally know the guy that makes those mag adapters on that link. If you ever want to go duck-bill-less, they are totaly worth the money from everything I've heard (One of my shooting clubs is an SKS club, so we talk alot of these things). I can tell you he has spent a LOT of time and money getting his adapter just right and to date has had no reported failures from anyone (and hes sold to LOTS of people).


See, we cant even get the chinese for $200 here anymore unless its a steal. My russian is worth almost $500 in the states, for you guys, its literaly just another $250 or so rifle. Stupid import bans fucked us. I bought my first chi-com for about $300 a few years ago and sold others for more in recent months. My Russian isnt going anywhere, particularly because my wife stole and it made it hers..... -_-



I've never heard of taking the bolt-hold-open tab out for the doing the drop free bolt mod. Just taking the guide rails off the bolt (those little wings) should have been all you needed to do. Having the bolt hold open is a nice feature, but not totaly necessary though. I've learned my AK well enough to know the feel and sound of it closing on an empty chamber and of course you should always practice tactical reloads (reloading with a fresh mag any chance you can) and keeping your partial mags in a dump bag.


Thats one thing I like about the stripper clips as a backup to detachable mags. You can carry a lot more spare ammo on clips than mags in back pack, etc and with practice, a clip reload can be pretty quick, granted you're still stuck doing them more often.


Do you guys have access to the yugoslavian surplus m67 ammo up there?

[Awoke]

I personally know the guy that makes those mag adapters on that link. If you ever want to go duck-bill-less, they are totaly worth the money from everything I've heard (One of my shooting clubs is an SKS club, so we talk alot of these things). I can tell you he has spent a LOT of time and money getting his adapter just right and to date has had no reported failures from anyone (and hes sold to LOTS of people).



I believe it, but I know I can build my own too. I take pride in that sort of thing.



See, we cant even get the chinese for $200 here anymore unless its a steal. My russian is worth almost $500 in the states, for you guys, its literaly just another $250 or so rifle. Stupid import bans fucked us. I bought my first chi-com for about $300 a few years ago and sold others for more in recent months. My Russian isnt going anywhere, particularly because my wife stole and it made it hers..... -_-

Hehe, yes, my wife loves my SKS too, and I rarely get to shoot it without her standing behind me, impatiently tapping her foot.

Regarding your import ban, I agree it's stupid, but I would trade my SKS for an AK any day of the week, and we ar not allowed to have them in Canada. There are only a few exceptions, people who got grandfathered in, but once they die off, all AK's will be gone in Canada. (Except for the few underground ones if any)




I've never heard of taking the bolt-hold-open tab out for the doing the drop free bolt mod.

The hold tab would not drop down when the tapco mags were inserted. It had to come out. Trust me.
The bolt carrier was jammed in the open position eternally.



Do you guys have access to the yugoslavian surplus m67 ammo up there?

Not sure exactly. We have surplus Yugo ammo for sure, but I don't know about the m67 part.

[Heimdhal]

thats odd with the bolt hold open. I never had that issue on the few guns I did the mod too. But, you gotta do what ya gotta do and the feature isnt a necessity ;)



On the yugo, if its real surplus, itll be m67. Short of some of the modern, very expensive, hunting loads, its about the best stuff out there, and here in the states its usualy the cheapest. I loaded up when it was about .19 cents a round. Now its a little over .20, but its still a good deal.

It runs hot, because its military ammo and the yugos really over built their shit (in a good way). The bullet design has the best wounding properties of all the x39 on the market, using the m8(?) bullet. It is by far the most consistent out there as well. I've used it to good effect in my AK's and SKS's out beyond 400 yards+


For any type of SHTF and force-on-force, its the prefered ammo. It IS corrosive though, so you have to keep that in mind and just give the gun a good once over when you're done shooting.

You'll know it if you see it. Its brass cased, instead of steel, and box will usualy have the cryllic lettering (that funky, russian looking stuff) with a big M67 somewhere on the box.

[Awoke]

I'm sure we have it. Cannadaammo.com or wolverine supplies carry it I think. If I remember correctly it is more expensive than the steel cased stuff up here though.

All those firearms sites are blocked at work, so I can't check right now.

Le Baron has Romanian NON-corrosive for $209 a case (1320 rounds!!)
http://www.lebaron.ca/pdffiles/web_spec/surplus762_rom_web.pdf

Shit, that's a good deal. That's cheaper than what I normally pay for corrosive.
(I normally pay $225 for 1440 corrosive)

[Heimdhal]

Just make sure it isnt commerical if you're using it as your mainline defense ammo.


Commerical isnt BAD per se, it just isnt very consistent and thus you'll be all over the map in terms of accuracy, velocity and of course terminal performance. We've tested many, many types of commerical and they almost ALWAYS have significant variances in bullet weight and powder charge weight from round to round within the SAME batch. I.E. Pull one bullet, it might weigh 124.3 gr, pull the bulleter from the cartridge next to it and it might be 122.1. Diameter has also been seen to vary. Its supposed to be .311, but I've seen some as low as .309 (import).

When consistent, military ammo is available at near the same or cheaper prices, its a no brainer. Commercial is for practice, training, plinking and when you've used up all the good ammo fighting the zombies for 10 years.


If you can find it up your way, the Bulgarian ammo that just hit the market is good stuff. It uses the m8 bullet from the yugo M67, but its newer production (90's) and NON corrosive. Its israelie contract, so you'll see heebie lettering on the crates, but it is good stuff.

[Mouse]

Tula sks is my go-to gun. Much more accurate, smooth and less recoil; a better behaved gun. The AK is for when you need 30 rounds between changes. I hope I don't ever need the AK.

[old steel]

Tula sks is my go-to gun. Much more accurate, smooth and less recoil; a better behaved gun. The AK is for when you need 30 rounds between changes. I hope I don't ever need the AK.

Oh you're gonna need one mouse.

It's been said before but i'll say it again.

I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it.

[Mouse]

I have one. And the parts to make another one or fix it. And lots of mags. I wish I had two :)

[Awoke]

I wish I had a dozen.