Hypocrite...

[osoab]

Ron Paul, Social Security opponent, acknowledges he receives benefits (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-ron-paul-social-security-opponent-acknowledges-he-receives-benefits-20120620,0,7098631.story)



WASHINGTON – Ron Paul (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/ron-paul-PEPLT005095.topic), a staunch opponent of federal welfare programs, acknowledged Wednesday that he receives Social Security checks, shortly after advocating that younger generations opt out of the program.

Appearing on MSNBC (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/economy-business-finance/media-industry/msnbc-%28tv-network%29-ORCRP0000017172.topic)’s “Morning Joe,” Paul was asked by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJHakkNBZbA&feature=player_embedded) whether he should set an example for younger Americans and opt out of the program entirely. Paul, refusing the notion, compared the program to other common goods such as the post office.

“Just as I use the post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the federal reserve system, but that doesn’t mean you can’t work to remove this in the same way on Social Security,” the Texas congressman said. “In the same way with Social Security, I am trying to make a transition.

“I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut,” Paul said moments before.

Paul later clarified his remarks, saying: “I would preserve Social Security as best I can, but we want to get off.” He said he pays more into the system than he receives.



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[madfranks]

Why is he a hypocrite if he pays more than he receives? He is forced to pay, why can't he get some of it back?

[k-os]

I oppose it too, but I will collect it when I get the chance.

[ximmy]

I think we should be able to opt out, but what you have paid into it so far should be available for you.

[osoab]

Why is he a hypocrite if he pays more than he receives? He is forced to pay, why can't he get some of it back?

He is a hypocrite because he still takes advantage of the system he is trying to destroy. A leader sets an example.

[osoab]

I think we should be able to opt out, but what you have paid into it so far should be available for you.

There isn't anything there. It's all printed/created digits.

[k-os]

He is a hypocrite because he still takes advantage of the system he is trying to destroy. A leader sets an example.

How about this: by collecting from the system, he is helping to destroy it faster.

[osoab]

How about this: by collecting from the system, he is helping to destroy it faster.

He also helps perpetuate the need for such a system. Remember, he is ultimately stealing from his grand kids, that is if the system was solvent.

[Horn]

This is just like GoD calling Sarah Jessica Parker an actress only because she is jewish.

Politician first, Hypocrite second.

[osoab]

Politician first, Hypocrite second.


Politician and Hypocrite are synonyms.

[Horn]

Politician and Hypocrite are synonyms.

Yes, and I'm against labeling anyone... :)

[osoab]

Yes, and I'm against labeling anyone... :)


If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and .....

[Horn]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and .....

You haven't sniffed its poo yet.

I mean he says he wants to support those on it...

[Libertytree]

He is a hypocrite because he still takes advantage of the system he is trying to destroy. A leader sets an example.

Are you NOT going to collect your SS?

Ron Paul has already elected to not participate in the very lucrative .gov pension plan that was available to him, opting instead to be treated the way the rest of us are. We don't like it but WTF! We paid into it (against our will) so ya might as well try and get something back.

[Horn]

so ya might as well try and get something back.

Or at least ensure that voting block the you wouldn't do away with it all together.

By accepting it.

[Book]

...what you have paid into it so far should be available for you.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_131dsm4xhS8/TCzUn7RdxeI/AAAAAAAADFI/Iw_Mseiqkj4/s400/paulson-bernanke-geithner.jpg

Lemme check your account balance.

:D

[Osiris]

I see what you are saying.... There are other things he doesn't take part in, I believe, like benefits congressmen receive. I for one will collect as I was forced to contribute. If they said today, we are ending it, I would be happy to
let go of what I have contributed so far and save my own money. However, if I am his age and contributed forcefully for that many years I am pretty sure I would collect too.

[Sparky]

Calling that hypocritical is ridiculous. Do you conduct all of your transactions with precious metals and barter, or are you a hypocrite too? Even if you want to change the system, you still have to live in it. He'd be a damn fool to not take his SS.

[ximmy]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_131dsm4xhS8/TCzUn7RdxeI/AAAAAAAADFI/Iw_Mseiqkj4/s400/paulson-bernanke-geithner.jpg

Lemme check your account balance.

:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR5Z4n1TdSI

[Hatha Sunahara]

Social Security enrollment makes the IRS have jurisdiction over you. If you have a social security number, you cannot 'unenroll' yourself.

I think RP's objection to Social Security is that it is a large feature of a collectivist government. He's not a hypocrite for collecting.


Hatha

[Osiris]

While on the subject, not to hijack the thread, but why do we have an ss? IMO it's because my parents got one for me. A recent forwarded email about it being forced upon people made me ask my mom if she was forced when I was born. She said no, but at the time she couldn't claim me on her taxes if I didn't have one. (great benefit?) couldm't I have a child and just not get a birth certificate or ss?

[k-os]

While on the subject, not to hijack the thread, but why do we have an ss? IMO it's because my parents got one for me. A recent forwarded email about it being forced upon people made me ask my mom if she was forced when I was born. She said no, but at the time she couldn't claim me on her taxes if I didn't have one. (great benefit?) couldm't I have a child and just not get a birth certificate or ss?

I am not sure, but the lack of SS might be a problem with public school enrollment (which would be a good thing, IMO).

[ximmy]

I am not sure, but the lack of SS might be a problem with public school enrollment (which would be a good thing, IMO).

About ten years ago I knew some people who didn't get their kids SS numbers and home schooled them... They said it was up to the kids themselves if they wanted to get SS numbers. I don't know if they have birth certificates.

They didn't care about claiming tax benefits. They were here in Cali then they moved to Illinois.

[Horn]

I'm with ya you osoab.

He is in a position where it shouldn't be needed, so it shouldn't be taken.

Its defying his own meaning, and the meaning of it.

[Osiris]

I am not sure, but the lack of SS might be a problem with public school enrollment (which would be a good thing, IMO).

I agree! Would home school too if at all possible.


About ten years ago I knew some people who didn't get their kids SS numbers and home schooled them... They said it was up to the kids themselves if they wanted to get SS numbers. I don't know if they have birth certificates.

They didn't care about claiming tax benefits. They were here in Cali then they moved to Illinois.

Interesting. I wish I was taught what I know now at a younger age and could decide those things for myself.

I heard a story in the last year or so about two girls that didn't have birth certificates and when they turned 18 they were asking the government for one..... Why? Can't travel outside the country I guess...? Or get a job with a corporation?

[jimswift]

Its his money, it was taken from him. He isn't collecting somebody else's property, it is his own labor that produced it.

Like said earlier, he doesn't participate in the pension and he gives large sums of his unused congressional office budget back. He didn't accept medicare and such when he practiced, etc...

He sets plenty of examples, but I just can't see getting robbed and then when the opportunity to get your stuff back, saying

'nah, y'all keep it, I refuse to accept my stuff back out of principle. See, I don't approve of the way you took it, so I can't have anything to do with my stuff now.'

[madfranks]

He is a hypocrite because he still takes advantage of the system he is trying to destroy. A leader sets an example.

As long as one is forced, repeat forced, to contribute, I don't think it's hypocritical to take some of it back, while at the same time opposing the whole system. If it was voluntary and he participated while decrying it, then he'd be a hypocrite.

[vacuum]

Another thing Ron Paul is known to do is insert pork into bills for his own district, then vote against the bills. That's Ben Franklin-level political skill right there.

[osoab]

Calling that hypocritical is ridiculous. Do you conduct all of your transactions with precious metals and barter, or are you a hypocrite too? Even if you want to change the system, you still have to live in it. He'd be a damn fool to not take his SS.

My integrity is not in question. It is RP, him double dipping at the public trough, and his lack of will in the last few weeks for his campaign that needs to dicussed.

There is no money in SS you know that Sparky. Whatever RP and millions of others had forced from them is gone now. He helps promote the myth that SS will always be there by accepting it.

I don't give a pass to the guy for taking it. He espouses the need to cut entitlements and gov spending, yet he accepts benefits from the gravy train.

[osoab]

As long as one is forced, repeat forced, to contribute, I don't think it's hypocritical to take some of it back, while at the same time opposing the whole system. If it was voluntary and he participated while decrying it, then he'd be a hypocrite.

So by him forcing his own grand kids to pay for him, is that acceptable? Ultimately, that's what it is if the system is solvent.

There is no SS money. So why help keep the myth going?

[Bigjon]

So by him forcing his own grand kids to pay for him, is that acceptable? Ultimately, that's what it is if the system is solvent.

There is no SS money. So why help keep the myth going?

Show us where and when Ron Paul has ever voted to support any of these unconstitutional acts.

You are so wrong, you stink.

[palani]

I oppose it too, but I will collect it when I get the chance.
Here is your opportunity then. In an interview with Alfred Adask a gentleman by the name of Lloyd Smith (located in the Oregon/Washington region) disclosed that when ill and out of resources and aged in the mid 50's he closed his social security account and the following day applied for the minimum monthly benefit available by closing that account .. something like $600 a month.

You can go in and open a social security account one day, close it the following day and apply for this minimum benefit on the third day. That is the way their rules are written. Social Security will not like you very much when you do this but they still are required to send the check out.

Notice that this is the substance of Lloyd Smith's interview. I have no knowledge whether anybody else has done so or if his statements are accurate but I suspect they are.

[osoab]

Show us where and when Ron Paul has ever voted to support any of these unconstitutional acts.

You are so wrong, you stink.

My "love" for RP doesn't blind me either.

[madfranks]

Here is your opportunity then. In an interview with Alfred Adask a gentleman by the name of Lloyd Smith (located in the Oregon/Washington region) disclosed that when ill and out of resources and aged in the mid 50's he closed his social security account and the following day applied for the minimum monthly benefit available by closing that account .. something like $600 a month.

You can go in and open a social security account one day, close it the following day and apply for this minimum benefit on the third day. That is the way their rules are written. Social Security will not like you very much when you do this but they still are required to send the check out.

Notice that this is the substance of Lloyd Smith's interview. I have no knowledge whether anybody else has done so or if his statements are accurate but I suspect they are.

How exactly does one close their SS account? I don't know about anyone else, but I've actually tried closing mine; I've sent in the "official" forms, and even talked with SS reps on the phone. They told me I couldn't close the account and to think of it as a "forced savings plan". My notarized forms, sent by registered mail, requesting my removal from the SS system have simply been ignored.

[palani]

How exactly does one close their SS account? I don't know about anyone else, but I've actually tried closing mine; I've sent in the "official" forms, and even talked with SS reps on the phone. They told me I couldn't close the account and to think of it as a "forced savings plan". My notarized forms, sent by registered mail, requesting my removal from the SS system have simply been ignored.
As it is not YOUR account you will not be able to close it. The fact that it is still there is evidenced by the SS sending you money. The reason you cannot close it is because it is not YOURs to close. The name on the account will be in all caps with an initial rather than a middle name.

My yeas are yeas and my nays are nays. It doesn't matter what SS does ... what matters is what I do. Possibly you are the same way? Once the account is severed you just don't refer to it again ... ever. Adask archives his audio files but the outfit that stores them does charge a small fee. The audio file you want is dated Thursday June 9th, 2011. Details here:
http://adask.wordpress.com/radio/