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DMac

22nd June 2012, 11:20 AM

Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey's Military F-4 Jet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554246

It's getting warmer in here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/syria-shoots-down-nato-member-turkeys-military-f-4-jet)

DMac

22nd June 2012, 11:34 AM

Report: Russia built radar site on Syrian-Turkish border (http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=283675)

15 June 2012 / TODAY’S ZAMAN, İSTANBUL
Russia has established a radar station on the border separating Turkey and Syria, French news outlet Le Figaro said on June 14.

According to Le Figaro, the radar station was set up near the Syrian city of Kesab.

Russian news agencies also reported on the matter, noting that the radar station was set up on the border between Syria and Turkey close to Kesab. The radar site in question is allegedly meant to assist the Assad regime in following the activities of the Syrian opposition in this strategically important area.

According to Le Figaro, the radar site will serve two of Moscow’s important aims. First, the radar site will observe NATO military bases, including the US military facilities that are located in the Turkish province of Adana on the other side of the Syrian-Turkish border. Second, with this radar site the Assad regime will get the chance to observe the Syrian-Turkish border. The story also notes that hundreds of Syrian opposition groups are organizing under the flag of the Free Syrian Army along the border.

DMac

22nd June 2012, 11:36 AM

Syrian rebels report steady supply of arms, say Turkey helps transport (http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/syrian-rebels-report-steady-supply-of-arms-say-turkey-helps-transport-1.180305)

snip

Although they still lack the kind of heavy weaponry that might help them decisively drive back the military, rebels in central Syria are constructing bigger and more effective bombs, and a steady flow of money from the militants' leadership in Turkey has allowed them to purchase sufficient amounts of small arms.

Book

22nd June 2012, 11:48 AM

http://thomasfortenberry.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Vladimir-Putin-1.jpg

About time Putin stepped in.

osoab

22nd June 2012, 05:35 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
Escalation: Syria Says Turkish Jet Shot Down Was Over Syrian Territorial Waters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/escalation-syria-says-turkish-jet-shot-down-was-over-syrian-territorial-waters)

Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 06/22/2012 - 18:25 China (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139) Reuters (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/reuters) Turkey (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/turkey) The "Syrianna" story from this afternoon (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/syria-shoots-down-nato-member-turkeys-military-f-4-jet), which many were quick to label as merely a lot of diplomatic hot air and rhetoric, just turned uglier, after Syria not only did not officially apologize as Turkey PM Erdogan implied had happened previously for the shot down Turkish F-4 fighter jet, but instead turned the tables on Turkey, and gave itself an out for what is now a definitive military action. From Reuters:

The Syrian military said it shot down a Turkish military aircraft "over Syrian territorial waters" on Friday.

"Our air defences confronted a target that penetrated our air space over our territorial waters pre-afternoon on Friday and shot it down. It turned out to be a Turkish military plane," a statement by the military circulated on state media said.

The only question remains whether Syria's act was offensive or defensive. Naturally, its version is one of self-defense. Turkey obviously will claim it was in its right to be wherever the plane may be, and will say this was an act of provocation. Then NATO, read Hillary Clinton, will promptly step in, and make this a case in which Turkey was in its right and that Syria committed an act of aggression. From there, things will just escalate, and can potentially deteriorate to a far more troubling scale, because as we reminded earlier (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/syria-shoots-down-nato-member-turkeys-military-f-4-jet), Syria has recently become a major symbol for NATO vs the Russia-China axis.

osoab

24th June 2012, 04:11 PM

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NATO Member Turkey Says Syrian Jet Take Down Is A Hostile Act (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/nato-member-turkey-says-syrian-jet-take-down-hostile-act)

Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 06/24/2012 - 11:43 China (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139) Turkey
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Update 2: CLINTON: SYRIAN DOWNING OF TURKISH JET 'BRAZEN, UNACCEPTABLE. Just as we expected.

Update: All 28 NATO Allies will meet Tuesday following Turkey's request under article 4 of the Washington Treaty

And so the escalation-cum-provocation-cum false flag is complete. There was a time when shooting down a foreign jet over one's territory was considered self-defense. But not when the one doing the defending is perpetual media bogeyman Syria, which "unnamed sources say" kills hundreds, nay thousands of its own people daily, usually in round, soundbitey numbers. Of course, the other side to the story is irrelevant: the Western-led media is never known to fabricate stories that suit the status quo's power and military industrial complex interests. All that is relevant is for the west, aka NATO, aka Hillary Clinton to get an angle to push for provocation. She just got it. As we suspected on Friday, there was much more than met the eye with the Syrian take down of a Turkey F-4 jet. Remember what we said on Friday (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/escalation-syria-says-turkish-jet-shot-down-was-over-syrian-territorial-waters): "The only question remains whether Syria's act was offensive or defensive. Naturally, its version is one of self-defense. Turkey obviously will claim it was in its right to be wherever the plane may be, and will say this was an act of provocation. Then NATO, read Hillary Clinton, will promptly step in, and make this a case in which Turkey was in its right and that Syria committed an act of aggression. From there, things will just escalate, and can potentially deteriorate to a far more troubling scale, because as we reminded earlier, Syria has recently become a major symbol for NATO vs the Russia-China axis." And sure enough, just out from CNN: "Turkey declares jet shoot-down a 'hostile' act."

Neuro

24th June 2012, 05:13 PM

Not that I would expect any danger for those living in Istanbul, at this point, but I am happy to be in Sweden with my wife and children now...

osoab

24th June 2012, 05:31 PM

Not that I would expect any danger for those living in Istanbul, at this point, but I am happy to be in Sweden with my wife and children now...

What's the sentiment in Turkey right now Neuro?

Neuro

24th June 2012, 05:43 PM

What's the sentiment in Turkey right now Neuro?
I really don't know, but I would imagine that a frenzy is whipped up. People in general are easily steared towards nationalist passion in Turkey... Tends to cool down fairly quickly though...

osoab

24th June 2012, 05:45 PM

I really don't know, but I would imagine that a frenzy is whipped up. People in general are easily steared towards nationalist passion in Turkey... Tends to cool down fairly quickly though...

Has there been much tension between Syria and Turkey prior to this?

osoab

25th June 2012, 01:44 PM

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Turkey Claims Syria Fired On Second Turkish Jet, Says "Act Won't Go Unpunished", Has Invoked NATO Articles 4 And 5 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/turkey-claims-syria-fired-second-turkish-jet-says-act-wont-go-unpunished-has-invoked-nato-artic)

Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 06/25/2012 - 13:17 Reuters (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/reuters) Turkey (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/turkey)

At this point even those who have never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin know where this is headed:

SYRIAN ACT 'WON'T GO UNPUNISHED,' TURKEY'S ARINC SAYS
SYRIAN ACT 'HOSTILE,' 'COLD-BLOODED,' ARINC SAYS
SYRIA SHOT DOWN TURKISH JET WITHOUT WARNING, NULAND SAYS
TURKEY INVOKED ARTICLES 4 & 5 FOR NATO MEETING, ARINC SAYS
TURKEY TO PROCEED AGAINST SYRIA USING LEGAL RIGHTS, ARINC SAYS
TURKISH JET SHOT DOWN IN INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS

And yet:

TURKISH JET 'MISTAKENLY' ENTERED SYRIAN AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS
TURKISH JET WAS IN SYRIAN AIRSPACE ONLY 5 MINUTES, ARINC SAYS

Just the tip, eh?

Cebu_4_2

25th June 2012, 01:54 PM

osoab

25th June 2012, 01:56 PM

And the winner is.....

Hillary?

Blink

25th June 2012, 02:14 PM

And the winner is.....

The Gulf of Tonkin storyline...........

osoab

26th June 2012, 02:29 PM

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Turkey Mobilizing: Media Manipulation, Provocation Or Reality? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/turkey-mobilizing-media-manipulation-provocation-or-reality)

Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 06/26/2012 - 16:16 China (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139) Israel (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/israel) Reality (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/reality) Turkey

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In the aftermath of the recent escalation in tensions between Turkey and Syria, whereby Syria was accused of hostile behavior for firing and taking down a Turkish fighter jet that supposedly spent at least 5 minutes in its airspace, today was a quiet day. At least until recently we saw the following footage in a clip uploaded to YouTube. Supposedly, Turkey has sent troop reinforcement to the Syrian border, after Erdogan's warning that soldiers approaching the border will be treated as targets, the clip explains, citing Turkish daily Zaman reported citing the Cihan news agency. This is unverified, nor is the statement that 15 military vehicles, including tanks and cannons, were dispatched to the border from Diyarbakir.

We are skeptical of the validity of the above especially since earlier today Russia said that Tuesday's Syrian shooting down of a Turkish warplane should not be seen as a provocation and warned world powers against using the incident to push for stronger action against Damascus.

It was Moscow's first official reaction which made it quite clear that Russia will not just stand idly by awaiting for NATO to unilaterally take a decision to punish the middle eastern nation for daring to defend itself. But then again, this may be merely misreading Russia's resolve, in collaboration with China, to defend its own national strategic interests.

osoab

1st July 2012, 05:47 PM

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Turkey Scrambles F-16s On Syria Border As US Intelligence Says Syrian Story Was Correct All Along (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/turkey-scrambles-f-16s-syria-border-us-says-syrian-story-was-correct-all-along)

And finally the truth:

A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.

"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."

The Turkish official said the plane wasn't on a surveillance mission. "All NATO members have condemned the Syrian hostile act and have supported Turkey," the official said.

vacuum

1st July 2012, 05:57 PM