breaking: health care upheld

[chad]

that's it folks. they can now require you to buy anything. put a nail in it.

[k-os]

I don't buy it.











Litty and figgy.

[chad]

I don't buy it.








Litty and figgy.

a fine for you then.

[gunDriller]

a fine for you then.

i am still trying to figure out what the amount of the fine is, and how it is implemented.

hundreds of thousands of Americans have experienced first-hand that American health care is bad for your health - and your pocketbook.

this is comparable to the Supreme Court ruling that they have the right to penalize you if you don't smoke cigarettes - another product that people have experienced is bad for their health.

this ruling is a huge win for Judeo-Fascism. the Constitution was hanging by a thread - the Supreme Court just cut that thread.


this is the first solid reason to vote for Romney. he says that on his first day in office, he will repeal Obama-care.

[sirgonzo420]

I don't really give a fuck.

I ignore all the traitorous faggots in the District.

[jimswift]

he says that on his first day in office, he will repeal Obama-care.

How many times does one have to fall for that BS to realize they are being punked?

[PlatinumBlonde]

I don't really give a fuck.

I ignore all the traitorous faggots in the District.

Yeah me too.

I say we all take the day off on April 15, if you get my drift..

[Ares]

I don't really give a fuck.

I ignore all the traitorous faggots in the District.

Don't use their money, they can't tax you on the products it provides.

i.e. non-compliance, non-acceptance.

[sirgonzo420]

Yeah me too.

I say we all take the day off on April 15, if you get my drift..

LOL.

I've been taking off. Fuck 'em.

Ya can't get blood from a stone.

[mick silver]

we all knew this was going to happen . there no longer for the people of this country . i bet obmama is having a big party right now on the tax payer back . ps everyone i know that own a company WILL NOT be hiring people .

[gunDriller]

i'm still waking up, but this feels like the last nail in the coffin for the democratic experiment known as the USA.

that Obama sucks - and what will my response be to this un-Constitutional law ?

so i will go to the gym and go swimming, to clear my head. i think i will have the same conclusion -
that Obama sucks - and what will my response be to this un-Constitutional law ?

but at least i'll feel better after swimming. :)

[undgrd]

The Republic is dead. Long live the Republic.

[madfranks]

this is the first solid reason to vote for Romney. he says that on his first day in office, he will repeal Obama-care.

The president on his own doesn't have the authority to repeal any laws. Plus, like jimswift said:


How many times does one have to fall for that BS to realize they are being punked?

Romney is just another lying politician, he supported Obamacare until he saw how unpopular it was. As a matter of fact, he invented it first, Romneycare in his own state.

[PlatinumBlonde]

The Republic is dead.

I wish something else was dead..

[Xizang]

Panama, anyone?

[General of Darkness]

How the DNC is celebrating (Updated)

64 (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/how-the-dnc-is-celebrating-127543.html#)

Comments (85) (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/how-the-dnc-is-celebrating-127543.html#comments)

By MAGGIE HABERMAN (http://www.politico.com/reporters/MaggieHaberman.html) | 6/28/12 10:35 AM EDT
...the SCOTUS ruling (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77935.html), in three words, from executive director @patrickgaspard:

'it's constitutional. Bitches.'
Over to you, RNC...
UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me. In all seriousness, this is an important moment in improving the lives of all Americans."

[AndreaGail]

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

The individual mandate requires most Americans tomaintain “minimum essential” health insurance coverage.26 U. S. C. §5000A. The mandate does not apply to some individuals, such as prisoners and undocumented aliens.

[mick silver]

did millions call into their senators to not vote for the health care bill , were did that get us all . i wish i had book pictures for this day

[General of Darkness]

did millions call into their senators to not vote for the health care bill , were did that get us all . i wish i had book pictures for this day


How's this?

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001671293/181277729_america_dying_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

[PlatinumBlonde]

Okay so does that mean that barry can now tell us what to eat?

[jimswift]

The president on his own doesn't have the authority to repeal any laws.

I'm not sure this even the case anymore. He wasn't supposed to have the authority to just go to war either, kill American citizens etc...

The horse is out the barn y'all.

[Santa]

I'm not sure this even the case anymore. He wasn't supposed to have the authority to just go to war either, kill American citizens etc...

The horse is out the barn y'all.

To wake up one day and discover, "fuck, we're all prisoners of war."

Seriously, we ARE all prisoners of war, and we didn't even realize (with a very few exceptions) that war was being done TO us.

[madfranks]

Okay so does that mean that barry can now tell us what to eat?

No, that's Michelle's job, remember?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=417076.0;attach=45 9372;image

[General of Darkness]

Okay so does that mean that barry can now tell us what to eat?

Basically my guess is that this will create a shit load of jobs for affirmative action Leroys which will then have the power to fuck whitey.

[General of Darkness]

FYI - I just got an email from one of my customers that's one of the largest hospitals in So Cal.

He said, "Also, with the HealthCare ruling all of management are in a huddle and we’ll see the outcome. Hopefully, it won’t cost us jobs"

[EE_]

After all the time being here at gsus, for some reason I thought everyone believed a great collapse of society was coming?
If Obamacare was over-turned, would everything in the world be well again?

Maybe I'm the only one that believes the collapse is coming and none of this really matters.

[StreetsOfGold]

Headlines should read

"Supremes confirm they are bought and paid for"

[Sparky]

FYI - I just got an email from one of my customers that's one of the largest hospitals in So Cal.

He said, "Also, with the HealthCare ruling all of management are in a huddle and we’ll see the outcome. Hopefully, it won’t cost us jobs"

I'm guessing hospitals are very happy about this ruling.

[vacuum]

Headlines should read

"Supremes confirm they are bought and paid for"

They're probably right that it should be allowed to exist as a tax. However, the key thing is they should have struck it down since it wasn't a tax to force congress to actually write a bill that says it is a tax. It would have never made it through congress. I fail to see how congress can pass something and it "transforms" at the supreme court into something else. The court can either accept or reject what congress passed, they can't change it.

[Dogman]

I'm guessing hospitals are very happy about this ruling. For sure they are! Now I bet their accountants are figuring out how to pad their bills.

It is all about the money, How many here have not seen their local hospitals growing by leaps and bounds over the years?

Who is paying for most of it?

The government is the cash cow imo.

[EE_]

He said, "Also, with the HealthCare ruling all of management are in a huddle and we’ll see the outcome. Hopefully, it won’t cost us jobs"

Translation: "we don't give a rats ass about healthcare, this country or the people in it...as long as it doesn't fuck with our money" ?

[chad]

been listening to some radio shows going on 3 hours now. i think everyone is missing the big point of this. this isn't about health care at all.

the supreme court just ruled that the government doesn't have the authority to force you to buy things under the commerce clause. it can, however, force you to buy anything, and then levy a tax if you don't under taxing authority.

the government can now force you to buy anything ad levy unlimited taxes on you if you don't. people should be in the streets with pitchforks.

[beefsteak]

How SOON we forget, folks....how many corporations, unions, and agencies already have "exemptions for THEIR peeps" from being required to comply? ? ? ?

[optionT]

Im not suprised at all. The gov, et al, are not working in the interest of the people and havent for some decades now.

[Xizang]

How SOON we forget, folks....how many corporations, unions, and agencies already have "exemptions for THEIR peeps" from being required to comply? ? ? ?

I have read several times that the Obama gang made sure there were exemptions for muslims in the Obamacare law.

[Xizang]

"A President Mitt Romney would not undo ObamaCare. He’d make it permanent.
The Supreme Court Ruling on ObamaCare does not matter. It will make little difference to America in the short run, and no difference in the long run. Why? Because almost all elected Republicans and Democrats are Big Government politicians – in all things – including health care. "



http://adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/blogs.detail/display/1752/Libertarian-Party-on-health-law-ruling.html

[madfranks]

Watch for the costs of "basic" health insurance to skyrocket from here. Now that it's mandatory, they can charge you more money and there's nothing you can do about it.

[mick silver]

It the law now ......................... Just wait till more company leave this country

[PlatinumBlonde]

Watch for the costs of "basic" health insurance to skyrocket from here. Now that it's mandatory, they can charge you more money and there's nothing you can do about it.

Just like what happened when they made car insurance(liability) mandatory.

[PlatinumBlonde]

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution

"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts "

[Old Herb Lady]

Just like what happened when they made car insurance(liability) mandatory.


Some people drive around without any liability either then when they slam their dumasses in to you,
you get stuck with enormous bills if YOUR not covered for THEM.
Health insurance is for oneself , if somebody doesnt have it, then they must learn how to take care of themselves,
but when someone doesn't have liability car insurance , that is messing with somebody else's life.

[chad]

one thing is for sure, the collapse of the empire date just got moved up by years.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Some people drive around without any liability either then when they slam their dumasses in to you,
you get stuck with enormous bills if YOUR not covered for THEM.
Health insurance is for oneself , if somebody doesnt have it, then they must learn how to take care of themselves,
but when someone doesn't have liability car insurance , that is messing with somebody else's life.

Oh I've been to that rodeo. Someone ran into me and they had no insurance..

[sirgonzo420]

been listening to some radio shows going on 3 hours now. i think everyone is missing the big point of this. this isn't about health care at all.

the supreme court just ruled that the government doesn't have the authority to force you to buy things under the commerce clause. it can, however, force you to buy anything, and then levy a tax if you don't under taxing authority.

the government can now force you to buy anything ad levy unlimited taxes on you if you don't. people should be in the streets with pitchforks.

They shoulda been in the street with pitchforks a long fucking time ago.



But better late than never.

[mick silver]

wake me when there a tar party with ex feathers

[gunDriller]

wake me when there a tar party with ex feathers

does Joe Stack count ?

[iOWNme]

Here's the REAL criminality:

Elena Kagan literally helped argue for the Feds to be able to force Healthcare on the people. Then Obama appointed her to the US Supreme Court, and now she has ruled in favor of her own work!!!! Conflict of Interest? Not for your interest it isnt......

HOLY FUCK!!!!!

This is what it was like to live in the Soviet Union.

[Gaillo]

does Joe Stack count ?

Apparently not.

[gunDriller]

Wow, i might be able to start surfing again.

i was holding off because i can't afford the cost of a major wipe-out or shark attack. it's $10,000 + for the helicopter ride to the hospital.

waking up missing a leg is one thing. waking up missing a leg and owing $100,000 is another.

but hey, if the government is going to pay for it ... i just have to pay a few $thousand a year in premiums, and survive the shark attack.


on the other hand, that doesn't sound so good.

Obamacare = Shark Attack. the human kind of shark. much worse than the fishy kind.

[osoab]

Watch for the costs of "basic" health insurance to skyrocket from here. Now that it's mandatory, they can charge you more money and there's nothing you can do about it.

I asked the boss this morning if he had heard anything from our ins co about obummer care effects. He didn't know, but he did know that they raised our rates by 23% for the new year.

[osoab]

been listening to some radio shows going on 3 hours now. i think everyone is missing the big point of this. this isn't about health care at all.

the supreme court just ruled that the government doesn't have the authority to force you to buy things under the commerce clause. it can, however, force you to buy anything, and then levy a tax if you don't under taxing authority.

the government can now force you to buy anything ad levy unlimited taxes on you if you don't. people should be in the streets with pitchforks.


Great point.

Something to read.


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Americans are either celebrating or damning the Supreme Court’s 5-4 ruling that the individual mandate is constitutional. It is puzzling that the individual mandate to purchase healthcare might be deemed unconstitutional when the collective mandate to collect taxes to purchase next-to-everything (including both healthcare and broccoli) has been considered constitutional for the best part of a century. If America wants to overturn current legal norms America needs to elect different politicians. But with a greater and greater welfare-bound population, it seems inevitable that more and more Americans will vote themselves greater and greater quantities of free stuff. What’s stopping Congress from mandating that patriotic Americans with any spare cash dump it into government securities (or even flagging equities)?

With such a humungous load, it will take a lot of (shall we say) financial engineering to keep borrowing costs low.
The purchase of treasury securities is of course something Japan already mandates of financial institutions. Sure — the Fed and the primary dealers can do a lot of the heavy lifting — but what’s stopping Congress from mandating that patriotic Americans with any spare cash dump it into government securities (or even flagging equities)?

One day, Atlas may shrug. Until that day, Congress just acquired a powerful new funding tool.



Hear those 100yr Treasury notes in the background?

[chad]

Wow, i might be able to start surfing again.

i was holding off because i can't afford the cost of a major wipe-out or shark attack. it's $10,000 + for the helicopter ride to the hospital.

waking up missing a leg is one thing. waking up missing a leg and owing $100,000 is another.

but hey, if the government is going to pay for it ... i just have to pay a few $thousand a year in premiums, and survive the shark attack.


on the other hand, that doesn't sound so good.

Obamacare = Shark Attack. the human kind of shark. much worse than the fishy kind.

dude, best part is you can buy it after the shark attack, as you can't be denied for a pre-exisiting condition now. so, just go do whatever you want, then only buy it if something bad happens. nothing to worry about!

[madfranks]

one thing is for sure, the collapse of the empire date just got moved up by years.

So instead of DOOOM always being 6 months away, it's now permanently 3 months away.

[chad]

So instead of DOOOM always being 6 months away, it's now permanently 3 months away.

4 months. i firmly believe something is going to happen in october right before the election. something huge that will impact things in ways we can't imagine.

[osoab]

4 months. i firmly believe something is going to happen in october right before the election. something huge that will impact things in ways we can't imagine.

bad harvest numbers would be rolling in or almost completed by that time.

[chad]

that, or i'm thinking some sort of huge false flag attack with racial implications woven in to it. civil war along race lines. all i see is race agitation everyday now in almost every news story.

[Dogman]

4 months. i firmly believe something is going to happen in october right before the election. something huge that will impact things in ways we can't imagine.


bad harvest numbers would be rolling in or almost completed by that time.

Actually chad could be right. Stepping back and looking at the mess now, and the ways things are developing, something big happening in that time frame would be perfect. Hell in some ways the big fires out west , some are hinting that something/one is behind them.

Anymore I would not be surprised if something very big went down in that time frame, and more so, the closer we get to the elections.

[mick silver]

to me i think we may see some very bad news come out about food . i have never had to water my garden at this time of year . i am glad i have tanks holding over 30 t gallon of water

[old steel]

I was going to ask if this was a good time to buy another firearm or two but it's a no brainer, it's always a good time to buy another gun.

[sirgonzo420]

I was going to ask if this was a good time to buy another firearm or two but it's a no brainer, it's always a good time to buy another gun.

I know that it's not as fun to buy, but it's an even better time to buy ammo.

[Horn]

All is lost, the U.S. Constitution is kaput!!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0163034ded58970d-600wi

[PlatinumBlonde]

Watch for the costs of "basic" health insurance to skyrocket from here. Now that it's mandatory, they can charge you more money and there's nothing you can do about it.

Most people I've spoken with labor under the delusion that this means it will be affordable. It won't be and I cannot wait to tell them I told you so..

[osoab]

Most people I've spoken with labor under the delusion that this means it will be affordable. It won't be and I cannot wait to tell them I told you so..


It's the quality and availability I am more concerned about.

[Horn]

Most people I've spoken with labor under the delusion that this means it will be affordable. It won't be and I cannot wait to tell them I told you so..

Healthcare is the only thing that has kept up as normally inflationary within the past few decades. (quality wise)

The bankers dream is that it pulls everything else up with it.

They are delusional.

[Large Sarge]

govt healthcare is population control

[osoab]

that, or i'm thinking some sort of huge false flag attack with racial implications woven in to it. civil war along race lines. all i see is race agitation everyday now in almost every news story.

I'm think the harvest is the kicker. Combining a food shortage with whatever "surprise" that occurs will give maximum effect. Empty tummies will get the proles in line quick.

[PlatinumBlonde]

govt healthcare is population control

Yes it's about the control, never about seeing to folks getting health care when they didn't have access to it. If they really wanted to help the people out they could have just tweeked the Medicare program already in existence..

[joboo]

People 70 and over will not be treated under Obamacare....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0wsnHGI5K-E#!

[Blink]

And if you want (have) to be covered by Obamacare, then you better be in the lineup for vaccinations/flu shots...........

[chad]

i've read portions of it. sarah palin's death panels are specifically laid out.

[old steel]

I know that it's not as fun to buy, but it's an even better time to buy ammo.

Of course you are quite correct sir, thanx for the reminder.

[chad]

Of course you are quite correct sir, thanx for the reminder.

everytime i go to any type of store that sells ammo, i make it a rule that i have to buy a 50 round box of .22LR. i started this in 2008.

last count of the "rule closet" had me with 287 boxes, all purchased at less than $2.50 at a time. you really don't miss the $2.50, but you'll love the ammo.

i switched from .22 last month, now i'm alternating between 9mm and 7.62 X .39.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I was hoping they were going to strike it down but deep down inside I knew they weren't.

Get in line for your death panel. There's only so many life saving drugs to go around.

[milehi]

People 70 and over will not be treated under Obamacare....

I work in the orthopedic OR and people from countries with social medicine come here and pay out of pocket for joint replacement not because of the long wait list, but because there is no list because of their age.

Fuck this place. The Tree of Liberty needs a good soaking.

[osoab]

I was looking for a pic and ran across this. Can anyone validate these claims?


(http://www.cheeseslave.com/avoid-doctors-live-longer/)Avoid Doctors, Live Longer (http://www.cheeseslave.com/avoid-doctors-live-longer/)



Back in 1973, Israeli doctors went on strike for 4 weeks and deaths fell by 50% in that month.

The same happened in Los Angeles in 1976, which saw an 18% decline in deaths during industrial action by doctors. When the strike ended and the medical machine started grinding back into action, the death rate returned to usual levels.

The same thing in Bogota in 1972. Doctors withdrew all treatments apart from emergency care. And guess what?
The mortality rate went down by 35%.

It would therefore appear that the more we can avoid medical intervention in our lives, the more chance we have of living longer and healthier.

As Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, the renowned Chicago MD put it, as far back as 1979: “If doctors reduced their involvement with people and only attended emergencies, there’s no doubt in my mind that we’d be better off.”


Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article981.html

[osoab]

pdf of the ruling.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

This is from the beginning of the dissenting opinion. At the bottom of page 128.




The case is easy and straightforward, however, in another respect. What is absolutely clear, affirmed by the text of the 1789 Constitution, by the Tenth Amendment ratified in 1791, and by innumerable cases of ours in the 220 years since, is that there are structural limits upon federal power—upon what it can prescribe with respect to private conduct, and upon what it can impose upon the sovereign States. Whatever may be the conceptual limits upon the Commerce Clause and upon the power to taxand spend, they cannot be such as will enable the Federal Government to regulate all private conduct and to compel the States to function as administrators of federal programs.

That clear principle carries the day here. The striking case of Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U. S. 111 (1942), which held that the economic activity of growing wheat, even for one’s own consumption, affected commerce sufficiently that it could be regulated, always has been regarded as
the ne plus ultra of expansive Commerce Clause jurisprudence. To go beyond that, and to say the failure to grow wheat (which is not an economic activity, or any activity at all) nonetheless affects commerce and therefore can be federally regulated, is to make mere breathing in and out the basis for federal prescription and to extend federal power to virtually all human activity

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2sKH8yjVsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2sKH8yjVsM

[Old Herb Lady]

I was looking for a pic and ran across this. Can anyone validate these claims?


(http://www.cheeseslave.com/avoid-doctors-live-longer/)Avoid Doctors, Live Longer (http://www.cheeseslave.com/avoid-doctors-live-longer/)

Yes ! I learned in school that America was at its peak healthiest during WW2....the doctors were all overseas.....
dairy & sugar was rationed (they used alot of honey, maple syrup & molasses).....everybody had a victory garden,
meat, poultry, fish was rationed...... people were living mainly on fruits on veggies.....people had to cook from scratch.......herbs and spices used more to flavor food and .....
medical care was rationed and people had to learn how to take care of themselves & their families.

When you're forced to live like this, you get healthier.


Doctors of the future won't be medicating people.....they wont be "doctors', they'll be educators.
The educator puts the person/patient in charge of healing themselves. (patient heal thyself)

[madfranks]

And if you want (have) to be covered by Obamacare, then you better be in the lineup for vaccinations/flu shots...........

Jeez, I didn't even think about that. Behind in your scheduled injections? No treatment for you! Why should society be burdened with taking care of some so selfish that they don't vaccinate themselves?

[Korbin Dallas]

After all the time being here at gsus, for some reason I thought everyone believed a great collapse of society was coming?
If Obamacare was over-turned, would everything in the world be well again?

Maybe I'm the only one that believes the collapse is coming and none of this really matters.

My sentiments exactly. I had to listen to people whine about this all day at the office, I kept thinking, just another nail in the coffin.

[osoab]

I would like mamboni's take on this. Guessing he is disgusted. Just wanted to know what cuts have already been planned at his work due to obummer care.

[gunDriller]

5 Supreme Court justices couldn't remember to include a Law (of the Land) called the US Constitution in their deliberations.

[jimswift]

Yes ! I learned in school that America was at its peak healthiest during WW2....the doctors were all overseas.....
dairy & sugar was rationed (they used alot of honey, maple syrup & molasses).....everybody had a victory garden,
meat, poultry, fish was rationed...... people were living mainly on fruits on veggies.....people had to cook from scratch.......herbs and spices used more to flavor food and .....
medical care was rationed and people had to learn how to take care of themselves & their families.

When you're forced to live like this, you get healthier.


Doctors of the future won't be medicating people.....they wont be "doctors', they'll be educators.
The educator puts the person/patient in charge of healing themselves. (patient heal thyself)


Think I read that the US Gov was issuing the citizenry barley supplements during this time too.

[osoab]

Denninger on obummer care. obummer care is the topic of the first 15 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgdIzdNnhD8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgdIzdNnhD8&feature=player_embedded

I have seen others argue one of his points. Basically drop your health insurance and pay the tax, it's up to 2250 frns or something like that.

If you get sick, go get the insurance then, you cannot be denied for a pre-existing condition now.

I think this is the quickest way to bring down the whole shebang. Bankrupt it faster. Anyone thinking about this strategy?

[osoab]

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2011/07/obamacare-waivers-list-is-up-to-1471.html

link to a list of obummer care waivers. This is through July 2011. This is about the latest compiled list that I am finding.

[EE_]

I have a few questions about this...maybe a resident doctor here can shed some light?

1. Will doctors really leave their medical practice, or is it just an idle threat by angry doctors just venting? I don't believe doctors that have spent their lives setting up a practice will just quit. BS on that.
2. What will doctors do if they quit practicing medicine in the US...become auto mechanics or just move their families to a third world shithole to practice?
3. Are most doctors well off enough to just quit, sit on their asses, still be able to support their families and send their kids to the best colleges?
4. What is to prevent doctors from moving to a barter system where they will accept cash, gold and silver from patients, (above Obamacare) to give preferential treatment, while many are lined up for standard Obamacare by the doctors that remain in the system?
Who wouldn't throw the doc some cash to avoid standing in line to get poor quality rationed service?

Doctors against Obamacare
Leavenworth, Kan. — Byron Maduska
http://www.leavenworthtimes.com/opinions/letters_to_the_editor/x285935825/Letter-Doctors-against-Obamacare

A new survey of Doctors has been released. The results are bleak.
If Obamacare is fully implemented, 83 percent will consider leaving the practice of medicine. Sixty-one percent say it's an affront to their ethics. Eighty-five percent say it destroys the doctor-patient relationship. Sixty-five percent say governmental involvement is the cause of the problems in medical care now. Seventy-two percent say the insurance mandate won't result in improved access to medical care. Seventy-four percent say they'll stop accepting Medicare patients, or leave Medicare altogether. Seventy percent say reducing governmental involvement would be the single best fix for healthcare in this country. The negatives of Obamacare went on and on in the results of the survey.

Repeal of Obamacare is imperative for the protection of our medical care in this country. When the people most vital to our healthcare are considering leaving the profession something is terribly broken.

[mick silver]

i too would like to hear what mamboni thinks about this also . what it means for us all

[Osiris]

Doctors against Obamacare
Leavenworth, Kan. — Byron Maduska
http://www.leavenworthtimes.com/opinions/letters_to_the_editor/x285935825/Letter-Doctors-against-Obamacare



Repeal of Obamacare is imperative for the protection of our medical care in this country. When the people most vital to our healthcare are considering leaving the profession something is terribly broken.

And then this (from the article)
Yet the Democrats say we must knuckle under to it and all its hideous ramifications. We must show them we won't – at the ballot box in November.

:rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

I found this interesting about the outlook coming forward:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psSeMA8fjyw

[JDRock]

Washington had his benedict arnold and Christ, his Judas.......we should have expected robertstein to follow suit.

[iOWNme]

You are now a 'Freeloader' if you refuse Satanic Eugenics based medicine from a medical system that CANNOT cure anything, treats symptoms and practices pharmaceutical reductionistic medicine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixRRuzmxzTg&feature=g-trend

[vacuum]

Washington had his benedict arnold and Christ, his Judas.......we should have expected robertstein to follow suit.
Obviously someone's got deep hooks into this guy. In the end the other conservative justice's totally ignored him...they weren't on talking terms
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/

I wonder what it is that allows them to be so precisely controlled.

[Down1]

Our Controllers must be very worried about people starting to look outside the "system" for answers.
I noticed a couple Zio-con op-ed pieces today about how this was an OK ruling.

Warning: Do not click on links right after eating a meal.

George Will: Conservatives won Obamacare decision
http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20120630/OPINION01/206300336/George-Will-Conservatives-won-Obamacare-decision


Krauthammer: Roberts opinion shows 'ultimate finesse'
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/krauthammer-roberts-opinion-shows-ultimate-finesse-127700.html

[PatColo]

from Rosa Koire, anti-Agenda-21 activist (http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com),


TAX OR PENALTY? OBAMACARE AND AGENDA 21--INVENTORY & CONTROL (http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/1/post/2012/07/tax-or-penalty-obamacare-and-agenda-21-inventory-control.html)

07/01/2012
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Now that the IRS will be the watchdog collecting the tax/penalty, those Americans who either don't go to traditional medicine doctors, or pay as they go, will be paying for something that they don't use , don't need, and don't want.

Everyone will be in the system. Inventory and control. You will be forced into a healthcare system that you may not wish to be a part of, or will pay a 'tax.' No one knew this would be a tax but now, in the old switcheroo, we have a penalty morphing into a tax.

Your income level will be examined. Your finances will be examined. Your life will be open to bureaucratic review. This so-called tax will not be appealable. This punishment, this penalty, will not be open to challenge. People who didn't make enough money to file income tax, who were flying under the radar, now will have to file simply to avoid the tax. See? Data collection. No one slips under the line. Inventory. And. Control.

The Internal Revenue Service, the most feared and hated of all federal agencies, with the power to jail us and confiscate our assets will be in control. Of your healthcare decisions.

[JohnQPublic]

Report: IRS hiring approximately 4,000 agents (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1539759941001/report-irs-hiring-approximately-4000-agents/)

[PlatinumBlonde]

The Internal Revenue Service, the most feared and hated of all federal agencies, with the power to jail us and confiscate our assets will be in control. Of your healthcare decisions.

Staffed by corrupt, incompetent and white hating minorities..

[JDRock]

either ;
A. they were too stupid to understand the wording and original intent of the constitutuion....in which case they should be hurled down the courthouse steps....
OR
B. they are NOT stupid and knew EXACTLY what they were doing...in which case there is proof of a conspiracy among the highest levels of government including the chief justice...

[PlatinumBlonde]

They knew what they were doing.

This cr%p I see about Roberts doing Kubuki theatre is just that, cr%p..

[palani]

Romney and Obama agree: Health care law’s individual mandate is not a tax

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-obama-agree-health-care-individual-mandate-not-154845339.html


Romney strategist Eric Fehrnstrom confirmed Monday that Romney disagreed with Roberts' decision to consider the individual mandate a tax, despite the fact that Republican groups and members of Congress are already running ads criticizing Obama for raising taxes through the health care law.

While pushing for the law before it was passed, Obama insisted that it was a penalty, not a tax. But during oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court in March, his solicitor general was sent to argue that it was a tax

Obamacare is neither a tax nor a penalty. It can be identified instead as a BILL OF PAINS AND PUNISHMENT. This is a form of a BILL OF ATTAINDER. Both forms are prohibited by the constitution. The reason these are prohibited is they violate the separation of powers.

[osoab]

A new twist on the ruling.

What the Supreme Court Obamacare Ruling Means for the Drinking Age (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/29/what-the-supreme-court-obamacare-ruling-means-for-the-drinking-age.html?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline)



The Supreme Court justices’ stance on President Obama’s Medicaid expansion provision could be good news for states that want to lower their drinking ages from the federally mandated 21. Caitlin Dickson on the repercussions.

The Supreme Court may have upheld the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate (http://www.thedailybeast.com/features/health-care-reform-s-supreme-court-showdown.html), but it struck down part of President Obama’s Medicaid expansion. The latter move has gotten less attention but could create some big political changes, including paving the way for states to lower their drinking ages.

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Seeking to make more people eligible for Medicaid (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/you-can-t-fix-medicaid-by-making-it-bigger.html), Obamacare gives states two options: take more money from the federal government to put more people on Medicaid; or lose the federal funding they were already getting for the low-income health-care program. The Supreme Court ruled that threatening to take away a state’s Medicaid funding unless the state does what the federal government wants is “unconstitutionally coercive” and declared it invalid.

Because any given part of a Supreme Court decision can set a precedent for future laws and can even invalidate
an established law if it is challenged using the Supreme Court’s new argument, the Medicaid decision could affect the National Minimum Drinking Age Act (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/23/158).
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In 1984 Congress passed the law that made it illegal for anyone in the United States under the age of 21 to purchase or publicly possess alcohol. While drinking laws are and always have been a states issue, the federal government was able to enforce the minimum age by making it a part of the Federal Aid Highway Act (PDF (http://epw.senate.gov/title23.pdf)). So for 28 years, states have been compelled to keep the minimum legal drinking age at 21 or face losing their federal highway funding.

In 1987 the state of South Dakota, which permitted the sale of beer containing up to 3.2 percent alcohol to 19-year-olds, challenged the law (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=483&invol=203). The case went to the Supreme Court, which decided that it was constitutional for Congress to use the threat of financial penalty to get states to do something, such as enforce a drinking age minimum, as long as the condition under which the penalty is imposed is unambiguous, promotes the “general welfare,” relates to “the federal interest in particular to projects or programs,” and fits within the lines drawn out by the 10th Amendment—which defers all powers to states that are not granted to federal government or prohibited by the Constitution.

The highway funding threat is how the U.S. government has been able to effectively enforce a national minimum drinking age for nearly 30 years. But on Thursday the Supreme Court declared that withholding money from states as a punishment for not doing what the federal government wants is unconstitutional. Federal aides and lawmakers immediately voiced concern (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/78002_Page3.html) that the new stance could reignite such fights as the drinking-age battle, not to mention No Child Left Behind (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/the-most-important-part-of-todays-health-care-ruling-you-havent-heard-about/259134/#), which also withholds funds from noncompliant states. If a case like the one South Dakota pursued against the drinking age act in 1987 were pursued now, using the health-care decision as precedent, the outcome might be different.