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beefsteak
6th July 2012, 12:58 PM
Roll-your-own cigarette stores going up in smoke

BY EMILY MORRIS Staff Reporter July 4, 2012 4:38PM
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Updated: July 5, 2012 10:06AM


For smokers who bargained on roll-your-own cigarette stores for cheap smokes, it looks like those days are numbered.

On Friday, President Barack Obama [HAS SIGNED as of 3PM EDT] into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.

The move comes a month after Illinois increased taxes on such roll-your-own machine-made cigarettes.

Marcia Smith, 47, of Lake County, decided after the state tax increase that she should move her Smokes & Such tobacco shops in Skokie and Gurnee to Wisconsin, where taxes on rolled cigarettes are lower.

If Obama signs the law, she said she’ll shut her doors.

The machines, which cost about $33,000 each, allow customers to pick their own tobacco and pour it into a device that can roll the tobacco into a carton, or about 200 cigarettes, within minutes.

Since 2009, RYO stores have been selling cigarettes with far lower taxes than packaged cigarettes.

Why?

In 2009, Congress more than doubled the federal excise tax on cigarettes, and, to bring RYO tobacco in line with packaged smokes, raised the tax on RYO tobacco from $1.10 a pound to $24.78 a pound. Yet it raised the tax on pipe tobacco by a far smaller amount — from $1.10 to $2.83 a pound.

And RYO stores popped up across the country.

Since the 2009 tax increases, Congress’ Government Accountability Office says RYO tobacco sales have fallen 74 percent while pipe tobacco sales have exploded, jumping from 3.2 million pounds to 30.5 million pounds a year, according to government reports.

The GAO concluded the increase was due to consumers switching to pipe tobacco for their machine rolled cigarettes and not to a sudden jump in pipe smoking.

The GAO found that a carton of RYO cigarettes cost half as much, or even less, than a carton of discount cigarettes at a store because of the lower taxes.

State and local governments have been trying to close the loophole as well, with Cook County raising taxes on RYO cigs in March and Illinois increasing the taxes on them last month, when the state sharply raised taxes on all tobacco products to help fund Medicaid. Starting Aug. 1, cigarettes made by RYO machines in Illinois stores will be taxed the same amount as company-manufactured cigarettes, and retail owners of the machines have to get a machine-operator license.

“It doesn’t matter where the cigarettes were rolled,” said Susan Hofer, spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Revenue. “It matters that you walk out of the store with a pack of cigarettes.”

There are 60 RYO machines in the state, the department estimates. Noel Valenti, 43, of DuPage County, owns six of them.

Valenti opened three Cig tobacco stores about a year ago to supplement his work as an independent construction contractor. He operated two stores in Chicago and one in Worth but closed down one of his stores and moved two shortly before Cook County raised RYO taxes. Now, the issue has followed him out to the suburbs, where he lives and co-owns stores in west suburban Westmont in DuPage County and Mokena in Will County.

“They’re basically making us follow the same regulations as big tobacco,” Valenti said, “But [we can’t] reap the same rewards.” Valenti calls it a “killing” of small businesses and said closing his stores means his 21 employees lose their jobs.

He maintains that the new regulations make it incredibly difficult to continue operating the RYO machines, particularly the requirement to obtain a manufacturer’s license.

Valenti and Smith said they offer pipe tobacco to give their customers more choices.

Smith, who got into the business two years ago after quitting her job at a screen-printing business, owns three RYO machines.

She calls the law “un-American.” Smith argues that things aren’t equal for the small stores that can’t compete with larger tobacco companies. “It’s quite clear that this is politicians and big tobacco working against small businesses,” Smith said.

It’s true the Altria-owned tobacco giant Philip Morris USA has been a strong backer of the federal legislation.

“They are cigarette manufacturers,” David Sutton, a Philip Morris spokesman, said. “And [they] should make tax payments, be regulated by the FDA and make state settlement payments just like other cigarette manufacturers.”

Valenti said if the federal bill becomes law, as expected, customers will go online or even cross state boundaries where taxes are cheaper in order to get their fix.

And what if the bill isn’t signed into law? [MOOT NOW]

“I will go open up five or six [RYO] stores on the border of Illinois and Indiana,” Valenti said. “I’ll set up buses to transport” customers.”

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This news doesn't impact me nor Helen, but might consternate other GS'ers.

How many cigs in a Pound? Anyone weigh their smokes?

Anyone here grow their own smoke/pipe tobacco?


beefsteak

drafter
6th July 2012, 03:37 PM
I remember when they changed the tax on tobacco, I bought lbs of pipe tobacco for fear it would be next. I don't smoke my pipe often, but I'm not going to pay rediculous taxes to do so either, so I essentially went ahead and bought for me what will be a lifetime supply. Damn I hate politicians.

beefsteak
6th July 2012, 04:49 PM
Understood, drafter. Thanks for your reply.

I've often asked myself what preppers would do if they ran out of smokes, and faced tough choices re: other necessities or their smoking habits. Sounds like you planned ahead.

I've also wondered if non-smokers stashed smokes against the day they would be used as barter material much like the prison system movies have glorified.


beefsteak

chad
6th July 2012, 04:58 PM
further proof that smoking is not evil, but paying less in taxes is.

drafter
6th July 2012, 05:03 PM
I definitely wouldn't make buying tabacco a priority for anyone if they haven't already taken care of the neccessities first, but in tough times I still think it will be nice to relax on the porch with my pipe. I do think having an "addiction" to anything is a really bad thing and needs to be addressed because you never know when you'll have to go "cold turkey", and in the middle of a stressful situation isn't the time.

As for storing cigarettes, not sure what the shelf life is on those since they're naturally pretty dry i do believe (I only rarely smoke my pipe or have a cigar). I know pipe tobacco and cigars keep pretty well if you store them in the proper environment which is pretty easy where I live.

Libertytree
6th July 2012, 06:40 PM
Alot of the RYO joints are scams within themselves, at least here in my neck of the woods.

A manual hand machine, tubes and tobacco are all you need to make a pack for about 1.25 or less, or about 12.50 per carton. The RYO places want you to think that $30.00 per carton is a great deal, vs the $50+ retail. They charge $6 for tubes there that I can buy for $2.75 online and 1lb bags of tobacco for $30 that I get for $13.

I suppose its just a matter of time before they come after the "pipe" tobacco lbs and tubes but as of right now I'm pretty content rolling my own with a lil machine by hand. I can roll a pack or two of smokes in the time it takes someone to go to the store and back....and never leave the farm.

Tobacco is very easily grown in most places in the country, even in FL, though not on the coast, inland is great with the right plants.

LuckyStrike
6th July 2012, 09:39 PM
Time to load up on RJR, PM and MO?

Mouse
6th July 2012, 11:35 PM
They pulled the tax in 2008 or 2009 that was the killer. This is just a local tax for stupid people that live in a stupid state. You can roll your own even after paying the taxes for about 12 a carton. It's just a matter of labor. I have my stash for when I dont want to go out for a pack, or when the mud gets flying.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
7th July 2012, 03:26 AM
Artificial Inflation

Olmstein
7th July 2012, 08:10 PM
RYO store down the street still open today. I buy my smokes from the "merciless indian savages"* at $4 per pack.



*Direct quote from the Declaration of Independence.

Horn
8th July 2012, 07:42 AM
If it wasn't for drinkers & smokers the Federal Government wouldn't exist.

Ps. I'm a smoker, sorry.

gunDriller
8th July 2012, 08:04 AM
Tobacco is very easily grown in most places in the country, even in FL, though not on the coast, inland is great with the right plants.

seeds aren't that hard to get.

http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco_seeds.html

http://www.amazon.com/HAVANA-GOLD-TOBACCO-SEEDS-1064/dp/B005JPO29Q

1000 seeds for $3 inc shipping.

someone gave me some once. they were small, like poppy seeds. another plant the US government spends considerable energy regulating.