How many of us might be considered "Dealers"?

[Xizang]

Many people buy gold or silver when prices are low, and sometimes sell or trade when spot prices are up. So a private individual who routinely buys and sometimes sells, might be considered a 'dealer' - especially by a revenue-hungry city or state.

The penalties are extreme.


http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/secondhandDealer.cfm

[Mouse]

I guess they see an opportunity in scamming the growing non-cash underground market that is to overtake the "fake" market in short time. Madison is chock full of students and libtards that teach them, and bureaucrats that regulate the whole fucking shit hole. They should start their own country.

[LuckyStrike]

How many of us might be considered "dealers"?


You ask a lot of personal questions for someone who joined less than a month ago.

I have one for you, what was your last screen name here?

[Blink]

What I don't understand is that gold/silver is a hedge against currency devaluation. So, if it goes up in "value", that is only because the dollar has "lost value". Then the increase in pm's isn't really a "profit" but a securing/safeguard of value. So, why do we get taxed on it? Kinda f*cked in my mind............

[Twisted Titan]

Its not effed......but designed that way so that the parasitic sociopaths can take from those who prepared

[madfranks]

You ask a lot of personal questions for someone who joined less than a month ago.

I have one for you, what was your last screen name here?

I would advise all members to avoid answering questions like this, especially ones that imply anything that could be used to assign a title such as "second hand dealer" with the associated "severe penalties". Most of us here are savvy enough not to ask questions like this. Am I paranoid? Sure, but that doesn't mean they're really not out there... ;)

[palani]

This new law requires that secondhand dealers, including secondhand jewelry dealers and pawnbrokers report the purchase of secondhand goods, on a daily basis, through the use of a web-based software called Leads Online.

Use of the word "include" is used in the legal sense to exclude anything not listed. Therefore secondhand dealers are ONLY secondhand jewelry dealers and pawnbrokers.

Too many people ASSUME that the words used actually mean what they say they mean. Instead construe these words by the definitions provided and, if they apply, act accordingly.

Expressio unius est exclusio alterius. The expression of one thing is the exclusion of another.

[chad]

madison wisconsin is insane. they banned drive-through windows on any new construction projects last year because idling cars add to global warming.

[Xizang]

Some of you guys are pretty funny. You remind me of that old movie with the famous line, "I know who you are, and I saw what you did" - with the result of paranoid (guilty?) people going ballistic. Funny as hell.

Me? I couldn't care less who you really are or where you actually live. Let alone what the fuck you do. Just a conversation-starter. And boy, some of you go insane! You're too funny.

(PS: I'm still on my first screen name here. How many have YOU had?)

[Xizang]

Lots of people have developed their hobbies to the point where they make some money. I know of a couple guys who buy old cars, fix them up and resell them for a profit. If they do more than X number of cars a year, they're technically dealers. So the way they do it is leave the titles open - they never have the cars in their name. Or if they have to put in a name, it may be the wife, one of their kids, a neighbor or friend... You get the picture.

I know a Ham radio operator who likes to mess around with special circuits. He builds some little antenna attenuators and sells them to other Ham enthusiasts, as a side business. I have a lady friend who has a sewing machine that does embroidery, and she does special jackets and such for the local high school athletic teams. Some people breed horses or tropical fish. You name it. One thing we all have in common: The government has become a predator, and we're all just red meat to them. So stay below the radar, or outside the jurisdictions of those who would shake you down.

[LuckyStrike]

(PS: I'm still on my first screen name here. How many have YOU had?)

I've had 3, and I've asked the mods to change it each time so no sock puppets here.

No way in hell you are not a sock puppet of someone, and since sock puppets are against the rules I put forward the motion that you be banned, all in favor say "aye" all opposed say "nay"

[Xizang]

Nay, and screw you.

[beefsteak]

Aye!

[beefsteak]

Lovely day in the neighborhood.

[willie pete]

aye

[mick silver]

aye ............. your out of here banned for f life

[LuckyStrike]

Nay, and screw you.

Well the Ayes have it, not to mention this is a personal attack soooo things aren't looking good for you.

[Skirnir_]

I do not offer a vote because the rules do not provide for a vote; this matter is at the discretion of JQP & Co.

The burden of proof lies upon the claimant; LuckyStrike has merely offered speculation to support his position. This farce of his may yet be considered a personal attack, and I advise Lucky that luck is the residue of design.

The only to conclusively determine who is a sockpuppet of whom is for an administrator to compare IP addresses. Posting from the same IP address within a short period of time on two accounts would indicate that they belong to the same user. As mundane users do not have access to IP data, none of us can make this determination.

[osoab]

I've had 3, and I've asked the mods to change it each time so no sock puppets here.

No way in hell you are not a sock puppet of someone, and since sock puppets are against the rules I put forward the motion that you be banned, all in favor say "aye" all opposed say "nay"


nay. No one has proved the case. All on your assumption. Until the guy outs himself, then all allegations are a personal attack.

[LuckyStrike]

I do not offer a vote because the rules do not provide for a vote; this matter is at the discretion of JQP & Co.

The burden of proof lies upon the claimant, LuckyStrike has merely offered speculation to support his position. This farce of his may yet be considered a personal attack, and I advise Lucky that luck is the residue of design.

The only to conclusively determine who is a sockpuppet of whom is for an administrator to compare IP addresses. Posting from the same IP address within a short period of time on two accounts would indicate that they belong to the same user. As mundane users do not have access to IP data, none of us can make this determination.

LOL, funny you should pipe up which brings us to our second order of business.

I make a motion that Fenris should also be banned because sock puppets are against site rules. All in favor say "aye" all opposed say "no"

[Skirnir_]

LOL, funny you should pipe up which brings us to our second order of business.

I make a motion that Fenris should also be banned because sock puppets are against site rules. All in favor say "aye" all opposed say "no"

I again offer no vote because the rules do not provide for one etc. etc.; see my earlier post.

Would you be so kind as to cite the rule you allege I have violated?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23872-**-The-Forum-Rules-From-the-Forum-Owner-**


Rule #1 - Be respectful to everyone on the board. No flaming, bashing, or baiting or attacking each other. Keep conversation on an intelligent level. If you get very angry, please sign off for a little while and think about it.

Rule #2 - No spamming, or porn. Informational linking and posting is fine. Moderators will determine where to draw the line.

Rule #3 - Stay on topic. If you want to ramble, please go to the lounge.

Rule #4 - Do not use this board for any illegal purposes. Do not endanger individuals. Vicious threats of violence will not be tolerated, whether against forum members or public figures/groups.

Rule #5 - Moderators will interpret these rules. Moderators will try to be fair.

Rule #6 - Respect the privacy of PM (private messaging).

Rule #7 - Do not reveal personal information about members, including moderators.


Nothing about sock-puppets, multiple accounts, etc.

[Xizang]

LOL, funny you should pipe up which brings us to our second order of business.

I make a motion that Fenris should also be banned because sock puppets are against site rules. All in favor say "aye" all opposed say "no"

You know, Strike, you're an idiot.

All in favor of permanently BANNING unLuckyStrike say "AYE"

AYE

[freespirit]

it would seem that with your last post you have violated the first rule, xizang... calling someone an idiot is not very respectful, imho...

rule #1 seems to be the most frequently violated of all the rules.

[freespirit]

maybe xizang, fenris and Lucky Strike can all head over to the T-dome to settle this... haven't there been enough thread derailments lately?

i'll put my $$ on LS.

[Skirnir_]

I am merely an aggrieved party to an unfounded personal attack and intend to do no such thing.

[freespirit]

I am merely an aggrieved party to an unfounded personal attack and intend to do no such thing.

perhaps you should solve your own problem by placing the attacker on ignore? it seems to be a feature we all (myself included,) could utilize a little more to help avoid forum conflicts, no?

...if that doesn't work for you, go to the mods, thats what they're for...

[LuckyStrike]

Would you be so kind as to cite the rule you allege I have violated?




Nothing about sock-puppets, multiple accounts, etc.

So how did you find this forum? Why did you make no introduction?

This goes for xizang as well, but he won't last long at the rate he is breaking rules.

[Skirnir_]

1) I found the forum via a link posted on 4chan /x/
2) I made no introduction on account that I did not see where others had done so, and in light of it, it seemed pompous.

Having answered your questions, I would suggest a formal apology for the personal attacks you have, through unfounded accusations, made against myself and Xizang.

[LuckyStrike]

1) I found the forum via a link posted on 4chan /x/
2) I made no introduction on account that I did not see where others had done so, and in light of it, it seemed pompous.

Having answered your questions, I would suggest a formal apology for the personal attacks you have, through unfounded accusations, made against myself and Xizang.

LOL. Which thread on GSUS was /x/ linking to?

[Skirnir_]

LOL. Which thread on GSUS was /x/ linking to?

I do not recall specifically as it was several weeks ago, though it was likely in 'conspiracy theories'.

[LuckyStrike]

I do not recall specifically as it was several weeks ago, though it was likely in 'conspiracy theories'.

So you have only one account? I mean having multiple accounts is clearly legal as you pointed out earlier.......

[Skirnir_]

So you have only one account? I mean having multiple accounts is clearly legal as you pointed out earlier.......

I have only one account.

[LuckyStrike]

I have only one account.

The only account you have ever had?

What is GIM? What is Agora? What is site 41? Who is mayhem? Who is Ponce? Who is Fred?

[MAGNES]

You ask a lot of personal questions for someone who joined less than a month ago. I have one for you, what was your last screen name here?

I don't know what Xizang did to warrant this but you should look at this closely.

And you will understand some of my more recent posts and why I am pissed.

American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61886-American-Muslims-Stone-Christians-in-Dearborn-MI

There is also a 4 sock puppet troll on here making threats, no ban.

Lots of people joined recently or restarted posting, to pile on.
They seem to all know each other and communicate in chat.

Post has been edited, Vb is stalling on me.

[Skirnir_]

The only account you have ever had?

What is GIM? What is Agora? What is site 41? Who is mayhem? Who is Ponce? Who is Fred?

On here, I have other accounts on other boards.

I know ἀγορά was a place in in the Greek poleis where people brought and sold, GIM is short for 'gold is money', but the rest I do not know.

Now, it is your turn to answer questions:

Is there a pine cone lodged in your rectum at this moment? What other things have you lodged in there? Have you ever had anal haemorrhaging? Does it hurt when you sit?
note: I am being rhetorical to demonstrate the absurd nature of his questions

[LuckyStrike]

On here, I have other accounts on other boards.

I know ἀγορά was a place in in the Greek poleis where people brought and sold, GIM is short for 'gold is money', but the rest I do not know.

Now, it is your turn to answer questions:

Is there a pine cone lodged in your rectum at this moment? What other things have you lodged in there? Have you ever had anal haemorrhaging? Does it hurt when you sit?

You can't bait me troll, but you are marked now, we won't stop till you are gone. End of story.

[Skirnir_]

You can't bait me troll, but you are marked now, we won't stop till you are gone. End of story.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ButtHurt

[MAGNES]

Skirnir if that is you, playing troll , have you lost your mind ?

You can't trust anyone these days !

Read the above link given, people.

Nobody here should be banned unless it is a blatant personal attack.
There are people here that do not even get a ban for that.
4 sock puppet trolls doing that, no ban.

I would put money on it, this is skirnir, why you hiding skirnir ?

If this is skirnir and he verifies it, he can swear at me all he wants, NO BAN !
We old buds. His brain might have been rewired by Antonio, LOL !
If not hanging in chat may have rotted his brain like some others, ROFL !

[LuckyStrike]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ButtHurt

LOL, enjoy it while it lasts.........

[slowbell]

We old buds. His brain might have been rewired by Antonio, LOL !
If not hanging in chat may have rotted his brain like some others, ROFL !

What does Antonio have to do with this thread? What does chat have to do with this thread? Chat is a peaceful place, where friends enjoy each other's company.

You know, this thread sucks. It's all full of personal attacks and a bunch of BS.

I was thinking how great life is, how it's this gift we all have, I spent my day with nature surrounding me....and to relax, I read this thread. What a waste of time. This thread is not GSUS worthy.

[Mouse]

What does Antonio have to do with this thread? What does chat have to do with this thread? Chat is a peaceful place, where friends enjoy each other's company.

You know, this thread sucks. It's all full of personal attacks and a bunch of BS.

I was thinking how great life is, how it's this gift we all have, I spent my day with nature surrounding me....and to relax, I read this thread. What a waste of time. This thread is not GSUS worthy.

I am having a hard time finding this illusory quote from Magnes. Where did you paste it from to make it appear here?

[Mouse]

Opps my bad solid person

He did write that. I go to bed now and let the adults play the game.

I might be going on vacation for a while also. This shit is too fucktarded for my small little infinite mind to grasp.

[madfranks]

Nay, and screw you.

If it was just this, I'd give a warning and possibly move this thread to thunderdome. But...


You know, Strike, you're an idiot.

Personal attacks are not allowed. Since you're a "new" member and this is your first infraction, a three day ban seems appropriate, so... see you in a few days.


nay. No one has proved the case. All on your assumption. Until the guy outs himself, then all allegations are a personal attack.

As far as LuckyStrike and Fen, allegations such as the ones in this thread are not personal attacks so there's nothing to ban over.

[beefsteak]

another lovely day in the neighborhood.

[osoab]

If it was just this, I'd give a warning and possibly move this thread to thunderdome. But...



Personal attacks are not allowed. Since you're a "new" member and this is your first infraction, a three day ban seems appropriate, so... see you in a few days.



As far as LuckyStrike and Fen, allegations such as the ones in this thread are not personal attacks so there's nothing to ban over.

So how is incessant troll calling not the same as calling some an idiot? Just wondering.

[beefsteak]

folks,
permit me if you will to redirect the attention of this thread to original point of discussion.

After reading the Madison Wisc material at this link
http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/secondhandDealer.cfm
I'm left wondering at least two things, and would appreciate folks chiming in with their thoughts.

1) I've never particularly thought to check where an eBay seller operates/is located in order to avoid doing business with anyone --in this instance-- from Madison, Wisc.

Thoughts?

2) If one purchases anything on the items listed on the Madison report electronically and nightly to the Madison govt list, do eBay buyers open themselves up to unintended govt reporting by a 3rd party for the laundry list in perpetuity? Kind of a "once on the list, forever on the list" mentality?

Thoughts?

........Parenthetically, it appears this type eBay (or ANY online auction) transaction could logically can flow through to the IRS by winning an eBay auction from such a seller...providing both the seller's "profit point" and establishing not only the buyer's identity without pix, id, color of hair, color of eyes as required by Madison law, but also the cost basis for all these items forever tracked from date of purchase forward?

My mind reels with the thought of data entry cost points for CD/DVD purchases, for example.


beefsteak

[gunDriller]

i was PayPal'ed a few hundred $ in Jan. & Feb. this year.

still wondering if that will ever get reported to the US gov.

PayPal says they report $500 or more, i think i stayed under the threshold.


if the US gov. wants to dig into the "Underground" economy, they will have to look at transactions smaller than $500.

what we need is a Paypal insider - or IRS insider - to tell us what is going on.

[beefsteak]

Good point, Gunny. Hadn't thought of the PayPal angle.

[LuckyStrike]

So how is incessant troll calling not the same as calling some an idiot? Just wondering.

Really? You really don't see the difference?

I am saying that I think fenris and xizang are sock puppet trolls, this is what I believe to be a fact, an observation. So how on earth could I be penalized for saying that?

[osoab]

Really? You really don't see the difference?

I am saying that I think fenris and xizang are sock puppet trolls, this is what I believe to be a fact, an observation. So how on earth could I be penalized for saying that?


You offer no proof. Just "TROLL!" Calling you an idiot, well just isn't true. Everyone on the board knows you are not an idiot. So his response was amusingly quaint.

But to be called "TROLL" 24/7 since joining the board, has to be damned annoying. About as annoying as being called an idiot.

Just the way I see it.

I haven't figured out who Xixang is as a sock yet. I don't think he fits JK's profile. JK wasn't afraid of scary muzzies.

Fenrisulfr is not a troll.

The board has gone into a whipped up frenzy of "Two Minutes of Hate" with anyone new. It's a distraction. Even if they are trolls, the distraction of constantly calling them out is disruptive to the entire board. And if they say something just completely off the wall/not right I just post this pic. I have no need to hound anyone, but my sentiments have been conveyed.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzbs88acqc1qcegha.gif

[slowbell]

The board has gone into a whipped up frenzy of "Two Minutes of Hate" with anyone new. It's a distraction. Even if they are trolls, the distraction of constantly calling them out is disruptive to the entire board. And if they say something just completely off the wall/not right I just post this pic. I have no need to hound anyone, but my sentiments have been conveyed.

Agreed, good post Osoab. We've seen this countless times on this forum, threads massively derailed by calling folks trolls. Heck, there's posters that have been on this site since day 1 (myself included) who have been called trolls time and time again. It's wasted energy. Pointless, and all it does is bring down the quality of the forum.

We have a thunderdome for a reason. It rarely gets used, maybe it should be used more often.

If anyone has a true concern for someone being a troll, or a spammer, etc, report it to the mods. They do a great job, imo. Let them handle it.

If you want to go back and forth with nonsense, please do the board a favor and take it to the thunderdome. I hope I'm not alone by saying I've HAD IT with all the forum drama on this site.

Here everyone, have a hug.

3142

[beefsteak]

folks,
permit me if you will to redirect the attention of this thread to original point of discussion.

After reading the Madison Wisc material at this link
http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/secondhandDealer.cfm
I'm left wondering at least two things, and would appreciate folks chiming in with their thoughts.

1) I've never particularly thought to check where an eBay seller operates/is located in order to avoid doing business with anyone --in this instance-- from Madison, Wisc.

Thoughts?

2) If one purchases anything on the items listed on the Madison report electronically and nightly to the Madison govt list, do eBay buyers open themselves up to unintended govt reporting by a 3rd party for the laundry list in perpetuity? Kind of a "once on the list, forever on the list" mentality?

Thoughts?

........Parenthetically, it appears this type eBay (or ANY online auction) transaction could logically can flow through to the IRS by winning an eBay auction from such a seller...providing both the seller's "profit point" and establishing not only the buyer's identity without pix, id, color of hair, color of eyes as required by Madison law, but also the cost basis for all these items forever tracked from date of purchase forward?

My mind reels with the thought of data entry cost points for CD/DVD purchases, for example.

Now that yours truly has observed osoab taking his free speech protest to its own thread (Ban Hammer), permit me a 3rd effort to engage on this topic.

It occurs to me that this method of elected and appointed overseers straight-jacketing the populace engaged in commerce with definitions is the 'new spin' weapon for expanding control.

Are there any other examples of local governments just recently expanding definitions and implementing daily electronic reports of every transaction --not just precious metals and CDs/DVDs, besides in Madison?

Any other "locales" an eBay surfer should be on the wary/lookout for when surfing auction sites??

Hanging out at online auctions say Goodwill in Madison might not be a good idea anymore, just for one example.

I'm sitting here thinking, a whole bunch of sting operations are either being set up or in the making now that this Clintonesque trial balloon of Madison WISC has surfaced.

Don't we have some Wisconsin'ers here on GS? If so, is this even true and has it made news elsewhere in your state besides local flap in Madison?


SEE BELOW:

Donations - Goodwill of South Central Wisconsin (http://www.goodwillscwi.org/donate.php)

www.goodwill (http://www.%3Cstrong%3Egoodwill%3C/strong%3E)scwi.org/donate.php
Our online auction store (http://www.goodwillscwi.org/online_shopping.php) turns donated artwork, collectibles, fine china, and other unique items and high-end goods into ...

EDIT:
HMMMMMMMMMM...just clicked their "online shopping link" I receive a "down for maintenance error msg"...

could the local govt regs already be biting the hand that is generating sales tax revenues for the good Wisconsin bureaucracy? ? ?

Wonder when THAT page take down occurred?


beefsteak