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midnight rambler
21st July 2012, 05:59 PM
Killer (allegedly) has body armor "from head to toe" - as if he's going to encounter a CCW licensee in the theater or expects to have a shootout with the cops directly after the assault
Killer brings more than amble firepower to the assault (over the top firepower in fact)
Killer goes to great effort to booby trap his apartment so that the first party that enters (certainly most likely a cop) gets "seriously injured or killed"


Which doesn't square with -


Killer immediately surrenders to the cops when they spot him - he's got the body armor on, wtf? (btw, he left the shotgun in the theater and apparently dropped the AR just outside the exit door)
Killer IMMEDIATELY advises cops that his apartment is booby trapped, thereby negating the purpose of booby trapping his apt., again, wtf??
Killer has to realize that he will never see beyond the prison walls EVER and will likely get the death penalty, again, why not suicide by cop after his heinous acts?? ???


If his intent, as it *appears*, was to take out cops, why did he immediately surrender (when faced with the absolute prospect of never being out of prison in this lifetime) and why did he betray his booby trap plans??


Something wrong with this picture.

JohnQPublic
21st July 2012, 06:09 PM
Maybe a set-up. 'Here wear this costume and meet us at the back of the theater. We are going to scare some kids. It will be fun, really! Oh, and can my girlfriend and her sister stay at your place today. They have no where to go, and they don't want to be part of the fun prank.'

horseshoe3
21st July 2012, 06:30 PM
Sudden attack of conscience? I've heard it's really hard to kill another human, even when they deserve it. Maybe killing all those innocent people was too much for his system and he just gave up.

Libertytree
21st July 2012, 06:33 PM
Not to mention that initial reports said there was a "bomb" found in the theatre but it never ignited.

For being a supposed genius he seems like half a tard.

Not to sound callous, again, but the fact that he only killed 12 people is somewhat amazing, especially when he had the gas mask on and walked up the aisle shooting at will. Seems like an awful low body count in the scheme of things.

If he ordered 6000 rounds in the last 4-6 months why not be prepared to use them all? He used just a pittance of what they said he ordered.

midnight rambler
21st July 2012, 06:34 PM
And another thing - if one is going to 'end one's own life' (which he has effectively done even though he's still breathing atm) by making such an assault, wtf purchase 3,000 rounds of .40 ammo, 3,000 rounds of .223 ammo, and 300 rounds of 12 ga. ammo?? ??? Another great big WTF. There's no way he could have carried all that ammo in magazines on himself.

Hollyweird has done a fine job of brainwashing people regarding guns with their filth.

k-os
21st July 2012, 06:43 PM
Maybe a set-up. 'Here wear this costume and meet us at the back of the theater. We are going to scare some kids. It will be fun, really! Oh, and can my girlfriend and her sister stay at your place today. They have no where to go, and they don't want to be part of the fun prank.'

That's an angle I hadn't considered. It answers all of the contradictions.

I still think it's mind control OR . . . after watching the video of that really strange interview with the lesbian-looking witness chick . . . even weirder . . . like it didn't even happen. (That was a hard sentence to type and even harder to post.)

midnight rambler
21st July 2012, 06:48 PM
That's an angle I hadn't considered. It answers all of the contradictions.

I still think it's mind control OR . . . after watching the video of that really strange interview with the lesbian-looking witness chick . . . even weirder . . . like it didn't even happen. (That was a hard sentence to type and even harder to post.)

WTF was up with that lesbo looking woman availing herself ALL day to the nooz media the following day, as in no time to sleep apparently, all to eager to get in front of the cameras?? I mean, that was a hell of an event to witness, yet there she is hanging in there ALL day - normal people would have gone somewhere peaceful and unwound just want to be left the fuck alone, but no, this woman is like the Energizer rabbit.

k-os
21st July 2012, 06:50 PM
WTF was up with that lesbo looking woman availing herself ALL day to the nooz media the following day, as in no time to sleep apparently, all to eager to get in front of the cameras?? I mean, that was a hell of an event to witness, yet there she is hanging in there ALL day.

Not just that but her answers were . . . off . . . just strange. Her facial expressions were odd, and her sign-off was really jubilant for having just discussed a massacre. The whole thing stunk. My gut reaction to her was: lesbian, military, and lying

osoab
21st July 2012, 06:54 PM
remember his Mom's first comment.

k-os
21st July 2012, 06:56 PM
remember his Mom's first comment.

Yeah, that was really weird too!

JohnQPublic
21st July 2012, 07:15 PM
No can really identify a guy with a mask dressed in black armor as this guy.

PlatinumBlonde
21st July 2012, 08:07 PM
Not to sound callous, again, but the fact that he only killed 12 people is somewhat amazing, especially when he had the gas mask on and walked up the aisle shooting at will. Seems like an awful low body count in the scheme of things.

I said this on another thread but I think there was someone he was supposed to kill specifically among the 12. Similar to the Giffords shooting, the real target was the Federal Judge..

General of Darkness
21st July 2012, 08:11 PM
Actors and I'm leaning towards MK ULTRA shit of something more advance.

PlatinumBlonde
21st July 2012, 08:16 PM
Actors and I'm leaning towards MK ULTRA shit of something more advance.

MKULTRA for the trifecta--gun control, TSA increased presence beyond transportation venues, 'the target'..

madfranks
21st July 2012, 10:06 PM
Sudden attack of conscience? I've heard it's really hard to kill another human, even when they deserve it. Maybe killing all those innocent people was too much for his system and he just gave up.

Following the mind control/detached from reality theme, if he was on some sort of psychotropic drug that was altering his mind, I could certainly see something as brutal as what he was doing made him sober up pretty quick, so he turned himself in.

old steel
21st July 2012, 10:12 PM
Definite Manchurian candidate. Makes you wonder how many they have lined up while they back us all into a corner.

I know one thing for sure. They will need oven mitts to get my gun!

vacuum
21st July 2012, 11:59 PM
The purpose of the body armor and tear gas was to defeat the argument "well if people in the audience had been armed, this would have never happened". It wasn't for the cops.

old steel
22nd July 2012, 12:13 AM
Whats that quote about fooling some of the people all of the time?

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 03:02 AM
Whats that quote about fooling some of the people all of the time?

If you can fool some of the people some of the time why not fool all the people all of the time.....................

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 03:09 AM
Witness: Someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater


http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252995/396/Witness-Someone-let-gunman-inside-Colorado-movie-theater-

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 03:25 AM
eyewitnesses and press admited early on that a second shooter was involved


(http://www.zengardner.com/batman-shooting-foretold-in-1986-dark-knight-comic/)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAn5YSUsUc&feature=player_embedded




http://www.zengardner.com/batman-shooting-foretold-in-1986-dark-knight-comic/

Large Sarge
22nd July 2012, 05:05 AM
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

midnight rambler
22nd July 2012, 05:31 AM
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

Last year Derren Brown hypnotized a fellow to become an assassin who actually carried out an 'assassination' with a 'loaded' handgun.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA

TheNocturnalEgyptian
22nd July 2012, 12:41 PM
MNR, you are right. His actions are not in accordance with his self-proclaimed goal of "Killing everyone."

Cebu_4_2
22nd July 2012, 02:21 PM
Aurora Massacre: What Does the Location of the Gas Mask Tell Us? What About Security Cameras? Are They Related? (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/) Posted on July 22, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
As I was scanning through a number of heart breaking photos (http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2012/07/20/mass-shooting-aurora-colorado-movie-theater/5738/) from the aftermath of the Dark Knight massacre in Aurora Co. this morning, I noticed something very interesting; actually a couple of interesting things stood out.Primarily I noticed that the gas mask was found a long way away from where James Holmes was arrested and the other equipment was found. I also think I found an image of a security camera mounted on the back of the theater pointing down toward where the car was parked and the theater exit was. And as luck would have it, that is the exact same location the gas mask was found as if the assailant traveled the length of the building and dropped the mask once he was out of the view of the camera.
I have done my best to compile photos and the layout of the scene at the back of the theater for your consideration.
——— The first was the fact that early reports had claimed the shooter was still wearing his equipment when the cops first found him next to his car and he was still carrying all of his weapons except for one Glock 40 which was found in his car. This is an important aspect of the case because how else would they have known he was the shooter amid all that chaos. Also interesting is the fact that they didn’t just shoot the guy. He was apparently still carrying an assault rifle and a shotgun and decked out in tactical armor… so how did he just end up surrendering “meekly” as some reports claim?
The answer is simple: he wasn’t carrying the guns and he wasn’t still wearing the armor. So, how did they know they had the right guy?

“Holmes was apprehended within minutes of the 12:39 a.m. shooting at his car behind the theater, where police found him in full riot gear and carrying three weapons, including an AR-15 assault rifle, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds, a Remington 12-gauge shotgun, and a .40 Glock handgun. A fourth handgun was found in the vehicle.” ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-10-people-dead/story?id=16817842#.UAwAVZHoxy_)
But this report flies in the face of the evidence at the scene and the vast number of police photos taken.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/armor-on-ground-2.jpg?w=281&h=258 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/armor-on-ground-2.jpg)
From the above photo you can clearly see he had striped off his armor on the way to his vehicle and in fact, the AR-15 was found just inches outside the exit door, meaning he could not have still had it when the cops found him unless they let him walk back the 30 or so feet to the door to lay the weapon down there.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/close-up-ar15.jpg?w=281&h=410 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/close-up-ar15.jpg)
It’s important to understand the layout of the location where the assailant left the building to return to his car. Let’s put that into perspective right off the bat.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/screen-shot-rear-of-building.jpg?w=468&h=262 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/screen-shot-rear-of-building.jpg)
As you can see from the compilation of crime scene photos below, the assailant left the building from the door between the two sections and next to the utility area beside where he parked. He could not have found a parking space closer to that door if he tried. As you can see, his Ar-15 was found right beside the door where he apparently dropped it upon leaving the theater. The blood makes it clear that was the exit to the theater where the massacre took place.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-1.jpg?w=468&h=339 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-1.jpg)
So if he did indeed drop his primary weapon at the door when he left, how did the cops know he was the assailant? It’s possible he was still carrying the shotgun and wearing the body armor and the gas mask, but that seems to be contradicted by other photos with one VERY interesting piece of evidence…
Notice where the gas mask location is, at the end of the building. That’s VERY important…
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-2.jpg?w=468&h=354 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-2.jpg)
When I first started researching this article, I was consumed by the question of locating the security cameras covering this business’s parking and access areas. I had wondered why there has been literally no discussion of the security camera footage from that night.
What I found may be more damning than I could have imagined: yes there are security cameras mounted on the building on the front and apparently on the back shooting down the length of the rear of the building and if someone were walking down that sidewalk after leaving that exit, then their face would be clearly visible on that camera because they would have been walking directly toward it.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/rear-building-camera.jpg?w=468&h=246 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/rear-building-camera.jpg)
So, if an assailant were to leave the theater via that exit and head in that direction, then obviously he would want to leave his mask on until he was out of the viewable area of the camera.
As it turns out, the gas mask seems to have been dropped directly under the camera itself.
But why head in that direction? Because it is the closest access to the main road right next to the theater and a waiting vehicle and escape. It wouldn’t do to try to blend in with the crowd because the police may detain witnesses and start asking questions they might not want to answer. Plus then there would be a record of the individual on site and that might not be good in the future. The best bet would be to get off property as soon as possible and that exit path provides the fastest way to do that.
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-3.jpg?w=468&h=351 (http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/article-3.jpg)
Is it possible that James Holmes was set up? Think about this:


James Holmes goes out Tuesday night drinking and someone doses him. They do it early Wed morning so they have time in his apartment to set up those elaborate traps (how would James have known how to construct those anyway?)
They keep him drugged and off the radar till Thursday night when they go to the theater. They make sure to park in that spot, right next to the exit of the theater.
The assailant goes in, fakes the phone call, comes out, goes to the car where James is still drugged, gets the gear on, goes in and attacks the innocent civilians.
Then the assailant comes out the exit door, leans against it while dropping the gun and removing almost all of his gear with the exception of the mask.
He runs past the car dropping the gear next to it in a heap, opens the door with James inside, tosses the guns into the car, the shotgun has been there all along, and goes straight down the length of the building toward the corner, toward the camera, drops his mask directly under the camera, and heads off to the nearby street where a car is waiting (cruising slowly) to pick him up.
Holmes is reported to have been “meek” when arrested. This might also explain why he wasn’t shot by police… he was incapacitated, incoherent, or generally not a threat.
Holmes, who is being held under suicide watch in solitary confinement, remained in his murderous “Joker” persona after his arrival, a jailhouse worker told the Daily News.“He thinks he’s acting in a movie,” a prison employee told the Daily News (http://rt.com/usa/news/colorado-shooting-massacre-cinema-777/).

There is no way of telling if this is actually what happened but we have to take all of the evidence, including the physical evidence into consideration and part of that evidence is the apparent lack of anyone talking about the security camera videos. Those cameras on the front of the building should show James Holmes entering the building at the very least so where are they?
And what other explanation is there for that gas mask to be located so far from the rest of the equipment and James and his car? Clearly the police didn’t carry it down there and drop it on the ground for the fun of it?
I am still searching for more pictures of the rear of that building and specifically anything that shows the roof section where I think that camera is.
While it is possible that Holmes did this, it is also possible that the same thing happened here that happened at the recent Kandahar Massacre where a man was drugged and set up for an atrocity he had nothing to do with. Considering the nature of the world we live in, I think it would be irresponsible for me not to report this information as I found it and to not question the “official story” of the “crazed lone gunman” that we see over and over again especially when unpopular landmark legislation is waiting in the wings.
Billionaire New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is using this tragedy to push for stricter gun control laws. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/michael-bloomberg-gun-control_n_1692950.html) I wonder if he is one of the financial elites who have just been outed for hording 32 trillion dollars (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/super-rich-offshore-havens_n_1692608.html) in off shore accounts? Can you imagine why someone like him would want to disarm the citizens of this country?

Norweger
22nd July 2012, 02:29 PM
The reason he's still alive is because they need him for a phony trial which will limit your gun-laws.

midnight rambler
22nd July 2012, 02:37 PM
Did not know the gas mask was so far away from the exit door where the AR was ditched. That is a glaring problem. One report has him ditching the 870 in the theater. This would have left Holmes with no long arm and only one pistol, which btw, if you have two sidearms why leave one in the car?? ??? And why ditch the long arms if one is covered with body armor 'head to toe' expecting incoming fire?? Only a long arm would be effective against arresting officers wearing body armor only rated for handguns. This story continues to grow more bizarre.

I think the location of the gas mask relative to all the other ditched gear tells it all - why would someone not ditch the gas mask first (or directly after the helmet) unless it served some other purpose than for the tear gas?? And why was the gas mask so far away from his means of escape (his car)? The gas mask was roughly 200 ft. from his car...

vacuum
22nd July 2012, 02:44 PM
And why weren't cops already at his car waiting for him? Presumably they were on the scene but weren't ready to go in against an enclosed tear-gased area.

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 02:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EM-3LfW-xA4http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EM-3LfW-xA4

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 02:47 PM
FBI theater attack warning issued on May 17, 201



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to&feature=player_embedded


Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

midnight rambler
22nd July 2012, 02:51 PM
Something else which has bothered me - at least one wounded party exited the exit door and left bloody footprints from only one leg - for them to have proceeded the distance they did along the sidewalk in front of Holmes' car the scene would have had to have been secured at the point in which the wounded party ambled along the sidewalk...if the wounded party had spotted Holmes' outside prior to the cops grabbing him I seriously doubt the wounded party would have proceeded to walk down the sidewalk...this indicates to me that the cops had already apprehended Holmes prior to the wounded party making his/her way down the sidewalk in front of Holmes' car, which leads to the conclusion that Holmes was arrested directly after the shooting ended, like within 3-5 minutes...

Norweger
22nd July 2012, 02:54 PM
eyewitnesses and press admited early on that a second shooter was involved


(http://www.zengardner.com/batman-shooting-foretold-in-1986-dark-knight-comic/)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAn5YSUsUc&feature=player_embedded




http://www.zengardner.com/batman-shooting-foretold-in-1986-dark-knight-comic/

Same with Utøya. Before the press got syncronized there were several dozen articles about a second shooter. It's more beneficial for the conspirators to have this seem like a lone psycho in order to restrict individual rights.

midnight rambler
22nd July 2012, 03:08 PM
Note that exit door has no door pull of any kind on exterior, so there's no *positive* way to open from the outside UNLESS it's fully ajar so that one can get one's fingers to the interior side OR some device was placed on it as some sort of handle...simply blocking the latching mechanism would not work if the door is not fully ajar anyway.

Large Sarge
22nd July 2012, 03:44 PM
more witnesses step up "Shooter had help"

http://www.businessinsider.com/witness-someone-let-dark-knight-shooter-in-through-the-emergency-exit-2012-7

osoab
22nd July 2012, 03:48 PM
Same guy in Large Sarge's article except a CNN interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h4MW_qhAPAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h4MW_qhAPAU

Second Operative Got Call to Open Colorado Theater Door for Shooter (http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/22/second-operative-got-call-to-open-colorado-theatre-door-for-shooter/)

Serpo
22nd July 2012, 03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K47DpqTZoBwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K47DpqTZoBw

BabushkaLady
22nd July 2012, 04:11 PM
A psychological perspective:



We Won’t Get Fooled Again (Part 1) (http://farmwars.info/?p=8842)



Dave Hodges
Common Sense Radio Show (http://farmwars.info/thecommonsenseshow.weebly.com)

I went to high school in Aurora, Colorado, about two miles from the scene of the Dark Night movie massacre. My late parents’ home was a mile away from the scene of the crime. My immediate family and I have attended several movies at the now infamous Aurora Mall theaters. Therefore, this recent tragedy is somewhat personal for me.

A part of me wants to ignore this tragedy and go on with my life because this is so very painful to look at this event. Several families and untold numbers of friends have lost a loved one in a seemingly senseless tragedy. Someone’s husband and father is not coming home tonight and someone’s child won’t be there to open presents next Christmas. It’s extremely hard for me to write these words without being overcome by emotion.

I have struggled on whether or not I should share my personal and professional observations about the facts related to this tragedy in the media because I strongly believe that the grieving loved ones, should be prayed for, comforted and then left in peace. The last thing I want to do, or to be accused of doing, is to engage in idle speculation at the expense of the victims, their families and their friends. However, based upon my experience and training as a mental health counselor, I also know that the mental health scenario being universally painted by the mainstream media is implausible from a psychopathological frame of reference. Further, the described background of the perpetrator, James Holmes, and his insanely violent act were grossly inconsistent with regard to means, motive, personal background, professional experience and current lifestyle and living conditions necessary to have carried out this heinous act to the demonstrable degree of skill witnessed in this event.

Conspiracy theories are often the default position for people in mourning who are seeking meaningful answers on why a particular tragedy took place. It is very important not to confuse emotionality with logic and facts in cases such as the recent movie massacre tragedy. However, when the released facts related to the crime and the perpetrator don’t add up, serious questions must be asked and truthful answers must be demanded!

As I weighed my options on whether or not to write this piece, I’m all too aware that when the profound sense of loss and grieving begins to dissipate, the victims’ loved ones will want truthful answers on why this tragedy took place. The lens of history clearly points to this fact as the Pat Tillman family still wants answers, thousands of 9/11 victims loved ones still want answers, and families and friends of the Oklahoma City Bombing victims still want answers and people profoundly impacted by the Columbine High School tragedy are still asking questions about why their loved ones had to die. Families and friends of the Dark Knight movie massacre victims deserve the truth and I do not believe, from the early media returns, that the real truth is going to be forthcoming. In that spirit, I add my voice to the chorus of voices in saying that the public explanations, related to this unspeakable tragedy, do not add up.

The Background

PhD candidate, James Holmes, 24, residing in Aurora, Colorado, acting with the precision and sophistication of a well-trained, killing-machine commando killed 12 people and wounded 59 as he opened fire at a Batman movie premiere The Dark Night Rising. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-people-dead/story?id=16817842#.UArqJvUnx-w) Yet, as many mainstream media outlets, including the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492), are reporting that James Holmes had no criminal arrest record and had absolutely no military training in his known background, yet, Holmes had every detail of “what the police call tactical equipment. He wore a ballistic helmet, a flak jacket and gas mask, but also the gloves and breeches you would expect from a Swat team.”

Many More Questions Than Believable Answers

Where would an incredibly busy PhD student find the time to learn how to booby trap his apartment?

Why would a mass murderer randomly shoot dozens of innocent people and then mysteriously warn authorities that he had meticulously booby trapped his apartment if his intention was to commit mass murder?

Where did a 24 year-old, PhD student who has spent his entire young adulthood in academia, with absolutely no military training, develop sophisticated commando tactics and applicable skills with very elaborate and very expensive military grade equipment?

Why was the mainstream media so quick to learn and subsequently tell the viewing public the name of the perpetrator and then subsequently blame the Second Amendment for the event before any of the facts could possibly have been known? How was it that the swarms of FBI agents appeared almost immediately at the scene of the crime as well as the mass murder’s apartment?

What do you think any knowledgeable construction worker would say about how those theatre grade, fire-rated security doors, equipped with fire inspected alarms, which would have sounded if the door was opened in the rear of the theatre?

Why is the media so intent on painting Holmes as a mentally ill mass murder when a professional psychological examination has not even been performed and the results released to the media and the public?

The most common second-hand diagnosis being offered for Holmes mental health condition is paranoid schizophrenia in which the afflicted person can potentially hear voices, or act on delusional beliefs devoid of logical connection with reality which commands or compels the sufferer to commit random acts of violence. On the night of the mass murder, was Holmes behavior consistent with classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia?

What Is Known

One of the most unbelievable explanations that I heard regarding this crime is the fact that this college student with no military training was able to booby trap his apartment, to such a degree of sophistication, that the ATF and FBI took several hours to gain entrance to his apartment. It has been suggested that this bright graduate student learned how to construct booby traps from the Internet. As implausible as it seems to me, I have to wonder if the Internet also taught this young terrorist how to shoot straight and master a multitude of weapons as well as the learning and the execution of advanced commando skills? Where did Holmes practice to learn the skills and more importantly, how did this PhD student find the time to train to such a level of sophistication that the Israeli commandos at the raid on Entebbe would be envious at the skill and precision displayed by Holmes in this gruesome attack? How did Holmes gain entrance into the highly secured rear doors of the movie theater, armed with alarms, without inside help? The short answer to all of these questions is that he couldn’t and he didn’t.

I find it interesting that a starving graduate student, living in a modest apartment, could afford very expensive weaponry, a bulletproof vest, a modern gas mask, groin and neck protectors, complicated bombs and tear gas. This was a well-funded operation and there doesn’t seem to be any plausible explanation as to how this very expensive operation was funded and the goods ended up in the hands of such a person of meager means.

The media has hung its hat on two analyses and subsequent explanations for Holmes’ actions: (1) Holmes is a mentally ill mass murder who was suffering from paranoid schizophrenic delusions; and, (2) this horrible tragedy could have been averted if only effective gun control measures were in place. First of all, there doesn’t seem to be any history of serious mental illness with regard to what the media is stating that Holmes most likely suffers from. Secondly, the paranoid schizophrenic argument loses steam because the killer abruptly stopped killing when he got outside the theatre where the perpetrator calmly sat down and peacefully surrendered to authorities as if to say “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!” Are these actions consistent with a crazed mass murderer? I do not believe so. If the murderer’s intent was to kill as many innocent people as possible, then it appears likely that this rage would have continued outside the movie theater. Adrenaline alone would’ve accounted for several more minutes added on to the killing rampage unless, of course, someone literally or metaphorically flipped a switch, MK Ultra style, which caused Holmes to shut down and passively surrender. Thirdly, the delusional beliefs and subsequent behavior of paranoid schizophrenics does not follow a calm, rational, predictable and methodical pattern of behavior which is exactly what we see in Holmes’ homicidal actions on that fateful night. The manifested behaviors of paranoid schizophrenics is normally preceded by disorganized and delusional thinking which causes the person to appear and act in an illogical and irrational manner. This is the opposite behavioral pattern of what we saw from James Holmes who carried out his act with the precision of a well-trained professional killer.

Amazingly, the FBI was warned two months ago (https://plus.google.com/111028613407522646219/posts/PYdBfcEtxKq#111028613407522646219/posts/PYdBfcEtxKq) about terrorism coming to American movie theaters. Yet, they seem to have mysteriously ignored these warnings. I suggest visiting the preceding URL as soon as possible as this link most assuredly will disappear from the net courtesy of the police state surveillance grid. Why wasn’t this warning acted upon? And why do several URL’s keep disappearing from the net, related to this FBI warning, causing truth-seekers to continually repost this information? Many people have been puzzled by the rapidity of the FBI’s presence on the crime scene which even preceded many of the Aurora police officers arriving on the scene, despite the fact that the Aurora police maintain a substation in the mall less than 100 yards away from the crime scene. A reasonable person might be inclined to ask, what did the FBI know that the Aurora police did not?

If this was a plot, why would anyone do such a thing? Ironically, on July 27, 2012, President Obama and Hillary Clinton are going to sign the UN gun control treaty (http://pragmaticwitness.com/2012/07/06/u-s-will-sign-gun-control-treaty-july-27-2012/). Obama only needs a few more senators to sign the treaty to make it the law of the land. Of course, the public is supposed to believe that this tragedy and the immediate media calls for more stringent gun control, and the coincidence with the UN gun control treaty signing date, following this tragedy, is merely one big coincidence!

Gun control and undermining the Second Amendment was what FAST and FURIOUS was all about as Obama and Holder shipped guns into Mexico resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of Mexicans and over 200 Americans including Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The covert FAST and FURIOUS program blew up in the administration’s face as Holder is facing potential criminal prosecution for his related actions. Therefore, it seems logical that the Obama administration would invoke Plan B. If these globalist minions would stage FAST and FURIOUS, then why should it be hard to believe that the same thugs would stage the Aurora, Colorado movie massacre at the showing of theDark Knight Rising? It’s interesting to note that Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, myself as well as many other awake Americans have been predicting a major false flag attack which would lead to the justification for Obama to enact draconian, UN-sponsored gun control legislation.

JFK, RFK, 9/11, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, Waco; We won’t get fooled again!

Investigating the Administration Which Seeks to Fundamentally Transform America

It is also both interesting and highly disturbing that members of the Obama administration are on record of having said that the only way that the Obama presidency survives into a second term is if the country will unite behind an Obama candidacy following a series of terrorist events which will culminate in a second term. Part two of this series will explore the possible motives of the Obama administration, including his handlers (e.g. Bill Ayers and Valerie Jarrett), related to the possible carrying out of this event as well as a series of possible false flag events coming in the future (e.g. in Chicago and at the London Olympics). Part two of this series will also explore what an ill-gotten Obama second term will mean for millions of future victims in this country.

Dave Hodges

from here:
http://farmwars.info/?p=8842

the link to Dave Hodge's website doesn't seem to be working from the blog; here it is:
http://thecommonsenseshow.weebly.com/

He's on RBN Sunday evenings.

vacuum
22nd July 2012, 04:16 PM
Where would an incredibly busy PhD student find the time to learn how to booby trap his apartment?

Where did a 24 year-old, PhD student who has spent his entire young adulthood in academia, with absolutely no military training, develop sophisticated commando tactics and applicable skills with very elaborate and very expensive military grade equipment?

These are two very good questions.

JDRock
22nd July 2012, 08:01 PM
things we KNOW;
1.IMMEDIATLY after his arrest, and without so much as a moments investigation the police were "certain" it was 1 lone man acting ALONE.
2. witnesses SAW a man answer a cell phone and open the locked door by the front.
3. of course he has ties to jews via being a counsellor at one of their camps...(yeah riiight they ley goyim counsel their kids)
4. he had access to tear gas!
5. the abnormally long response time for the police.

JohnQPublic
23rd July 2012, 08:03 AM
...
3. of course he has ties to jews via being a counsellor at one of their camps...(yeah riiight they ley goyim counsel their kids)

The camp is for anyone, but sponsored by a jewish group.



5. the abnormally long response time for the police.

90 seconds?

JDRock
23rd July 2012, 09:29 AM
The camp is for anyone, but sponsored by a jewish group.



90 seconds?
no, he didnt shoot 70 peeps in 90 seconds... all i need to know john, is ' investigation closed! 1 man operating alone" to know of a certainty that theres more here..dont trust government.

PatColo
23rd July 2012, 09:45 AM
Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker-medical-school/)

http://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/holmes.jpg?w=620 (http://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/holmes.jpg)
Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker)

The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. “The irony is amazing, just amazing,” said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin. He said emergency specialist physicians from Parkland Hospital in Dallas as well as from several other emergency programs around the country are teaching the Advanced Disaster Life Support Training. Rocky Vista is the only medical school in the nation to make that training a part of the curriculum. “They are trained to respond in every type of disaster,” Dubin said. The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said. “It made these medical students very aware that these kinds of things can happen anywhere,” he said. “The events of this tragedy have helped to drive that home.”

RELATED– Witness thinks someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater

AURORA, CO — A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman. He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started. Here’s what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast. “As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place.” Police arrested 24-year-old James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, for the shootings. At least 12 people were killed and 38 others wounded when the gunman opened fire during the midnight screening of the newest Batman film, “The Dark Knight Rises.”

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker-medical-school/

JohnQPublic
23rd July 2012, 12:22 PM
no, he didnt shoot 70 peeps in 90 seconds... all i need to know john, is ' investigation closed! 1 man operating alone" to know of a certainty that theres more here..dont trust government.

You may be right, but this is what is being claimed by the PD, so I am just saying it is not in the "what we know" category. Truth is, very little does, and as witnesses start dying mysteriously, we may never know.

Buddha
23rd July 2012, 01:50 PM
no, he didnt shoot 70 peeps in 90 seconds... all i need to know john, is ' investigation closed! 1 man operating alone" to know of a certainty that theres more here..dont trust government.

A YT vid I saw last night sealed the deal 100% they got some sheriff or cop or w/e to get on camera and say that there was only 1 shooter. When asked about reports of a second gunman he said that there definitely WAS NOT. All the while his eyes are rolling around in his head like Stevie Wonder, and he keeps looking off to the side, off camera, as if someone was coaching him.

midnight rambler
23rd July 2012, 02:12 PM
By my rough calculations the guns, ammo, and Beta mag along cost about $5K - this does not include the body armor and all the toys he assembled in his apt. Where'd an unemployed grad student get the money for that?? Mommy and Daddy's credit card?? Is this why his mom said to the media first thing Friday morning, "You've got the right person..."?

joboo
23rd July 2012, 02:20 PM
And another thing - if one is going to 'end one's own life' (which he has effectively done even though he's still breathing atm) by making such an assault, wtf purchase 3,000 rounds of .40 ammo, 3,000 rounds of .223 ammo, and 300 rounds of 12 ga. ammo?? ??? Another great big WTF. There's no way he could have carried all that ammo in magazines on himself.

Hollyweird has done a fine job of brainwashing people regarding guns with their filth.

Perhaps he just wanted to drool over a huge pile of ammo before doing the deed.

Buddha
23rd July 2012, 02:25 PM
By my rough calculations the guns, ammo, and Beta mag along cost about $5K - this does not include the body armor and all the toys he assembled in his apt. Where'd an unemployed grad student get the money for that?? Mommy and Daddy's credit card?? Is this why his mom said to the media first thing Friday morning, "You've got the right person..."?

Yeah really, how was he even paying his rent? let alone upwards of 5k in weapons/ammo.

Probably had student loans out of the ass too, a grad student? sheeeeeeeet.

This whole event is beyond strange, and the one thing that I am 100% sure of is that the stories being spun by the media are BS.

Edit: He could have taken out loan money and bought all that stuff ;) But IMO he wasn't in control of his own actions.

Norweger
23rd July 2012, 03:30 PM
He was probably drugged with this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine

Serpo
23rd July 2012, 03:42 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/23/0723-james-holmes-tmz-1.jpgThe Bizarre Mug Shot

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/james-holmes-mug-shot/

MNeagle
23rd July 2012, 03:54 PM
& they're also not using his middle name...

Canadian-guerilla
23rd July 2012, 03:57 PM
this " random " shooting is to maybe take eyes off the Libor scam ?

and a London olympic false flag will take the world's eyes off the Libor scam

osoab
23rd July 2012, 03:58 PM
this " random " shooting is to maybe take eyes off the Libor scam ?

and a London olympic false flag will take the world's eyes off the Libor scam

The FF fits better with the UN gun treaty being signed by Obummer this week.

Buddha
23rd July 2012, 04:01 PM
& they're also not using his middle name...
That's because his middle name is probably "Shalom"

JohnQPublic
23rd July 2012, 04:41 PM
& they're also not using his middle name...

Eagan according to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes

Glass
23rd July 2012, 05:12 PM
Colorado shooting suspect makes bizarre court appearance

James Holmes made his way into a silent courthouse for his first appearance since the mass murder he is accused of via a tunnel under the Aurora court and sat stricken and silent throughout the proceedings.
His eyes were lidded, and sometimes closed completely for long seconds, his head occasionally lolled. He was unshaven and his flaming red clown hair was thicker and longer than it appeared to be in photographs published earlier.



http://images.theage.com.au/2012/07/24/3480291/dh_holmes-20120724054408259371-620x349.jpg

The 24-year-old accused of killing 12 and injuring 58 in a Colorado cinema last Friday sat mute next to a lawyer in the jury box rather than at the defence table. Apparently officials wanted to keep him as far as possible from the five family members who attended on behalf of three victims.

Judge William B. Sylvester advised him of his rights in the proceedings to follow and told him that there was “probable cause to believe you committed the offence of first-degree murder” and that he would continue to be held in solitary confinement without bond.


Holmes will re-appear next Monday to be formally charged.
The audiovisual feed from the courtroom failed constantly during the appearance and TV news broadcasters were often reduced to reporting on the technical difficulties rather than detailing the proceedings.


http://images.theage.com.au/2012/07/24/3480302/james-holmes-729-2-620x349.jpg


Full story @ the Age (http://www.theage.com.au/world/he-knows-what-hes-doing-colorado-shooting-suspect-makes-bizarre-court-appearance-20120724-22l9q.html)

Horn
23rd July 2012, 05:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi3mKY9L9p0

Uncle Salty
23rd July 2012, 06:04 PM
If they don't release the security tapes, you know something is up.

Blink
23rd July 2012, 06:11 PM
The FF fits better with the UN gun treaty being signed by Obummer this week.

I concur. Up here in Canada we've got the resident idiots in Ontario barking to totally ban "all" handguns.

For what its worth, I think we all know theres an agenda at play here...........

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news612_batmananswers.html

JDRock
23rd July 2012, 06:22 PM
If they don't release the security tapes, you know something is up.
im sure theres furious editing and fixing as we speak...

Buddha
23rd July 2012, 06:50 PM
Also, A jewish summer camp for under privileged minorities? If that's not a front then I don't know what is. I guess if it were marketed for what is (a sex-slave recruiting/organ-harvesting/mind control center) it wouldn't be quite the draw.

k-os
23rd July 2012, 07:00 PM
That dude looks drugged and/or crazy. Even though I still think it's MKULTRA, I realize that people try to look and act crazy in order to plead insanity.

Have the officials even mentioned the cameras?

Glass
23rd July 2012, 07:26 PM
Also, A jewish summer camp for under privileged minorities? If that's not a front then I don't know what is. I guess if it were marketed for what is (a sex-slave recruiting/organ-harvesting/mind control center) it wouldn't be quite the draw.

Like Boystown?

Hatha Sunahara
23rd July 2012, 07:28 PM
The guy looks like he's on drugs, or sleep deprived in the courtroom video.

I can't imagine how he managed to shoot 12 people to death and wound 71 others in the time he had to do it. It is likely that there was more than one shooter. Also, I don't believe that the criminal justice system (police, courts, prosecutors, and the media) have enough integrity to do an honest investigation of what happened. I also cannot imagine how these 'authorities' who are dealing with this case are all blind to the inconsistencies in the account of what happened, like the ones noted in this thread. There has to be some 'thought conformity' and institutional obedience that accounts for the behavior of the police. And why is the shooter saying nothing in public? Did the cops deprive him of sleep?

All the politicians are having a feast on this. I believe this is a high tech political psy-op. The shooter is the patsy.


Hatha

Buddha
23rd July 2012, 07:34 PM
Like Boystown?

I have never heard of Boystown, looking up now.

Ok, I've come across the documentary and such, and I can tell that this is gonna really piss me off.

sirgonzo420
23rd July 2012, 07:39 PM
I have never heard of Boystown, looking up now.

Ok, I've come across the documentary and such, and I can tell that this is gonna really piss me off.

Then stay the fuck away from any book written on the subject.

Old Herb Lady
23rd July 2012, 08:23 PM
Sorry if this is a repost--I don't have time to read the posts ! So sorry, but I skimmed real quick didn't see anything ?

COPS AND MEDIA LIED ABOUT MOTHER'S WORDS WHEN THEY CALLED HER TO TELL HER WHAT HAPPENED !!!!!

Mother's statement:
"He asked if I was Arlene Holmes and if my son was James Holmes who lives in Aurora, Colorado.
I answered yes, you have the right person. I was referring to myself."

Story & video of her attorney at link !
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/holmes-mother-suggests-abc-news-mischaracterized-her-129835.html


Parents NOT cooperating with police !!!

I think this is a psy-op gone WRONG/Backfired! I don't think he was brainwashable.....he could still be sane but is acting out the insanity so welllll.
He's tooooo smart.......WAYYYY tooo smart.....it could come out in a trial that he could tell the truth about exposing the details (perhaps with proof) of his experience of being psy-op'd. He could have went along with it because he wanted to murder people
and KNOW HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT & he could be going along with everything (quietly surrendering ) because he is still
possibly living out the rest of his PLANS or else he would have killed himself, too.

(just my dramatic opinion, of course)

Horn
23rd July 2012, 08:24 PM
December 13, 1987

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Sagittarius2.jpg/240px-Sagittarius2.jpg

Glass
23rd July 2012, 08:35 PM
I think this is a psy-op gone WRONG/Backfired! I don't think he was brainwashable.....he could still be sane but is acting out the insanity so welllll.
He's tooooo smart.......WAYYYY tooo smart.....it could come out in a trial that he could tell the truth about exposing the details (perhaps with proof) of his experience of being psy-op'd. He could have went along with it because he wanted to murder people
and KNOW HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT & he could be going along with everything (quietly surrendering ) because he is still
possibly living out the rest of his PLANS or else he would have killed himself, too.

(just my dramatic opinion, of course)

I think the guy was pshyop'd. I get the feeling he's a bit like the souldier they patsied back a couple months ago. Who killed the 17 or 18 people. Flew himself in several helicopters, landed, killed a few people then drove to the next town and killed some more then did what? I don't know. Flew the several helicopters back to base?

I just finished reading the stuff on mind control slaves (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62483-Formula-Used-To-Create-an-Undetectable-Total-Mind-Controlled-Slave). The dazed look suggests he doesn't recollect the events. Thats probably why he didn't escape. He didn't know he should because he didn't know about anything that happened in side the theatre.

I wonder what was in his book collection?

I'm also amazed at how quickly they came up with information such as gun and ammo purchases for the last 4 months or what ever. They seem to know a lot about people very quickly sometimes. It's handy to build a narrative isn't it? Having all these facts within hours of the event going down. I mean damn, who needs the police to go looking into the facts of things when it's all done, already.

Serpo
23rd July 2012, 08:41 PM
Comprehensive timeline: Aurora Massacre (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/)

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/

Horn
23rd July 2012, 08:57 PM
3240

What's with the pink flip-fops?

osoab
24th July 2012, 03:14 AM
3240

What's with the pink flip-fops?

I never noticed them earlier.

I do see they are using a "Total Station". I have no fucking idea why. http://www.trimble.com/survey/Total-Stations.aspx
Looks like a complete waste of time to measure from the fucking door to the damn sidewalk. I don't see any need to map the elevation of the different sidewalk cracks either.

I see five guys, minimum, that are having a fairly easy day playing with toys.

Serpo
24th July 2012, 03:25 AM
What's with the pink flip-fops?


Remember you are dealing with the joker..................

Glass
24th July 2012, 03:45 AM
I never noticed them earlier.

I do see they are using a "Total Station". I have no fucking idea why. http://www.trimble.com/survey/Total-Stations.aspx
Looks like a complete waste of time to measure from the fucking door to the damn sidewalk. I don't see any need to map the elevation of the different sidewalk cracks either.

I see five guys, minimum, that are having a fairly easy day playing with toys.

It will be useful for baffling the jury. Science and all that

Horn
24th July 2012, 04:46 AM
Remember you are dealing with the joker..................

They did say he was apprehended all in black.

If they were lost by someone, you'd think the flip-flops would be farther apart.

Was like they were removed there.

The standard clip must be a replacement for the 100 drum mentioned. Though the timeline does seem short to me, to get off that many rounds.

PatColo
24th July 2012, 05:33 AM
I wonder what was in his book collection?

Catcher in the Rye (http://www.henrymakow.com/catcher_in_the_rye.html) maybe?

Son-of-Liberty
24th July 2012, 06:27 AM
At this point I am pretty certain that Holmes is the patsy. If there was MKULTRA stuff being used on him it was only to make him so bat shit crazy that he will not remember what really happened to him.

Something that stood out to me was that the weapons and ammo Holmes allegedly purchased were done mail order. So while he was locked away being subjected to mind control someone else could have purchased everything in his name and rigged up his apartment.

So no eyewitnesses can confirm that he was in fact the shooter or that he himself bought the weapons. Since no one saw anyone's face though they can't really deny it either. This allows one or more black ops agents to do the shooting and then Holmes is left at the scene wearing no gear and drugged out of his mind.

Another thing that caught my attention was the AR-15 dropped right outside the theater. I think the real shooter dropped it immediately upon exiting the theater just in case some cops showed up early he didn't want to get shot.

JDRock
24th July 2012, 07:21 AM
i just wish for ONCE, one of these things would free itself from our well deserved suspicions. When will we see all the evidence brought forth in an honest and timely manner, tapes, harddrives, weapon reciepts, money trail....cops not rushing to judgement untill eyewitnesses were interviewed
! I hate the "conspiracy theory" tag i always get, but folks, this isnt rocket science...things are NOT adding up, especially MOTIVE! If there is no conspiracy, then the authorities and media are doing a damn good job of making it seem like one.

PatColo
24th July 2012, 07:33 AM
^^ Liberty, a scenario like that crossed my mind too - IE a hapless & drugged Holmes being dumped at the scene with orange hair, as the real black ops guys who did the deed were whisked away. Holmes apprehended etc, "wakes up" in a jail cell, finding himself the designated star of a nightmare.

Just one possible black op scenario; even if Holmes was an MK Ultra victim, the spooks who scripted & carried out the deed wouldn't have trusted a 24yo patsy to do everything like clockwork, similar to not trusting 19 Arab patsies to do everything according to script on 9/11.

Holmes had no mil background right? Was he a regular at the Aurora area shooting ranges, getting proficient with the AR? handguns?

DMac
24th July 2012, 07:37 AM
Thanks for the reddit link Serpo, some good info there. I just read through most of this thread and I have to agree with lots of it. There was an accomplice and it's not being talked about (again and this is the first red flag). The shooter's entrance required help. Where is all the security camera footage, both theater and local area businesses, traffic..no footage we can see? They are editing out the person that let the shooter in and then escaped in the car nearby.

Holmes was from a poor area. A phd student in neuroscience. He was no fool but all that gear was not cheap. The training to use it is not cheap and if you live in an apt building, moving an AR 15 in and out for practice without people seeing and questioning you is not easy. On top of maintaining a presence in school where training for a freaking phd in neuroscience.

Was he drugged? Probably. Was there someone else that did the shooting? Sure could be. This thing stinks worse than "Iran blew up the Israeli tourists!"

This caught my eye from the Reddit link:

Sailor, airman killed in ‘Batman’ shooting (http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/07/navy-air-force-buckley-batman-shooting-victim-sailor-confirmed-072112w/)

Navy Cryptologic Technician 3rd Class John Larimer, 27
Air Force Staff Sgt. Jesse Childress, 29, a reservist and cyber systems operator

Both were assigned to units based at Buckley Air Force Base, Colo.

There were 5 sailors in the theater in total, all were attached to Navy Information Operations Command, Colorado. That command falls under the Navy’s cyber command and the U.S. 10th Fleet.

These folks might have a clue if the other guys were involved in stuff they shouldn't have been. Maybe came across some info they should not have seen.


So tragic and yet more tragedy to come as everyone calls to daddy gov for help.

What a mess.

Libertytree
24th July 2012, 07:37 AM
I agree JD, it would seem even to a casual observer that 1+1 is not equaling 2 in any shape, form or fashion. It's so out of whack that one might think that even the sheep would catch onto all of the irregularities going on. From the photo's alone something is not "right", it just seems so evident. Then the eyewitnesses, especially the chick with the cockeyed smirk and laughter, WTF? How the general public isn't picking up on this is (not surprising) is baffling. Is it that hard to see through lies and bullshit?

DMac
24th July 2012, 07:39 AM
^ a scenario like that crossed my mind too - IE a drugged Holmes being dumped at the scene with pink hair, as the real black ops guys who did the deed were whisked away. Holmes apprehended etc, "wakes up" in a jail cell, finding himself the designated star of a nightmare.

Just one possible black op scenario; even if Holmes was an MK Ultra victim, the spooks who scripted & carried out the deed wouldn't have trusted a 24yo patsy to do everything like clockwork, similar to not trusting 19 Arab patsies to do everything according to script on 9/11.


Exactly.

Glass
24th July 2012, 07:41 AM
The standard clip must be a replacement for the 100 drum mentioned. Though the timeline does seem short to me, to get off that many rounds.

This is a good point. Where's the drum? Will the drum they present (if any) fit that gun? Could the gun still be fired with this drum attachement?

JohnQPublic
24th July 2012, 07:44 AM
This may be one of many scenes of internal battles within the "TPTB". The more they become public, the more intense and desperate one or both sides (or many sides) are getting.

Awoke
24th July 2012, 08:22 AM
Aurora Massacre: What Does the Location of the Gas Mask Tell Us? What About Security Cameras? Are They Related? (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/)

Posted on July 22, 2012 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
As I was scanning through a number of heart breaking photos (http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2012/07/20/mass-shooting-aurora-colorado-movie-theater/5738/) from the aftermath of the Dark Knight massacre in Aurora Co. this morning, I noticed something very interesting;

Photo 56 shows the gas mask on the ground beside a bloodstain. The mask is marked as exhibit #1 and the stain is marked as exhibit #3.

Photo 60 shows the exit door and the AR on the ground, and the AR is marked as exhibit #26. (A far cry from #1 and #3)

Were there two shooters and two exits?


Even more strange is photos 61 and 62, in which the bloody escape route in shown to continue past the vehicle they are investigating. The shooter didn't even go near that vehicle. Look at the footprints.


http://denverpost.slideshowpro.com/albums/001/496/album-343512/cache/shooting203.sJPG_950_2000_0_75_0_50_50.sJPG?134312 7665

http://denverpost.slideshowpro.com/albums/001/496/album-343512/cache/shooting202.sJPG_950_2000_0_75_0_50_50.sJPG?134312 7665

WTF is going on here?

sirgonzo420
24th July 2012, 08:32 AM
Pink flip flops?

The shooter was supposedly wearing combat boots.


http://denverpost.slideshowpro.com/albums/001/496/album-343512/cache/shooting201.sJPG_950_2000_0_75_0_50_50.sJPG?134312 7665

horseshoe3
24th July 2012, 08:46 AM
Even more strange is photos 61 and 62, in which the bloody escape route in shown to continue past the vehicle they are investigating. The shooter didn't even go near that vehicle. Look at the footprints.

And if you look at the splatter pattern, the trail is leading into the theatre. Although it really doesn't look like a splatter pattern or footsteps anyway. It looks like it was drizzled on the pavement.

DMac
24th July 2012, 08:46 AM
The pink flip flops probably belonged to the accomplice as a part of disguise...?

DMac
24th July 2012, 08:47 AM
And if you look at the splatter pattern, the trail is leading into the theatre. Although it really doesn't look like a splatter pattern or footsteps anyway. It looks like it was drizzled on the pavement.

Why is there so much blood on the ground since no one was shot there? I could understand boot prints and some drippings from all the splatter, but that is a lot of blood, no?

Awoke
24th July 2012, 08:55 AM
If people were actually being shot at, and the E-door was open, I assume that some people might have fled out the E-door, and that might explain where the pink flip flops came from too.

Awoke
24th July 2012, 08:59 AM
Where did I hear this guy was from a poor neighborhood?
The gear ($20K) is one thing, but that car is another. Also his school. A lone, struggling student, taking neuroscience? HTF does he afford the tuition alone?

osoab
24th July 2012, 09:11 AM
I was reading this article. And saw a wider photo of the outside.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177294/James-Holmes-broke-girlfriend-just-Dark-Knight-Rises-shooting-spree-Colorado.html#ixzz21Y264k4w


If the bloody foot prints head towards where the gas mask was dropped, why are there no bloody foot prints for the walk back to his car?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/22/article-0-14266620000005DC-122_634x383.jpg

JDRock
24th July 2012, 09:32 AM
funny...isnt a glock 40 and remington 870 and COLT brand ar15, THE choice of the law enfarcement community???
OHHH who could think of such a coincidence!...back to fox news!

Buddha
24th July 2012, 09:55 AM
The pink flip flops probably belonged to the accomplice as a part of disguise...?

Just an enthusiastic Batman fan dressed up going to see the show with his girlfriend.........

Buddha
24th July 2012, 09:58 AM
If people were actually being shot at, and the E-door was open, I assume that some people might have fled out the E-door, and that might explain where the pink flip flops came from too.

But in such a way that they fell and landed right next to the AR-15, one on either side.

slvrbugjim
24th July 2012, 10:09 AM
Why is there so much blood on the ground since no one was shot there? I could understand boot prints and some drippings from all the splatter, but that is a lot of blood, no?

I actually looks like the blood spatter is from someone that has been shot and is bleeding from an artery and in fact is running back into the theater.

Was the real shooter to be picked up after dumping the gas mask to make a get away, but was shot at instead, then ran back into the theater to get away from
the guys that shot him?

Awoke
24th July 2012, 10:23 AM
But in such a way that they fell and landed right next to the AR-15, one on either side.

Yeah I am not saying that it happened that way, just voicing a possibility.

PatColo
24th July 2012, 10:46 AM
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Buddha
24th July 2012, 11:03 AM
Yeah I am not saying that it happened that way, just voicing a possibility.

yep, and I'm just point outing strange shit, this thing is beyond wacky.

Awoke
24th July 2012, 11:06 AM
I hear you, it's totally fucked. We are being led down the garden path.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
24th July 2012, 11:17 AM
Is it possible the killer just WANTS the notoriety? He wants to be famous...he has a message and he wants a chance to speak it...He wants chaos and fear...

Libertytree
24th July 2012, 11:17 AM
Bait and switch? A pro does the dirty work, Holmes is the second guy doing door duty and he's left at the scene all dressed the part and drugged up to take the fall? Pure speculation I know but nothing else is making any sense at all.

JDRock
24th July 2012, 11:20 AM
Bait and switch? A pro does the dirty work, Holmes is the second guy doing door duty and he's left at the scene all dressed the part and drugged up to take the fall? Pure speculation I know but nothing else is making any sense at all. they have been pulling that shiiite since kennedy...both of them.

freespirit
24th July 2012, 11:23 AM
Bait and switch? A pro does the dirty work, Holmes is the second guy doing door duty and he's left at the scene all dressed the part and drugged up to take the fall? Pure speculation I know but nothing else is making any sense at all.

the simplest answer is often the correct one...

osoab
24th July 2012, 11:23 AM
funny...isnt a glock 40 and remington 870 and COLT brand ar15, THE choice of the law enfarcement community???
OHHH who could think of such a coincidence!...back to fox news!


Acutally the AR is a S&W MP15.

Awoke
24th July 2012, 11:29 AM
The biggest question is, who took the phone call and then walked to the E-door and opened it to let the shooter in?

There is a video interview of a witness out there somewhere, and the guy said that he saw that happen. As far as I remember based on what my friend told me, he heard some of the conversation as well. To me, that makes me think there was an intended target there.

Too organized....

osoab
24th July 2012, 11:43 AM
The biggest question is, who took the phone call and then walked to the E-door and opened it to let the shooter in?

There is a video interview of a witness out there somewhere, and the guy said that he saw that happen. As far as I remember based on what my friend told me, he heard some of the conversation as well. To me, that makes me think there was an intended target there.

Too organized....

Interview is back on the first page of this thread.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62441-Incongruent-aspects-of-the-movie-massacre&p=559528&viewfull=1#post559528

Awoke
24th July 2012, 12:58 PM
Thanks Osoab. It's blocked here, so I couldn't see it/didn't know.

freespirit
24th July 2012, 01:25 PM
related....

http://news.sympatico.cbc.ca/world/gun_control_losing_support_in_us_despite_mass_shoo tings/46b898fe


Gun control losing support in U.S. despite mass shootings
23/07/2012 10:15:20 PM
CBC News
In the wake of the mass shooting in Colorado, celebrities who tweeted about the need for tighter gun controls in the U.S. seem to be out of step with the majority of Americans who are more concerned with protecting their right to own guns.


James Holmes is in police custody for the shooting rampage in Colorado (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/23/colorado-theatre-shooting-suspect-court.html) at a screening of The Dark Knight Rises that killed at least 12 people and injured 59 others last Friday.








Jason Alexander, who played George Costanza on the sitcom Seinfeld, was among the celebrities tweeting about the need for stronger gun laws in the U.S., particularly for semi-automatic and automatic weapons. With the debate now raging, he posted a longer version of his argument on TwitLonger (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht).
"These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales," he wrote.
"We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone."
Salman Rushdie on the right to bear arms
Author Salman Rushdie, who has 345,558 followers on Twitter, also jumped into the fray by tweeting, "The 'right to bear arms' is the real Bane of America."
Rushdie, who wrote Midnight's Children and The Satanic Verses, remained active on the issue, replying and retweeting a dozen of his followers' comments.
He also tweeted a reference to his comments after the 1999 Columbine school shootings: "After Columbine I was on Bill Maher's old show arguing vs NRA's Ted Nugent about gun control. Lots of Nugents on my timeline today."
Indeed, polls show that support for stricter gun control has steadily declined in the U.S. over the last two decades.
A 1991 Gallup poll found that 78 per cent of Americans favoured stricter laws on the sale of firearms, 17 per cent wanted the laws kept the same, and just two per cent saying they should be less strict.
By 2011 the numbers had steadily shifted. While the number saying they wanted stricter gun control had fallen to 43 per cent, 44 per cent favoured the status quo and 11 per cent wanted less strict gun control.
That Gallup poll also found that 45 per cent of Americans say they have a gun in their home.
Drop in support for gun control after Obama becomes president
Polls done by the Pew Research Centre also found a similar shift in attitudes over gun control. From 1993 through 2008, majority public opinion consistently landed in favour of gun control.
"We polled in April 2008 and a significant majority said the priority should be controlling gun ownership rather than protecting the right to own guns. By April 2009 it was about 50-50," said Carroll Dougherty, associate director of research at Pew.
In a Pew poll done in April of this year, 49 per cent of Americans said it was more important to protect the rights of Americans to own guns, while 45 per cent said it was more important to control gun ownership.
The shift coincides with President Barack Obama taking office, observes Dougherty.
"There was a reaction to Obama's presidency. There was a growing concern at that time that there would be new restrictions on gun ownership coming down and it had the effect of raising the profile of this issue and mobilizing support for gun rights."
Pew has done six polls on the issue since April 2009. "What's interesting is it has not moved in either direction since then. It's been very stable," said Dougherty.
A partisan issue
Moreover, it's long been a partisan issue but it's even more partisan than ever today, he added.
"Most of the change has come from Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. In 2007, half of Republicans supported gun rights. Now it's 72 per cent. Change among Democrats is very modest" but in the same direction, he said.
And if past polls are any indication, the recent massacre in Colorado is not likely to have much impact on public opinion of gun control.
Pew did polls after two high-profile shootings: the Virginia Tech massacre in April 2007, with 32 killed and 17 wounded, as well as the rampage in Arizona on January 8, 2011 that killed six people and injured 19 others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.
"We have asked this question about gun rights in the wake of high-profile shootings. There has not been a major shift in opinion after those events," said Dougherty.
Mass shootings 'isolated acts?'
In the polls, people were asked, "Do you think this shooting reflects broader problems in American society, or are things like this just the isolated acts of troubled individuals?"
In 2007, 47 per cent said they were isolated acts while 46 per cent said they reflected broader problems in society, such as a breakdown in social values, which was singled out by 37 per cent of respondents.
After the Arizona shootings in 2011, 58 per cent were saying they were isolated acts and 31 per cent said they reflected broader problems in society, like the social or political climate or the lack of mental health services.
Only 14 per cent in 2007 and 13 per cent in 2011 blamed lax gun laws, saying it was too easy to get guns.
While conservatives tended to view the events as isolated incidents, in 2007 liberals tended to see them as part of broader social problems.
"These attitudes are becoming more fixed over time, though it's difficult to say why," said Dougherty.
Gun control and the shooters' motive
Obama has been visibly moved by the recent tragedy, interrupting re-election campaign activities to travel to Colorado to meet with the families of the 12 people who died.
But he has been noticeably reticent about calling for stiffer regulation on gun ownership. In fact, White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Obama remains committed to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which enshrines the right of Americans to bear arms.
According to Carney, the president "believes we need to take steps that protect Second Amendment rights of the American people but that ensure that we are not allowing weapons into the hands of individuals who should not, by existing law, obtain those weapons."
Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney called the shootings "an unspeakable tragedy," but has made no statement on the country's gun laws.
The debate about gun control may be masking the real underlying issues in these high-profile mass shootings, says Scot Wortley, a professor of criminology and socio-legal studies at the University of Toronto.
"I really cannot explain the American public's love affair with guns. We're often not talking about individuals having handguns for protection. The debate has gotten down to whether or not people should be able to have high-powered rifles or weapons that are primarily designed for wartime."
Even in countries with good gun control, mass shootings take place, he adds, pointing to the Norway massacre last summer that killed 77 people and wounded 319 in two separate attacks.
"Norway probably has gun control laws that are as tough, if not tougher, than we have in Canada," Wortley said.
"Beyond the guns themselves, we have to look at what actually motivates someone like [James] Holmes to engage in these acts. Guns make it easier for him to engage in mass homicide than a bat or knife would, but I'm sure his motivation goes much deeper than issues of gun control."

midnight rambler
24th July 2012, 01:32 PM
Holmes received $26K Federal grant, so I guess the 'taxpayers' paid for his adventure -

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/

Osiris
24th July 2012, 02:32 PM
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I hadn't heard about the previous incident there in April. You would think the citizens there would wake up to the fact that gun restrictions do absolutely nothing to protect them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html

Horn
24th July 2012, 02:51 PM
If people were actually being shot at, and the E-door was open, I assume that some people might have fled out the E-door, and that might explain where the pink flip flops came from too.

Who's going to go out the same door the shooter went out of , or came in?

Not me. Maybe someone who wears Pink Flip flops?

But then why remove them once outside?

Libertytree
24th July 2012, 04:19 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-sales-aurora-colorado-shooting-spike-tuscon-161409369--finance.html

Gun sales spike in Colorado after shooting, just like they did in Arizona
Gun sales in Colorado have spiked since last week's massacre, The Denver Post reports (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21142159/gun-sales-up-since-tragedy?source=rss).


Background checks jumped more than 41 percent since Friday's shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" at an Aurora movie theater. Over the weekend, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm, the Post said, an increase of 43 percent over the previous weekend.
"It's been insane," Jake Meyers, an employee at Rocky Mountain Guns and Ammo in Parker, Colo., told the paper.


Spikes in gun sales are not uncommon in the aftermath of mass shootings like the one in Colorado. Following the January 2011 shooting that killed six and wounded more than a dozen others—including former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords—in Tucson, sales of handguns soared more than 60 percent in the state, according to FBI data. Similar spikes were seen after the massacres at Virginia Tech and Columbine.


Some of those seeking to buy guns in Colorado over the weekend said they were seeking to arm themselves for protection in the wake of the shooting, according to the report. But many were likely fearful of a change in gun laws. Democratic state Rep. Rhonda Fields of Aurora told the paper she wants Congress to reinstate a ban on assault weapons.


"When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff," Greg Wolff, an Arizona gun shop owner, told Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-11/glock-pistol-sales-surge-in-aftermath-of-shooting-of-arizona-s-giffords.html) after the rampage in Tucson.
They also get worried when a Democrat is about to take office. Before President Barack Obama's 2008 election, there was a spike in gun sales, and gun shop owners and manufacturers have reported similarly brisk buying in 2012.


"It's definitely the election year," Jason Hanson, a former CIA officer, told Fox News in March (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/gun-sales-off-to-bang-for-election-year/). "People feel that Obama will serve second term and with it their gun rights with taken away, so they are stocking up."


In December, the FBI reported a record number of background checks—1,534,414—sent by gun dealers. "Almost half a million checks were done in just the last six days before Christmas," according to CNN (http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-27/us/us_record-gun-sales_1_gun-sales-gun-dealers-gun-sports?_s=PM:US). In 2010, the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/nics) received more than 14 million requests, more than in any other year.


James Holmes, the suspected shooter in Friday's massacre, was found with a military-style AR-15 assault rifle, two Glock .40-caliber pistols and a Remington 12-gauge shotgun when he was arrested outside the theater in Aurora. And like Jared Loughner, the accused killer in the Tucson massacre, Holmes purchased the guns legally.

JDRock
24th July 2012, 05:16 PM
funny...isnt a glock 40 and remington 870 and COLT brand ar15, THE choice of the law enfarcement community???
OHHH who could think of such a coincidence!...back to fox news!
as well as swat team gear,and tear gas...i so looks like he was sitting in the car higher than a kite and a few swat guys came in and shot everybody up..>:(

sirgonzo420
24th July 2012, 05:29 PM
as well as swat team gear,and tear gas...i so looks like he was sitting in the car higher than a kite and a few swat guys came in and shot everybody up..>:(

Someone told me that they saw a video of him in the car drugged, but I haven't seen it.

Horn
24th July 2012, 08:16 PM
as well as swat team gear,and tear gas...i so looks like he was sitting in the car higher than a kite and a few swat guys came in and shot everybody up..>:(

Right, maybe he rigged his apartment first... for Blackwater who was after him after finding a cure for cancer.

They then chased him in his pink flip flops to rear of the movie theater after calling his friend inside to come out, afterwards they smoked the place.

Heavy brain drugs & brainwashing are now used to cover him up as evidence.

JDRock
24th July 2012, 08:20 PM
Right, maybe he rigged his apartment first... for Blackwater who was after him after finding a cure for cancer.

They then chased him in his pink flip flops to rear of the movie theater after calling his friend inside to come out, afterwards they smoked the place.

Heavy brain drugs & brainwashing are now used to cover him up as evidence.have you been paying attention at all to this thread? what use is your comment?...

k-os
24th July 2012, 08:25 PM
have you been paying attention at all to this thread? what use is your comment?...

Alright, you've been around long enough to know that Horn is . . . how shall I say this . . . unique. :)

Horn
24th July 2012, 08:35 PM
have you been paying attention at all to this thread? what use is your comment?...

I was simply repeat summarizing (with detail) what you stated.

Pink flip-flops were the only addition.

Son-of-Liberty
25th July 2012, 06:17 AM
Someone told me that they saw a video of him in the car drugged, but I haven't seen it.

This is what I think happened. He also looked drugged in court.

Son-of-Liberty
25th July 2012, 06:20 AM
Is it possible the killer just WANTS the notoriety? He wants to be famous...he has a message and he wants a chance to speak it...He wants chaos and fear...

I thought this scenario through and it doesn't add up. If that is what he wanted why tell the cops about the booby traps? Why did he look like he couldn't stay awake or concentrate in court? If you wanted notoriety you think he would be grand standing in court.

PlatinumBlonde
25th July 2012, 06:53 AM
Don't they MKULTRA people through drugs?

Him being drugged fits my mkultra narrative furthermore it looked like he had sanpaku..

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 07:23 AM
Don't they MKULTRA people through drugs?

Him being drugged fits my mkultra narrative furthermore it looked like he had sanpaku..

Speaking of sanpaku and MKULTRA, I find that often, mind control victims tend to be very wide-eyed, sometimes so much so that white is visible all around.

The "official story" is that Holmes took Vicodin before the attack, but I have a feeling other drugs were involved...

MKULTRA is very real and quite sophisticated. The human brain is the most complex "thing" there is in the known Universe, and MKULTRA scientists have had many years, billions of dollars, and many lives/minds by which they could perfect such a system.

According to this article, when police put evidence bags on his hands to preserve the gunpowder residue, Holmes pretended they were puppets.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178304/James-Holmes-Gunman-used-police-evidence-bags-hand-puppets-mother-admits-feared-disturbed-years.html

JDRock
25th July 2012, 07:33 AM
I was simply repeat summarizing (with detail) what you stated.

Pink flip-flops were the only addition....sorry, the seriousness of this topic has me on edge....so i didnt get the post ;) carry on.

Santa
25th July 2012, 07:44 AM
According to this article, when police put evidence bags on his hands to preserve the gunpowder residue, Holmes pretended they were puppets.

That poor bastard probably has less idea about what happened than we do.

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 07:48 AM
That poor bastard probably has less idea about what happened than we do.

This might come out as awful... but he is the only verifiable victim that I have seen in this tragedy. I've heard rumors of many others, but I really feel sorry for this guy.

madfranks
25th July 2012, 07:51 AM
In my mind there's absolutely no doubt he was drugged out of his mind. I'm just not certain whether he did the actual shooting or was just the fall guy.

On a side note, a relative of mine works as a leader of a group home, which houses developmentally disabled adults, and some of them are on heavy psychotropic medication. I've been told stories, and seen first hand the level of detachment from reality that some of these mind altering prescription drugs can do to a person.

Horn
25th July 2012, 07:56 AM
...sorry, the seriousness of this topic has me on edge....so i didnt get the post ;) carry on.

Understandable, the courts and police department are already moving as if there has been a confession.

The rigged apartment confession is the only one I've seen, and after observing the entire case seems most suspicious.

Along with the pink flip-flops of course.

PlatinumBlonde
25th July 2012, 08:03 AM
Speaking of sanpaku and MKULTRA, I find that often, mind control victims tend to be very wide-eyed, sometimes so much so that white is visible all around.

The "official story" is that Holmes took Vicodin before the attack, but I have a feeling other drugs were involved...

MKULTRA is very real and quite sophisticated. The human brain is the most complex "thing" there is in the known Universe, and MKULTRA scientists have had many years, billions of dollars, and many lives/minds by which they could perfect such a system.

According to this article, when police put evidence bags on his hands to preserve the gunpowder residue, Holmes pretended they were puppets.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178304/James-Holmes-Gunman-used-police-evidence-bags-hand-puppets-mother-admits-feared-disturbed-years.html

Unbelievably fabulous that I finally speaking with someone who knows what sanpaku is!

In the court appearace of this guy he had yang sanpaku much like Charles Manson did.

I agree with you about MKULTRA and think that these people are drugged heavily over a long period of time thus resulting in sanpaku.

I've researched this for some time now(years actually) and I seem to find sanpaku in cases of mass killers of strangers and even those guys that kill their whole family. Also started to look up mid eastern 'terrorists' and lo and behold I see sanpaku whenever I am able to find a photo.

Oh by the way, if you look at Charles Manson current pics he has no sanpaku..

Horn
25th July 2012, 08:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DN5AaG3ctoY#!

PlatinumBlonde
25th July 2012, 08:46 AM
I think this guy is a patsy..

BrewTech
25th July 2012, 08:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DN5AaG3ctoY#!

Looks like that dude is struggling to understand what is going on. He knows there is something bad happening, but all he hears is "wah wah wah".

He's obviously drugged.

Santa
25th July 2012, 09:02 AM
Who's blood was all over the sidewalk, anyway? Each spurt was easily an 1/8 cup. How much blood can someone lose
before they pass out?

There's an assumption that it was the shooters(Holmes??) blood, but in the courtroom, Holmes looked doped up, not shot up.

Also, if Holmes had been bleeding like a stuck pig while moving, shouldn't there be a pool of blood by his car, where he supposedly gave himself up to the cops?

MNeagle
25th July 2012, 09:04 AM
Too bad we don't see the part where the Judge asks: "Do you understand the charges brought against you?"

Who or how it was answered for him... (if this is the part of procedure where they ask that).

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 09:07 AM
Who's blood was all over the sidewalk, anyway? Each spurt was easily an 1/8 cup. How much blood can someone lose
before they pass out?

There's an assumption that it was the shooters(Holmes??) blood, but in the courtroom, Holmes looked doped up, not shot up.

Also, if Holmes had been bleeding like a stuck pig while moving, shouldn't there be a pool of blood by his car, where he supposedly gave himself up to the cops?

You're probably one of those guys who wonder why they immediately shipped the 9/11 WTC steel to China as scrap at under market value...

Horn
25th July 2012, 09:17 AM
I think this guy is a patsy..

What's also interesting is his relocation to Aurora, Colorado.

Were there reasons given for that, is it just cheaper to school there for someone as smart as this guy appeared at one time?

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/24/colorado-shooting-2012-or-1984/

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ada4.jpg
(http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/24/colorado-shooting-2012-or-1984/)

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 09:17 AM
Too bad we don't see the part where the Judge asks: "Do you understand the charges brought against you?"

Who or how it was answered for him... (if this is the part of procedure where they ask that).

I believe they will do that on Monday.

But his public defender will likely enter a not guilty plea for him when the time comes.

MNeagle
25th July 2012, 09:39 AM
EXCLUSIVE: ‘Dark Knight’ massacre suspect wants to know how the movie ended

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-massacre-suspect-movie-ended-article-1.1121478#ixzz21eYimzut

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 09:42 AM
Unbelievably fabulous that I finally speaking with someone who knows what sanpaku is!

In the court appearace of this guy he had yang sanpaku much like Charles Manson did.

I agree with you about MKULTRA and think that these people are drugged heavily over a long period of time thus resulting in sanpaku.

I've researched this for some time now(years actually) and I seem to find sanpaku in cases of mass killers of strangers and even those guys that kill their whole family. Also started to look up mid eastern 'terrorists' and lo and behold I see sanpaku whenever I am able to find a photo.

Oh by the way, if you look at Charles Manson current pics he has no sanpaku..

I am familiar with a great deal of "alternative"/"esoteric"/"occult" information, but here one is likely to be witch-hunted, so I try to refrain from posting too much... ;D

I'm certainly not an expert on this particular subject, but I have thought of yin sanpaku (white visible underneath) as receptive to danger, as yin is the receptive aspect, and yang sanpaku (white visible above) as being more aggressive, and likely to create danger, as yang is the masculine/willful aspect of the yin-yang duality.

With some mind control victims, they display both sanpaku simultaneousl; WIDE-EYED, which makes sense in more ways than one.

Here's a couple quick pics:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk285/rackitt/hillary-clinton-eyes.jpghttp://i33.tinypic.com/14o9h8i.jpghttp://nursemyra.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/manson3.gif

Gingrich's wife's eyes are just fuckin' weird:

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp214/preeto_f01/slide_1654_22659_large.jpghttp://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000WLVfXuVEKTU/s/850/850/March-4.jpg

Charles Manson is quite a bit different now than he once was... although he is as much a victim as those his "Family" killed.

Awoke
25th July 2012, 09:50 AM
That's creepy, seeing those two pictures with each other, it almost looks like Manson had a sex change in prison.


Anyways, what is the name of that drug that we had a thread on, that makes you virtually into a hypnotized slave?

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 09:54 AM
That's creepy, seeing those two pictures with each other, it almost looks like Manson had a sex change in prison.


Anyways, what is the name of that drug that we had a thread on, that makes you virtually into a hypnotized slave?

Scopolamine.

Just heard that the gunman allegedly sent a notebook to a psychiatrist.

edit for link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

PlatinumBlonde
25th July 2012, 09:55 AM
Sanpaku is not limited to esoterica per se but could indicate drugging among other medical condition and even dietery conditions. In this instance it indicates drugging ie mind control drugs..

By the by Kennedy had sanpaku and he had adrenal disease(Addison's disease). Adrenal conditions and even diabetes can cause sanpaku..

Uncle Salty
25th July 2012, 09:56 AM
Mrs. Gingrich looks like a total Monarch Beta.

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 10:04 AM
Sanpaku is not limited to esoterica per se but could indicate drugging among other medical condition and even dietery conditions. In this instance it indicates drugging ie mind control drugs..

By the by Kennedy had sanpaku and he had adrenal disease(Addison's disease). Adrenal conditions and even diabetes can cause sanpaku..

Right. Sanpaku is physiological. I just meant that here it may be viewed as esoterica by some.

It is interesting to notice when looking at someone's eyes though.

Awoke
25th July 2012, 10:10 AM
Just heard that the gunman allegedly sent a notebook to a psychiatrist.

edit for link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

I haven't read the article you linked yet, but my initial impression based on your sentence was the same as my impression when the "terrorists" passports were found laying on the ground near the twin towers after the planes and building were incinerated: Convenient.

mick silver
25th July 2012, 10:10 AM
people or persons who did this just gave me one more reason NOT to leave home without my gun on my side .

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 10:16 AM
I haven't read the article you linked yet, but my initial impression based on your sentence was the same as my impression when the "terrorists" passports were found laying on the ground near the twin towers after the planes and building were incinerated: Convenient.

Excellent comparison.

PlatinumBlonde
25th July 2012, 10:32 AM
Right. Sanpaku is physiological. I just meant that here it may be viewed as esoterica by some.

It is interesting to notice when looking at someone's eyes though.

I have a friend that has had it on and off and when I see it I know she's been eating a bunch of sugar..

k-os
25th July 2012, 12:17 PM
Right. Sanpaku is physiological. I just meant that here it may be viewed as esoterica by some.

It is interesting to notice when looking at someone's eyes though.

You guys are freaking me out. My sister's eyes look like that. Now I am going to be afraid of her at Thanksgiving. :)

osoab
25th July 2012, 12:21 PM
You guys are freaking me out. My sister's eyes look like that. Now I am going to be afraid of her at Thanksgiving. :)

Just don't let her carve the turkey. :D

JohnQPublic
25th July 2012, 12:29 PM
...

Just heard that the gunman allegedly sent a notebook to a psychiatrist.

edit for link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

How convenient:

"James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com (http://FoxNews.com)"

JohnQPublic
25th July 2012, 12:32 PM
No sanpaku?

3244

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 12:37 PM
No sanpaku?

3244

it's not always visible


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwE5HOPP1Rjk7mm2kA-c24AtN8d7xa3E8bjLAQXUtibY92EJCbE8UJuqci

Glass
25th July 2012, 04:42 PM
The "official story" is that Holmes took Vicodin before the attack, but I have a feeling other drugs were involved...

Maybe there was something other than Vicodin in the medication bottle.


According to this article, when police put evidence bags on his hands to preserve the gunpowder residue, Holmes pretended they were puppets.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2178304/James-Holmes-Gunman-used-police-evidence-bags-hand-puppets-mother-admits-feared-disturbed-years.html

Perhaps this was to ensure he had gunpowder residue on his hands..... as in the bags contained residue before they were put on his hands.

Serpo
25th July 2012, 05:14 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/paroledicinema5/marty_feldman.jpg

Cebu_4_2
25th July 2012, 05:36 PM
Whoaa!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3CLfVe8Xg&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3CLfVe8Xg&feature=share

i went to the local courthouse, the marshalls, and the FBI, and they all took this information very seriously. If we all go, it is only way in which an actual investigation will occur into such a high level of corruption. Obviously the executive branch will have to change this from the bottom up. So you must do this. Obama is smack dab in the middle of this cover up, as you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbPy7TKe7E

I need someone to download and upload this interview which shows clear green(blue)-screen activity which is an attempt to corroborate the "Allie neck wound" story. http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/1749079286001/

This is the other guy who has been investigating the gas mask: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-loca... (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/)

There is also a white/yellow trash bag seen by this far corner. The man was probably supposed to place his gas mask and knife in the bag and run towards the road with this bag of equipment, but he does not do this out of fear of being caught by the incoming officers.

Strange: Conspiracy theory sites are ignoring this.

osoab
25th July 2012, 05:38 PM
I was perusing GLP. They have a thread where a guy has the download (mp3) of the cops and firefighters.

Thread. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1933765/pg1

mp3 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fke4znr%2FAuror aCoShooting%2FAuroraCoAudio1211am0241am.mp3

The cops are on the right audio channel. Fire is on the left audio channel.

I am listening to the cop portion now. The excitement starts around 28:00. At 42:45 listen. Whoever is speaking almost flubs. He says assault rifle .... we have magazines, everyone watch out for the assault rifle.

Somewhere in the 30-40 time frame they state the shooter is wearing blue and white stripes.

I know it is from GLP, but I haven't been there for months and I have got no virus or malware.

Cebu_4_2
25th July 2012, 05:53 PM
another video, one shooter was out in front of the theater trying to get inside... watch:

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/1749079286001/

Uncle Salty
25th July 2012, 08:24 PM
Whoaa!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3CLfVe8Xg&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3CLfVe8Xg&feature=share

i went to the local courthouse, the marshalls, and the FBI, and they all took this information very seriously. If we all go, it is only way in which an actual investigation will occur into such a high level of corruption. Obviously the executive branch will have to change this from the bottom up. So you must do this. Obama is smack dab in the middle of this cover up, as you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbPy7TKe7E

I need someone to download and upload this interview which shows clear green(blue)-screen activity which is an attempt to corroborate the "Allie neck wound" story. http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/1749079286001/

This is the other guy who has been investigating the gas mask: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-loca... (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/)

There is also a white/yellow trash bag seen by this far corner. The man was probably supposed to place his gas mask and knife in the bag and run towards the road with this bag of equipment, but he does not do this out of fear of being caught by the incoming officers.

Strange: Conspiracy theory sites are ignoring this.

So, I wonder if it will come out that a girl was stabbed to death or severely hurt by a stabbing. An autopsy would show that or I would think the parents would come forward to tell the story of their girl surviving stab wounds behind the theater.

Finally, if the surveillance videos are not released, we know for sure it is a cover up.

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 08:30 PM
So, I wonder if it will come out that a girl was stabbed to death or severely hurt by a stabbing. An autopsy would show that or I would think the parents would come forward to tell the story of their girl surviving stab wounds behind the theater.

Finally, if the surveillance videos are not released, we know for sure it is a cover up.


from: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/23/man-describes-face-to-face-encounter-with-gunman-in-colorado-theater/ video at link


Eric Hunter was in theater 8 of Century 16 multiplex when James Holmes allegedly began his shooting rampage in theater 9. Hunter described hearing real gunfire and seeing smoke about 30 minutes into ‘The Dark Knight Rises.’ Hunter said that he saw blood on the stairs of the theater, and quickly turned to his friends, telling them they needed to get out and call the police.
Hunter quickly made his way to the emergency exit to see if he and his friends could escape the theater that way.There, he saw two young women at the door, one of whom had been shot, and let them inside theater 8. It was at that moment that he saw the gunman approaching the door. “He was coming my way at a pretty good pace. I didn’t want to take a chance so I closed the door. He was banging on the door for about five seconds and then he stopped,” Hunter said.

Horn
25th July 2012, 09:31 PM
There, he saw two young women at the door, one of whom had been shot, and let them inside theater 8.

So they were waiting on the other side of the emergency exit for rescue?

Their stories would be interesting, seems it also could point to more than one shooter...

sirgonzo420
25th July 2012, 09:33 PM
So they were waiting on the other side of the emergency exit for rescue?

Their stories would be interesting.

Wonder if one of them was missing her pink flip flops...?

Glass
25th July 2012, 09:51 PM
This is the other guy who has been investigating the gas mask: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-loca... (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/aurora-massacre-what-does-the-location-of-the-gas-mask-tell-us-what-about-security-cameras-are-they-related/)


So reading this guys stuff puts a second shooter on the scene who did a runner for the street and a possible get away.

Does that blood leading from the fire exit to the street suggest that the shooter was hit during the rampage? Did someone return fire?

midnight rambler
25th July 2012, 10:06 PM
So reading this guys stuff puts a second shooter on the scene who did a runner for the street and a possible get away.

Does that blood leading from the fire exit to the street suggest that the shooter was hit during the rampage? Did someone return fire?

Blood splatter pattern clearly indicates progress TOWARD the exit door rather than FROM it, which raises a number of questions on its own. Another incongruent aspect.

Horn
25th July 2012, 10:18 PM
Blood splatter pattern clearly indicates progress TOWARD the exit door rather than FROM it, which raises a number of questions on its own. Another incongruent aspect.

Right, that part seems to be a fairly good observation of that evidence.

Once the shooter exited in that fashion (with victim in tow) he should have not been able to re-enter easily.

Should the blood trail victim be found at the exit? Which did not permit re-entry? Or pulled back-in? Could also point to more shooters.

The gask mask, and riot shield could have just been left overs from a police presence.

The more you look at this thing the less it seems one crazy fucker did it.

Cebu_4_2
25th July 2012, 10:40 PM
No clue about this:

July 25, 2012 A highly disturbing Ministry of Finance (http://www.minfin.ru/en/) report on the largest bank fraud in history that is circulating in the Kremlin today warns that it is “within the realm of possibility” that the shocking movie massacre in Colorado this past week is but another “integral part” in the deliberate plan put in place by Western banking elites and their allies to collapse the global economy.
The massacre cited in this report is being referred to as the “2012 Aurora Shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting)” wherein suspect James Holmes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes) [photo 2nd left] is purported to have opened fire during the playing of a movie killing 12 and injuring 58 in one of the worst mass shootings in recent US history.
Interestingly, this report notes, James Holmes is extremely intelligent, a gifted scientist and grew up in an affluent neighborhood; an eerie similarity (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/lost-soul/2012/jul/22/eerie-similarities-holmes-cunanan-gardner-mcveigh-/) he shares with other noted American killers of the past 3 decades including Andrew Cunanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cunanan), John Gardner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Albert_Gardner), John Hinckley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley,_Jr.), Timothy McVeigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh), Ted Kaczynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski), Eric Harris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold) and Dylan Klebold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold).
Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system.
Robert Holmes (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a), whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/colorado-shooter-james-holmes-family-history-goes-back-to-the-mayflower.html), is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.
Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FICO), which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.
The massive banking crime being investigated by the US Senate is called the LIBOR Scandal (http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/07/17/the-libor-scandal-explained/) where UK banks fixed the London Interbank Borrowing Rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor) with the complicity of the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve (which knew about this crime for 4 years and didn’t report it (http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_21073397/new-york-federal-reserve-knew-about-libor-manipulation)) and many other major Western banks.
Not known to the majority of those affected by this LIBOR rate scandal (which is everyone in the world) is that its historically low setting of interests rates since the beginning of the Global Financial Crisis of 2007-2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932012_global_financial_crisis) has done more to destroy the life savings, stock investments and retirements of Americas middle class than any other single event in their entire history.
Even worse, according to this report, Holmes recently completed his work on what is called one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed that not only uncovered the true intent of this massive fraud, but is, also, able to trace the Trillions of Dollars “lost” to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who have stolen it.
Ministry intelligence officials note in this report that it is “no coincidence” that this Colorado massacre occurred within minutes of London’s Guardian News Service releasing their shocking report this past Saturday (21 July) titled “Wealth Doesn't trickle Down – It Just Floods Offshore, Research Reveals (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/offshore-wealth-global-economy-tax-havens?newsfeed=true)” as Robert Holmes algorithms were said used to discover this massive fraud scheme.
Equally curious to note about this massacre is that the American intelligence website TheIntelHub.Com (http://theintelhub.com/) in their 23 July article titled “Hallmarks of a False Flag: Colorado University Held Identical Drill on Same Day as Aurora Theater Mass Shooting, Mind Control, and Multiple Suspects (http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/23/hallmarks-of-a-false-flag-colorado-university-held-identical-drill-on-same-day-as-aurora-theater-mass-shooting-mind-control-and-multiple-suspects/)” states that just mere hours before this shocking crime was committed the Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine was holding an identical drill that simulated a shooter in a movie theater.
The popular InfoWars.Com (http://www.infowars.com/) website further notes (http://www.infowars.com/flashback-us-counterinsurgency-manual-leaked-calls-for-false-flag-operations-suspension-of-human-rights/) that “false flag” events such as the Colorado massacre are actively planned for by the US Army as noted in their training manual titled “Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/40614235/FOREIGN-INTERNAL-DEFENSE-TACTICS-TECHNIQUES-AND-PROCEDURES-FOR)”.
Even though the true objective of this massacre was may never be known, it is more than interesting to note that some in the “mainstream” US media are not accepting the “official line,” such as Fox News reporter Ben Swann from their WXIX-FOX19 station out of Cincinnati, Ohio, who asks:
“Why did Holmes go to the expense and trouble of rigging his apartment with an array of deadly explosives and then immediately tell police about the bombs when he was arrested? If Holmes wanted to kill as many people as possible, why warn the cops ahead of time? (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)
Given the fact that Holmes was a graduate student in neuroscience, where did he obtain the skills to create a maze of bombs so complex that it took the FBI two days to disarm them? According to experts, the intricacy of the bombs was reminiscent of war zones – how could Holmes have set all this up without help from an explosives expert? (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)
Despite police claiming “every single indicator” tells them the shooting was a lone wolf attack, numerous witnesses have described accomplices. Initial police reports that suggested the involvement of two or more shooters were quickly buried and the lone wolf narrative aggressively pushed. (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)
As Swann points out, eyewitnesses interviewed after the shooting such as Corbin Dates state that Holmes received a phone call from someone while he was inside the theater and responded by moving to the emergency exit, suggesting the call was an accomplice coordinating the attack. (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)
Dates also said he saw Holmes by the exit door “signaling somebody or looking for somebody to come his way. (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)
Another eyewitness added, “From what we saw he wasn’t alone – he had someone with him. Because the second can of tear gas didn’t come from his side.” (http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-channel-questions-narrative-of-batman-massacre/)

Horn
25th July 2012, 10:51 PM
3253

Something at the link with regards to senate testimony also..

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/07/these-arent-same-man.html

Horn
25th July 2012, 10:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y5nOEkbBmsQ#!

PatColo
25th July 2012, 11:13 PM
Thread: How To Foil Your Own Terror Plot - Corbett satire vid (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62513-How-To-Foil-Your-Own-Terror-Plot-Corbett-satire-vid)
thread got no replies?! It's half-relevant here, the deviant part being that "they" did commit the act of terror this time, then handed their drugged patsy over on a silver platter.


Recall James Corbett also produced the excellent "9/11: A Conspiracy Theory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98)".

5 mins, NSFW (language)

How to Foil Your Own Terror Plot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6LGZtjpdJg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6LGZtjpdJg

Published on Jul 23, 2012 by corbettreport (http://www.youtube.com/user/corbettreport)
This is a public service announcement from The Corbett Report podcast:
http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=5189

Serpo
25th July 2012, 11:49 PM
Shooters Holmes, Hasan, and Loughner All Studied Mind Control July 23, 2012 (http://musicians4freedom.com/2012/07/shooters-holmes-hasan-and-loughner-all-studied-mind-control/) by Vengeancia (http://musicians4freedom.com/author/admin/)
Vengeancia A common thread seems to run through these shooting events and the men who conduct them. In addition to having a similar “look” to them – a blank stare and closed-mouth, toothless Mona Lisa styled-smile, as if a cloned type has been stamped onto their blanked-out personalities – all of these men have had a similar background and/or interest in neuroscience, psychology, and trauma-based mind control. Often, they also display a sudden turn of personality (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/life_of_depraved_sex_VX83ThuIVAk8Fl62xYJyMI#ixzz21 GIfphdV) right before their violent outburst.
You can learn more about trauma-based mind control techniques from Fritz Springmeier (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_springmeier.htm)and also Russ Dizdar. (http://www.shatterthedarkness.net/) The University of Colorado confirmed (http://www.startribune.com/nation/163276716.html?refer=y) that alleged Aurora shooter James Holmes had a federal grant to study neuroscience. Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged Arizona shooter, was also obsessed with mind control. (http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/01/mind-control.html)
According to his brother, Ted Kaczynski was involved in a mind control program: (http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/12/ted-kaczynski-and-cia.html)
http://musicians4freedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ted.jpgUnabomber Ted Kaczynski has the “look” similar to Hasan, Loughner, and now Holmes

“Was my brother, Ted Kaczynski (AKA “the Unabomber”), a sort of “Manchurian candidate” – programmed to kill by our government in a CIA-funded thought-control experiment gone awry? I hope you will excuse the provocative question – especially since I don’t know the answer to it. What I do know is that my brother was a guinea pig in an unethical and psychologically damaging research project conducted at Harvard University where he attended college in the early 1960′s. While it is true that my brother suffers from paranoia, it is also true that he fell victim to a conspiracy of psychological researchers who used deceptive tactics to study the effects of emotional and psychological trauma on unwitting human subjects.”
According to SOTT (http://musicians4freedom.com/2012/07/shooters-holmes-hasan-and-loughner-all-studied-mind-control/Hasan%20was%20commissioned%20as%20a%20captain,%20b ut%20was%20promoted%20to%20major%20in%20May%20this %20year.%20He%20showed%20no%20sign%20of%20physical %20or%20mental%20problems%20in%20medical%20examina tions%20as%20recently%20as%20September.%20%20He%20 was%20posted%20to%20Fort%20Hood%20in%20either%20Ap ril%20or%20July%20%28reports%20conflict%29,%20tryi ng%20to%20avoid%20deployment%20to%20Iraq/Afghanistan%20by%20asking%20a%20lawyer%20to%20inve sigate%20the%20possibility%20of%20exemption.%20Thi s%20failed%20and%20he%20seems%20to%20have%20accept ed%20the%20decision.%20%20The%20only%20image%20of% 20Nidal%20Malik%20Hasan%20initially%20broadcast%20 was%20this%20one%20taken%20from%20the%20website%20 of%20an%20organization%20called%20the%20Center%20f or%20the%20Study%20of%20Traumatic%20Stress:), “Nidal Malik Hasan finished high school in 1995 and enlisted in the army, which put him through medical school.
He graduated from Virginia Tech University in 1997, an institution notorious for the worst mass shooting in the US to date, supposedly carried out by another loner gunman who murdered 32 people “armed with two handguns (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/134595-Va-Tech-panel-gets-gunman-s-records). Echoing Hasan’s superhuman feats, Seung-Hui Cho fired 174 shots in nine minutes in four classrooms.”
http://musicians4freedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mindcontrol2-500x166.jpg
The article goes on to explain:

http://musicians4freedom.com/2012/07/shooters-holmes-hasan-and-loughner-all-studied-mind-control/

midnight rambler
25th July 2012, 11:52 PM
3253



They expect us to buy this shit??

Serpo
26th July 2012, 12:25 AM
His nose looks different ...............

Glass
26th July 2012, 01:03 AM
His nose looks different ...............

But it could just be the way he is holding his mouth. Not sure. I know I can pull my nostrils in closer by breathing strongly through my nose. I feel like the tip of my nose does not move up or down when I do this. The tip of the guy in reds nose looks higher. Ears look the same to me.

Buddha
26th July 2012, 02:25 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1Yz9m.jpg
I will say yes, yes it is.

Buddha
26th July 2012, 02:32 AM
"[if you see discrepancies of the shooting go here] http://pastebin.com/dSGBaGMS

James Holme's father was PhD statistician for FICO

What is the connection between FICO and LIBOR?

Figure that out, and we're one step closer to piecing the puzzle together

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Also the school where the younger Holmes was doing research was previously related with DARPA

The DARPA program was part of the military’s “Peak Soldier Performance Program,” which involved engineering brain-machine interfaces for battlefield use and other bionic projects.

In addition, James Holmes’ father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc., a company that worked with DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking.

The Holmes family appears to have deep connections to the military-industrial complex. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a graduate Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).

Holmes also worked as a research assistant intern at the Salk Institute at the University of California at San Diego in La Jolla. The Salk Institute teamed up with DARPA, Columbia University, University of California at San Francisco, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Wake Forest University, and the candy bar company Mars “to prevent fatigue in combat troops through the enhanced use of epicatechina, a blood flow-increasing and blood vessel-dilating anti-oxidant flavanol found in cocoa and, particularly, in dark chocolate,” according to Madsen’s research.

James Holmes was one of six recipients of a National Institutes of Health Neuroscience Training Grant at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Denver

“The Anschutz Medical Campus is on the recently de-commisioned site of the U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center and is named after Philip Anschutz, the billionaire Christian fundamentalist oil and railroad tycoon who also owns The Examiner newspaper chain and website and the neo-conservative Weekly Standard"

Serpo
26th July 2012, 03:20 AM
I read some where that when his gun jammed he snapped out of the mind control....as being a theory

Buddha
26th July 2012, 03:27 AM
I read some where that when his gun jammed he snapped out of the mind control....as being a theory
Well..... I know that if were in the middle of a shooting spree and my gun jammed, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM,........ click.......

I would be sobered up pretty fast.

Not that I'm saying that he was in control of his actions, just a possibility. More than likely I think the gun jamming/or running out of ammo was his "trigger event". Which ever happened first.

DMac
26th July 2012, 06:55 AM
They expect us to buy this shit??

Bridge of nose is thinner. Eyelids no longer puffy on bottom, bags not the same? Ears do not match. Hair grown longer and dyed. Eyebrows waxed, threaded in left?

Glancing quickly and they appear as 2 completely different people. Studying the pic and I can maybe stretch it to relatives. Same guy? Maybe I need my eyes checked but it does not look like the same guy!

DMac
26th July 2012, 06:56 AM
From http://pastebin.com/dSGBaGMS


>only 2 months to learn about explosives
>SWAT bomb squad can't diffuse bombs and have to call in FBI
>FBI says it was the most elaborate booby trap they'd ever seen
>on unemployment
>buys $20,000 worth of guns and explosives
>officials maintain he propped a door open
>every single witness who has talked to the media says that someone has let him in
>no access to gun range
>911 call from Air Force captain notes "reloads fast...probably military"
>Ph.D student in neuroscience
>gave lector about subjective reality and influencing perception
>suddenly cuts of all contact with school, friends and family 2 months ago
>quits playing WoW, which he had played for years

Possible false flag or psyop? Especially with the UN arms treaty coming up in less then 2 weeks..

And before hurr conspiracy hurr

Remember, MK-Ultra is now declassified. The only reason not to know that the CIA does mind control experiments now is because you

are too deluded to look at the official documents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Also read the article below. Tell me things still dont look suspicious.
http://www.thetorontopost.net/2012/07/aurora-massacre-what-does-location-of.html

Eyewitness testimony of massacre, conflicts with "official" story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcE0V5jVJY

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/aurora-colorado-theater-shooting/
(map, washington post style)

Note - Police though Holmes was part of SWAT because of his mask (he still had mask when arrested) but it was different then the

real SWAT giving him away.

Google: holmes swat noticed something weird

CBSnews for example:

"There are also indications Holmes may have gotten away that morning, if not for observant police officers who noticed something off

about his tactical gear.
"There was one particular piece of equipment that he had on him that was out of place, and I am so proud of my officers that they

spotted that right away and challenged him," Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said on the CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday.
That piece of equipment was a non-regulation gas mask. Holmes was arrested at the scene."

The gas mask that apparently was found like 150 yards away from where he was arrested

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57477595/james-holmes-not-talking-ahead-of-first-court-appearanc
e-after-aurora-theater-shooting/



SUSPICIOUS THINGS ABOUT THE SHOOTING

-people in theater report gas being thrown from 2 sides, official story is 1 shooter
-no one makes note to mention orange hair in describing the shooter to police or in 9-11 calls
-people report opening of the back door
-shooter did not have tickets to movie
-mugshot of holmes vs picture of him before shooting
-short amount of time for police to respond (90sec)
-over time of events from shooting to arrest 3min 30sec
-unknown blood trail where holmes was arrested while he was uninjured, and no body in area, blood trail stops suddenly
-did not resist when approached to be arrested
-revealed booby trapped apartment on own free will, decided not to have it activated
-SWAT admit very complex bombs, calls FBI, FBI says most elaborate thing they have seen
-unemployed poor dropout, 10k+ in gear guns ammo
-family reports he closed all contact with friends and family before shooting
-quit WoW which he played for years
-claims to be joker, has orange hair die, jokers hair is green
-doesnt speak anymore when taken to jail or court
-looks dazed and confused (drugged?)
-police now saying they will no longer reveal details or anything on the matter
-happens less then 2weeks before Obama meets to sign the UN arms treaty that would ban all guns in America
-within hours of the shooting, local and national media have anti gun "experts" as guests talking about gun control
-nations like Japan already using this shooting in their arguments for why America needs to sign UN arms treaty
-though police say he looked like swat, indicating wearing gear when arrived, why was his gear all over the parking lot, and mask

150yrds away?

JDRock
26th July 2012, 08:06 AM
there is more intelligent investigation and detective work on this thread, than anywhere else on the internet/world msm. Its proof that common people ARE smarter than government types anyday!

Santa
26th July 2012, 08:14 AM
I think this whole Aurora Shooting thing is Military (special ops).

What we're witnessing here is WAR being waged on US.

Horn
26th July 2012, 08:43 AM
there is more intelligent investigation and detective work on this thread, than anywhere else on the internet/world msm. Its proof that common people ARE smarter than government types anyday!

Last night I noticed an MSM spot focusing on the cost of medical bills for the injured victims.

Libertytree
26th July 2012, 09:12 AM
I haven't seen this posted here yet and just now read it at another site. The police chief, Oates, stated much the same in a Face the Nation interview Sunday.

The police chief is saying the gas mask was found on him with a rifle . The rifle was found right at Theater 9 exit door where I assume he was apprehended, supposedly with the gas mask. So he had both the rifle and gas mask on him according the Dan Oates (Police Chief), which then the gas mask mysteriously moved 250 feet way? Or was it someone else's gas mask at the corner of the theater? If so, who? I mean the body armor and helmet was stripped off him it appears to be right by the utility enclosure next to his car and there is no mask there, and no mask by the rifle. But the police chief said the mask was on him and I see only 1 mask in the evidence photos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7maaFiQQQP8

Then there's this report from Faux.

(http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25...age-mailed-to/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/)) it states:

Police Chief Oates states that it was the sharp observation of 1 or 2 officers that notice an item of his gear (the gas mask some have said, but Oates also said he would not identify which item it was in another article) did not match the appropriate issued gear and when he was questioned by the officers it was then he was arrested - not when he was removing the armor. So this is a different version of when he was arrested.

DMac
26th July 2012, 09:42 AM
The father seems to be the missing link. Elder and younger Holmes men both connected to DARPA. Projects on creating super soldiers using both chemicals and machinery. He could have been brain washed, used as a project from the beginning, discovered info he shouldn't have known and was made a patsy; there are many unknowns and we are likely not going to get to the bottom of what caused this attack on the people. Watch for the speedy trial.

God knows what may have happened...


http://www.dailypaul.com/246095/james-holmes-father-the-missing-link

http://letsrollforums.com/james-holmes-father-linked-t28325.html?

http://reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/23080

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-affiliate-attempts-to-interview-father-of-theater-shooter-james-holmes-en-route-to-colorado/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/robert-holmes-james-holmes-father-arrives-colorado_n_1690807.html

midnight rambler
26th July 2012, 11:28 AM
Holmes now claims amnesia, which is consistent with being in hypnotic trance during event - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289

JohnQPublic
26th July 2012, 12:29 PM
there is more intelligent investigation and detective work on this thread, than anywhere else on the internet/world msm. Its proof that common people ARE smarter than government types anyday!

That is one reason I use internet names like "JoeSixPack" and "JohnQPublic"

Serpo
26th July 2012, 12:42 PM
http://getreadyportland.com/app/the-storm-is-coming/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-storm-is-coming

joboo
26th July 2012, 12:44 PM
???
http://mortgagemovies.blogspot.ca/2012/07/kingcast-and-mortgage-movies-remain.html

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.


Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7rR7ApN8mgU/UBEtBcDgZZI/AAAAAAAAJXg/PE-f7VUEPVQ/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-07-26+at+7.29.34+AM.png

DMac
26th July 2012, 01:04 PM
???
http://mortgagemovies.blogspot.ca/2012/07/kingcast-and-mortgage-movies-remain.html

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.


Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7rR7ApN8mgU/UBEtBcDgZZI/AAAAAAAAJXg/PE-f7VUEPVQ/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-07-26+at+7.29.34+AM.png


I read this one very early this morning...I'm pretty sure the first place I saw it was Sorcha and oddly, it might be true.

Which makes this even more interesting.

Serpo
26th July 2012, 02:28 PM
US government ran chemical experiments on military veterans under operations MKUltra, Bluebird and Artichoke

Thursday, July 26, 2012 by: J. D. Heyes



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(NaturalNews) The United States, for its warts, has achieved much in its short 230-plus year history. It is a benevolent world superpower, for the most part, that serves as a beacon of hope and freedom for an increasingly oppressed world, even as it serves as a guardian against tyranny for as many as half of the world's nearly seven billion people.

But a few chapters in our history - slavery, oppression of the Native American tribes, causes of the civil rights movement, and moments of unconstitutionality on the part of our elected leaders - serve as more than simple blemishes on an otherwise admirable record of defending liberty and freedom. One such stain is the way we've treated some of our nation's military veterans.

The maltreatment is summed up in a recent federal case. In late July, a group of veterans managed to win a court order forcing the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hand over a trove of documents detailing the department's alleged Cold War-era drug experiments on Vietnam vets. What's problematic about this case isn't the decision - the VA owes these veterans any answers they are seeking - but the fact that the case had to be filed at all.

'Project Paperclip'

According to court documents, U.S. Magistrate Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley, in Oakland, Calif., said in her ruling that the documents requested by the veteran-plaintiffs were "squarely relevant" to their claim that the government, through the VA, did not adequately notify veterans of chemicals they were purposely exposed to during experimentation, and - perhaps more importantly - what effects that exposure might have had on their physical and mental health.

Details of this sad episode in our history were contained in a 2009 class action suit. Filed by the Vietnam Veterans of America and individual soldiers, the suit charges the U.S. Army and the Central Intelligence Agency, with the help of former Nazi scientists, of using at least 7,800 vets as guinea pigs to test the effects of as many as 400 different types of drugs and chemicals. They included mescaline (psychedelic alkaloid), LSD (psychedelic drug), amphetamines, barbiturates, nerve agents and mustard gas.

The suit also says the government worked to cover up the testing and the nature of its experiments, which began in the 1950s under such exotic code names as "Bluebird," "Artichoke" and MKUltra."

The government launched "Project Paperclip," the suit alleges, an all-out effort by the Army and CIA to allegedly recruit former Nazi scientists to help test various psycho-chemicals, as well as develop a new truth serum using the nation's own vets as test subjects, Courthouse News Service reported.

"Over half of these Nazi recruits had been members of the SS or Nazi Party," said the class-action suit. "The 'Paperclip' name was chosen because so many of the employment applications were clipped to immigration papers."

According to Colin A. Ross, a psychiatrist and author of "The CIA Doctors," said he pored over more than 15,000 documents he received from the nation's premier spy agency detailing the "mind control" operations which he said took place between 1950-1972 "at many leading universities including Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Johns Hopkins and Stanford."

The goal, simply, is mind control

In a report posted on the Citizens Commission on Human Rights International's Web site, Ross said "MKUltra and related programs had several over-lapping purposes."

"One was to purchase mind control drugs from suppliers. Another was to form relationships with researchers who might later be used as consultants at the TOP SECRET level," he wrote. "The core purpose of these programs was to learn how to enhance interrogations, erase and insert memories, and create and run Manchurian Candidates."

Ross said all of that is documented "clearly and explicitly" in the declassified CIA documents he obtained, though he said it was merely "a glimpse into the tip of the iceberg of CIA and military mind control."

"The experimental subjects were not told the real purpose of the experiments, did not give informed consent, were not afforded outside counsel and received no meaningful follow-up," he wrote. "As described by the psychiatrists in published papers, experiments with LSD and other hallucinogens, combined with sensory deprivation, electroshock and other interrogation techniques, resulted in psychosis and death among other 'side effects.' The purpose of these experiments was to see how easily a person could be put into a psychotic state or controlled."

In a review of the MKUltra program, which was launched in 1953, Wired.com said its goal was, simply, mind-control.

"1953: The agency launches one of its most dubious covert programs ever, turning unsuspecting humans into guinea pigs for its research into mind-altering drugs," said the report, which said then-Central Intelligence Agency director Allen Dulles authorized the program.

"Dulles wanted to close the 'brainwashing gap' that arose after the United States learned that American prisoners of war in Korea were subjected to mind-control techniques by their captors," said Wired.com.

Programmable assassins

"Loathe to be outdone by foreign enemies, the CIA sought, through its research, to devise a truth serum to enhance the interrogations of POWs and captured spies. The agency also wanted to develop techniques and drugs - such as 'amnesia pills' - to create CIA superagents (sic) who would be immune to the mind-control efforts of adversaries."

The creation of so-called Manchurian Candidates - a programmable assassin, essentially - was also a goal of the program.

Besides drug and chemical experimentation, the program included the use of radiological implants, hypnosis and subliminal persuasion, electroshock therapy and isolation techniques, the report said.

In their suit, the vets level similar charges - that the government was attempting to develop and test substances capable of inducing mind control, euphoria, altered personalities, confusion, physical paralysis, mania, illogical thinking and other effects.

Many of the experiments, the suit says, were conducted at Army facilities at Edgewood Arsenal and Ft. Detrick, Md. Some left a number of veterans saddled with debilitating health problems for decades to follow. Worse, the veterans say the government has neglected to provide follow-up medical care to mitigate the damages.

Some soldiers died from the testing, while others suffered physical and mental ailments including seizures and paranoia, an earlier ruling in the case noted.

In this latest bid for full disclosure, the VVA sought documents from the government that reveal the VA's processes of identifying and notifying soldiers who may have been exposed to the chemical and biological tests.

No relevant medical purposes

In arguing against releasing the documents, attorneys for the VA said the agency should be exempted from doing so by the deliberative process privilege, which aims to shield the decision-making processes of government agencies.

Judge Corley did not buy the argument, ruling instead that that veterans group and others "have demonstrated a sufficient, substantial need to overcome the qualified deliberative process privilege."

"The Court agrees that considerable discovery has been provided on this subject; however, having reviewed the thousands of pages of documents submitted for in camera review, the Court notes that these processes are far from clear or consistent, and in fact, seem to have undergone numerous modifications over time," she wrote.

Corley ordered the VA to release more than 40 documents, which she said were "both relevant and unavailable from other sources given that the documents reflect processes which have evolved over time."

Writes Ross, "The purpose of mind control experiments is controlling human behavior: making enemy combatants open up during interrogation; protecting secret information by erasing memories; making spies more resistant to interrogation because secret information is held by hidden identities and making people more prone to influence, social control and suggestion.

"The mind control experiments and operational programs violate basic human rights and all codes of medical ethics," he said.

The government should never use American citizens or others for any sort of experimentation, at least without first getting consent. Using those who protect and defend us for the same is unspeakable.

Sources:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/07/23/48617.htm

http://www.cchrint.org/tag/project-bluebird/

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/01/mkultra-lawsuit/

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/09/45455.htm

http://www.naturalnews.com/036598_chemical_experiments_MKUltra_military_veter ans.html

Large Sarge
27th July 2012, 10:33 AM
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/07/26/breaking-colorado-massacre-linked-to-historic-bank-fraud-yes-and-this-also-follows-the-batman-rising-phoenix-plot-perfectly/

DMac
27th July 2012, 10:43 AM
BUMP

Great stuff in this thread.

midnight rambler
27th July 2012, 10:44 AM
And to pull off the dastardly deed at just the *perfect* time to whip up frenzied support for the UN Small Arms Treaty. You can't make this shit up.

JohnQPublic
27th July 2012, 10:55 AM
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/07/26/breaking-colorado-massacre-linked-to-historic-bank-fraud-yes-and-this-also-follows-the-batman-rising-phoenix-plot-perfectly/


I merged to this thread since this is already being discussed.

DMac
27th July 2012, 11:13 AM
More things to make you go hmm....


Mass Casualty Exercise at Community College of Aurora in Colorado
Published on May 10, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHGLdtR2WU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHGLdtR2WU

DMac
27th July 2012, 11:14 AM
And of course, the drills....


Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker)


The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day.

joboo
27th July 2012, 11:51 AM
I wonder how far the "MK" thing has gone forward.

They could insert contact lens video screens on your eyes, inject you with whatever, and use an array of sound, radio, and amplified magnetic frequencies.

Consecutive hours...days...

Perhaps slightly more involved than your run of the mill hypnosis.

Clockwork orange x10...

sunshine05
27th July 2012, 11:56 AM
And of course, the drills....


Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker)

This seems to be a trend, just like 9/11. I wish I understood why they do this. Is it because the "drill" is filmed to appear as the real thing?

JohnQPublic
27th July 2012, 12:59 PM
And of course, the drills....


Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker)

There it is:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62412-12-shot-dead-at-Dark-Knight-Rises-screening-in-Aurora-Colorado&p=558988&viewfull=1#post558988

Not 5 miles away!

sirgonzo420
27th July 2012, 01:06 PM
I wonder how far the "MK" thing has gone forward.

They could insert contact lens video screens on your eyes, inject you with whatever, and use an array of sound, radio, and amplified magnetic frequencies.

Consecutive hours...days...

Perhaps slightly more involved than your run of the mill hypnosis.

Clockwork orange x10...


Indeed.

I'm sure they've come a long way since this:

http://api.ning.com/files/phxkX8gfqaRB3ihEJULgQP66IWk2ql1115lwLwvHIGoSx5x21D BUr35pdeBtgjG4GxDh1hUowYqbjdXBOsMHputdIYUeyyAV/mk_ultra_girl_c1961a.jpg?width=620&height=449

Down1
27th July 2012, 04:15 PM
Shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience, according to court documents released Friday. His psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU's medical school and the director of student mental health services, specializes in schizophrenia, according to her online biography. The filing didn't disclose how long Holmes had been seeing Fenton, or for what condition, if any, he was being treated.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html

osoab
27th July 2012, 05:14 PM
They didn't add what drugs that he might have been subjected too.

osoab
27th July 2012, 05:26 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html

An excellent quote from a sheeple.


william (http://profile.yahoo.com/VAGTPS6XLYRVHCZNEYF5NWIQSI) • 30 mins ago
You cant fake the kinda crazy that shoots that little girl in the face.

Horn
27th July 2012, 05:44 PM
Last week, Fox News reported that Holmes mailed Fenton a notebook filled with stick-figure drawings that showed a massacre, citing unnamed law enforcement personnel as sources. Fenton didn't receive the package until after Holmes was arrested on charges of entering an Aurora, Colo.,

Well this is about as rich as the rigged apartment.

Libertytree
28th July 2012, 08:13 AM
This is from the dispatchers, I haven't listened to all of this yet but they do indicate 2 shooters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XID1dril3t4&feature=player_embedded#!

freespirit
29th July 2012, 07:29 AM
sat night there was a documentary on cnn called "madness at midnight"...

-didn't discuss 2nd mask at end of building
-primarily focused on painting him as the culprit, talking about the journal he mailed, etc.
-claims he bought his gear from online warehouse site for "about $300" (this made no sense to me)

-absolutely ZERO mention of security camera footage.

i cant seem to find a link to the video, but it will replay this evening at 8 est.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/ostrow/2012/07/25/cnn-air-documentary-special-aurora-shootings/9823/


“Madness at Midnight: The Search for Answers in Aurora,” (http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/saturday.html)a one-hour overview of the Colorado theater shootings and the aftermath of the tragedy, is set to air at 7 p.m. Saturday on CNN (with a repeat at 10 p.m.).
Don Lemon will serve as anchor, live in Aurora (where he’s been reporting for days) to introduce the taped segments and to add any last minute information.
The hour includes profiles of the 12 victims, a feel for the event as seen through the prism of Columbine, a segment on the suspect with interviews with his former elementary school teacher and classmates, stories of ER doctor Comilla Sasson, father Tom Sullivan (who lost his son, Alex), a local gun range owner, and others. The documentary also profiles the city itself. Special attention is paid to the community’s efforts to block the suspect’s name. CNN is “trying to be sensitive…we are not glorifying him in any way,” a spokeswoman said.

Horn
29th July 2012, 08:39 AM
sat night there was a documentary on cnn called "madness at midnight"...

Right. turned that off after no mention of tear gas coming from more than one direction, and eyewitness account of cell phone call to person opening emergency door in the theatre.

osoab
29th July 2012, 09:32 AM
I found Lynn Fenton's bio on GLP. Looks like it might have been scrubbed from UofC website.

I am looking for a cache of it.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1939076/pg1



Found the scrubbed bio of Dr. Fenton from University of Colorado.

They did a good job quickly removing her info ("Oops, that page cannot be found"), but thanks to Google cache, the data lives on.

I must say, her recent VA research concerns me due to the types of experiments that have taken place there in the past.

Let the digging into this possible false flag attack continue...

Lynne Fenton, MD
Assistant Professor

ACADEMIC APPOINTMENTS, PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS, AND HONORS

Positions and Employment:

Medical Director, Student Mental Health Service, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus, 7-2009 – present

Research Fellow/Instructor, Research and Development Service, VA Eastern Colorado Health Care System, 7-2008 - present

Research Fellow/Instructor, Department of Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver School of Medicine, 7-2008-present

Fellowship in Brain Imaging, Department of Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver, 1008-2010

Residency in General Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver, 2005-2008

Physician, private practice, Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Denver, CO, 1994-2005

Medical Acupuncturist, Mile High Spine and Rehabilitation, Greenwood Village, CO, 2001-2002, and 2004-2005

Physician, Colorado Rehabilitation and Occupational Medicine, Aurora, CO, 1993-1994

Chief of Physical Medicine, United States Air Force, San Antonio, TX, 1990-1993

Staff Physiatrist, Wilford Hall United States Air Force Medical Center, San Antonio, TX, 1990-1993

Residency in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Northwestern University Medical Center, 1986-1990



Other Experience and Professional Memberships:

Colorado Psychiatric Society Junior Trustee, 2009-present

American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology Board-certified, 2009

Colorado Psychiatric Society Early Career Psychiatrists Trustee, 2008-2009

State of Colorado Medical License - issued 1993

American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine Certified, 1992

American Board of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Board-certified, 1991



Honors:

Associate Investigator Award for training in research from the Department of Veterans Affairs, 2008-2011

PRITE Award, 2006, 2007

Medal of Commendation, United States Air Force, 1993

Scholl Fellowship Award for research in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, 1990



Teaching Activities (limited to Psychiatry-related teaching):

Supervision:

Psychiatry Residents:

weekly supervision of six R2 residents, 1-hour per resident 2007- 2008
supervision of R1-R4 residents in outpatient clinic, 4 hours per week 2007- 2008
inpatient and consult-liaison call, supervision of R2 and R3 residents 2008 - present
Student Mental Health Service, supervision of R4 and R3 residents, 2009 - present



Lectures:

"Pain – Diagnosis and Treatment", 2006, 2008
University of Colorado, R2 Consult-Liaison Psychiatry class
"Somatoform Disorders", 2006, 2008
University of Colorado, R2 Consult-Liaison Psychiatry class
"CATIE", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course
"STEP-BD", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course
"STAR*D", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course



Courses:

Psychiatry Board and PRITE Review Course - Developed and co-taught 10 session weekly course for R1-R4 residents, 8/2007-10/2007
Psychopharmacology for Non-Prescribing Clinicians - Developed and taught weekly course for social work interns, 9/2007-3/2008
R-3 Evidence-Based Medicine - Co-taught weekly 90 minute course for R3 residents
Axis-II Disorders - 4 lecture series, part of R-1 introductory lectures, 1/2009, 4/2009
Student Mental Health - New 5 week course for R-4 residents to begin 2010
R4 Clinical Rotation in Student Mental Health - One-half day per week, 2009 - present



Presentations:

Grand Rounds: "Bipolar Disorder, Borderline Personality, and Chronic Pain", University of Colorado, Department of Psychiatry, 9/28/2005
Poster presentation: "Psychotherapy for Patients with Neuropsychiatric Disorders", Junior Faculty Poster Show, University of Colorado Department of Psychiatry, 3/2007
Grand Rounds: “Student Mental Health – a Developmental Perspective”, University of Colorado, Department of Psychiatry, 10/11/2009



Clinical Activities:

Medical Director, Student Mental Health Service, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus, 2009 – present

medication and psychotherapy for 15-20 graduate students per week
coordination of team of four mental health clinicians
supervision of R4 and R3 residents who treat student
lectures, outreach to students, administrators and faculty



Psychiatrist, 5-10 general psychiatry patients, medication and psychotherapy, 2008 - present



SCHOLARSHIPS AND PUBLICATIONS

Selected Peer-Reviewed Publications:

Roth EJ. Fenton LL. Gaebler-Spira DJ. Frost FS. Yarkony GM. Superior mesenteric artery syndrome in acute traumatic quadriplegia: case reports and literature review. Archives of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. 72(6):417-20, 1991 May.

Green D. Lee MY. Lim AC. Chmiel JS. Vetter M. Pang T. Chen D. Fenton L. Yarkony GM. Meyer PR Jr. Prevention of thromboembolism after spinal cord injury using low-molecular-weight heparin. Annals of Internal Medicine. 113(8):571-4, 1990 Oct 15.

Geary GG. Fenton L. Cheng G. Smith GT. Siu B. McNamara JJ. Failure of pretreatment with propranolol to reduce the zone of myocardial infarction after 2 hours of coronary occlusion in the primate heart. American Journal of Cardiology. 52(5):615-20, 1983 Sep 1.


Grants and Contracts:

Reward Processing in Schizophrenia: the Effects of Aripiprazole and Risperidone, 2008-present


A functional MRI investigation


False Pattern Recognition in Schizophrenia, 2009 - present

Involvement of the dopaminergic reward system.


Functional MRI Correlates of Overeating in Schizophrenia Treated with Olanzapine, 2009 - present

Associate Investigator Award, Department of Veterans Affairs, Schizophrenia Research Department, 2008-2010


Lynne Fenton, MD

JDRock
29th July 2012, 11:52 AM
What's also interesting is his relocation to Aurora, Colorado.

Were there reasons given for that, is it just cheaper to school there for someone as smart as this guy appeared at one time?

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/24/colorado-shooting-2012-or-1984/

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ada4.jpg
(http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/24/colorado-shooting-2012-or-1984/)

colorado = RED
aurora = Dawn

somone tell my WHY this was moved from general section??

JohnQPublic
29th July 2012, 11:56 AM
colorado = RED
aurora = Dawn

somone tell my WHY this was moved from general section??

I created a current critical events section for this type of activity which seems to be increasing.

JDRock
29th July 2012, 11:59 AM
critical events: 5 people reading
general section: 175 peeps reading, imho this needs to be in front of the masses, tptb are no doubt pleased that this has been unintentionally placed on a shelf.

osoab
29th July 2012, 01:41 PM
Here's Fenton's biography at the medical school. It's not in the main school directory. I found it going to the psych dept. Same text that I found on GLP.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/psychiatry/Faculty/Pages/Fenton,%20Lynne.aspx

The drugs that she researched with my be something to look at. I highlighted those in red at the bottom.


Lynne Fenton, MD

Assistant Professor



ACADEMIC APPOINTMENTS, PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS, AND HONORS
Positions and Employment:
Medical Director, Student Mental Health Service, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus, 7-2009 – present
Research Fellow/Instructor, Research and Development Service, VA Eastern Colorado Health Care System, 7-2008 - present
Research Fellow/Instructor, Department of Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver School of Medicine, 7-2008-present


Fellowship in Brain Imaging, Department of Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver, 1008-2010
Residency in General Psychiatry, University of Colorado Denver, 2005-2008
Physician, private practice, Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Denver, CO, 1994-2005

Medical Acupuncturist, Mile High Spine and Rehabilitation, Greenwood Village, CO, 2001-2002, and 2004-2005

Physician, Colorado Rehabilitation and Occupational Medicine, Aurora, CO, 1993-1994

Chief of Physical Medicine, United States Air Force, San Antonio, TX, 1990-1993

Staff Physiatrist, Wilford Hall United States Air Force Medical Center, San Antonio, TX, 1990-1993
Residency in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Northwestern University Medical Center, 1986-1990

Other Experience and Professional Memberships:
Colorado Psychiatric Society Junior Trustee, 2009-present
American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology Board-certified, 2009
Colorado Psychiatric Society Early Career Psychiatrists Trustee, 2008-2009
State of Colorado Medical License - issued 1993
American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine Certified, 1992
American Board of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Board-certified, 1991

Honors:
Associate Investigator Award for training in research from the Department of Veterans Affairs, 2008-2011
PRITE Award, 2006, 2007
Medal of Commendation, United States Air Force, 1993
Scholl Fellowship Award for research in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, 1990

Teaching Activities (limited to Psychiatry-related teaching):
Supervision:

Psychiatry Residents:




weekly supervision of six R2 residents, 1-hour per resident 2007- 2008
supervision of R1-R4 residents in outpatient clinic, 4 hours per week 2007- 2008
inpatient and consult-liaison call, supervision of R2 and R3 residents 2008 - present
Student Mental Health Service, supervision of R4 and R3 residents, 2009 - present




Lectures:



"Pain – Diagnosis and Treatment", 2006, 2008
University of Colorado, R2 Consult-Liaison Psychiatry class
"Somatoform Disorders", 2006, 2008
University of Colorado, R2 Consult-Liaison Psychiatry class
"CATIE", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course
"STEP-BD", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course
"STAR*D", 2007, 2008, 2009
University of Colorado, R3 Evidence-based Medicine course



Courses:


Psychiatry Board and PRITE Review Course - Developed and co-taught 10 session weekly course for R1-R4 residents, 8/2007-10/2007
Psychopharmacology for Non-Prescribing Clinicians - Developed and taught weekly course for social work interns, 9/2007-3/2008
R-3 Evidence-Based Medicine - Co-taught weekly 90 minute course for R3 residents
Axis-II Disorders - 4 lecture series, part of R-1 introductory lectures, 1/2009, 4/2009
Student Mental Health - New 5 week course for R-4 residents to begin 2010
R4 Clinical Rotation in Student Mental Health - One-half day per week, 2009 - present



Presentations:



Grand Rounds: "Bipolar Disorder, Borderline Personality, and Chronic Pain", University of Colorado, Department of Psychiatry, 9/28/2005
Poster presentation: "Psychotherapy for Patients with Neuropsychiatric Disorders", Junior Faculty Poster Show, University of Colorado Department of Psychiatry, 3/2007
Grand Rounds: “Student Mental Health – a Developmental Perspective”, University of Colorado, Department of Psychiatry, 10/11/2009


Clinical Activities:
Medical Director, Student Mental Health Service, University of Colorado Denver, Anschutz Medical Campus, 2009 – present


medication and psychotherapy for 15-20 graduate students per week
coordination of team of four mental health clinicians
supervision of R4 and R3 residents who treat student
lectures, outreach to students, administrators and faculty


Psychiatrist, 5-10 general psychiatry patients, medication and psychotherapy, 2008 - present

SCHOLARSHIPS AND PUBLICATIONS
Selected Peer-Reviewed Publications:
Roth EJ. Fenton LL. Gaebler-Spira DJ. Frost FS. Yarkony GM. Superior mesenteric artery syndrome in acute traumatic quadriplegia: case reports and literature review. Archives of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. 72(6):417-20, 1991 May.

Green D. Lee MY. Lim AC. Chmiel JS. Vetter M. Pang T. Chen D. Fenton L. Yarkony GM. Meyer PR Jr. Prevention of thromboembolism after spinal cord injury using low-molecular-weight heparin. Annals of Internal Medicine. 113(8):571-4, 1990 Oct 15.

Geary GG. Fenton L. Cheng G. Smith GT. Siu B. McNamara JJ. Failure of pretreatment with propranolol to reduce the zone of myocardial infarction after 2 hours of coronary occlusion in the primate heart. American Journal of Cardiology. 52(5):615-20, 1983 Sep 1.

Grants and Contracts:
Reward Processing in Schizophrenia: the Effects of Aripiprazole and Risperidone, 2008-present

A functional MRI investigation


False Pattern Recognition in Schizophrenia, 2009 - present

Involvement of the dopaminergic reward system.

Functional MRI Correlates of Overeating in Schizophrenia Treated with Olanzapine, 2009 - present


Associate Investigator Award, Department of Veterans Affairs, Schizophrenia Research Department, 2008-2010



I am not finding a bio for her at the VA. However, looks like the VA does some schizophrenia research. Seems odd that they would do schizo research when that should have been screened out of prospective meat shields.
http://www.denver.va.gov/services/research.asp

The Schizophrenia Research Center is one of three in the VA system nationwide. Funding for the Schizophrenia Research Center was renewed October 1, 2006 for 4 additional years for a total of $1.3 million.

osoab
29th July 2012, 02:35 PM
Has anyone watched the flick yet?

I read this post over at lop and my curiosity is peaked.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-I-saw-Dark-Knight-last-night

I saw Dark Knight last night
I think I know the scene that was playing when Holmes busted in the theater... it was maybe 15-30 minutes in... it heightened my suspicion of Holmes being a patsy/brainwashed/mk ultra etc... this is why:

It is one of the only, if not the only, scene where cops are wearing gas masks... and yes there was a lot if shooting going on at once, probably the most at once during the whole movie... coincidence that a guy who has never seen the movie goes in with a gas mask and starts shooting people at the same time that police on the screen are wearing gas masks and the most intense shooting scene in the movie is going on?

JDRock
29th July 2012, 03:17 PM
critica events 5 people reading
general section: 175 peeps reading, imho this needs to be in front of the masses, tptb are no doubt pleased that this has been unintentionally placed on a shelf...jus sayin

MNeagle
29th July 2012, 09:02 PM
Colo. theater lacked security, unlike some peers


DENVER (AP) — The Colorado movie theater complex that was the scene of a gunman's massacre this month didn't have any uniformed security guards on duty the night of the shooting, even though other theaters operated by the same company did provide such protection for the busy premiere of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises."

It's impossible to know whether guards — often off-duty police officers — at the Aurora Century 16 would have spotted the suspected gunman, James Holmes, and thwarted the attack that left 12 moviegoers dead and dozens wounded on July 20.

Officers hired as guards are generally armed and usually spend their time roaming the complex, checking bags or dealing with minor disputes.

Cinemark provided off-duty police guards at the Aurora theater on busy Friday and Saturday nights. As for other nights of the week, theater operators decide on a case-by-case basis whether to hire security, depending on the likelihood of trouble. The attack came early Friday, shortly after the midnight screening of the Batman film began.

Larry Lowak, whose son Brent was among the wounded, said security personnel on the scene possibly could have stopped the gunman, and he was dismayed to learn that guards weren't on hand.

"If you bring in security on Friday or Saturday, you sure as hell want to bring it in for this particular function," Lowak said.

Plano, Texas-based Cinemark, which operates the Aurora theater, declined to explain why guards weren't provided in Aurora that night and declined to discuss safety policies in general.

Through interviews with police officers and officials outside the theater company, The Associated Press was able to identify places around the country that did use armed security workers for the July 19-20 Batman showings — including places like Beaumont, Texas; Lake Charles, La., and Tupelo, Miss.

Some other locations, including a Cinema Century 16 theater in the western Denver suburb of Lakewood, did not have security.

Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates has said that the Cinemark in Aurora normally uses off-duty officers to provide security on weekend nights but did not have any working for the July 19 showings that went into the next morning. The theater does not have an unusually high record of complaints or crimes, police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson said.

In Moosic, Pa., Cinemark has worked for years with off-duty officers from the local police department — typically on Fridays and Saturdays — and authorities said they were asked to provide two officers on July 19 because the midnight showing was likely to be a major event.

"If they're expecting large crowds, they call our department for additional police presence," said Moosic Borough Police Officer James Giehl.

Two major multiplexes in Amarillo, Texas, including one Cinemark facility, also ensured that off-duty uniformed police officers were present for the first screenings of the Batman film. Amarillo Police Cpl. Jerry Neufeld said that the off-duty officers work in pairs; the town's theaters made a point of asking for them on the busy opening night.

There were no incidents at the screenings, and Neufeld said he heard that people were, as always, happy to see people there to deal with any dangers.

"When they're there, they're visible, people see them and people come in and say, 'hey man, we're glad you're here,'" Neufeld said. "It gives people a sense of calm."

The Aurora shooting has stirred discussion about appropriate security precautions at gathering places commonly considered safe from the cares and worries of the outside world. Experts say that security at public venues has increased substantially over the past decade, but they also note that it's impossible to maintain perfect safety at all times.
Officials have said the Aurora shooting suspect bought a ticket to the midnight showing and went into the theater as part of the crowd. A federal law enforcement official said suspect Holmes is believed to have propped open an exit door in the theater as the movie was playing, donned protective ballistic gear, re-entered about a half-hour into the film and opened fire.

Aurora police said the suspect tossed two gas canisters into the crowd and had an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun, and two .40-caliber Glock handguns.

Some theaters have added security guards for all nights of the week since the shooting, and police departments around the country have also conducted extra patrols that focus to movie theaters, though it's not clear if those shifts will be permanent. AMC Theatres has barred people from wearing masks or bringing fake weapons inside its buildings.

Many theaters, including the Cinemark in Aurora, prohibit patrons from bringing in their concealed weapons they use for personal protection.

That irks people like Dudley Brown, executive director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, who said that he has refused to go to Aurora theater because of that ban.
"What could have stopped this is law-abiding citizens being allowed to carry," Brown insisted.

Lowak, the father of the shooting survivor, also said he believes people carrying concealed weapons might have helped limit the bloodshed.

But Hubert Williams, former head of the Newark police department and president of the Police Foundation, said that the idea that average citizens with guns could keep a theater safe only makes sense "on a piece of paper."

"Reality is much more complicated. What if you pull a gun out, take aim and someone else thinks you're the shooter?" he asked. "Would you stand up against an AR-15, AK-47 military-style assault weapon? Give me a break."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-theater-lacked-security-unlike-some-peers#overlay-context=

Glass
29th July 2012, 09:25 PM
But Hubert Williams, former head of the Newark police department and president of the Police Foundation, said that the idea that average citizens with guns could keep a theater safe only makes sense "on a piece of paper."

"Reality is much more complicated. What if you pull a gun out, take aim and someone else thinks you're the shooter?" he asked. "Would you stand up against an AR-15, AK-47 military-style assault weapon? Give me a break."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-theater-lacked-security-unlike-some-peers#overlay-context=

There's a thing called "When the chips are down". Everyone's a 20:20 expert apparently and to say, outright, point blank that no one in that theatre was man enough is BS and offensive. There was at least 1 guy in there at the time who was man enough and from some accounts more than 1.

JohnQPublic
29th July 2012, 09:42 PM
critical events: 5 people reading
general section: 175 peeps reading, imho this needs to be in front of the masses, tptb are no doubt pleased that this has been unintentionally placed on a shelf.


Understood the math. Another equation: General section, 2 days not read. Thread lost.

freespirit
30th July 2012, 11:32 AM
more related...
...video at link...

http://news.sympatico.ctvnews.ca/home/contentposting?newsitemid=1_897455&feedname=ctv-topstories_v3&show=false&number=0&showbyline=true&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=true


Colo. shooting suspect charged with 24 counts of murder
30/07/2012 1:56:00 PM
CTVNews.ca Staff
Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was formally charged Monday. His alleged offences include 24 counts of first-degree murder and 116 counts of attempted murder, among other charges.

Prosecutors filed formal charges Monday against Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes, who is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 others at a midnight movie screening.
Holmes has been charged with 24 counts of first-degree murder and 116 counts of attempted murder related to the shooting rampage in the Denver suburb of Aurora.
His first 12 first-degree murder charges pertain specifically to murder after deliberation, while the last 12 relate to murder with an "extreme indifference to the value of human life." In total, the charges work out to two counts for each person who was killed during the July 20 spree.
The same reasoning was used with the 58 people injured. Two counts of attempted murder, after deliberation and with "extreme indifference," apply to each of the wounded.
Authorities have also laid one charge of possession of explosives against Holmes, whom police allege booby trapped his apartment with trip wires and explosives.
Tense legal discussions are expected to follow over the sanity of Holmes, a 24-year-old who was in the process of withdrawing from a PhD program in neuroscience.
Colorado law dictates that defendants are not legally liable for their actions if they are too ill to distinguish right from wrong. The law, however, also states that prosecutors must be careful not to confuse mental illness with "moral obliquity, mental depravity, or passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred, or other motives, and kindred evil conditions."
Authorities allege Holmes started acquiring weapons and gear as early as May and June, months before a masked gunman opened fire during a packed showing of "The Dark Knight Rises."
Law professor Sam Kamin of the University of Denver said there is evidence that the attack was premeditated, which could complicate possible attempts to use insanity as a defence.
"But," he told The Associated Press, "the things that we don't know are what this case is going to hinge on, and that's his mental state."
It's possible that Holmes' public defenders could argue he is not fit to stand trial. Another option, if lawyers fail to convince the court that Holmes is mentally incompetent, lawyers can attempt to avoid a possible death penalty by arguing he is mentally ill.
As well, defence lawyers have filed a motion to find out who told media outlets about a package Holmes allegedly mailed to his psychiatrist at the University of Colorado Denver.
Several media outlets reported that the package, discovered on Holmes' campus three days after the July 20th shooting, contained a notebook outlining plans to carry out the attack. But Arapahoe Country District Attorney Carol Chambers said in court papers that the package still had not been opened by the time those reports were published.
Court papers confirm Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at his university but it's unclear how long he was seeing Dr. Lynne Fenton and for what reason -- mental illness or otherwise.
Craig Silverman, a former chief deputy district attorney in Denver, argues that based on the evidence thus far Holmes' case appears to be straightforward.
"This is not a whodunit," he told The Associated Press "The only possible defence is insanity."
During his first court appearance, Holmes appeared with a shock of wavy, red-orange hair, a hairstyle evocative of a hairdo donned by Batman's rival The Joker.
Onlookers commented that Holmes appeared to be in a daze during the appearance last week.
"What I saw is someone who ultimately stared out into the courtroom as if he was watching a movie," psychiatrist Mark Goulston told CTV's Canada AM on Monday.
If Holmes did, in fact, intend to mimic the Joker, Goulston noted that the gesture of modelling one's self after a villain rather than a hero sends an interesting message.
"It's unclear what to make of that, except that he identified with the power to do evil as opposed to the power to do good," Goulston said in an interview from Los Angeles.
Information about Holmes' case is expected to be strictly controlled. A gag order has been placed on lawyers and law enforcement, his court file has been sealed and his university has been prohibited from releasing records related to Holmes.
Those wounded during the Aurora shooting rampage continue to make a slow march towards recovery, including a young mother who lost her six-year-old daughter during the violence and suffered a miscarriage over the weekend.

DMac
30th July 2012, 02:22 PM
3306

3307

Similar theater, clothing...2 _ 8 & Century 16 - interesting. Life imitates art or art imitates life?


http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Illuminati-shooting-Colorado.jpg

http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/illuminati-card-joker.jpg

Serpo
30th July 2012, 09:20 PM
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html
(http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html)

Glass
30th July 2012, 10:00 PM
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html
(http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html)

Looks like a fairly good summary of the time line.

How was the equipment paid for? Did it get paid for with his CC? Did he have the funds? Were funds made available some how?

JDRock
31st July 2012, 11:43 AM
all right, this is waaaay out there but... colorado means ;red
aurora means ;dawn olympic false flag imminnent??

Carbon
31st July 2012, 12:54 PM
all right, this is waaaay out there but... colorado means ;red
aurora means ;dawn olympic false flag imminnent??


No... this is 'waaaay' out there:

"The Aurora tragedy took place in "Colorado," a name meaning "colored red" in Spanish. The shooter dyed his hair orange-red." (http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/auroracode2012.html)

JDRock
31st July 2012, 02:14 PM
all right, this is waaaay out there but... colorado means ;red
aurora means ;dawn olympic false flag imminnent??
didnt the movie red dawn take place in colorado??

osoab
31st July 2012, 02:42 PM
didnt the movie red dawn take place in colorado??

apparently so,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/

Storyline

From out of the sky, Soviet, Nicaraguan, and Cuban troops begin landing on the football field of a Colorado high school. In seconds, the paratroopers have attacked the school and sent a group of teenagers fleeing into the mountains. Armed only with hunting rifles, pistols, and bows and arrows, the teens struggle to survive the bitter winter and the Soviet KGB patrols hunting for them. Eventually, trouble arises when they kill a group of Soviet soldiers on patrol in the highlands. Soon they will wage their own guerrilla warfare against the invading Soviet troops-under the banner of 'Wolverines!' Written by Derek O'Cain (http://www.imdb.com/search/title?plot_author=Derek%20O%27Cain&view=simple&sort=alpha)

JohnQPublic
31st July 2012, 03:33 PM
Ok. Colorado was mentioned by John Denver in the song Rocky Mountain High (lyrics, "...the Colorado Rocky Mountain High..."). John Denver died in plane accident. Planes were used by terrorists to destroy the World Trade Center. Therefor, Holmes was a terrorist was high and killed (or was framed to appear to kill) all these people. Move over Sorcha Faal!

Large Sarge
31st July 2012, 03:37 PM
Ok. Colorado was mentioned by John Denver in the song Rocky Mountain High (lyrics, "...the Colorado Rocky Mountain High..."). John Denver died in plane accident. Planes were used by terrorists to destroy the World Trade Center. Therefor, Holmes was a terrorist was high and killed (or was framed to appear to kill) all these people. Move over Sorcha Faal!



comparing apples to oranges

this whole colorado shooter thing stinks to high heaven there are so many flaws in the story
and we have the anti gun agenda

John Denver I believe died in an ultra light, not known as the safest mode of transport

JohnQPublic
31st July 2012, 03:43 PM
comparing apples to oranges

this whole colorado shooter thing stinks to high heaven there are so many flaws in the story
and we have the anti gun agenda

John Denver I believe died in an ultra light, not known as the safest mode of transport

I was being sarcastic, obviously.

It is interesting though that Red Dawn (the movie) gets a lot of attention in conspiracy circles. I saw it when it came out, and found it very odd. A lot of strange things happened under Reagan. Sort of bringing the MIC together with Hollywood and rock and roll was not a good thing for us.

Horn
31st July 2012, 03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMM7ckbzDRY

midnight rambler
31st July 2012, 04:55 PM
John Denver I believe died in an ultra light, not known as the safest mode of transport

It was a Long EZ built from a kit, not an ultralight -


Singer-songwriter John Denver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver) died while flying a LongEz on October 12, 1997. The NTSB believes that he inadvertently pushed on his right rudder pedal while twisting to the left in his seat as he struggled to operate the fuel selector valve.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Long-EZ#cite_note-ntsb-9) Contributing factors in the crash were other pilot errors, a design that led to an overly optimistic pre-flight fuel-check estimate,[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Long-EZ#cite_note-10) a known defective (very hard to turn) fuel valve, and non-standard placement of the fuel selector valve by the kit plane's builder, at variance with Burt Rutan's specs.
Denver was aware of the faulty valve prior to take off and had previously flown the aircraft only for approximately thirty minutes in an orientation flight the day before the accident, although he was an experienced pilot. The NTSB cited Denver's unfamiliarity with the aircraft and his failure to have the aircraft refueled as causal factors in the accident.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Long-EZ#cite_note-ntsb-9) The aerodynamics of this unusual aircraft did not play a role in Denver's crash.



This Long EZ is owned by NOAA -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/NOAA-Long-EZ.jpg

JDRock
1st August 2012, 11:50 AM
bump........

Cebu_4_2
1st August 2012, 12:08 PM
John Denver fuckupt cause he was juiced with alcohol (at lease the story that was told) his plane ran outta gas while the second thank was full. He forgot to switch tanks. My goodness people, am I preaching TO AN EMPTY BOX?

beefsteak
1st August 2012, 12:16 PM
Cebu,
pardon me, but....
I take issue with your speaking ill of the dead, especially John Denver in this particular instance.

Were you there?

Nope, didn't think so. Don't we have enough to stress about besides now attacking DOA John Denver?

Last time I looked, it always takes experienced pilots to fly test aircraft. Maybe there was a wasp in the cabin... All kinds of reasons for distraction besides rumored alcohol consumption at that precise moment. Yes, he was an acknowledged alcoholic. But I believe his sobriety was intact at the time of that difficult accident and him losing his life! I remember it hit me pretty hard when I first heard about it.


beefsteak

JDRock
2nd August 2012, 08:17 AM
how did this get from americans dying needlessly to john denver??

PatColo
2nd August 2012, 10:09 AM
I heard this podcast yesterday, VG discussion. It seems Jones comes on around 20 mins in. Dankof spends that first 20 mins discussing
Thread: Why do Mormons Love Israel? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62669-Why-do-Mormons-Love-Israel)

Jones' site: http://www.culturewars.com

Mark Dankof’s America August 1, 2012 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/08/mark-dankofs-america-august-1-2012.html)



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Mark Dankof interviews Dr. E. Michael Jones concerning the massacre in Colorado perpetrated by James Holmes.

The Colorado Theater Massacre–a planned event or just the simple consequence of a violence-drenched society subject to the paralyzing effects of Jewish owned media?

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/3/569/show_3569867.mp3)

Download (http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/3/569/show_3569867.mp3)

Bigjon
2nd August 2012, 01:05 PM
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news617_batmanwhohow.html

info at link is very good.

It lacks coroberation, but is very logical.

Serpo
2nd August 2012, 02:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_398345&feature=iv&s rc_vid=CCFdZcou0II&v=7u3CLfVe8Xghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_398345&feature=iv&src_vid=CCFdZcou0II&v=7u3CLfVe8Xg

Serpo
3rd August 2012, 03:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0easFqotubE&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0easFqotubE&feature=related

JohnQPublic
3rd August 2012, 11:14 PM
Her Rating is Gone on Vitals.com (the first site the video was addressing)!!!!!!!!!

"Be the FIRST to share your opinion"

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lynne_Fenton

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Interesting. On this video, Dr. Fenton is rated in the mid-2's, yet now there is no rating. What gives? Were you threatened? Who did it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0easFqotubE&feature=related (http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lynne_Fenton)

Mouse
4th August 2012, 12:25 AM
Winston has been a very busy man these last couple weeks. There is much history to be corrected.

JDRock
4th August 2012, 11:39 AM
bump......

Cebu_4_2
4th August 2012, 11:54 AM
Jackie did it.

Serpo
4th August 2012, 06:41 PM
Jackie did it.

Did what

midnight rambler
4th August 2012, 06:49 PM
Did what

Shot John Lennon. Chapman was a patsy.