When They Come For Your Guns . . . You Will Turn Them Over

[Ares]

"When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands," is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. "You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands," which I often follow with the question, "And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?"

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and one of these (see photo below) rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition "for the common good," it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

"Want to take this on?"

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/Stryker%202.png?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1343144 998707

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/AP%20Longview.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1343 144480636

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don't seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/02012/44-july-2012/Meanwhile%20at%20Disneyland.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACH EVERSION=1343675728749

Also ignored (as if it didn't even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.

According to Public Intelligence:

"...for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of “homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.” Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being “necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities” under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA." (Emphasis supplied.)

And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/Stryker.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1343145038 080

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state of the art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day -- for nothing.

You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/storage/Karger%2029%2012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1 343590620401

That is your choice . . . for the moment.

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/7/30/when-they-come-for-your-guns-you-will-turn-them-over.html

[Tumbleweed]

I'm not afraid of dying and I won't be bullied.

[joboo]

They would have to do it all in one massive roll out which is impossible.

Once the word starts spreading of mass confiscation everything becomes twilight zone.

[midnight rambler]

Three problems:

Many retired military and peace officers take their (lifetime) oath very seriously
Many current military and peace officers take their oath very seriously
Those who don't won't want to be anywhere except with their families if sugar turns to shit after the first 'surge'

This isn't the sandbox.

[milehi]

FEMA camp < death

[Plastic]

A simple road flare can remove those nasty tanks from the chessboard, fuel trucks burn easily and are much softer targets.

[LuckyStrike]

They may have bad machines, but considering they can't even beat a bunch of towel heads with 40 year old technology, I don't consider them invincible.

I don't look forward this scenario, but what has to be at the forefront of your mind if/when this happens is, if you turn over your guns you are not only sacrificing yourself, but your family and generations unborn, to tyrants. It is unfair for you to make that decision for them.

[Twisted Titan]

City folk in the Major Metros are going to have a hard time because that is where they can hit hard and quick.......

Hopefully I will be gone before it happens .......... but if the hammer falls and im in town.

I got some hard descions to make.

My Firearms are the last line of defense for those who i care the most about in this world............ I take that sh!t very seriously


So Its not going to be a good day for my self and at least several of them.

[slowbell]

but what has to be at the forefront of your mind if/when this happens is, if you turn over your guns you are not only sacrificing yourself, but your family and generations unborn, to tyrants. It is unfair for you to make that decision for them.

That's very well said. I'm not turning in my guns. I'll try to avoid a fight if I can, but I ain't about to be bullied, and I'm not afraid to die either.

I've been a hair trigger to being in a gunfight in the past. I've pointed a gun a lot of folks too, in the past.

At the time, you do what you need to do. You can think about it afterwards. For each thread that is posted, about taking guns away, I smile because I know it's not going to happen. Even if they try it. There's too many folks here, in our nation, that would not let it happen.

That, I believe in.

[freespirit]

get a couple of stolen firearms, then promptly bury them w/several cases of ammo...that way, an unregistered piece is safely off the streets and if/when tshtf (and the current rules no longer apply) and they've confiscated all your legal stuff, you can still bug out and be able to protect yourself. in a shtf scenario, i won't care if the gun i'm carrying is registered or not. all that matters is whether it fires or not.

[Sparky]

For those of you who have lots of guns, wouldn't you keep them stashed in different places, and if they come after you, just surrender some of them to make it look like you are complying? How would they know how many you have?

Edit: I see that freespirit has just brought this up as an option!

[slowbell]

get a couple of stolen firearms, then promptly bury them w/several cases of ammo...that way, an unregistered piece is safely off the streets and if/when tshtf (and the current rules no longer apply) and they've confiscated all your legal stuff, you can still bug out and be able to protect yourself. in a shtf scenario, i won't care if the gun i'm carrying is registered or not. all that matters is whether it fires or not.

This is very good idea. I like this idea! I would never recommend acquiring stolen guns, or unregistered guns, or guns with #'s filed off, etc. That is a felony. But, if you bury them in a smart place, with ammo, it actually would get a gun off the street and could be used for lawful purposes in the future, in a collapse scenario.

Excellent idea, Freespirit.

[slowbell]

For those of you who have lots of guns, wouldn't you keep them stashed in different places, and if they come after you, just surrender some of them to make it look like you are complying? How would they know how many you have?


Sparky, every gun, that's legally registered, they know that we have it. A simple click of a mouse button, they could bring up every gun you own, your mother owns, etc. We are all profiled. It's all in the system.

They need a reason to come take our guns. And we need the courage to not let them. That's the bottom line.

[Sparky]

Sparky, every gun, that's legally registered, they know that we have it. A simple click of a mouse button, they could bring up every gun you own, your mother owns, etc. We are all profiled. It's all in the system.

They need a reason to come take our guns. And we need the courage to not let them. That's the bottom line.
I know that's true here in Massachusetts where our guns laws are strict, but I didn't know that was true everywhere. Is all the ownership paperwork kept up-to-date and reported for transactions that take place at gun shows?

Believe me, I fully respect everyone's passion for resisting a gun confiscation, and support their rights to do so. I don't expect I'd hand mine over very readily, but I think my level of resistance would depend on the circumstances.

[Twisted Titan]

They may have bad machines, but considering they can't even beat a bunch of towel heads with 40 year old technology, I don't consider them invincible.

I don't look forward this scenario, but what has to be at the forefront of your mind if/when this happens is, if you turn over your guns you are not only sacrificing yourself, but your family and generations unborn, to tyrants. It is unfair for you to make that decision for them.


Nominated for Post of The Month

[midnight rambler]

get a couple of stolen firearms


This is very good idea.

Excellent idea, Freespirit.

Oh yeah, stealing guns, buying guns from a gun thief, or buying guns from someone* who indicates the gun(s) they're selling is (are) stolen is an excellent idea! /sarc

*gun thieves (frequently tweakers) and those who knowingly support them deserve a bullet between the eyes

[Skirnir_]

I am inclined to agree with the titular thesis (despite my distaste for the generic 'you'.) White people generally conflate speaking about something to solving the problem at hand through actions, and thus are incapable of the former. The chest-beating, including that exhibited in this thread, is likely a façade, or perhaps even a form of sympathetic magic, that hints at insecurity.

[slowbell]

I am inclined to agree with the titular thesis. White people generally conflate speaking about something to solving the problem at hand through actions, and thus are incapable of the former. The chest-beating, including that exhibited in this thread, is likely a façade, or perhaps even a form of sympathetic magic, that hints at insecurity.

Well, I think you and midnight rambler are a couple of pussies.

Nobody is advocating anything unlawful, or violent. We are just trying to defend our rights to own guns.

Midnight, freespirit's idea isn't meant to be interpreted as committing a crime to acquire a firearm that's "not in the system". There's some gray area there. I am not publicly saying that's the right thing to do...but each individual circumstance is different. There is an open interpretation of that. Nothing is black and white.

[Skirnir_]

Well, I think you and midnight rambler are a couple of pussies.


If it is because I do not appear to be a chest-beating fool, in diametric opposition to fools to whom I may or may not have replied, then I should think it a compliment.

From the 48 Laws of Power:


An overt trait often conceals its opposite. People who thump their chests are often big cowards; a prudish exterior may hide a lascivious soul; the uptight are often screaming for adventure; the shy are dying for attention. By probing beyond appearances, you will often find people's weaknesses in the opposite of the qualities they reveal to you.

[slowbell]

If it is because I do not appear to be a chest-beating fool, in diametric opposition to fools to whom I may or may not have replied, then I should think it a compliment.

From the 48 Laws of Power:

You appear to be arrogant, and think you are better than others. That's annoying. Speak straight up for once, go toe to toe.

I could care less about the 48 laws of power. This is the internet.

[Skirnir_]

You appear to be arrogant, and think you are better than others. That's annoying. Speak straight up for once, go toe to toe.

I could care less about the 48 laws of power. This is the internet.

It is therefore fortunate that I was not put upon this earth to please you.

[Twisted Titan]

48 Laws should be required reading ..............




http://youtu.be/PNALeYJhnhA

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9DCrn-_CFM

[midnight rambler]

Nobody is advocating anything unlawful

Really?? Stealing is not unlawful?? Trafficing in stolen property isn't a problem for you?? Too bad you missed your calling as a corrupt cop. lol


I am not publicly saying that's the right thing to do

lol This says a lot about your scruples, or rather lack thereof.

Plenty of opportunities to buy a gun from a private party with no links, it happens all the time. No need to resort to "buying a stolen gun." That's fucking low.


This is the internet.

lol Indeed, the 'net is a place where one can encourage others to deal in stolen guns.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Sparky, every gun, that's legally registered, they know that we have it. A simple click of a mouse button, they could bring up every gun you own, your mother owns, etc. We are all profiled. It's all in the system.

They need a reason to come take our guns. And we need the courage to not let them. That's the bottom line.

It's legal in some states to buy guns in a private sale thus no paperwork, registration involved..

[Ares]

It's legal in some states to buy guns in a private sale thus no paperwork, registration involved..

Legal in my state and where I acquired most of my fire arms.

[chad]

i've posted this before, but it bears repeating. go get a copy of the constitution and read it. read the amendments. virtually all of it is either ignored or twisted sideways nowadays, yet everybody sits by and does noting but bitch on the internet and in comment sections on this or that website. i'm always curious as to why imposing limits on the second amendment is the one that going to have people rioting out in the streets shooting guns when virtually the rest of the entire document is ignored and yet people do nothing. i think most people are big talkers.

[Ares]

i've posted this before, but it bears repeating. go get a copy of the constitution and read it. read the amendments. virtually all of it is either ignored or twisted sideways nowadays, yet everybody sits by and does noting but bitch on the internet and in comment sections on this or that website. i'm always curious as to why imposing limits on the second amendment is the one that going to have people rioting out in the streets shooting guns when virtually the rest of the entire document is ignored and yet people do nothing. i think most people are big talkers.

quoted for truth.

Like I said in a previous thread on here. The Constitution gives you NOTHING. You do not derive your rights from a piece of 200 year old paper. Your rights are endowed from your creator. The Constitution was supposed to be a cage for the government. Yet we can all agree that the cage failed, the Constitution failed. It will require the people to forcefully put the government back in its cage. Whenever that will happen I have no idea. But there is only one thing power recognizes and that is force.

Bitching on the internet is not force

[freespirit]

Oh yeah, stealing guns, buying guns from a gun thief, or buying guns from someone* who indicates the gun(s) they're selling is (are) stolen is an excellent idea! /sarc

*gun thieves (frequently tweakers) and those who knowingly support them deserve a bullet between the eyes


you are once again going off half cocked, mr...the idea is to get a stolen or otherwise illegal gun off the streets where it can do no harm. if its buried in the ground, no one is using it to rob someone. there may be means to buy guns without a paper trail where you are, but we don't all have the same options and gun laws. Slowbell gets what i'm saying, and if you would pull your head out of your ass for 30 seconds or so, you might see what i'm saying too.

how very humane for you to suggest i need a bullet between my eyes for wanting to get an illegal weapon off the street.
Jerk.

[freespirit]

It is therefore fortunate that I was not put upon this earth to please you.


congrats, skirnir...your pompous, blow hard, better than everyone, insulting approach to this forum's members has earned you a place on my ignore list. And it didn't even take 2 months for you to do it! wow, thats got to be some kind of record, lol

[slowbell]

Plenty of opportunities to buy a gun from a private party with no links, it happens all the time. No need to resort to "buying a stolen gun." That's fucking low..

I'm about ready to put you on ignore. I doubt I'll ever actually have an adult discussion with you, without you twisting the context of posts around. I will say it again, I am not, and will not, recommend to do anything illegal.

Buying a gun from a private party with no links, in my state, is a felony. I do know some people who choose to do that regardless, because the registration laws can be interpreted as a violation of the 2nd amendment. Also, it's not a crime if there is no victim.

Anything you buy from a private party, there's a chance that it could be stolen. Apparently, you seem to be against private sales, or a barter economy. Go register your TV, and leave me alone.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm about ready to put you on ignore. I doubt I'll ever actually have an adult discussion with you, without you twisting the context of posts around. I will say it again, I am not, and will not, recommend to do anything illegal.

Buying a gun from a private party with no links, in my state, is a felony. I do know some people who choose to do that regardless, because the registration laws can be interpreted as a violation of the 2nd amendment. Also, it's not a crime if there is no victim.

Anything you buy from a private party, there's a chance that it could be stolen. Apparently, you seem to be against private sales, or a barter economy. Go register your TV, and leave me alone.

I'm so proud of you.

:D

[JDRock]

afghanistan gives me hope, how 2 superpowers were unable to subjugate a determined people armed with the simplest of weaponry!

[slowbell]

I found an interesting link. One of the questions I've always wondered, is if purchasing something at a flea market, craigslist, etc...there's no way to tell if it's stolen or not.

A search found this link to an online stolen property database. You can put in the serial number and see if it's been reported stolen or not. Could come in handy.

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/

[Skirnir_]

afghanistan gives me hope, how 2 superpowers were unable to subjugate a determined people armed with the simplest of weaponry!

I recall the second superpower gave some Afghanis aid to help defeat the first, and the terrain does not hurt either.

[JohnQPublic]

48 Laws should be required reading ..............




http://youtu.be/PNALeYJhnhA

Sounds like The Prince. Interesting. But whoever made the YouTube forgot #49: Learn to Spell. :rolleyes:

[Horn]

Also, it's not a crime if there is no victim.

Is it possible for the state (or the original owner) to have its feelings hurt? :)

[Santa]

When I was a boy, my grandfather kept his rifle loaded up over the front door sill.

My father kept his weapons empty and in the closet, except for a weekend hunting trip every five years or so.

Up till now, I've been keeping mine mostly locked up in a gun safe.

Today, we're actually contemplating burying our weapons in secret holes in the yard?

Tomorrow? Phhffft! No mystery there.

The evolution is obvious.

[sirgonzo420]

When I was a boy, my grandfather kept his rifle loaded up over the front door sill.

My father kept his weapons empty and in the closet, except for a weekend hunting trip every five years or so.

Up till now, I've been keeping mine mostly locked up in a gun safe.

Today, we're actually contemplating burying our weapons in secret holes in the yard?

Tomorrow? Phhffft! No mystery there.

The evolution is obvious.

Hear, hear, St. Nick.

If it's time to start burying guns, then it's time to start digging them up.

[freespirit]

I found an interesting link. One of the questions I've always wondered, is if purchasing something at a flea market, craigslist, etc...there's no way to tell if it's stolen or not.

A search found this link to an online stolen property database. You can put in the serial number and see if it's been reported stolen or not. Could come in handy.

http://www.stolenlostfound.org/

...what happens when you enter a serial number and the item turns out to be stolen? are you prompted to call police and surrender said item? what if you don't? will the site alert police to "hits" and spit out your address and personal info for them?

[freespirit]

hypothetical...

you own several firearms, all registered and legal like.

gubbermint decides you no longer need them and send policy men to collect them (for your own good, of course).

you surrender all your firearms/ammo/etc and are left defenseless.

-or-

you surrender almost all your firearms/ammo/etc, they inquire about missing items.

you say you "lost it in a boating accident" or some such BS, they smile and arrest you.

either way, you're fucked.

now, say you have a bunch of legal firearms, and one or two illegal ones buried where they can do no harm.

policy men come to take all your legal stuff, as a good citizen, you comply with a smile.

once SHTF you can still protect yourself. current rules will be out the window in such a situation.

[sirgonzo420]

hypothetical...

you own several firearms, all registered and legal like.

gubbermint decides you no longer need them and send policy men to collect them (for your own good, of course).

you surrender all your firearms/ammo/etc and are left defenseless.

-or-

you surrender almost all your firearms/ammo/etc, they inquire about missing items.

you say you "lost it in a boating accident" or some such BS, they smile and arrest you.

either way, you're fucked.

now, say you have a bunch of legal firearms, and one or two illegal ones buried where they can do no harm.

policy men come to take all your legal stuff, as a good citizen, you comply with a smile.

once SHTF you can still protect yourself. current rules will be out the window in such a situation.

Yeah but you still have to hope that the armed thugs won't kill/imprison you in such a situation.

I'd rather die on my feet personally.

[freespirit]

Yeah but you still have to hope that the armed thugs won't kill/imprison you in such a situation.

I'd rather die on my feet personally.

i agree.

would you not say that we have to hope they won't kill/imprison us in almost every encounter with them already?

[PlatinumBlonde]

hypothetical...

you own several firearms, all registered and legal like.

gubbermint decides you no longer need them and send policy men to collect them (for your own good, of course).

you surrender all your firearms/ammo/etc and are left defenseless.

-or-

you surrender almost all your firearms/ammo/etc, they inquire about missing items.

you say you "lost it in a boating accident" or some such BS, they smile and arrest you.

either way, you're fucked.

now, say you have a bunch of legal firearms, and one or two illegal ones buried where they can do no harm.

policy men come to take all your legal stuff, as a good citizen, you comply with a smile.

once SHTF you can still protect yourself. current rules will be out the window in such a situation.

F%ck hypothetical. Let's study a real situation. In 1919 or there about the communist jew Bela Kun took over Hungary, he instituted gun control whereby he sent the 'youth brigade' to go door to door to round up the guns. While at these peoples homes they proceed to disarm them first then totally rip off thier valuables and as a parting gesture, rape all the women of the household.

See, that's how real life in communist country works when gun control is initiated..

[sirgonzo420]

i agree.

would you not say that we have to hope they won't kill/imprison us in almost every encounter with them already?

No, I would agree. We are already walking a tightrope with every encounter. It is akin to coming upon a very dangerous animal on the road, versus facing dozens of those animals at the threshold of your home.

[PlatinumBlonde]

...what happens when you enter a serial number and the item turns out to be stolen? are you prompted to call police and surrender said item? what if you don't? will the site alert police to "hits" and spit out your address and personal info for them?

Intinct tell me it's a honey-trap of sorts. Any and all seriel numbers entered results to be 'stolen'..

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

A lot of people would willingly give up their guns if the guvmnt says so. Just look at New Orleans after Katrina. There are plenty that wouldn't and moreover, there are many soldiers that would choose mutiny over firing on their fellow citizens. Any way you slice it, it adds up to civil war.

[midnight rambler]

Receiving stolen property ranges from a misdemeanor to a felony in Texas depending upon the value. Do you not have any such crime in your state??


the idea is to get a stolen or otherwise illegal gun off the streets

How disingenuous. lol

[Sparky]

When I was a boy, my grandfather kept his rifle loaded up over the front door sill.

My father kept his weapons empty and in the closet, except for a weekend hunting trip every five years or so.

Up till now, I've been keeping mine mostly locked up in a gun safe.

Today, we're actually contemplating burying our weapons in secret holes in the yard?

Tomorrow? Phhffft! No mystery there.

The evolution is obvious.

No, no, I think the idea is you only bury some of them, in case the rest get taken away.

[sirgonzo420]

No, no, I think the idea is you only bury some of them, in case the rest get taken away.

Yeah, but I think that part of the point is, is that Santa's grandfather would not have been likely to have his guns "taken away"... he wouldn't LET someone do that.

[freespirit]

Receiving stolen property ranges from a misdemeanor to a felony in Texas depending upon the value. Do you not have any such crime in your state??



How disingenuous. lol

dis·in·gen·u·ous/ˌdisinˈjenyo͞oəs/




Adjective:


Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.







...care to elaborate on whatever point you are trying to make here?

also, i do not have a "state". i live in canada, and the gun control laws here are extremely fucked.

if i were able to procure such an item and it allowed me to better protect my loved ones in a SHTF scenario, you can bet your last piece of silver i would be all for it.

the only law of any significance in such a scenario would be God's Law. other than that, all bets are off afaic.

[midnight rambler]

by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.


"Receiving stolen property is not a crime here."

lololololololol

[freespirit]

i never said "receiving stolen property is not a crime here."

i am not pretending anything.

would you not use any weapon you could, illegal or otherwise to protect the lives of those you love? the implication in your posts is that you would not.

[Horn]

would you not use any weapon you could, illegal or otherwise to protect the lives of those you love? the implication in your posts is that you would not.

Your placement in the human shield line towards the tanks has been recorded.

Someone has to remain alive to pack the bombs.

[Sparky]

Yeah, but I think that part of the point is, is that Santa's grandfather would not have been likely to have his guns "taken away"... he wouldn't LET someone do that.

That's because he didn't have any buried away. Each generation learns from the prior generation. ;)

[Horn]

Burying guns is counter productive. Just place them in the attic next to a knockout view hole.

[midnight rambler]

i am not pretending anything.

It appears you subscribe to moral relativism.

[freespirit]

It appears you subscribe to moral relativism.

as defined by whom?

[midnight rambler]

as defined by whom?

Oh the irony!!! lol

[Horn]

I had a vision of being surrounded by use two in a foxhole.

My brain was splattered on the rear wall by self immolation.

[freespirit]

...I doubt I'll ever actually have an adult discussion with you, without you twisting the context of posts around...
...Also, it's not a crime if there is no victim.

Anything you buy from a private party, there's a chance that it could be stolen. Apparently, you seem to be against private sales, or a barter economy. Go register your TV, and leave me alone.

boy, slowbell... you nailed it right there!
;D

some people just dont get it no matter how you explain it to them. i can't waste any more time on this. it's like talking to a wall.

[freespirit]

I had a vision of being surrounded by use two in a foxhole.

My brain was splattered on the rear wall by self immolation.

come again...? lol

Self-immolation refers to setting oneself on fire, often as a form of protest or for the purposes of martyrdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom) or suicide.

...how would setting oneself on fire cause one's brains to be splattered on the rear wall?? lol

j/k... i get your inference...lol ;)

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lnceFy3xE

[osoab]

Starting the rhetoric up in Illinois today. Everybody's favorite tool, Pat Quinn...
Gov. Quinn to propose assault weapons ban (http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1489221666/Gov-Quinn-to-propose-assault-weapons-ban)
Seems like a complete political stunt.

*** UPDATED x2 *** Quinn pulls media stunt over assault weapons ban (http://capitolfax.com/2012/07/31/quinn-pulls-media-stunt-over-assault-weapons-ban/)

[Half Sense]

The 1943 S&W Victory Model stays with me.

[mick silver]

why would you guys want any of those bad guns in your homes around the kids

[Rubberchicken]

true mick, the wife was fondling the 82A1 in the kitchen, I said wait until the kids are asleep and go outside

[Hatha Sunahara]

I'm not sure how much any of us will need guns in the event of a 'government emergency'. The guns won't do us any good anyway. I'm not suggesting giving them up. I am suggesting that they can be made much more effective if we organize ourselves. In the 1990s, the government freaked out right and left about 'militias' most of which were armed, but the guns aren't what the government feared. They feared the combination of organization and arms. Organized resistance. One of the reasons for such poor performance of our armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan is because they had to fight organized armed groups who had limited, but effective resources. The US Government eventually had to start paying these groups to not use their organization or their weapons, and that is what accounted for the reduction in violence in Iraq--not military dominance.

I'm not worried about the government seizing arms or trashing the constitution. The government itself won't hold together very well and will be forced to come up with resources to protect themselves. The people they send out to seize your weapons get a paycheck. If they are contractors, they have not taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution. All the government employees sent to seize people's weapons will have taken such an oath. If they obey orders to disarm the general public, it is a breach of their oaths, and they no longer represent the government. I think the government would have to be desperate (or extremely brazen) to attempt such a huge undertaking. The only way I see that they will be successful at such an endeavor is if they have cooperation of the people. I wouldn't rule it out, considering the posts I have read in this thread. If there is one thing that most Americans agree on is that they get to keep their weapons. We need to strengthen that resolve.


Hatha

[Sparky]

true mick, the wife was fondling the 82A1 in the kitchen, I said wait until the kids are asleep and go outside

You named yours 82A1?

[midnight rambler]

Apparently, you seem to be against private sales, or a barter economy. Go register your TV, and leave me alone.

You openly condone knowingly dealing in stolen property, particularly stolen guns which is twice as bad as dealing in other stolen goods. It appears you subscribe to moral relativism as well.

[Mouse]

You openly condone knowingly dealing in stolen property, particularly stolen guns which is twice as bad as dealing in other stolen goods. It appears you subscribe to moral relativism as well.

Congrats on derail. Please check in for your next assignment.

[freespirit]

You openly condone knowingly dealing in stolen property, particularly stolen guns which is twice as bad as dealing in other stolen goods. It appears you subscribe to moral relativism as well.

...(năr'ō-mīn'dĭd)
adj.
Lacking tolerance, breadth of view, or sympathy; petty.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/narrow-minded#ixzz22GTt82rj

[Horn]

Its only because he's Canadian that he has to deal in stolen weapons, Joe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPbEXzQPYAc

[Twisted Titan]

F%ck hypothetical. Let's study a real situation. In 1919 or there about the communist jew Bela Kun took over Hungary, he instituted gun control whereby he sent the 'youth brigade' to go door to door to round up the guns. While at these peoples homes they proceed to disarm them first then totally rip off thier valuables and as a parting gesture, rape all the women of the household.

See, that's how real life in communist country works when gun control is initiated..



Béla Kun (1886-1938), born Béla Kohn, was a Hungarian (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Hungary) revolutionary who led the Hungarian Soviet Republic (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic) in 1919.



Never knew about this guy ..........have to do some research

[JDRock]

I recall the second superpower gave some Afghanis aid to help defeat the first, and the terrain does not hurt either.
yes and they hired a man named osama bin laden to do their dirty work...only to murder him later.....he should have fled to iraq,where we installed a man named saddam hussein, oh..wait, we framed and murdered him too.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Béla Kun (1886-1938), born Béla Kohn, was a Hungarian (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Hungary) revolutionary who led the Hungarian Soviet Republic (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic) in 1919.



Never knew about this guy ..........have to do some research


Whoa! Yes, you do.

I always thought Barry would follow his model in terms of policy an governance..

Let me know what you think..

[PlatinumBlonde]

yes and they hired a man named osama bin laden to do their dirty work...only to murder him later.....he should have fled to iraq,where we installed a man named saddam hussein, oh..wait, we framed and murdered him too.

Yeah and that Libyan Gaddawfi guy too..

[JDRock]

i think if you live in a strict gun legislation state, they have in a sense ALREADY come for your guns....oh, heck i just have to crow about 'ol wyoming...they have made things alot less strict in recent years....there are no laws left!