Why do Mormons Love Israel?

[PatColo]

@ the ugly truth blog (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com):

MUST READ–People of the Book Why do Mormons Love Israel? (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/must-read-people-of-the-book-why-do-mormons-love-israel/#more-42849)

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BY OREN KESSLER foreignpolicy.com

Mitt Romney dropped by the Western Wall on Sunday, July 29, but one nearby landmark was conspicuously left off his Israel itinerary: the Jerusalem Center of Brigham Young University (BYU) — or as locals call it with typical directness, “Mormon University.” The presumptive U.S. Republican presidential nominee, in his campaign and throughout his political career, has sought to downplay the significance of his Mormon faith. But though his religion could be a liability for many U.S. evangelicals and other devout Christians (just half of Americans believe Mormons are Christian), it may yet prove a blessing in winning over another high-value constituency: Among all American faith groups, Mormons receive the highest favorability rating from Jews.

read the rest @ TUT blog, paste job loses paragraph breaks here:
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/must-read-people-of-the-book-why-do-mormons-love-israel (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/must-read-people-of-the-book-why-do-mormons-love-israel/)

[Cebu_4_2]

What a fag.
(no offense to any other homos)

[Serpo]

Morons

[JohnQPublic]

They do feel a kinship with jews. First, remember that J. Smith and B. Young became masons (but were kicked out I think). They also saw themselves as a diaspora as they innocently[/s] travelled through the US were "attacked" by everyone else. They also saw the American indigenous as possibly one of the lost tribes.

[Cebu_4_2]

These asshats all need to get a few doses of what they are giving to the so called Batman Killer and appear on camera.

Justice will be served.

Paybacks a bitch.

[PatColo]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57478-The-Ugly-Truth-podcasts).

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!

[osoab]

Seems right that a bunch of fakers would support another bunch of phonies.

[sirgonzo420]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57478-The-Ugly-Truth-podcasts).

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!


Blacks could go to heaven under mormon thought, but couldn't have their own star/planet/whatever until around 1972 when the grand poohbah of modern mormonism had a "revelation" and then all the sudden blacks were acceptable.

[PatColo]

^ maybe the high-earner blacks who're compliant with the 10% tithing? lol

[Santa]

Is everyone required to purchase a beanie before they're allowed in to worship that idiotic wall?

[JDRock]

Strange connection here....while multiple religious groups pressed,paid, even sued to build a church or headquarters in jerusalem (after the jews placed a moratorium on all such -except synagogues) only the mormons got permission to build a temple there....hmmm

[Santa]

Oh, and why is there always at least one of those black hat bastards standing behind the politician suck ups? Every time....

[Tumbleweed]

I did some looking into Joseph Smiths connection with the Jews and Kabbalah. Below is a quote from an article and some reseach looking into the connection between Kabbalah and Mormanism. There is a lot more at this link.

http://www.gnosis.org/jskabb1.htm


What is clear is that Smith and his apostles restated what Moshe Idel, our great living scholar of Kabbalah, persuades me was the archaic or original Jewish religion. . . . My observation certainly does find enormous validity in Smith's imaginative recapture of crucial elements, elements evaded by normative Judaism and by the Church after it. The God of Joseph Smith is a daring revival of the God of some of the Kabbalists and Gnostics, prophetic sages who, like Smith himself, asserted that they had returned to the true religion. . . . Either there was a more direct Kabbalistic influence upon Smith than we know, or, far more likely, his genius reinvented Kabbalah in the effort necessary to restore archaic Judaism.2 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/jskabbfn.htm#1)




While I would not diminish the inventive genius of Joseph Smith, careful reevaluation of historical data suggests there is both a poetic and an unsuspected factual substance to Bloom's thesis. Though yet little understood, from Joseph's adolescent years forward he had repeated, sometime intimate and arguably influential associations with distant legacies of Gnosticism conveyed by Kabbalah and Hermeticism--traditions intertwined in the Renaissance and nurtured through the reformative religious aspirations of three subsequent centuries. Though any sympathy Joseph held for old heresy was perhaps intrinsic to his nature rather than bred by association, the associations didexist. And they hold a rich context of meanings. Of course, the relative import of these interactions in Joseph Smith's history will remain problematic for historians; efforts to revision the Prophet in their light--or to reevaluate our methodology of understanding his history--may evoke a violently response from traditionalists. Nonetheless, these is substantial documentary evidence, material unexplored by Bloom or Mormon historians generally, supporting a much more direct Kabbalistic and Hermetic influences upon Smith and his doctrine of God than has previously been considered possible.


Through his associations with ceremonial magic as a young treasure seer, Smith contacted symbols and lore taken directly from Kabbalah. In his prophetic translation of sacred writ, his hermeneutic method was in nature Kabbalistic. With his initiation into Masonry, he entered a tradition born of the Hermetic-Kabbalistic tradition. These associations culminated in Nauvoo, the period of his most important doctrinal and ritual innovations. During these last years, he enjoyed friendship with a European Jew well-versed in the standard Kabbalistic works and possibly possessing in Nauvoo an extraordinary collection of Kabbalistic books and manuscripts. By 1844 Smith not only was cognizant of Kabbalah, but enlisted theosophic concepts taken directly from its principal text in his most important doctrinal sermon, the "King Follett Discourse."


Smith's concepts of God's plurality, his vision of God as anthropos, and his possession by the issue of sacred marriage, all might have been cross-fertilized by this intercourse with Kabbalistic theosophy--an occult relationship climaxing in Nauvoo. This is a complex thesis; its understanding requires exploration of an occult religious tradition spanning more that a millennium of Western history, an investigation that begins naturally with Kabbalah.

[messianicdruid]

"This is a complex thesis; its understanding requires exploration of an occult religious tradition spanning more that a millennium of Western history, an investigation that begins naturally with Kabbalah."

Bottom line... he didn't get it from being directed by an angel named Moroni to some buried book of gold plates written in an ancient language, but was simply plagarizing everything and everybody that came along, especially the occasional rabbi and wild west paperback writer. Smorgasbord religion run amuck. The sad thing is most mainlaine religions are no better. All have forsaken the "old landmarks" and deserve to be rebuked.

[mick silver]

theres so much wrong here and we keep sticking ours noses over there this make me so sick in so many ways . for once lets worry about the usa and not others this may happen in my life time ... one can only hope ............... back up thanks pat

[madfranks]

Blacks could go to heaven under mormon thought, but couldn't have their own star/planet/whatever until around 1972 when the grand poohbah of modern mormonism had a "revelation" and then all the sudden blacks were acceptable.

Same thing when the federal government was withholding statehood to the early Utah territories because of the prevalence of polygamy. All of a sudden, blamo!, a revelation was received forbidding polygamy and viola, statehood was granted!

[willie pete]

peep-stones; ::)
http://mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html (http://mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html)

[MAGNES]

Mormons are good people.

The Mormon leadership, Church, have always been allied with people associated with
Masonry/Jews/Zionists, etc.

Agents at the top built this " church " .

Imagine if these communities were just old school Christians, a lot has been done to divide the
Christians in the USA going back. There is no question this was by design here, IMO , there is
a lot out there on this, Masonry connections especially.



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BY OREN KESSLER foreignpolicy.com

Mitt Romney dropped by the Western Wall on Sunday, July 29, but one nearby landmark was conspicuously left off his Israel itinerary: the Jerusalem Center of Brigham Young University (BYU) — or as locals call it with typical directness, “Mormon University.”




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ROMNEY'S INTELLIGENCE CHIEF AND CAMPAIGN ADVISER
Mitt Romney named Michael Chertoff (http://www.politickernj.com/51511/romney-taps-chertoff-campaign-advisor), the Israeli agent who supervised the destruction of the crucial evidence (http://www.bollyn.com/the-911-cover-up-the-destruction-of-the-steel-evidence) of 9/11, co-chair of his counterterrorism and intelligence advisory committee in October 2011. The 9/11 cover-up continues.

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ROMNEY'S ISRAELI HANDLER
Orit Gadiesh (age 60) is a high-level Israeli military intelligence agent at Bain & Co. who has worked closely with Mitt Romney for decades.
Orit Gadiesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orit_Gadiesh), former "War Room" assistant to Ezer Weizman and Moshe Dayan, is the daughter of Israeli Brigadier General Falk Gadiesh (born Falk Gruenfeld, Berlin, 1921) and his Ukrainian-born wife. Gadiesh is chairman of the management consulting firm Bain & Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_%28consulting%29), the parent company of Bain Capital, and was the company's managing director under CEO Mitt Romney in 1992. "She's like a Jewish mother figure to many of the people at Bain," ex-Bainie Dan Quinn told Fortune (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1996/01/15/207161/index.htm) magazine in 1996.

----------------------------------------------------------
Update

from Mitt Romney's official website.
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2011/12/romney-lets-work-together-israel-because-were-partners

Mitt Romney: “I've also known Bibi Netanyahu for a long time;
we worked together at Boston Consulting Group."

[Gaillo]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57478-The-Ugly-Truth-podcasts).

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!

I've lived near Mormons for almost my entire life, and I can tell you that several points in your post, while not entirely false, are a bit "off" from the truth.

1) As others have correctly pointed out, blacks were suddenly "in" in 1972 after a "revelation". At this point, they actively recruit members from black nations and areas, particularly Polynesian and African.

2) Mormons are, indeed, over-represented in the alphabet soup agencies, PARTICULARLY the FBI, which has the highest Mormon population of any federal agency. However, the reason for this is not loyalty to Israel (although that might be part of it) but rather the nature of Mormon culture. They're taught early in their lives to respect and obey authority without question, and their tight-knit family/community structure makes background checks easy and trouble-free to pass. They are considered "model agents" due to their clean-shaven, non-drinking, non-smoking, non-gambling "family man" values. Also, their requirement to go on a church "mission" requires most of them to learn at least one additional language, which fed agencies find to be a valuable bonus.

3) The Mormon church has downplayed the importance of food storage and self-sufficiency BIG TIME in the last few decades... It used to be a 2-year supply, then 1-year, then 6-months, then hardly mentioned. In fact, I've heard it "through the grapevine" in the last few years that heavy prepping is being investigated by the bishops (local church leaders) and that Mormons who continue such endeavors are actually being reprimanded and told to ease up so as not to cause "problems" in their local communities. Don't know the truth of the matter, I'm NOT Mormon, but this is what I've heard from some who are.

4) You're correct about the 10% tithing bit... it is VERY important to them, and I've heard a great many stories about how the bishops reprimand followers who don't "cough up the dough". They also often ask (can't legally require, though...) for the member's tax returns, so they can verify no "cheating" is occurring.

I'm pretty sure there are 1 or 2 Mormon members at GS-US, I welcome any corrections or additions to the above from them.

[Skirnir_]

I just thought of a wonderful target for public urination.

[PatColo]

in today's Mark Dankof podcast, he starts by reciting that whole article in the OP, then discusses it beginning around 12:00, "Romney's a heretic..." Then guest E. Michael Jones, I'm just listening now.

Wednesday, August 1, 2012 Mark Dankof’s America August 1, 2012 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/08/mark-dankofs-america-august-1-2012.html)

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Mark Dankof interviews Dr. E. Michael Jones concerning the massacre in Colorado perpetrated by James Holmes. The Colorado Theater Massacre–a planned event or just the simple consequence of a violence-drenched society subject to the paralyzing effects of Jewish owned media? Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/3/569/show_3569867.mp3) Download (http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/3/569/show_3569867.mp3) Show-page (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/mark-dankofs-america-aug-1-2012/)

[sirgonzo420]

I just thought of a wonderful target for public urination.

Good luck with that.

Methinks that one attempting that would soon be followed by a very angry mob of black hats.

But a formidable target it would make, indeed...

[Skirnir_]

Good luck with that.

Methinks that one attempting that would soon be followed by a very angry mob of black hats.

But a formidable target it would make, indeed...

They are all at the bottom, so if I were to get to the top, I may even be able to do #2 off the edge.

[sirgonzo420]

They are all at the bottom, so if I were to get to the top, I may even be able to do #2 off the edge.

Kudos to you, sir, for that fine mental image!

[Janadele]

It is always best to keep to the facts rather than imaginary rhetoric. ;D
Try : http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng
Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always been based on spiritual worthiness. All races welcome. There was a short period of time years ago when the Lord withheld the responsibility of holding the Priesthood from the Negro male, that is not so today.


I'd have to find the source- word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what...

[PatColo]

Thx Janedele, & welcome to GSUS :) I'm guessing you're practicing Mormon? I failed to mention, I lived a year in Central Utah during high school, and recall the SLC, Provo, Ogden etc scenes well, from my occasional outings to the BIG CITY! And the terrific National Parks there, too. :) I didn't make my way to ZION NP (http://www.nps.gov/zion/) though, I'm afraid. :(

Any remarks on Gaillo's observations?


I've lived near Mormons for almost my entire life, and I can tell you that several points in your post, while not entirely false, are a bit "off" from the truth.

1) As others have correctly pointed out, blacks were suddenly "in" in 1972 after a "revelation". At this point, they actively recruit members from black nations and areas, particularly Polynesian and African.

2) Mormons are, indeed, over-represented in the alphabet soup agencies, PARTICULARLY the FBI, which has the highest Mormon population of any federal agency. However, the reason for this is not loyalty to Israel (although that might be part of it) but rather the nature of Mormon culture. They're taught early in their lives to respect and obey authority without question, and their tight-knit family/community structure makes background checks easy and trouble-free to pass. They are considered "model agents" due to their clean-shaven, non-drinking, non-smoking, non-gambling "family man" values. Also, their requirement to go on a church "mission" requires most of them to learn at least one additional language, which fed agencies find to be a valuable bonus.

3) The Mormon church has downplayed the importance of food storage and self-sufficiency BIG TIME in the last few decades... It used to be a 2-year supply, then 1-year, then 6-months, then hardly mentioned. In fact, I've heard it "through the grapevine" in the last few years that heavy prepping is being investigated by the bishops (local church leaders) and that Mormons who continue such endeavors are actually being reprimanded and told to ease up so as not to cause "problems" in their local communities. Don't know the truth of the matter, I'm NOT Mormon, but this is what I've heard from some who are.

4) You're correct about the 10% tithing bit... it is VERY important to them, and I've heard a great many stories about how the bishops reprimand followers who don't "cough up the dough". They also often ask (can't legally require, though...) for the member's tax returns, so they can verify no "cheating" is occurring.

I'm pretty sure there are 1 or 2 Mormon members at GS-US, I welcome any corrections or additions to the above from them.

[midnight rambler]

when the Lord withheld the responsibility of holding the Priesthood from the Negro male

Care to elaborate on how 'the Lord' conveyed this?

[Janadele]

10% tithing is voluntary. No pressure is applied nor tax returns required.

The importance of food storage and self-sufficiency is stressed as much, in fact more, than ever.

[Janadele]

Revelation to His Prophet.

Care to elaborate on how 'the Lord' conveyed this?

[midnight rambler]

Revelation to His Prophet.

I see.

I get Revelations from the Lord all the time. Are my Revelations on par with 'His Prophet'? I certainly don't see why not...

[PatColo]

I'll concede one thing about Romney: He's a smooth & charismatic talker, no matter what he says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9L9A1IMTQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9L9A1IMTQo

[sirgonzo420]

I see.

I get Revelations from the Lord all the time. Are my Revelations on par with 'His Prophet'? I certainly don't see why not...


Depends... are you wearing your sacred underwear?

[midnight rambler]

Depends... are you wearing your sacred underwear?

I have to wear Depends?? ??? Does 'His Prophet' wear Depends?? What exactly is it that makes Depends 'sacred'??

3334

[sirgonzo420]

Here's a fun, succinct video that gives an in-a-nutshell version of mormonism.

Enjoy.

:)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

[Janadele]

Shame on you Pat. Just more proof that Mitt's opposition have to resort to lies and misrepresentations as they nothing else.

[midnight rambler]

Shame on you Pat. Just more proof that Mitt's opposition have to resort to lies and misrepresentations as they nothing else.

"By their fruits they shall be known..."

Mittens is a dyed-in-the-wool collectivist (actually a fascist), in perfect sync with that other collectivist (the Communist in Chief), deal with it -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Also, Mittens has already established himself is just another infernal gungrabber, there's NO denying that.

[Janadele]

sirgonzo, What is enjoyable or constructive in viewing misrepresentations, lies, and distortions of the facts? Time is precious, why waste it?

[sirgonzo420]

sirgonzo, What is enjoyable or constructive in viewing misrepresentations, lies, and distortions of the facts? Time is precious, why waste it?

Kindly point out the misrepresentations.

I hold no ill will towards mormons... I just find it disingenuous that they often (mis)represent their religion as Christianity, when it is quite different from virtually every "mainstream" interpretation of Christianity. Here's a thread that I started last year after a couple "Elders" stopped by my house: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55172-a-couple-mormons-stopped-by-today

Are Jesus and Lucifer brothers?

Do good mormons get their own planet/star?

Does God live on Kolob?

Are you wearing secret sacred underwear?

Is lying permitted for mormons?

[PatColo]

Shame on you Pat. Just more proof that Mitt's opposition have to resort to lies and misrepresentations as they nothing else.

no worries, Mittens' competition aint much better- he actually lip synchs his public speaking engagements!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyPAaubENE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyPAaubENE

"Trick the Bridesmaid", indeed! :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehYoIKTsiV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehYoIKTsiV0

[Janadele]

sirgonzo, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is most certainly "Christian". The Lord Jesus Christ is at the head of the LDS Church, and it is He who directs it through revelation to His living Prophets.

[sirgonzo420]

sirgonzo, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is most certainly "Christian". The Lord Jesus Christ is at the head of the LDS Church, and it is He who directs it through revelation to His living Prophets.

Yes, but the significance of Jesus Christ comes from the notion that we happen to live on His planet, and that there are many other planets that are ruled by other, equally powerful gods.

Is this not correct?



I am not trying to beat up on you or anything... I just find mormonism to be quite interesting.

[Janadele]

sirgonzo, We earthly mortals need first concern ourselves with this life and planet as we prepare ourselves for when we pass to the next stage of our eternal life. One step at a time, precept upon precept.

[Janadele]

“284: If You Could Hie to Kolob,” Hymns of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

1. If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning,
Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation,
Where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers,
“No man has found ‘pure space,’
Nor seen the outside curtains,
Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue,
And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression
Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter;
There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit;
There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue;
There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom;
There is no end to light.
There is no end to union;
There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood;
There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.

Text: William W. Phelps, 1792–1872

Music: English melody, arr. Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1872–1958, from the English Hymnal. Used by permission of Oxford University Press.

Abraham 3:1–4, 9

Moses 1:3–4, 33–39




Does God live on Kolob?

[sirgonzo420]

Sorry if I let any cats out of any bags... luckily I don't know any LDS secret handshakes.

You must admit that the connection between the Bible and "mainstream" Christianity and mormonism is quite slim and flimsy.

For example, why is Kolob not mentioned in the Bible? Is the Book of Mormon more important than the Bible? Why doesn't the Bible mention the Garden of Eden being in Missouri? Or Lucifer and Jesus being brothers? Why doesn't the Bible detail the nature of the "Priesthood"? Didn't Joseph Smith himself say that he was more important that Jesus Christ?

There is a definite element of deception/occultism (hiding true beliefs from new/prospective converts) in mormonism, would you agree?

Other than masquerading as a Biblical Christian denomination in an attempt to gain new converts, I don't have a problem with mormonism. I think mormons are often "good people" and their gnostic theology does not bother me like it would bother others here. I am neither christian, nor mormon, nor a jew, nor an atheist.

[Horn]

As threats and realities of violence drove the Mormons further west from New York to Ohio, Missouri, and then Illinois, survival and seeking new converts became their main focus. In 1844, vigilantes killed Smith in Illinois. His successor, Brigham Young, decided to head for the Great Basin, and the church's policy toward Native Americans became a vital matter. As his followers prepared to leave, Young admonished them to treat the American Indians fairly and take up the duty to convert them whenever possible.


The Mormons' interaction with Native Americans remained friendly until they clashed over limited resources. Young had purposely selected the arid Great Basin as the Latter-day Saints' new home due to its ruggedness. He wanted church members to grow closer as they struggled to build Zion, and he wanted outsiders to pass by on their way to greener locations. But Young's plan failed to take into consideration that Native Americans already were using the Great Basin's resources to capacity.


As Mormons poured into Salt Lake City, settlers appropriated rivers, streams, and springs. They fenced off productive land and used up raw materials such as pine-nut bearing trees. This caused no immediate conflict, but upon discovering their loss, members of the local Ute tribe demanded access to their resources and, when denied, simply did what they had long done and took what had been theirs.


As the Mormon population grew, tensions escalated. Infertile soil and a lack of water made it impossible to quickly create dense, sedentary settlements, so Young sent newcomers farther from Salt Lake City. Unwilling to change plans, he advised against provoking the Native Americans, but soon allowed ruthless punishment of any Indian caught stealing or harming a settler or his property.


http://www.onlinenevada.org/mormons_and_native_americans:_a_historical_overvie w

[Janadele]

Thank you for your interest sirgonzo. Rather than derail this thread further, I have started a new thread for genuine questions: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62718-The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-Pro-thread-G-Rated&p=562416#post562416

[mick silver]

bavk up thanks all

[old steel]

WTF did i stumble into Sunday School class on a Friday no less?

Mormonism is a cult all religions are cults.

Lesson over.

[old steel]

“284: If You Could Hie to Kolob,” Hymns of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

1. If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning,
Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation,
Where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers,
“No man has found ‘pure space,’
Nor seen the outside curtains,
Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue,
And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression
Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter;
There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit;
There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue;
There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom;
There is no end to light.
There is no end to union;
There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood;
There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.

Text: William W. Phelps, 1792–1872

Music: English melody, arr. Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1872–1958, from the English Hymnal. Used by permission of Oxford University Press.

Abraham 3:1–4, 9

Moses 1:3–4, 33–39

Awesome, i've got one to share as well. Picture included at the end

Elder Sitati Sings "Why Me You Say" - Sing along to the tune of "YMCA by The Village People" 10/31/2009 - by cricket

Black man, you're now a Mo of renown
Yes, sir, Black man, with The Brethren get down.
Yes, sir, Black man, you're the new G.A. in town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Black man, off to General Conference you go
Sustain you, man, now you roll in the dough.
At Temple Square, I am sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to pray, Lord why me? You say.
It's fun to obey just like a slave G.A.

The Brethren make sure you really enjoy,
You can hang with the G.A. boys ...

Yeah man! I am the the first Black G.A.
Since nine-teen seventy-eight, it's all okay.

You can wash and annoint, you can preach with zeal
You can do whatever you feel ...

Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you're a GA's wet dream
But you've got to know this one thing!

No man is called all by himself,
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf,
And you will become a G.A. some day
Sure Jesus can help you, unless you are gay.

It's fun to play, the Lord made me this way.
Just so I'd be the first Black G.A. some day.

They have everything that you need to enjoy,
Hey, I just love being the Lord's new toy!

It's fun to say, I'm the first Black G.A.
My story is sell'n at Deseret Book, so pay!

Do you get what I mean, I've got that appeal,
White man's quilt is what you all feel ...

Young man, I was once in your shoes.
At church, I was down and out with the blues.
For the priesthood I could not strive
I felt Mormon doctrine was so jive ...

That's when Tommy Monson came up to me,
And said, "Black man, take up this calling with glee.
Now is great PR time, this is your day,
I can start you back on your way."

It's fun to stray from Brigham Young's way
It's a matter of time 'til being gay is okay.

G.A.'s have all that you need to enjoy
So what if "I'm really just their black decoy!"

Why me you say?
Bring on the Mo-bling, don't delay.
Black man, young man there's no need to feel down
Black man, young man you're gaining some ground!

Why me you say?
Then just go and pray and obey.

Black man, young man you can wear temple shoes
Black man, young man, you're the hot news!

Why me you say?

3337

[singular_me]

sirgonzo, We earthly mortals need first concern ourselves with this life and planet as we prepare ourselves for when we pass to the next stage of our eternal life. One step at a time, precept upon precept.

hey Janadele, for something to be (absolute) Truth, it has to be validated in every possible situation and times , and of course this regardless of planetary location/dimensions... The Universe/Reality being what it IS.

[singular_me]

sirgonzo, We earthly mortals need first concern ourselves with this life and planet as we prepare ourselves for when we pass to the next stage of our eternal life. One step at a time, precept upon precept.

hey Janadele, for something to be (absolute) Truth, it has to be validated in every possible situation and times , and of course this regardless of planetary location/dimensions... The Universe/Reality being what it IS.

[Janadele]

Yes, singular-me, there is great knowledge and wonders available to us once we are prepared to receive it. But first an understanding of the basics is required.

[midnight rambler]

Yes, singular-me, there is great knowledge and wonders available to us once we are prepared to receive it. But first an understanding of the basics is required.

How in the world is it possible for one to have "great knowledge" when one does not "understand the basics" with respect to Mittens Obomney being in league with the Babylonian Luciferian Talmudists?? ???

Remove the scales from your eyes!

[gunDriller]

Yes, singular-me, there is great knowledge and wonders available to us once we are prepared to receive it. But first an understanding of the basics is required.


i'd settle for learning the basics of watering plants. especially to prepare for a heat wave.

i'm learning there's nothing like a good long soak with an oscillating sprinkler, on areas that are highly sloped.

otherwise the water runs off too fast.


maybe this is what Mittney learns when he visits the Kibbutz ?

[Janadele]

Personally, I favour a hand held hose, spraying the leaves, soaking the roots... at dawn and dusk.


i'd settle for learning the basics of watering plants. especially to prepare for a heat wave.
i'm learning there's nothing like a good long soak with an oscillating sprinkler, on areas that are highly sloped. otherwise the water runs off too fast.

[PatColo]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57478-The-Ugly-Truth-podcasts).

I looked up the above question- surely I botched the story above, never been a Bible scholar! It's:


Curse of Ham

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Ksenophontov_noah.jpg/200px-Ksenophontov_noah.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ksenophontov_noah.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.20wmf8/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ksenophontov_noah.jpg)
Noah damning Ham, 19th-century painting by Ivan Stepanovitch Ksenofontov

(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ivan_Stepanovitch_Ksenofontov&action=edit&redlink=1)The Curse of Ham (more properly called the Curse of Canaan) is the biblical incident in the Book of Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis) (Genesis 9:20–27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?passage=Gen.%209%3A20%E2%80%9327;&version=9;)) where Ham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_%28son_of_Noah%29)'s father Noah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah) placed a curse upon Ham's son Canaan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_%28son_of_Ham%29). Genesis tells how Noah, the first "husbandman" (farmer), was also the first to cultivate the vine and make wine. After Noah became drunk, and was "uncovered within his tent", his son Ham "saw the nakedness of his father" and told his two brothers, Shem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem) and Japheth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japheth), who then covered Noah with a cloak while averting their eyes. When Noah awoke and "knew what his younger son had done to him", he pronounced the curse, not on Ham, but on Ham's son Canaan. Canaan was condemned to be a "servant of servants...to his brothers".

Questions raised by this story, especially regarding the nature of Ham's transgression, and the question of why Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned, have been debated for over two thousand years.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#cite_note-0) The original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan) to the Israelites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#cite_note-Alter_2008_52.E2.80.9353-1) but in later centuries, was used by Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews),[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#cite_note-2) Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians) and Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims) to be interpreted as a curse of, and explanation for, black skin.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#cite_note-4)

Contents



1 Genesis narrative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Genesis_narrative)
2 Analysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Analysis)

2.1 Ham's transgression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Ham.27s_transgression)
2.2 Canaan's punishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Canaan.27s_punishment)


3 Curse of Ham and slavery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Curse_of_Ham_and_slavery)

3.1 Origin of the "Curse of Ham" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Origin_of_the_.22Curse_of_Ham.22)
3.2 Medieval serfdom and 'Pseudo-Berossus' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Medieval_serfdom_and_.27Pseudo-Berossus.27)
3.3 European/American slavery, 17th–18th centuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#European.2FAmerican_slavery.2C_17th.E 2.80.9318th_centuries)
3.4 Latter Day Saint movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Latter_Day_Saint_movement)


4 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#See_also)
5 Notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Notes)
6 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#References)
7 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#External_links)

[PatColo]

I ill-advisedly started a new thread,
Thread: LDS/Mormon Church. Critical Questions/Issues Thread. R Rated. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62736-LDS-Mormon-Church-Critical-Questions-Issues-Thread-R-Rated)

which I've since locked, with an explanation at the top. This thread is already developed enough; best to just continue the dialog here, rather that splintering the subject among different threads. Here's the OP of that locked thread:


NOTE: Locking this thread, it's too redundant with Thread: Why do Mormons Love Israel? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62669-Why-do-Mormons-Love-Israel). I'm gonna paste the OP below into that thread, as a reply (see reply #57)

LDS/Mormon Church is in the news, with the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, standing a strong chance of being installed (dismissing our fake US elections (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?53978-FAKE-quot-ELECTIONS-quot-Why-Ron-Paul-Can-t-quot-Win-quot)) by our dark overlords (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23047-The-Zionist-Elephant-In-The-Room), as US President/Zio-Puppet next January. Romney is ostensibly a practicing Mormon.

Let this thread now be "LDS/Mormon Church. Critical Questions/Issues Thread. R Rated" - the evil companion thread to:
Thread: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Pro thread. G Rated. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62718-The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-Pro-thread-G-Rated)

I get the impression that the OP of that thread, Janadele, a new GSUS member, active Mormon, and enthusiastic Romney supporter, http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=15777&dateline=1344001518 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/member.php?15777-Janadele)

...wishes for that thread to be sort of a virtual Mormon literature distribution thread, with questions which are critical of the LDS/Mormon Church, being neither welcome nor responded to (beyond ad-hom attacks on the messengers as being simply "anti-Mormon", if not also satanists who seek to deceive in subtle ways (http://zioncrimefactory.com/2011/09/23/the-psychological-projections-of-organized-jewry/), >:D). See the dialog beginning here (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62718-The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-Pro-thread-G-Rated&p=562706&viewfull=1#post562706) to flesh that claim out further. It'll be interesting how such a thread, with such "OP Rules", survives here @ GSUS- we'll just see how that plays itself out.. :D

Other good threads worth review & consideration here, include:
Thread: Why do Mormons Love Israel? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62669-Why-do-Mormons-Love-Israel)

Thread: Mitt-For-Brains and the 9-11 Cover-Up - Bollyn (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62692-Mitt-For-Brains-and-the-9-11-Cover-Up-Bollyn)

Janadele (and all LDS/Mormon Church members) are welcome and encouraged to inhabit this "LDS/Mormon Church. Critical Questions/Issues Thread. R Rated" thread where questions which are critical of the LDS/Mormon Church are both welcome and encouraged, to correct/coach/counsel/convert us. :D


So with that said, here was the first & only reply in that thread, and oh look, it's from me! ;)


guest writer @ Makow, reader comments developing, see link. Many have observed the apparent closeness between LDS and Masonry.

How All Masonic Movements Work (http://www.henrymakow.com/how_all_masonic_movements_work.html)

August 3, 2012

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/dodd.jpeg
(left. In 1952, Bella Dodd, a former member of the executive
of CPUSA testified about Communist subversion to a Senate Committee.)

The rank & file are betrayed. Humanity is now structured this way.

by Mary Henry
(henrymakow.com)

Bella Dodd's Senate Committee testimony (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/english/melani/bc/senate_1952/dodd1.html) reveals how all Masonically-structured movements work whether in government, religion or business.

Good people get involved because they wish to change society for the better.

People know there is strength in numbers and enjoy the camaraderie of like minded people.

These organizations show themselves eventually when the originally perceived goals of the joiners do not seem as important to the leadership anymore or are even contradictory to the original intent.

It is much easier to infiltrate a group of people who already belong to an organization with a central figure and a leader or leaders who have established a general appeal.

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/sprotests1.jpegHARNESSING AND DIRECTING DISCONTENT

Common discontent and even anger owned by the masses is potent for fueling the progress and spread of the Masonic agenda.

Recently, hundreds of thousands of Spaniards are protesting additional austerity cuts in Spain to bail out the nation due to the banking crisis .There have been violent clashes with police; even police clashing with their own police brothers who off duty and joined the protesters in the streets.

American News has not been giving full coverage to these events choosing to concentrate on the Olympics instead.

People have also taken to the streets in Saudi Arabia.
Greeks have been protesting along with Italians. Syria is an ongoing revolution. Egypt, and so on........

The common suffering and loss of hope has to do with austerity cuts inflicted on the populace because of the banking debacles and widespread unemployment.

There is nothing new in the historical pattern for governmental change except for lies used as smokescreens to disguise a core goal.

The group that will emerge to solve the banking debt crisis and offer hope to the unemployed and financially distressed will eventually succeed in establishing a global government.

ILLUMINATI COMMUNISTS INFILTRATE EDUCATION


Read below what Bella Dodd had to say as to how the Teacher's Union was targeted by Communists. Note the use of "cells' in the pattern. It is also interesting to read how many Communists pleaded the Fifth Amendment. Note how curriculum was considered important.

Having home schooled my youngest all the way through to college level, I now laugh when I hear all the solutions offered to fix our nation's public school system!

I met with our own local public school Superintendent and Curriculum Planner on several occasions. I met with several people on school boards in my state and knew many teachers who themselves chose to home school their own children.

I also had the opportunity to speak with many educated in the USSR under Communism and came to one conclusion.

Curriculum is one big tool used to change society and change the trajectory of government. This means is not immediate but is employed for the long term goal of nation changing.

In the USSR, I was told that no matter which grade level or state one moved to, the curricula was always the same. All the children learned to speak English starting in the fourth-grade level.

The method and texts to learning mathematics, reading and composition were always the same as were the historical and civic materials. Loyalty to the ethic of Communism was taught as the paramount virtue above family and friendship.

By the middle-school age, the career path of each student was already established.

USA FOLLOWS

Profiteering by educational publishing companies here has created all types of new theories and textbooks.

In the early 1990's, one school board member told me that committees for the oversight of public educational texts had decided to promote women and homosexuals in public school systems.

In other words, a textbook would only be approved if an equal number of homosexual military heroes, artists ,writers and statesmen along with females were used to balance out the males.

Many librarians were forced to trash or sell older literature to be replaced with politically correct materials.

Books featuring titles similar to "I have two Mommies" were to be highlighted, opened and standing on end on the helves in the children's reading rooms.

Librarians were also concerned that the new cards would be used to track types and themes of reading material individuals borrowed from the libraries.

Conspiracy theory or happenstance? You decide.

http://www.henrymakow.com/how_all_masonic_movements_work.html

[JDRock]

Sorry if I let any cats out of any bags... luckily I don't know any LDS secret handshakes.

You must admit that the connection between the Bible and "mainstream" Christianity and mormonism is quite slim and flimsy.

For example, why is Kolob not mentioned in the Bible? Is the Book of Mormon more important than the Bible? Why doesn't the Bible mention the Garden of Eden being in Missouri? Or Lucifer and Jesus being brothers? Why doesn't the Bible detail the nature of the "Priesthood"? Didn't Joseph Smith himself say that he was more important that Jesus Christ?

There is a definite element of deception/occultism (hiding true beliefs from new/prospective converts) in mormonism, would you agree?

Other than masquerading as a Biblical Christian denomination in an attempt to gain new converts, I don't have a problem with mormonism. I think mormons are often "good people" and their gnostic theology does not bother me like it would bother others here. I am neither christian, nor mormon, nor a jew, nor an atheist.
well put.

[Gaillo]

well put.

Which is EXACTLY why it won't be receiving a response from our newly registered Romnobot.

[Janadele]

:)*#*
The spawn of darkness cannot abide the light of Heavenly Revelation. %^^^%

[mick silver]

so should we go to war all over the world whats your take on this

[Skirnir_]

To think that none of this nonsense would have come to pass had someone just whacked that Roman sack of shit Constantine.

[Santa]

The spawn of darkness cannot abide the light of Heavenly Revelation. http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%2872%29.gif

I think there's a remedy for that Romnoidal affliction you have. It's called Preparation H. :)

[Tumbleweed]

Pastor Manning interviewed Tricia Erickson a former Morman bishops daughter. She left the mormon church in her early twenties and became a christian. She says before their deaths both of her parents converted to christianity. I like pastor Manning and this is a good interview in my opinion that confirms much of what I've learned about the mormon church and teachings.

The interview covers a lot or all of the things being discussed in this thread and others here now. Erickson says the mormans were quick to kill in the early days and mentions Jews were killed along with blacks and indians. I don't really believe that and have never read anywhere else anything about them killing jews. I may be wrong about that though.

She has written a book about Mitt Romney and that he should not even be considered for President because of his beliefs and teachings of the mormon religion. She speaks about the mormon belief of eternal progression and that Mitt is working his way towards getting his own planet and becoming a god. He has to do everything the mormon church tells him to do to attain his own planet and become a god.

One other thing I didn't like was when she was talking about voting she promoted voting for Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich but didn't mention Ron Paul. This interview was done back in March.

This is long but it's pretty interesting.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=LO9_3Cu8cEA&NR=1

[Janadele]

Writing books, even those based on lies and misrepresentations, on subjects which can be made controversial, can be a lucrative exercise. Ex's are usually bitter. LOL ;D

[Tumbleweed]

Writing books, even those based on lies and misrepresentations, on subjects which can be made controversial, can be a lucrative exercise. Ex's are usually bitter. LOL ;D

I don't think she's bitter but she is concerned for this country and good people who have been misled by Joseph Smith and his church.

[midnight rambler]

I'm all in favor of anything which truthfully exposes the high weirdness of the super creepy hardcore Mor(m)ons.

Overlooking the ties to (human) blood sacrificing Lucifer worshipers, getting one's own planet and becoming a god. Indeed. Almost on par with L. Ron Hubbard's flock, except far worse. lol

[sirgonzo420]

I'm all in favor of anything which truthfully exposes the high weirdness of the super creepy hardcore Mor(m)ons.

Overlooking the ties to (human) blood sacrificing Lucifer worshipers, getting one's own planet and becoming a god. Indeed. Almost on par with L. Ron Hubbard's flock, except far worse. lol

Hey now... it's not worse than the LRH crowd.... LDS is much cheaper than LRH.

I am still partial to LSD, myself.

[PatColo]

Chairman of ‘Jewish Americans for Romney’ says Jews have ‘superior’ claims to land (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/chairman-of-jewish-americans-for-romney-says-jews-have-superior-claims-to-land/)

Posted by crescentandcross (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/author/crescentandcross/) in Uncategorized (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/) on August 13, 2012


http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/08/HasnerGeller.jpg

Read the rest of this entry » (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/chairman-of-jewish-americans-for-romney-says-jews-have-superior-claims-to-land/#more-43434)

[PatColo]

just listening now, Mormon discussion begins @ 5:30, an overview of the parallels between LDS & Judaism. I understand Giuliani was formerly in some flavor of Christian seminary, and dropped out or was kicked out when he asked the wrong questions.

Monday, August 13, 2012

Truth Hertz with Charles Giuliani 2012.08.13 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/08/truth-hertz-with-charles-giuliani_13.html)


http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/images/charles.jpg (http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archives.php?who=Truth_Hertz)
Charles talks about Mormons and then discusses the Wisconsin shooting. He ends the show with the Clinton scandal which will be continued tomorrow.


64k Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/q9m508gucq/truth_hertz_with_charles_giuliani_2012.08.13.mp3)

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[gunDriller]

so should we go to war all over the world whats your take on this


Simple.

we just need to pass a law whereby the sons & daughters of our un-esteemed elected representatives (e.g. Nancy's Pelosi's children or grandchildren) are required to serve on the front lines of whatever war she votes to authorize or fund.

and maybe another, whereby the sons & daughters of Israeli representatives are on the front lines of American wars.


our foreign policy would change right quick.

[Old Herb Lady]

Does Mitt Romney Think He’s a Jew?

http://awaypoint.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/does-mitt-romney-think-hes-a-jew/

[PatColo]

What Sheldon Adelson Wants (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/opinion/sunday/what-sheldon-adelson-wants.html?_r=2&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211_20120624)


http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/user/20/sheldon_adelson_rtr_img.jpg

nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/opinion/sunday/what-sheldon-adelson-wants.html?_r=2&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211_20120624)

No American is dedicating as much of his money to defeat President Obama as Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate who also happens to have made more money in the last three years than any other American. He is the perfect illustration of the squalid state of political money, spending sums greater than any political donation in history to advance his personal, ideological and financial agenda, which is wildly at odds with the nation’s needs.


Mr. Adelson spent $20 million to prop up Newt Gingrich’s failed candidacy for the Republican nomination. Now, he has given $10 million to a Mitt Romney super PAC, and has pledged at least $10 million to Crossroads GPS, the advocacy group founded by Karl Rove that is running attack ads against Mr. Obama and other Democrats. Another $10 million will probably go to a similar group founded by the Koch brothers, and $10 million more to Republican Congressional super PACs.


That’s $60 million we know of (other huge donations may be secret), and it may be only a down payment. Mr. Adelson has made it clear he will fully exploit the anything-goes world created by the federal courts to donate a “limitless” portion of his $25 billion fortune to defeat the president and as many Democrats as he can take down.


One man cannot spend enough to ensure the election of an unpopular candidate, as Mr. Gingrich’s collapse showed, but he can buy enough ads to help push a candidate over the top in a close race like this year’s. Given that Mr. Romney was not his first choice, why is Mr. Adelson writing these huge checks?


The first answer is clearly his disgust for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, supported by President Obama and most Israelis. He considers a Palestinian state “a steppingstone for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people,” and has called the Palestinian prime minister a terrorist. He is even further to the right than the main pro-Israeli lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which he broke with in 2007 when it supported economic aid to the Palestinians.


Mr. Romney is only slightly better, saying the Israelis want a two-state solution but the Palestinians do not, accusing them of wanting to eliminate Israel. The eight-figure checks are not paying for a more enlightened answer.


Mr. Adelson’s other overriding interest is his own wallet. He rails against the president’s “socialist-style economy” and redistribution of wealth, but what he really fears is Mr. Obama’s proposal to raise taxes on companies like his that make a huge amount of money overseas. Ninety percent of the earnings of his company, the Las Vegas Sands Corporation, come from hotel and casino properties in Singapore and Macau. (The latter is located, by the way, in China, a socialist country the last time we checked.)


Because of the lower tax rate in those countries (currently zero in Macau), the company now has a United States corporate tax rate of 9.8 percent, compared with the statutory rate of 35 percent. President Obama has repeatedly proposed ending the deductions and credits that allow corporations like Las Vegas Sands to shelter billions in income overseas, but has been blocked by Republicans.


Mr. Obama’s Justice Department is also investigating whether Mr. Adelson’s Macau operations violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, an inquiry that Mr. Adelson undoubtedly hopes will go away in a Romney administration. For such a man, at a time when there are no legal or moral limits to the purchase of influence, spending tens of millions is a pittance to elect Republicans who promise to keep his billions intact.

[DMac]

Bumparino. Adelson gives me the creeps, a sickly looking muppet.

[ArizonaDad]

I'm ArizonaDad, and I'm a Mormon.

I don't think it is fair to state that Mormons love Jews. I haven't read much of the thread, and I won't be checking in to see who flames me, or who asks me silly questions. But please allow me to add some clarity on how many of us Mormons feel about Israel, and the Jews.

We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. But we don't hide behind that. We believe the Bible to mean exactly what it says, and have very few specific instances where a correction needs to be made in translation. The Bible says, in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that Israel will be attacked from the North in the near future by an immense force. Jesus will return in the midst of the attack and miraculously rescue Israel and destroy its attackers.

No matter what Israel or the Jews do in the meantime, we have to be on Jesus's side at that time, and Jesus will be on the side of Israel.

[joboo]

The end times prophesy types will be the only real end of most life forms on earth. It will not come from one of the many hundreds of god's written about in books over the millennium, (spin the wheel, pick a country, pick a god), but a series of bright white plutonium flashes encircling the globe like fireworks.

The only thing that will be saved is fish, and anything else living underwater...that is until the underwater ecosystem collapses due to the absence of sunlight, taking them out as well.

Ok, maybe the clams, and lobsters will be saved.

Clams, and lobsters FTW.

:|~

[FreeEnergy]

Strange connection here....while multiple religious groups pressed,paid, even sued to build a church or headquarters in jerusalem (after the jews placed a moratorium on all such -except synagogues) only the mormons got permission to build a temple there....hmmm


This is an incorrect information.

The reason the wall is there because it is boarding....blocking off..whatever the term, a MUSLIM TEMPLE - right on the Temple Mount. Right smack in the middle of the most worshipped by the jew place.

I will drop a link to Jewepedia, that got everything wrong on its page , pretending it is actually a jewish temple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock


Jews come up with everything in the book (including Torah, Kaballah, Bible, Wikipedia and what not) to pretent it was theirs and there were not one, but apparently even two temples, and they want the 3rd.


As far as the OP, quote from wikipedia , again:

The doctrines of the Latter Day Saint movement, commonly referred to as Mormonism, teach that its adherents are either direct descendants of the House of Israel,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Judaism


needs probably a more reliable source here...

[woodman]

Mormons, Jews, Christians, Muslims......You're all a bunch of Boot Lickin' Bitches, trying to suck up to God and curry favor. What a bunch of stupid Motherfuckers.

I don't pretend to know what the fuck God is but all the religious fucks in this world would make any decent being want to just shit his pants in disgust.

Fuck every one of you. You boot lickin' bitches know who you are. Yeah, that's right, fuck you.

Edit: Yeah, I've been into the Belgian ale tonight. I really mean it though.

[joboo]

Mormons, Jews, Christians, Muslims......You're all a bunch of Boot Lickin' Bitches, trying to suck up to God and curry favor. What a bunch of stupid Motherfuckers.

I don't pretend to know what the fuck God is but all the religious fucks in this world would make any decent being want to just shit his pants in disgust.

Fuck every one of you. You boot lickin' bitches know who you are. Yeah, that's right, fuck you.

Edit: Yeah, I've been into the Belgian ale tonight. I really mean it though.

Even worse is when some religions generate thoughts of supremacy even against like colored people.

It's the most extreme form of racism that can possibly exist.

[Santa]

Arizona Dad says,


No matter what Israel or the Jews do in the meantime, we have to be on the side of Israel.

Hell! There it is in a nut shell. No matter what the Jews do... Poison the food supply. Indenture the people. Vaccinate the kids. Genocide the human race. Destroy the world.

Mormons have to be on the side of Izzy. """Sigh"""

[chad]

I'm ArizonaDad, and I'm a Mormon.

I don't think it is fair to state that Mormons love Jews. I haven't read much of the thread, and I won't be checking in to see who flames me, or who asks me silly questions. But please allow me to add some clarity on how many of us Mormons feel about Israel, and the Jews.

We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. But we don't hide behind that. We believe the Bible to mean exactly what it says, and have very few specific instances where a correction needs to be made in translation. The Bible says, in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that Israel will be attacked from the North in the near future by an immense force. Jesus will return in the midst of the attack and miraculously rescue Israel and destroy its attackers.

No matter what Israel or the Jews do in the meantime, we have to be on Jesus's side at that time, and Jesus will be on the side of Israel.

what's the deal with all of the mormons here "not checking in," everything is "silly questions," or any dissent is "flaming them." it's like the whole religion is pussified x 100.

[vacuum]

I'm ArizonaDad, and I'm a Mormon.

I don't think it is fair to state that Mormons love Jews. I haven't read much of the thread, and I won't be checking in to see who flames me, or who asks me silly questions. But please allow me to add some clarity on how many of us Mormons feel about Israel, and the Jews.

We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. But we don't hide behind that. We believe the Bible to mean exactly what it says, and have very few specific instances where a correction needs to be made in translation. The Bible says, in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that Israel will be attacked from the North in the near future by an immense force. Jesus will return in the midst of the attack and miraculously rescue Israel and destroy its attackers.

No matter what Israel or the Jews do in the meantime, we have to be on Jesus's side at that time, and Jesus will be on the side of Israel.

It seems illogical that Jesus would wipe out most of the world to defend Israel, who single-handedly provoked the world by it's criminal actions.


I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38-39&version=NIV

Doesn't make sense. Why would defending criminals show God's greatness? Lets think about this for a minute.

[joboo]

Mormonism is a cult. Can't sum it up any better than that.

Clear as the nose on anyone's face.

[Hypertiger]

"A temple garment (also referred to as garments, or Mormon underwear) is a type of underwear worn by a vast majority of adherents of the Latter Day Saint movement, after they have taken part in the Endowment ceremony. Garments are worn both day and night and are required for any previously endowed adult to enter a temple."

"The original garment had four marks that were snipped into the cloth as part of the original Nauvoo Endowment ceremony. These marks were a reverse-L-shaped symbol on the right breast, a V-shaped symbol on the left breast, and horizontal marks at the navel and over the right knee. These cuts were later replaced by embroidered symbols.

According to Mormon doctrine, the marks in the garments are sacred symbols. One proposed element of the symbolism was a link to the Square and Compasses, the symbols of freemasonry to which Joseph Smith, Jr. had been initiated about seven weeks prior to his introduction of the Endowment ceremony.

Thus, the V-shaped symbol on the left breast was referred to as "The Compasses", while the reverse-L-shaped symbol on the right breast was referred to by early church leaders as "The Square".

http://www.google.ca/search?q=mormon+temple+salt+lake+mason+symbols&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-Address&oe=&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=j21ZUL-aKKz9iQKSlYCQAw&biw=1449&bih=721&sei=yW1ZUJDDLeK7igLr-YBA#um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-Address&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=A25ZUOL5JunuiQKCsYGQBw&ved=0CEUQBSgA&q=mormon+temple+salt+lake+masonic+symbols&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=841870c95279517d&biw=1449&bih=721

weird movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_(Mormonism)

[Hypertiger]

Then there is this from the Masons which is similar to the old Mormon blood oath.

I, George Washington, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, and this Worshipful Lodge, erected to Him, and dedicated to the holy Sts. John, do hereby and hereon (Master presses his gavel on candidate's knuckles) most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will always hail, ever conceal, and never reveal, any of the arts, parts, or points of the hidden mysteries of Ancient Free Masonry, which may have been, or hereafter shall be, at this time, or any future period, communicated to me, as such, to any person or persons whomsoever, except it be to a true and lawful brother Mason, or in a regularly constituted Lodge of Masons; nor unto him or them until, by strict trial, due examination, or lawful information, I shall have found him, or them, as lawfully entitled to the same as I am myself. I furthermore promise and swear that I will not print, paint, stamp, stain, cut, carve, mark, or engrave them, or cause the same to be done, on any thing movable or immovable, capable of receiving the least impression of a word, syllable, letter, or character, whereby the same may become legible or intelligible to any person under the canopy of heaven, and the secrets of Masonry thereby unlawfully obtained through my unworthiness.

Of course it's about recruitment...

On the outside looking in you only see the low level people that didn't rise up in the hierarchy...The innocent meat shields that mask what the higher level illuminated ones are doing.

[PatColo]

Didn't feel like starting a thread on this, though it may deserve one, depending on how big a difference you think whoever's selected as next zio-puppet will make to the future. Apparently mittens' Vietnam draft dodge was feloniously fraudulent, as he masqueraded as a mormon missionary in France. Apparently a papa-romney presidential bid was torpedoed via blackmail by the nixon camp- a threat to expose little mittens' felonious draft dodge.

Mitt: The Strange Case of the Secret “Vietnam Years” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/09/mitt-the-strange-case-of-the-secret-vietnam-years/)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ScreenHunter_749-Oct.-09-10.14-90x65.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/09/mitt-the-strange-case-of-the-secret-vietnam-years/)Mitt Romney: His Draft Evasion Cover-up —– By Gordon Duff —- During the brutal Vietnam War, some men dodged the draft, sought deferments, faked illnesses, were placed in National Guard and Reserve units then destined to never be called up. Some opposed the war, some favored war but wanted others to fight for them, those [...]

[osoab]

Didn't feel like starting a thread on this, though it may deserve one, depending on how big a difference you think whoever's selected as next zio-puppet will make to the future. Apparently mittens' Vietnam draft dodge was feloniously fraudulent, as he masqueraded as a mormon missionary in France. Apparently a papa-romney presidential bid was torpedoed via blackmail by the nixon camp- a threat to expose little mittens' felonious draft dodge.

Mitt: The Strange Case of the Secret “Vietnam Years” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/09/mitt-the-strange-case-of-the-secret-vietnam-years/)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ScreenHunter_749-Oct.-09-10.14-90x65.jpg (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/09/mitt-the-strange-case-of-the-secret-vietnam-years/)Mitt Romney: His Draft Evasion Cover-up —– By Gordon Duff —- During the brutal Vietnam War, some men dodged the draft, sought deferments, faked illnesses, were placed in National Guard and Reserve units then destined to never be called up. Some opposed the war, some favored war but wanted others to fight for them, those [...]


PatColo, I have yet to read the article, but why should we put any merit into Gordon Duff's writings? He seems to have gone off the deep end.

[PatColo]

^ I'd say if Duff's a disinfo spook, a possibility I very much allow, then the proper formula is putting out a bunch of true, emotive but undamaging info (IE Romney story, who's next prez is irrelevant & dieboldCo PTB decide anyways, not "voters"), in addition to the poison pills (US/Chinese battling aliens over pacific?! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63717-UFO-War-Chinese-and-US-Navy-off-San-Francisco)). It seems most of this Duff story is verifiable.

Anyways he was on with Rense last night, assume this Romney story is central topic, but I have yet to listen. 42 mins comm-free:

Hour 2 - Gordon Duff (http://www.veteranstoday.com/) - Veterans Today Senior Editor
Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/mbot9j8948/rense.20121009.2of3.mp3)
Download (http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/mbot9j8948/rense.20121009.2of3.mp3)

[PatColo]

Romney's Mormon Church is Masonic Front (http://www.henrymakow.com/romneys-mormon-faith.html)

October 9, 2012
http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/romney666.jpeg(Who does Romney really serve?)


With Romney resurgent in the polls, I re-post this reminder that Obama and Romney represent different wings of a satanic cult, Freemasonry. Mormonism is not a Christian church, but a breakaway faction of Freemasonry.

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/signal666.jpegAccepting a choice between Romney's Mormonism and Obama's Socialism makes Americans hapless dupes, complicit in their own subversion and disinheritance.


by Henry Makow Ph.D.

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/hofman1.jpegIn the July-August (http://revisionistreview.blogspot.ca/2012/08/romneys-masonic-mormonism-lesser-of-two.html)edition (http://revisionistreview.blogspot.ca/2012/08/romneys-masonic-mormonism-lesser-of-two.html) of his Revisionist History newsletter, Michael Hoffman lifts the veil on Mormonism once and for all.

Citing many reference books, he establishes that Mormonism is a break-away faction of Freemasonry which claimed to be "the true Masonry," keeping both ritual and dogma, including the worship of Lucifer.

Far from being persecuted by non-Masons, the founding prophet Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum Smith were lynched by fellow Masons in retaliation for establishing a competing "church" in violation of Masonic oaths never to reveal its secrets on pain of death.

They were assassinated in the Carthage jail in Carthage Ill on June 27, 1844.

"The first five Presidents of the Mormon Church -- Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilfred Woodruff and Lorenzo Snow -- were also made Masons in the Nauvoo (Illinois) while Hyrum (Smith) was the incumbent master of the lodge..." (H. Paul Jeffers, The Freemasons in America, Citadel Press, 2006, pp 87-88)

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/aa-Mitt-Romney-while-at-Bain-Capital1.bmp(left, Romney Bain partner makes Masonic triangle hand sign.)

Mormon temple rituals mirror Freemasonry including worship of Lucifer.

"In the Garden sequence, the patrons listen as Lucifer instructs Adam and Eve that there is no other way to gain the knowledge to become as gods than to disobey the Father and eat the fruit. Mormon theology teachers that Lucifer is the literal son of God and the brother of Jesus...Lucifer instructs Adam and Eve to fashions aprons for themselves like his, out of fig leafs. Lucifer's apron contains the identical Masonic Square and Compass emblems... The Mormon walks out of these rituals bound to darkness by bloody oaths and occult incantations. He is given over to the spirit of self-exaltation, which caused Lucifer himself to be cast out from the presence of God." (The Temple of the God-Makers by J. Edward Decker Jr. Former Mormon)

Michael Hoffman writes: "The apple pie image by which the Mormon hierarchy beguile both their followers and outsiders is a means for keeping conservative orientated people obedient to the conspiracy against them and this nation. Willard Mitt Romney is a pivotal leader of that conspiracy."

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/obuma.jpegHoffman says Romney is the candidate of the occult Mormon "Church of Latter Days Saints." His finance director, Spencer Zwick, is the son of a Mormon head. Hotel magnate "Willard" Marriott after whom Mitt is named, donated $3 million to his campaign. His foreign policy is run by Zionists.

Hoffman says Americans are "leaderless," controlled by occult secret societies. Once Americans have fulfilled their role as Zionist "Golem," they will be discarded in "white trash enclaves of self extinguishing degeneracy, illiteracy and slow suicide."

Hoffman says both Romney and Obama are "enemies of Christian civilization."

Hoffman advises his fellow Americans to boycott the November election:

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/tumblr_m6s17rks6Q1qzutbp.jpg(Michelle makes sign of Baphomet)


"A mass boycott of the Cryptocracy's farcical Presidential election is the strongest message which astute American patriots can send by denying both Obama and Romney a mandate and legitimacy....God is not mocked! He does not support evil, whether lesser or any other type."

Hoffman, the author of Judaism's Strange Gods (http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.ca/2010/03/michael-hoffmans-online-revisionist.html), is the boldest and smartest critic of Zionist Occupational Government writing today.

--

Related: Obama's Masonic Ring & Handshake (http://www.henrymakow.com/obama_a_president_for_freemaso.html)


The Mormon Conspiracy (http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/19242730-the-mormon-conspiracy)


Romney says Boy Scouts Should Admit Homosexuals (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/romney-the-boy-scouts-should-admit-homosexuals)

Mormonism is Luciferian & Masonic (http://www.henrymakow.com/mormonism.html)

1857 Mormon Massacre of Wagon Train (http://www.henrymakow.com/i_was_raised_mormon_and.html)

Mormons Disguised as Indians Attacked Wagon Trains (http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_mountainmeadosmassacre.html)

(Hoffman says their livestock and gold were motive for massacre.)

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First Comment from Tony Blizzard:

There is more to Mormonism that is not being mentioned. I was enticed into becoming one for a short time. When I quickly realized I was pulled into a scam, I quit. I think it was about a year later, a brother of Cleon Skousen (FBI agent and writer of several anticommunist books) which brother (don't remember his first name - Mark?) was a big wheel in the San Bernardino, CA, "stake" to which I had been assigned, came to my house and arrogantly tried to treat me as a possession of his masonic stake.

During the very antagonistic two or more hour long conversation it came out that the Mormons - at least those at the top - believed that at the end of the present era of the world they would rule the world directly under the Jews (Talmudists).

In other words they would be the Talmudic Jews' Myrmidons. Fact is that Skousen's last words to me before he went away grumbling were: "Then you would rather be excommunicated than admit that the Jews are God's chosen people."

I didn't know it at the time but that statement rings both masonic and "Christian Zionist." Interesting that it was also the final reason for officially "excommunicating" me from the cult.

Second Comment from Katie:

This explains the Masonic symbology at the Mormon Temple:


http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-temple-square-utah/


VERY DISTURBING!


Also the LDS secret wedding Temple ceremony is very much like the ritual of the initiate from the film "From Hell." In the film, he promises to disembowel himself and slit his throat before he ever utters the secrets of the lodge. These are some of the LDS temple wedding vows. ( Just change the word lodge to the word temple.)



http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/bundy.jpegThird Comment by Dan:


The charismatic and charming Ted Bundy converted to Mormonism in 1974 while a University of Utah Law School student living in Salt Lake City. He had already murdered at least nine young women in Oregon and Washington State. While friends described him as devoutly carrying his book of Mormon at all times, he killed at least five more girls in Utah during 1975.

Ted Bundy was also an active Republican volunteer for the Seattle office of Nelson Rockefeller's 1968 Presidential campaign. Bundy was still at Republican Party expense as late as 1974. He made several trips to Aspen which were never explained.

Bundy kidnapped dozens of girls in several states with impunity for years until a rural traffic cop pulled him over for speeding in 1974 and discovered his murder gear. He seems to have been protected by Salt Lake City detectives. Despite a growing list of murders in which he was suspect judges stalled and on a number of occasions he 'escaped' police custody - in Utah and Colorado. It wasn't till he disobeyed his laywers advice not to hide in Florida because they had the death penalty. He went straight to Florida and engaged in a full blown killing spree in a sorority house at Florida State in 1978.


The official mainstream story is that Bundy was a criminal genius who managed to elude capture for at least six years, and probably more. The story and evidence ran much deeper than what was in the press. Still, during the 1980's media wasn't completely controlled, and local newspapers released bits of information that have been swept under the rug ever since. In the Spokane Daily Chronicle - Feb 3, 1976, there was an Associated Press article "POLICE FILE HINTS AT THE OCCULT". The article said a Seattle occult crimes division folder called "File 1004" connected "A Satanic cannibal murder in Montana" to "the disappearance of Northwest women in Oregon and Washington". File 1004 contained reports from several 'tipsters; about a man named Ted who held cult meetings, talked about the occult and Devil worship, and set up strange shrines in the forest". One witness said Ted was a "Jesus freak". The mix of devout Mormonism and secret life of Satanic acts, the name Ted, and the fact that the disappeared women referred to by the Spokane Daily Chronicle later turned out to be some of Bundy's victims. "File 1004" has long since vanished.

reader comments @ http://www.henrymakow.com/romneys-mormon-faith.html

[messianicdruid]

The names have been changed to protect the guilty:

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/who-is-a-jew/chapter-1-the-two-fig-trees-of-judah/

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/who-is-an-israelite/chapter-1-how-jacob-became-an-israelite/