OMG! Check out the arsenal this homeless guy was busted with!!!

[midnight rambler]

HOLY SHIT!!! /sarc

http://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/homeless_guns_080112.jpg

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/08/01/homeless-man-found-with-weapons-cache-list-of-names-in-sf-golden-gate-park/

[midnight rambler]

It appears that the vast majority of the "5,800 rounds of ammo" was mostly .22LR, and somehow they've also charged him with possession of a 'short barreled rifle' - which is hard to make the connection on since the .22 rifle in the photo appears not to have been shortened.

[slowbell]

Here's a quote from the article.

“Obviously any firepower we can get off the street, we’d rather have sooner or later, but we do have protocols in place and I think the officers did a good job at the time in evaluating the person in crisis and the approach they took,”

Sounds like BS to me, and the 'obviously any firepower' comment shows their true intent. These idiots just wanted a bust, any bust, that was no arsenal of guns. Those guns, do not show any intent. This seems like a man was thrown under the bus, so to speak, and his property taken. In fact, we should do a roll count, perhaps a GSUS member is now missing. Midnight rambler, you still here?

[Gaillo]

What a bunch of asshats! They removed the scope and set it next to the rifles, put a pocket knife, rifle sheath, and empty knife boxes next to all the stuff... just to make it look like there's MORE to the "arsenal" than there really is.
Fraudulent sensationalist fucktards.

[midnight rambler]

we should do a troll count, perhaps

Ok smart ass, what kind of pistol is that on the left?

[slowbell]

What a bunch of asshats! They removed the scope and set it next to the rifles, put a pocket knife, rifle sheath, and empty knife boxes next to all the stuff... just to make it look like there's MORE to the "arsenal" than there really is.
Fraudulent sensationalist fucktards.

That's about it. It's really not an "arsenal" it's actually the bare minimum every American should really have. Also, where is the alleged 5000 rounds of ammo in the pic? conveniently left out?

This whole story is such bullshit.

[midnight rambler]

The 'huge stack of (mostly .22LR) ammo' can be seen in the video. Perhaps a few dozen shotgun rounds (no more than 100 total by my estimate) and perhaps a couple of boxes of ammo for the semi-auto pistol which slowbell has no earthly idea what it is.

Gotta remember, this guy didn't even bother to cut off the shotgun barrel, yet they're claiming his .22 rifle is a SBR?? It's a whole lot easier to hacksaw off a shotgun barrel than it is to cut off a .22 rifle barrel (and I still don't think it's less than 16").

[chad]

Extreme ops!

[slowbell]

Ok smart ass, what kind of pistol is that on the left?

Thanks for checking in....glad you are OK.

It is a very scary pistol, held by I'm sure a very scary man. ;D

[Gaillo]

Thanks for checking in....glad you are OK.

It is a very scary pistol, held by I'm sure a very scary man. ;D

The only ACCEPTABLE answer is that it's a "automatic sawed-off high capacity assault Glock with a flash hider and illegal baby killing grenade launcher attachment". Didn't they teach you ANYTHING in cop school? ??? ;D

[chad]

hispano argentino fabricade automoviles dgfm/fmap?

[midnight rambler]

It is a very scary pistol, held by I'm sure a very scary man.

It's a Tokarev, in 7.62x25, a poor man's semi-auto pistol. What's so scary to cops about the 7.62x25 is that it will defeat soft body armor. You should have known that.

[chad]

hmm, i did not know that. need to buy one now.

[slowbell]

It's a Tokarev, in 7.62x25, a poor man's semi-auto pistol. What's so scary to cops about the 7.62x25 is that it will defeat soft body armor. You should have known that.

That will not defeat soft body armor. The vest I wore would stop a 44 mag. Also, you should lighten up a bit. :) Not that cops don't get scared...but, they are trained to handle it and react, are you trained that way? The biggest peacock is often just putting up an act.

[midnight rambler]

Will stop a .44 mag? Perhaps, but not a 7.62x25 nor the FN 5.7. Small diameter, high velocity gets the job done.

From another forum:


Several years ago I used a CZ52 to shoot holes in body armor to the amazement of several firearms instructors. It's always struck me how many supposedly knowledgable people have no idea what the 7.62x25 is.

You don't know what you don't know.

ETA -


What's so scary to cops who are not totally clueless about the 7.62x25 is that it will defeat soft body armor.

[slowbell]

Will stop a .44 mag? Perhaps, but not a 7.62x25 nor the FN 5.7. Small diameter, high velocity gets the job done.

Nope, .44 mag has more velocity than your 7.62x25, and if the vest will laugh at any high velocity .22, you have no argument there with small diameter.

Are you thinking of the first soft body armor ever made? There are different ratings, btw.

[midnight rambler]

You have just established you don't know diddley-squat about guns, ammo, and ballistics. Typical LEO mentality, thinking that your (very limited) experience in 'law enforcement' makes you some sort of expert. When I did ride-alongs from the early '80s to the early '90s I observed no shortage of this very same sophomoric mentality.

The FN 5.7 (fired from the Five seveN pistol) indisputably WILL penetrate soft body armor to the degree that some of the FN 5.7 ammo has been prohibited for sales to us lowly 'civilians'.

[palani]

The FDA should be outraged that these medical devices are in the hands of a homeless individual


A medical device is:

"an instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:

.
.
.
intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals, and which does not achieve any of it's primary intended purposes through chemical action within or on the body of man or other animals and which is not dependent upon being metabolized for the achievement of any of its primary intended purposes."

http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/deviceregulationandguidance/overview/classifyyourdevice/ucm051512.htm

[iOWNme]

Can someone show me the law on 'Arsenals'.......LOL

[midnight rambler]

Can someone show me the law on 'Arsenals'.......LOL

No such law, only policy, and that policy is that if you have more guns and ammo than you can carry in one hand, then that's 'an arsenal'.

[iOWNme]

No such law, only policy, and that policy is that if you have more guns and ammo than you can carry in one hand, then that's 'an arsenal'.

Are you serious? Show me the code!

[Buddha]

I will say that this is strange though: "Also in that vehicle was a list of names of political leaders, reportedly including President Barack Obama."

That definitely makes it BS. They just saw is guy living in his car and said to themselves "We are taking this guy in". Searched the car, found the guns.

Obviously any firepower we can get off the street, we’d rather have sooner or later, but we do have protocols in place and I think the officers did a good job at the time in evaluating the person in crisis and the approach they took,
Boom guys now in jail for having a list of political figures which was written by officer bill at the station house and a "huge cache" of weapons including a sawed-off weapon, just like the fucking Terminator had. Instead of just what I would say is a pretty well rounded stock.

[sirgonzo420]

oh my god... why would anybody need sooooooo many guns?

[joboo]

7.62x25

"While steel-core ammunition in 7.62×25 is available internationally, in the United States the importation of 7.62×25 cartridges loaded with copper-coated steel bullets is illegal; federal law defines these as armor-piercing pistol ammunition."

"can easily defeat lighter ballistic vests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet-proof_vest) (class I, IIA and II) as well as some kevlar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar) helmets, such as the American PASGT


PASGT

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops#Helmet)ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops#Helmet

The shell is made from 19 layers of Kevlar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar), a ballistic aramid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramid) fabric treated with a phenolic resin system and is rated at a Threat Level IIIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest#Performance_standards) as per DARPA, USMC and USA and offers protection against shrapnel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrapnel_shell) and ballistic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile) threats."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Operation_Bayonet_Lightning_%281%29.jpg/220px-Operation_Bayonet_Lightning_%281%29.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operation_Bayonet_Lightning_%281%29.jpg)
"In December 2003, United States Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army)
soldiers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/173rd_Airborne_Brigade),
4th Infantry Division (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Infantry_Division_%28United_States%29), wear their PASGT
helmets as they pull security on the
streets of Al Hawijah, Iraq"

[Blink]

That will not defeat soft body armor. The vest I wore would stop a 44 mag. Also, you should lighten up a bit. :) Not that cops don't get scared...but, they are trained to handle it and react, are you trained that way? The biggest peacock is often just putting up an act.

Do they train like this?..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHibGwuLtSg

[Heimdhal]

Sorry Slowbell, you're flat out wrong in your thinking here. The 7.62x25 CAN and WILL readily penetrate soft body armor, just like those worn by cops. This is readily known in the surplus crowd.

Heres it tearing through kevlar (just one of MANY examples)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNEi7NrAtqo

Heres it tearing through a kevlar military helmet:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29_3.htm

It doesnt matter that a vest is rated at stopping a .44 mag. A .44 mag does NOT have the same characteristics as the x25. Just like it does not have the same as a 9mm.

THere is a whole lesson in physics as to why this differences is, but hte short of it is that it has more to do with the cross-sectional desnsity/mass vs its contact surface area (the point) and the speed at which it operates, which IS higher than a .44 mag. Its also why knives will go through kevlar (and sewing needles).

ANd believe me, theres no shortages of Tok's in Cali. The 7.62x25 will, however, NOT penetrate the ceramic plates that are used to stop rifle rounds.

I think an "im sorry" to Rambler might be in order. ;)

[Twisted Titan]

If this is what they are calling a arsenal nowadays we are all truly effed

[Heimdhal]

If this is what they are calling a arsenal nowadays we are all truly effed



I dunno man, I wish I had that many guns. Not sure why anyone needs 5,000 rounds though, even of .22 I mean, I've got like a half a box of 50 left and Im pretty sure thats like a lifetime supply.............



















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[midnight rambler]

Are you serious? Show me the code!

It's *corporate* policy, and the corporation doesn't have to show you jackshit - all that's necessary is that you are advised that "it's the policy of this corporation that 'thus and such'." That's all you need to know (according to the corporation).

As an example, feebay now requires that in order to sell anything on feebay you must have a debit or credit card on file with them (for their 'Buyer Protection Plan'). And of course in order to have a credit or debit card one must submit a Socialist inSecurity # or else one simply does not get the plastic money. When one queries a feebay agent about this, all one gets to hear is "that's our policy." And that's ALL you need/get to know.

[slowbell]

Heimdhal, even the post above stated the 7.62x25 is rated at a level IIIa vest. This is the vest I wore, and still own. It is soft body armor.

[freespirit]

Where any of the weapons stolen or otherwise illegal?
Lol

[sirgonzo420]

Where any of the weapons stolen or otherwise illegal?
Lol

Why ya askin'? So you can buy one and bury it?

;D

[iOWNme]

It's *corporate* policy, and the corporation doesn't have to show you jackshit - all that's necessary is that you are advised that "it's the policy of this corporation that 'thus and such'." That's all you need to know (according to the corporation).

As an example, feebay now requires that in order to sell anything on feebay you must have a debit or credit card on file with them (for their 'Buyer Protection Plan'). And of course in order to have a credit or debit card one must submit a Socialist inSecurity # or else one simply does not get the plastic money. When one queries a feebay agent about this, all one gets to hear is "that's our policy." And that's ALL you need/get to know.

So there is no statute that defines 'arsenals', just as i suspected. I realize this little fact nugget wont stop Jack Booted Thug GOONS from acting under the Color of Law.

BTW, i LOVE my Tokarev!

[JohnQPublic]

The issue is not the guns. It is the homeless thing. Unborn babies and homeless are not recognized as having rights, apparently.

[JDRock]

Thats one homeless man that a group of thugs will never prey on.

[mick silver]

what facking arsenal ?

[freespirit]

Thats one homeless man that a group of thugs will never prey on.

...looks to me like a particular "group of thugs" has already preyed upon this homeless man...