For Those Who Would Like To Make Their Own Passport

[palani]

here is a model

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cxswub.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

That should work out just fine.

[palani]

That should work out just fine.

It did THEN. Did anything change?

[Glass]

It did THEN. Did anything change?

No, nothing has changed. They still do this today.

There is a message of similar sorts in the front of the Australian passport. Thats the important part of the Passport. All the other stuff is fluff. It's there for administrative purposes not legal purposes. I'll see if I can scan in that page and post it a bit later on today,

[Horn]

You gotta get horse, on a ferry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0XcH6d-1Ms

[Uncle Salty]

It did THEN. Did anything change?

Airplanes, TSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, and electricity. Other than that?

[Skirnir_]

I see Paloony's dearth of pragmatism has not improved.

[LuckyStrike]

It did THEN. Did anything change?

Is this a serious question?

[Glass]

ok so here is a scan of an Australian passport front page. As I mentioned it contains basically the same sort of text as palani's example.

For the people who are too literal to detect their questions are being answered with questions.........

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/glassgold/passport_preamble.jpg

The text says:


The Governor - General of the Commonwealth of Australia being the representative in Australia of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, requests all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer, an Australian Citizen, to pass freely without let or hinderance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may stand in need.


See the thing is, nothing has changed. We are still using the same principles and behaviours today as were used centuries ago. Perhaps the language is more "modern" which I would equate with vague. Other than that not much is different.

[palani]

Airplanes, TSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, and electricity. Other than that?
Relations between men stay the same. Wars are to be declared and passports are intended for crossing enemy lines. Where do you see any wars or enemy lines?

[palani]

I see Paloony's dearth of pragmatism has not improved.

What need you of a jail when you can construct your own jail cell?

[palani]

Is this a serious question?

Out of the mouths of two or more witnesses are facts determined. Facts require giving evidence and what you admit to is going to be used against you for the most part (facts are evil deeds by the etymology of the word). You would prefer carrying evidence from a superior begging others to not harm you? Aren't you capable of speaking for yourself?

[madfranks]

Per the OP, that old passport had a privy seal on it. Unfortunately, my privy seal seems to be missing at the moment so I don't think my passport would be recognized.

[palani]

Per the OP, that old passport had a privy seal on it. Unfortunately, my privy seal seems to be missing at the moment so I don't think my passport would be recognized.

I frequently use a right thumbprint as a seal with a red ink pad. Do you still have thumbs? If not, a big toe will work in a pinch.

[mick silver]

i see the person that try this being water boarded

[palani]

i see the person that try this being water boarded

A person is a word, an action or representation. Physically impossible to waterboard any of these.

[mick silver]

give it a try . let us all know if they waterboard you . the laws are not for the people anymore

[palani]

give it a try . let us all know if they waterboard you . the laws are not for the people anymore

I haven't had a passport in many years, other than one I made myself.

[madfranks]

I haven't had a passport in many years, other than one I made myself.

Have you used it successfully such that TPTB allow you to travel to "other places adjacent"? I mean, have you used it successfully to get through customs from any government in power today?

[palani]

Have you used it successfully such that TPTB allow you to travel to "other places adjacent"? I mean, have you used it successfully to get through customs from any government in power today?

Does the U.S. count? If so then yes I have used it to travel internationally.

At the Matamoros crossing I got to talk a few minutes each time to border crossing guards on the U.S. side. One seemed to think I needed more official documents as "I am guarding an international border". I told him I had crossed six international borders to get to that point [Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Mexico].

[madfranks]

Does the U.S. count? If so then yes I have used it to travel internationally.

At the Matamoros crossing I got to talk a few minutes each time to border crossing guards on the U.S. side. One seemed to think I needed more official documents as "I am guarding an international border". I told him I had crossed six international borders to get to that point [Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Mexico].

Really? I'm impressed.

[madfranks]

For the record I too have visited Mexico and I don't have a passport of any kind.

[sirgonzo420]

For the record I too have visited Mexico and I don't have a passport of any kind.

Me too and me neither, but this was years ago.

I've also been to several Caribbean countries and never needed a passport, but now I think it would be quite a bit more of a hassle.

[palani]

Really? I'm impressed.

The U.S. is the tough nut rather than Mexico (good policy is not to stay long or get into trouble there).

[palani]

I've also been to several Caribbean countries and never needed a passport, but now I think it would be quite a bit more of a hassle.

During a trip to Europe years ago (with a passport) there was a Portsmouth to Calais crossing and the French did not even bother to check (or stamp) passports. Same is true with a later trip from Zurich to south Germany.

[madfranks]

Me too and me neither, but this was years ago.

I've also been to several Caribbean countries and never needed a passport, but now I think it would be quite a bit more of a hassle.

My trip was in 2004. I'm pretty sure a passport was required but somehow it was never asked of me.

[palani]

My trip was in 2004. I'm pretty sure a passport was required but somehow it was never asked of me.

I lived in the Caribbean for two years and had nothing more official than a Puerto Rico drivers license, trips included St Marten, St Barts, Martinique, BVI, U.S. VIs.

U.S. citizens are required to carry passports. I would not dispute this issue but then I am not one of these.

I carry a challenge coin. Does that count?

[madfranks]

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I carry a challenge coin. Does that count?[/QUOTE]

A challenge coin issued by who?

[palani]

A challenge coin issued by who?

I am the only authority that I know. Coppicemen and military like the challenge coins. They know what they are for and recognize them. This one I designed myself, on one side it has Art III of the Louisiana Purchase treaty in French and on the other side the same article in English.

[Uncle Salty]

Relations between men stay the same. Wars are to be declared and passports are intended for crossing enemy lines. Where do you see any wars or enemy lines?

Well, there's the war on drugs. The war on poverty.

Now, I admit, I totally dig your position. But, when someone can use this type of passport for travel to Europe, then cool.

But the TSA and Homeland Security probably require government issued passports. Just my guess.

[palani]

Wars are declared on NATIONS and not CONCEPTS.


the TSA and Homeland Security probably require government issued passports. Just my guess.


They do. And if you are a U.S. citizen I believe you should obey ALL laws. None of this civil disobedience bull. You either go along with the will of the majority or .... no, there is no choice. You go along with the will of the majority ... period.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I know you are a dutiful Sovereign, Palani, and I would presume that the request for safe passage on your passport is signed by none other than yourself.

As we become progressively more Sovietized, we will all need 'internal passports' to leave our homes. They will convert the right to travel into a government issued privilege. Maybe that's what a driver's license is.

I have been working for a week or so now on a 'self issued ID card'. I'm doing this because my driver's license expires in 2014, and I do not intend to renew it. All three states in the Pacific Northwest require, and issue only commercial class driver's licenses for commercial use of motor vehicles. I drive a personal conveyance for non-commercial purposes only. So, I don't need a driver's license. Just an ID card, which I can issue to myself. I've given myself a pretty good education in using Gimp and Inkscape in Ubuntu. I'm thinking of applying these skills to creating a first class one-of-a-kind self issued passport. I think it's a great idea, and likely something everybody should have. I have always been averse to asking permission when none is necessary. Since it is all a big show, the best spent effort is in improving your bearing and attitude. If you want to be a sovereign, you have to act like one. Even if you have no subjects other than yourself.

Hatha

[palani]

I know you are a dutiful Sovereign, Palani, and I would presume that the request for safe passage on your passport is signed by none other than yourself.

The term "sovereign" is reserved for the last one standing on a battlefield. My approach is to act as a self-directed individual and let those who would be sovereign fight their own battles.

Making an ID is simple enough.. Be sure to have it notarized so that an apostille can be issued on the notaries signature. In the land known as the United States notaries are abundant. Canada appears only to use legal professionals as notaries and they are known to refuse notarize and they charge significant amounts for their services. In addition, Canada is not part of the 1961 Hague convention so there is not apostille possible.

Just for info. I know you are not in Canada.

[sirgonzo420]

I know you are a dutiful Sovereign, Palani, and I would presume that the request for safe passage on your passport is signed by none other than yourself.

As we become progressively more Sovietized, we will all need 'internal passports' to leave our homes. They will convert the right to travel into a government issued privilege. Maybe that's what a driver's license is.

I have been working for a week or so now on a 'self issued ID card'. I'm doing this because my driver's license expires in 2014, and I do not intend to renew it. All three states in the Pacific Northwest require, and issue only commercial class driver's licenses for commercial use of motor vehicles. I drive a personal conveyance for non-commercial purposes only. So, I don't need a driver's license. Just an ID card, which I can issue to myself. I've given myself a pretty good education in using Gimp and Inkscape in Ubuntu. I'm thinking of applying these skills to creating a first class one-of-a-kind self issued passport. I think it's a great idea, and likely something everybody should have. I have always been averse to asking permission when none is necessary. Since it is all a big show, the best spent effort is in improving your bearing and attitude. If you want to be a sovereign, you have to act like one. Even if you have no subjects other than yourself.

Hatha

Have it notarized so you can whip it out when someone asks for "government-issued ID".

A notary is a government agent of a sort.

Besides, there may be additional benefit to having your signature witnessed on the document (by a notary).


EDIT: I see that palani has beaten me to the punch. Oh well. It is his thread after all. :)

[Glass]

Canada is not part of the 1961 Hague convention so there is not apostille possible.

Just for info. I know you are not in Canada.

I was wondering what it is about the 1961 Hague convention that removes the apostille capability from Notaries Public? I am pretty sure Australian notaries has apostille capability but as to everything else you described about Canada, applies down under as well.

They don't like doing freeman stuff, charge an extortionate fee and will try and sabotage your process into the bargain. Once you know the tricks you can work around it a bit to ensure your process is valid.

[palani]

I was wondering what it is about the 1961 Hague convention that removes the apostille capability from Notaries Public? I am pretty sure Australian notaries has apostille capability but as to everything else you described about Canada, applies down under as well.
I got into this a few days ago. I had my travel documents apostilled years back for both Mexico and Canada but then just recently found out Canada is not part of the Hague convention. I asked the sec of state about it and the response I got was "they are part of the UK aren't they ... and the UK accepts (and generates) apostilles."

It makes me think that there are several planes working in the UK as there are in the US as well. If you want your documents to be valid in the UK plane you comply with the convention and apostille them. If you want your docs to be valid in the separate country of Canada they must be legalized (signatures attested to). Australia must have signed on to the Hague convention on its own.