The Ron Paul and Republican Delegates War Drums Club

[JohnQPublic]

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The Republican convention (http://www.gopconvention2012.com/) is coming fast. Ron Paul has taken a very low profile. Maybe has given up. Maybe he is just laying low until the convention. In either case, but especially the initial case, the delegates need to know that they have the power to choose whom they want. This includes Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, etc. delegates.

In honor of Gaillo's sweat lodge experience, we should start beating the war drums for the Republican delegates. Not necassarily loudly, but continuously. Hopefully as visitors come to this site, they will see it, and the idea will spread, and join us. Given the time scale of the collapse, this may be our last chance to try and solve the problem through normal channels.

This thread opens the official The Ron Paul and Republican Delegates War Drums Club. Feel free to add your thoughts.

[chad]

ron paul has conceded. he and rand are now playing along so that rand has a "future." feel free to start saving all of your "liberty" donations for rand paul in 2016!

[iOWNme]

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In honor of Gaillo's sweat lodge experience, we should start beating the war drums for the Republican delegates. Not necassarily loudly, but continuously. Hopefully as visitors come to this site, they will see it, and the idea will spread, and join us. Given the time scale of the collapse, this may be our last chance to try and solve the problem through normal channels.

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. Peple who think RP can save us are living in denial.

These criminals poison our food and water, they send swarms of Agents to eat out our substance, they tax-regulate-license and control every facet of your life, They degenerate our childrens minds and values and they bomb innocent civilians all over the world in our name.

Do you honestly think these criminals are going to go way willingly?

In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

[Cebu_4_2]

Go RP! Ross Perot 2012!

[Libertytree]

I don't think for a second that RP can "save" us but I do think he and the folks in the liberty movement can throw a huge roadblock in their way.

As of right now there is a lawsuit in fed court against the RNC that is likely to cause quite a stir, other factions are coming on board multiplying its consequences. The judge has been very favorable to us so far and we're all waiting for the final decision.

[JohnQPublic]

I don't think for a second that RP can "save" us but I do think he and the folks in the liberty movement can throw a huge roadblock in their way.

As of right now there is a lawsuit in fed court against the RNC that is likely to cause quite a stir, other factions are coming on board multiplying its consequences. The judge has been very favorable to us so far and we're all waiting for the final decision.

I hope the decision comes in time. Of course the safest strategy for the judge would be to stall it until after the convention, then rule in Ron Paul's favor!

Any update news out there? I have not seen anything, nor were there any updates on the lawyers' website last time I checked.

[JohnQPublic]

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. Peple who think RP can save us are living in denial.

These criminals poison our food and water, they send swarms of Agents to eat out our substance, they tax-regulate-license and control every facet of your life, They degenerate our childrens minds and values and they bomb innocent civilians all over the world in our name.

Do you honestly think these criminals are going to go way willingly?

In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

At this point I do not care, nor do I expect anything. On the other hand, I want the delegates to raise as much hell as they can at that convention. If they can nominate Ron Paul, great. If not give it everything they got trying. I don't want to here about the "future" of the liberty movement, because I will never support Rand.

[Libertytree]

I hope the decision comes in time. Of course the safest strategy for the judge would be to stall it until after the convention, then rule in Ron Paul's favor!

Any update news out there? I have not seen anything, nor were there any updates on the lawyers' website last time I checked.

The judge has really bent over backwards in helping the LFRP, the suit has been milked down to the essence of the Fair Voting Act, which is a Fed issue because public tax dollars pay for the D and R conventions, which is also intra-state.

The RNC in open court admitted that they can/will change the rules whenever it suits them, it pissed the judge off! Apparently the judge is hard core, ex-marine and constitutionally inclined. It seems, so far, that ALL delegates are free to vote their conscious or abstain, per rule 11. The evangelicals have been watching this closely too and they don't like Rmoney at all and are willing and able to help, so it seems.

I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

[JohnQPublic]

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I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

I was being a little sarcastic, but:

1. The delegates may not act without the judgement;
2. The sarcasm, though potentially true also, is that the judge may be safer if he delays it.

[Cebu_4_2]

The judge has really bent over backwards in helping the LFRP, the suit has been milked down to the essence of the Fair Voting Act, which is a Fed issue because public tax dollars pay for the D and R conventions, which is also intra-state.

The RNC in open court admitted that they can/will change the rules whenever it suits them, it pissed the judge off! Apparently the judge is hard core, ex-marine and constitutionally inclined. It seems, so far, that ALL delegates are free to vote their conscious or abstain, per rule 11. The evangelicals have been watching this closely too and they don't like Rmoney at all and are willing and able to help, so it seems.

I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

LT man, thanks for the update, I just don't have enough time in a day to do anything so this really helps my mind.

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4DIKPJ9W-E&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Just saying........

[JohnQPublic]

The Ron Paul Grassroots "Delegate Lawsuit" Tossed, New Version Filed (http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/10/the-ron-paul-grassroots-delegate-lawsuit)


The lawsuit filed by a Ron Paul grassroots activist lawyer charging the Republican National Committee (RNC) with various shenanigans against Ron Paul delegates and calling for the RNC to admit that no delegate is bound to vote for Romney was dismissed by U.S. District Judge David Carter this week.


Carter's order to dismiss (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7pGfd5cF6HTd2tvcVR2SDd5TWs/edit)...

...Gilbert is not giving up, and has filed another amended version of his suit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7pGfd5cF6HTczQ3TEZYT25RVkE/edit?pli=1), which attempts to get the court to decide whether the federal Voting Rights Act applies to voting at the RNC in Tampa, which Gilbert is trying to have defined as a "federal election" under that law.

If that is so, and if the Voting Rights Act applies to it, if I understand the complaint correctly, Gilbert is claiming any attempt to bind delegates to vote for Romney should be illegitimate..."

[Libertytree]

The Ron Paul Grassroots "Delegate Lawsuit" Tossed, New Version Filed (http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/10/the-ron-paul-grassroots-delegate-lawsuit)


The lawsuit filed by a Ron Paul grassroots activist lawyer charging the Republican National Committee (RNC) with various shenanigans against Ron Paul delegates and calling for the RNC to admit that no delegate is bound to vote for Romney was dismissed by U.S. District Judge David Carter this week.


Carter's order to dismiss (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7pGfd5cF6HTd2tvcVR2SDd5TWs/edit)...

...Gilbert is not giving up, and has filed another amended version of his suit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7pGfd5cF6HTczQ3TEZYT25RVkE/edit?pli=1), which attempts to get the court to decide whether the federal Voting Rights Act applies to voting at the RNC in Tampa, which Gilbert is trying to have defined as a "federal election" under that law.

If that is so, and if the Voting Rights Act applies to it, if I understand the complaint correctly, Gilbert is claiming any attempt to bind delegates to vote for Romney should be illegitimate..."

It was ruled in 2008 by the RNC that binding was not allowed, period.

The judge told to him to amend and refile, it was NOT thrown out.

[JohnQPublic]

It was ruled in 2008 by the RNC that binding was not allowed, period.

The judge told to him to amend and refile, it was NOT thrown out.

I guess Reason magazine is being unReasonable with their titles. If you read the judges orders, he really pounded the attorney's involved. I hope they get the case filed properly this next go around.

[iOWNme]

I love how some Federal Judge will decide who a man can vote for.

Sovietization is almost complete.

Even if he rules they cannot vote for RP, what do you think would happen if they did vote for RP anyway? I can already see it: 'Man in prison for voting with his conscience'.

[JohnQPublic]

If the judge does not support this case, then it is clear that no one really votes in primaries, and delegates do not vote at the convention. Rather "the party" considers opinions of the popular primary vote (this is already known), and the opinion of the delegates at the convention, but ultimately chooses their own candidate. In reality, this is no surprise. The closest thing we have to a popular vote at the federal level is voting for house and senate members, and even this is controlled by the parties, just not through a primary system.

It is too little too late, but the key would be to gain control over the two main parties.

[Skirnir_]

This whole matter is a tempest in a teapot. (S)elections are just trinkets given to children to keep them occupied; why play into the trap?

[JohnQPublic]

This whole matter is a tempest in a teapot. (S)elections are just trinkets given to children to keep them occupied; why play into the trap?

This is how it has seemed to me for a long time (especially in presidential races). This is how the whole thing was set-up in the constitution. Really only the house was supposed to be direct democracy. The president was to be elected through a complex process, and ultimately citizens worthy of being the final delegates made the final choice. The senate was supposed to be the house of the states.

[mick silver]

If the judge does not support this case, then it is clear that no one really votes in primaries, and delegates do not vote at the convention. Rather "the party" considers opinions of the popular primary vote (this is already known), and the opinion of the delegates at the convention, but ultimately chooses their own candidate. In reality, this is no surprise. The closest thing we have to a popular vote at the federal level is voting for house and senate members, and even this is controlled by the parties, just not through a primary system.

It is too little too late, but the key would be to gain control over the two main parties. i hope this is not the case mark .

[JohnQPublic]

I think people who know politics have always said that the parties control this country. The question is who controls the parties?

[Bigjon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxaBqnRosdo&feature=player_embedded

Lead Attorney for the National Delegates Case, Richard Gilbert addresses Mitt Romney’s criminal acts including his taking of money from foreign Israel contributors illegally, and his support of internment camp policies. Mr. Gilbert warns Romney of his election fraud crimes and that he should be ready to be arrested when he shows up in Tampa or harms a Ron Paul delegate at the national “organized crime convention.” Watch video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxaBqnRosdo&feature=player_embedded

http://electionfraudremedy.com/

[Nitz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxaBqnRosdo&feature=player_embedded

Lead Attorney for the National Delegates Case, Richard Gilbert addresses Mitt Romney’s criminal acts including his taking of money from foreign Israel contributors illegally, and his support of internment camp policies. Mr. Gilbert warns Romney of his election fraud crimes and that he should be ready to be arrested when he shows up in Tampa or harms a Ron Paul delegate at the national “organized crime convention.” Watch video below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxaBqnRosdo&feature=player_embedded

http://electionfraudremedy.com/

sorry, cant take this jag serious with hair like that

[Bigjon]

sorry, cant take this jag serious with hair like that


Spoken like a true blue Romney man.

It's the hair that does it for some.

[vacuum]

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. Peple who think RP can save us are living in denial.

These criminals poison our food and water, they send swarms of Agents to eat out our substance, they tax-regulate-license and control every facet of your life, They degenerate our childrens minds and values and they bomb innocent civilians all over the world in our name.

Do you honestly think these criminals are going to go way willingly?

In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

Looking back on history, we see violence going all the way back. People are ruled, then then rise up against the ruler or they invade or defend their nation. It seems to me that even though there is a temporary boost to freedom through such uprisings, in the long term, it doesn't change anything. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today because there have been so many wars for freedom and religion previously, surely things would have been fixed by now?

And think about who does all the dieing during these uprisings. It's always a bunch of peasants killing a bunch of other peasants.

I think things are intentionally engineered to get us to kill each other and destroy ourselves as much as possible. It starts with polarization into two sides, then a provocation to get them to fight each other.

We have to figure out a way to break the pattern that's been occurring for thousands of years.

[vacuum]

hm, weird thread warp

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edit: oh, it's because the threads were merged while I was typing....lol

[Cebu_4_2]

Looking back on history, we see violence going all the way back. People are ruled, then then rise up against the ruler or they invade or defend their nation. It seems to me that even though there is a temporary boost to freedom through such uprisings, in the long term, it doesn't change anything. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today because there have been so many wars for freedom and religion previously, surely things would have been fixed by now?

And think about who does all the dieing during these uprisings. It's always a bunch of peasants killing a bunch of other peasants.

I think things are intentionally engineered to get us to kill each other and destroy ourselves as much as possible. It starts with polarization into two sides, then a provocation to get them to fight each other.

We have to figure out a way to break the pattern that's been occurring for thousands of years.

WoW Intelligence.. rare but here none the less. I Almost feel pride in your word choice of answer.

[JohnQPublic]

hm, weird thread warp

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

[Ares]

Why the GOP Is Scared of Ron Paul and 4 Reasons He Might Still Get the 2012 Republican Nomination

Wait, isn't Dr. Ron Paul out of the presidential race? Isn't it all tied up nicely in a bow with the Romney/Ryan ticket?

No.

Why would the GOP be scared of Ron Paul but end up nominating him?

I'll explain.

Romney and the GOP have demonstrated both poor judgment and poor sportsmanship that might cost them by damaging Romney's electability among the Ron Paul supporters thus leading to a splitting of votes, which in turn, could cost the GOP the entire election.

Dr. Ron Paul is still in the race for president and is a strong contender for the 2012 GOP nomination.

To be on the GOP ballot Aug. 27, 2012 in Tampa and get a 15-minute speaking slot, a candidate must have won the plurality (majority) of delegates in at least 5 states.

Well, Ron Paul did win the plurality of delegates in 5 states, enough to be eligible for the nomination and a 15-minute speaking slot at the GOP convention. The states he won are Louisiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Maine and Nevada. Then Ron Paul went on to win the plurality in Massachusetts, Romney's home state and half the delegates in Oregon. Dr. Ron Paul also has around 500 delegates who support him. The exact number of delegates that Romney and Paul have is still a mystery but should be clarified at the convention.

So... Ron Paul won his 5-plus states, he's on the ballot and writing his speech, right? Not exactly.

What happened next is what may cost the Republicans and Romney the entire election. Instead of accepting that Ron Paul, the GOP underdog, had won enough delegates in enough states to be allowed his rightful place on the ballot and his 15-minute speaking slot, the GOP and Romney's people decided to try and take these legitimate wins away from Ron Paul and his supporters. Ron Paul supporters fought hard, played fair and won. Romney supporters didn't play fair and still lost those 5-plus states. These Ron Paul pluralities were won in spite of shenanigans and tricks tried by Romney supporters and the GOP to prevent or undermine Ron Paul wins. The Ron Paul supporters were well prepared and won the needed amount of states anyway.

So, how did Romney and his supporters handle their losses of five measly states to Ron Paul? Honorably? Graciously? With dignity? Maturely?

No. Quite the opposite.

Romney's people ran to Big Daddy GOP to rescue them from their defeats by trying to disqualify the valid Ron Paul delegates and to take away Ron Paul's right to speak and be on the ballot by reducing his states won to fewer than the five needed.

So far, Romney and the GOP have contested the Ron Paul wins in Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts and Oregon. They threw out the Massachusetts Ron Paul delegates after the GOP tried to force the delegates to sign a long legal document that required them to vote for Romney. This was not something that had ever been done before. The GOP allowed Romney, big lawyers and big bullying to invalidate Ron Paul's solid win in Massachusetts.

As in the other states, the Ron Paul delegates in Maine played by the rules and won. Even Governor LePage of Maine, a Republican, is appalled with GOP efforts to throw out the duly-elected Ron Paul delegates.

The entire plot to reduce Ron Paul wins to under five states to take his name off the ballot and take away his 15-minute speaking slot is well under way. If Romney/Ryan are so great, why can't they handle a little competition without whining and crying like sore losers?

Are they afraid of losing the 2012 nomination to Ron Paul if he speaks and is on the ballot?

Why not play fair and let the best man win?

Who cheats? The lazy, bratty, insecure and less-qualified people who can't win honestly and fairly. Is that really presidential material?

I wonder if Romney and the GOP are worried that if Ron Paul speaks and gets the nomination, that Ron Paul will fire all of them. Is the GOP that terrified of change, even if it is for the betterment of the country?

Here is why I think that Ron Paul might still walk away with the nomination.

4. Lots of regular "little people", like me, want Ron Paul to be the 2012 GOP presidential candidate. We, the little people, do not like being trod upon and when we join together, we are stronger than big money. Remember, "We the People"? Ron Paul's donors are regular working people, not banks, and military men and women.

3. Ron Paul is the David to Romney's Goliath Machine but the spirit, character and faith of we "little people" count more in America than just money. Romney has raised $152 million to Paul's $39 million. Ron Paul has more passionate support from his supporters due to Ron Paul's character and dedication to serving America and Americans based on our founding principles embodied in our Constitution. Money, media manipulation and bullying can't buy this type of support. But, Romney and his lawyers couldn't let Ron Paul keep 5-plus wins?

2. Ron Paul wants to serve his country, and has served in the military, and would end the wars. Ron Paul's supporters and Americans want someone they can trust and believe in. Dr. Paul is that man.

1. Mitt Romney is much less qualified to be president than Ron Paul, who understands the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Watch this link where Romney is asked a basic Constitutional question and replies, "I'll have to ask my lawyers". Ron Paul tells Mitt Romney, "Read the Constitution." Ron Paul is the only Republican Presidential candidate who is qualified, experienced and credible.

We, little people, similar to Ron Paul and his supporters, work hard, play fair and expect the same from others.

If Romney and his supporters had been gracious losers about Ron Paul's 5-plus state wins and Ron Paul's 15-minute speech, Romney had a chance to garner both the GOP 2012 nomination plus the support and votes of Ron Paul and his supporters. (I say "a chance" because many Ron Paul supporters do not see Romney as a fiscal conservative.)

Not anymore. It is hard to vote for someone who has acted so dishonorably, even for the sake of party loyalty.

The misguided Machiavellian advice Romney got and took to "win at all costs," may cost him dearly in November due to the bad will generated with Ron Paul supporters. Too many people have lost too much respect for Romney to vote for him. To the contrary, even though Ron Paul's campaign was repeatedly slighted and undermined by Romney and his supporters, Ron Paul stayed gracious and denounced mistreatment of Romney. He has told his delegates to "Make yourself heard but be respectful."

By playing dirty and being greedy, Romney supporters may have lost Romney both the nomination and the election.

Romney and the national GOP are showing their ugly colors by attempting to take away Ron Paul state delegate wins that were earned fair and square.

In speaking with some Ron Paul supporters, here is their current plan. If Ron Paul doesn't win the 2012 GOP nomination, many Ron Paul supporters will elect to vote for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian presidential candidate. Why wouldn't Ron Paul supporters write in Ron Paul on ballots around the country? For those write-in votes to count, a write-in candidate must be listed in every state and some Ron Paul supporters do not know if their Ron Paul votes would count.

And, due to the shabby treatment Ron Paul and his supporters have received from the GOP and Romney's people, many Ron Paul supporters may refuse to vote for Romney in 2012, even if it means Obama being re-elected for four more years. One supporter told me, "I want the GOP to see how many votes they lost by playing dirty. They will only be able to count all the lost votes if I vote for Gary Johnson."

If you want to learn more about Gary Johnson click here. He stands for small government, government staying out of your business, liberty and fiscal responsibility. He is like Ron Paul without the Roe v Wade concern. Gary Johnson has had virtually no media coverage so you may not have heard of him.

As I heard in grammar school and it remains true: "Cheat, Cheat Never Beat".

Ron Paul is the only qualified person for the 2012 Republican Nomination who can unify conservative Republicans and stabilize the economy. If the GOP is smart and humble enough to do a mea culpa and nominate Ron Paul, Republicans stand a better chance of winning in November. If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, many Ron Paul supporters will likely be voting for Gary Johnson. All Romney and the GOP had to do was play fair and win honorably, but I guess that was too much to ask.

But here is the GOP's conflict: If the GOP nominates Ron Paul and he wins, many of the GOP cronies will be shown the door. There will be a big house cleaning of corrupt politicians, like turning on the lights and the cockroaches scatter. On the other hand, if they don't nominate Ron Paul, they risk losing all the Ron Paul supporters, which would likely split the vote and lose the 2012 election entirely.

It is hard to make those type of decisions when choosing what is best for the country doesn't figure in at all, but choosing what is best for their own selfish principles of self-preservation, greed and thirst for power rule the day.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-trice/gop-scared-ron-paul_b_1814846.html

[Twisted Titan]

Looking back on history, we see violence going all the way back. People are ruled, then then rise up against the ruler or they invade or defend their nation. It seems to me that even though there is a temporary boost to freedom through such uprisings, in the long term, it doesn't change anything. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today because there have been so many wars for freedom and religion previously, surely things would have been fixed by now?

And think about who does all the dieing during these uprisings. It's always a bunch of peasants killing a bunch of other peasants.

I think things are intentionally engineered to get us to kill each other and destroy ourselves as much as possible. It starts with polarization into two sides, then a provocation to get them to fight each other.

We have to figure out a way to break the pattern that's been occurring for thousands of years.

I dont think the cycle can be broken......... there will always be at least one person who get the crazy idea they he should rule over the rest and will set about making that a reality and will use every tool at his disposal.

I think in a big cosmic sense there inherently has to be some form of conflict.

Not meaning to make this religious but think about the story about the fall of man. God "knew" that eventually the apple would be bitten and if so why did he put in there in the first place??? A conflict was going to rise out of our Paradise.

I think biggest concept that we have to grasp is life is not linear.....life is circular, hence it will always repeat

[vacuum]

I dont think the cycle can be broken......... there will always be at least one person who get the crazy idea they he should rule over the rest and will set about making that a reality and will use every tool at his disposal.

I think in a big cosmic sense there inherently has to be some form of conflict.

Not meaning to make this religious but think about the story about the fall of man. God "knew" that eventually the apple would be bitten and if so why did he put in there in the first place??? A conflict was going to rise out of our Paradise.

I think biggest concept that we have to grasp is life is not linear.....life is circular, hence it will always repeat

It's not linear, but it's not quite circular either. It's more of an ascending spiral...it repeats itself, but each time it's a little different, and hopefully leading somewhere.

There are many cycles, and cycles within cycles. This period over the last x thousands of years of war has been one big cycle and inside of it, each individual conflict has been a smaller cycle that has been repeating itself. But I don't think it can go on forever. I think the conflict will eventually change from what it has been. I don't know what the new struggle will be, I agree it will definitely exist in some manner.

Personally, if it truly is a circular cycle that cannot be broken, I see it as pointless and don't wish to be a part of it. I wouldn't want to help perpetuate such insanity.

[messianicdruid]

Be sure that the delegates are aware of this:

Mitt Romney’s Abortion Business Made Him $50M
by Karen Fish

Truth is stranger than fiction. You can’t make this stuff up because nobody would believe you. Mitt Romney’s business record is his chief qualification to be President, he says. Did you know that Mitt Romney’s business was the abortion business, from which he made $50 Million burning aborted fetuses through his company Stericycle?

When Mitt Romney was sworn in as Governor of Massachusetts on Jan. 2, 2003 he was Pro Choice. Mitt Romney was so pro choice that he was in the abortion business. Did Mitt Romney campaign when he ran for Governor that his chief qualification to be Governor of Massachusetts was that he was the owner of the largest aborted fetus incineration company in the United States of America? Mitt Romney’s Romneycare, the blueprint for Obamacare provided tax payer funding for abortions, which Obamacare does not. Mitt Romney introduced Romneycare to get the taxpayers to pay him personally as the owner of Stericylce to burn aborted fetuses.

Mitt Romney went on national television on five channels this week to publicly tell the American people that he absolutely left his company Bain Capital in Feb. 1999. When the Huffington Post reported on the Romney abortion scandal earlier this year Mitt Romney’s campaign and Bain friends said that Mitt had nothing to do with it because Mitt left Bain Capital in Feb. 1999 and they knew that Romney’s companies did not buy Stericycle until November 1999 when Mitt had severed ties with Bain Capital they said.

Now David Corn a brilliant hard hitting journalist for Mother Jones in the mold of Woodward and Bernstein, Redford and Hoffman who uncovered the Watergate scandal that proved that Richard Nixon was a b & e artist and chased him from the White House, David Corn has uncovered documents which show that Mitt Romney signed personally for the purchase of Stericycle in Nov. 1999, had sole voting and dispositive power and on the Bain Capital 2002 SEC filing Mitt Romney is listed as the sole shareholder, CEO, President, and Fetus Burner.

Mitt Romney is only going to release his 2010 and 2011 tax returns he just told America. When in 2008 Mitt Romney auditioned to become war hero Senator John McCain’s Vice President pick Mitt provided John McCain with 23 years of his tax returns which show exactly when and how Mitt Romney made $50 Million on his investment in Stericycle. This is why Senator McCain recently said that Sarah Palin was a better choice for VP than Mitt Romney. The Republican Party, the self proclaimed Pro Life party is running Mitt Romney, the biggest owner of the fetus disposal arm of the nation’s abortion clinics.

Mitt Romney’s business record is his chief qualification to be President, he says. Since when did outsourcing jobs to China and disposing of fetuses put a person in a position to continue pulling the American economy out of the ditch George W. Bush drove it into by cutting Mitt Romney’s taxes and waging two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan paid for with trillions of dollars of borrowed and printed money taking us from the Clinton surplus to the Bush jobs depression?

In case the GOP wakes up and runs Mitt Romney out of the country on a rail Mitt will be fine because his abortion millions are stored in Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Switzerland safe from the arms of the tax man. To now tell the American people that he is pro life, you have to admire Mitt Romney’s chutzpah or just ask yourself if he is just a plain ordinary bully, liar and sociopath. The real question is why are we [ anyone?? ] still listening to Mitt Romney let alone voting for him?

[JohnQPublic]

Romney May Be Nominated Early (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/romney-may-be-nominated-early/)


"TAMPA, Fla. – Mitt Romney’s quest to formally win the Republican Party’s presidential nomination may come two days earlier.
Plans are underway for Mr. Romney to be nominated on Monday – not Wednesday as previously thought – because of a potential threat from Tropical Storm Isaac and concerns about a possible disruption during the roll call vote from Ron Paul supporters at the Republican National Convention next week."

"As soon as Mr. Romney officially becomes the party’s presidential nominee, he can have access to the general election money he has spent months raising..."

"The campaign had hoped that the television networks would cover the convention on Monday because Ann Romney is delivering her marquee speech that evening, but so far the networks have declined."

"While Mr. Paul’s advisers have worked behind-the-scenes with the Romney campaign for months, several supporters have signaled their interest in making their admiration known for Mr. Paul on the convention floor. The Romney campaign has worked through most of the concerns, but leaned toward officially calling the roll of delegates on Monday, when television networks were not planning to broadcast the convention to diminish the potential for any fireworks.

Republican officials said that schedule of the roll call vote could resolve two potential problems: from Mr. Paul’s supporters and the winds and rain of Isaac."

[JohnQPublic]

The Ron Paul delegates (and stealth supporters in other delegations) need to figure out how to turn this "liability" into an "asset". Any ideas? Post them here.

1. Get all Ron Paul supporters (official delegates and sympathetic other delegates) to just not show up on Monday in protest of the rule changes.

[JohnQPublic]

RNC attempts to make Ron Paul ineligible for Republican nomination (http://www.examiner.com/article/rnc-attempts-to-make-ron-paul-ineligible-for-republican-nomination)
"The Republican (http://www.examiner.com/republican) National Committee's Rules Committee voted Wednesday to makes changes to their nomination process before the RNC (http://www.examiner.com/topic/rnc)'s 2012 convention next week. John Ryder, a Tennessee committee member, attempted to change the nomination rules so that a candidate would need to have won a plurality of delegates from 10 states instead of five. Ron Paul (http://www.examiner.com/topic/ron-paul), a Republican from Texas who has a large following, would then not be able to be nominated from the floor as a Republican candidate for President.

Ryder claimed that he wanted to eliminate "distractions" at the Republican convention..."

"...Morton Blackwell, a committee member from Virginia, opposed the measure. "All we are talking about here -– let's put it frankly -- is the possibility that somebody like Ron Paul would be denied the possibility, after he carried five states, to have his name placed into nomination," Blackwell said. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/republican-convention-ron-paul_n_1822985.html) "This is a very bad idea. And we have got to, in this party, treat newcomers fairly. This would be taken as a slap in the face to grassroots people," he said.

Five remains the number of states a Republican potential nominee needs to have won in order to be a potential presidential candidate, however there was a change to the nomination process made Wednesday. Delegates must indicate in writing at least one hour before they vote whom they intend to nominate."

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul at the RNC: Forget Hurricane Isaac, Hurricane Paul is the Real Storm That is Brewing (http://www.policymic.com/articles/13307/ron-paul-at-the-rnc-forget-hurricane-isaac-hurricane-paul-is-the-real-storm-that-is-brewing)

[EE_]

P.A.U.L. People Awakening & United For Liberty Festival Kicks Off In 14 Hours
August 23, 2012
By Lawrence SinclairIn 14 hours,

Friday August 24, 2012 even before the first session of the RNC begins a voice which clamors louder and louder with each passing hour will begin to shout from within the confines of what is known as the Tampa/St. Pete area. A voice that says the time has come for all Americans who believe in Liberty and the constitution to join forces and put an end to the two party system which continues to ignore the will of We the People.

P.A.U.L. People Awakening & United for Liberty Festival begins the Florida State Fair grounds in Tampa, Florida today. While the festival is honoring Texas Congressman Ron Paul and what he has done over his career to sound the warning bells and bring Americans the energy and knowledge which is the Liberty Movement, its not a Ron Paul festival. Its a festival designed to bring together people of every background, income level and state to work together in bringing about a real change in the current political system which to many Americans, has become nothing more than a changing of name every two, four or six years.

The line up at P.A.U.L. Fest brings the brightest and best the cause of Liberty has to offer in a venue and time that so many turn away in frustration. Before the Republican national Convention even gets off its opening gavel people from every walk of life and political affiliation will gather to send out the sounds of Liberty over party in a way that neither political party can or will be able to do.

Liberty is about making real change, and getting away from all the old party back slaps and greasing of each others palms. Liberty is about getting spending under control and doing away with the Fed.

So if you want to have your voice heard, if you want to learn just what the Liberty Movement is all about, please feel free to join them at the Florida State Fair grounds at 4800 US Hwy 301 North, Tampa, FL today thru Sunday.

http://www.lsnewsgroup.com/2012/08/23/p-a-u-l-people-awake-united-for-liberty-festival-kicks-off-today/

[JohnQPublic]

Gag me with a spoon... (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/269959/8/GOP-panel-ejects-Maine-delegates-behind-Paul)

"TAMPA, Florida (AP) - A group of Maine Republicans supportive of Texas congressman Ron Paul for president have been ejected from the state's national convention delegation...

According to a tally by The Associated Press, Paul won (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/269959/8/GOP-panel-ejects-Maine-delegates-behind-Paul#) 177 delegates to the national convention...


Paul was not expected to address the convention, but his son, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, is expected to speak."

[JohnQPublic]

Maine governor won't attend GOP convention (http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2012/08/24/maine_governor_wont_attend_gop_convention/)
"AUGUSTA, Maine—Maine Gov. Paul LePage says he's decided not to attend the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla."

"...The governor, one of Maine's 24 delegates to the convention, says he believes all of the Maine delegates who were selected at the Maine GOP Convention in May should be seated in Tampa. LePage says it's unfortunate that not all of those delegates will be seated."

[singular_me]

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. People who think RP can save us are living in denial.
right, tyranny calls for bloody revolutions, mere historical facts, but in the long run have the bloodshed resolved anything since tyranny always changes the rules of the game as it does see fit and that masses can help themselves but fall into the trap... ???

So saying that violence can address tyranny is a moot point. It works for a little while only. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting same results (quote). Non-cooperation is better in my view.

Until my 8,000+ GM postings were deleted overnight, I used to believe in RP... I made a U-turn 2 years ago. I dont believe in gold/silver neither as the cartel has most gold/silver already. And will redesign the gold/silver game when world fiat currencies are dead... they have done this for centuries, throughout antiquity and the middle ages. If history is any indication...


In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
being armed is a wise solution... I reckon.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

I wouldnt say that they love non-violence but big organizations which they finance like move on, occupy wall street, etc to make masses believe that they have a say... but they hate individual non-compliance and self-sufficiency.

I definitely go by the buckmister-fuller quote in my sig.

[JohnQPublic]

RNC Confirms Ron Paul Will Be Up For Presidential Nomination In Tampa (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/07/19/rnc-confirms-ron-paul-presidential-nomination-tampa-149451/)
"The GOP has confirmed that Ron Paul will be on the slate as a potential Republican nominee for President in Tampa Bay on August 26.
Don’t look now but tens of millions of Americans who don’t follow the real news online are going to be in for one hell of surprise when the find out the media has been lying to them about Romney having sealed the GOP nomination for President for 2012.


As the alternative media has been reporting for months, the media has just been outright lying about all kinds of things that is when they weren’t just outright ignoring the facts to begin with."

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul to Hold Major Rally in Tampa Ahead of RNC (http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/06/29/ron-paul-to-hold-major-rally-in-tampa-ahead-of-rnc-2/)




LAKE JACKSON, Texas – 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul will hold a major rally with thousands of supporters ahead of the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

The event will take place at noon on Sunday, August 26th at the University of South Florida’s 11,000-seat Sun Dome. Yesterday the Ron Paul campaign signed a contract to secure the venue with the approval of the Republican National Committee.
Details of the event are as follows. Time is Eastern.

Sunday, August 26, 2012
12:00 p.m.
Ron Paul Major Rally
Sun Dome

[I hope this does not turn into a "support Romney for the good of the party" event- JQP]
University of South Florida
4202 E. Fowler Avenue
Tampa, FL 33620
A map of and directions to the Sun Dome can be found by clicking here (http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=527957).

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzcngoeqgcM

[JohnQPublic]

Here are some streams form the P.A.U.L Festival:

http://12160.info/group/eye-on-rnc-2012-republican-national-convention-tam/page/p-a-u-l-festival-live-stream-links-we-livestream-watch-paul

[JohnQPublic]

Thousands Rally for Ron Paul (http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?a=4694&z=123)


The USF Sun Dome was the scene of a Sunday afternoon rally for the Texas congressman.

TAMPA, Fla. (Aug. 26, 2012) – Thousands of supporters of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul turned out Sunday ahead of Tropical Storm Isaac and the start of the Republican National Convention to cheer on the Texas Republican and his “Liberty Wing.”

The five-hour session, which began at noon, showcased a host of speakers and musical events, and concluded with U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-KY, introducing his father for the keynote address.

Supporters of libertarian Republican presidential candidate view as refreshing his policies of limited constitutional government and low taxes.

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul declines a speaking spot at GOP convention after Romney demands to review remarks (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014208135)
"
The libertarian Republican presidential candidate says he’s declined an opportunity to speak at the Republican National Convention in Tampa because Mitt Romney’s campaign imposed two conditions on any Paul speech — that it be reviewed by the nominee-to-be’s team and that it include an endorsement without hesitation or reservation.

“It wouldn’t be my speech,” the Texas congressman told the New York Times. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”
"

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul "republiCAN" Rally Off to Raucous and Controversial Start (http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/blog/ron-paul-republican-rally-raucous-and-controversial-start)
"Texas congressman and Republican primary presidential candidate Ron Paul's official pre-nominating convention rally kicked off to a raucous start, as thousands of conservative and libertarian enthusiasts crowded the USF Sun Dome in Tampa.

The event officially titled the "Ron Paul Paul republiCAN We Are the Future Rally," began at noon, right on schedule. Historian and political adviser Doug Wead acted as Master of Ceremonies and delivered the opening remarks, describing Paul as "a clean boat in a sea of garbage." "

"...The Sun Dome, which seats over 10,400 persons, was filled to overflow capacity."

[JohnQPublic]

Pro-Ron Paul delegates challenged in Maine (http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/maine/ap_maine/ProRon-Paul-delegates-challenged-in-Maine_29919819)Updated: Sunday, 26 Aug 2012, 12:51 PM EDT
Published : Sunday, 26 Aug 2012, 12:52 PM EDT


"PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — A pro-Ron Paul slate of delegates from Maine to the Republican National Convention is being challenged.
Peter Cianchette, a prominent Republican leader, and Janet Martens Staples, a Maine representative on the Republican National Committee, filed the challenge to 14 pro-Paul delegates and alternates on Saturday, the last day they could be challenged.
Staples told the Maine Sunday Telegram (http://bit.ly/OvnYvN ) that there was no quorum at May's Republican state convention when the delegates were elected, that illegal votes were cast and parliamentary rules were broken."

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI0q7xZWXqo

[JohnQPublic]

Peter Schiff Confirms Jesse Benton Paul Festival Sabotage (http://rtr.org/vid/536/peter-schiff-confirms-jesse-benton-paul-festival-sabotage)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9BX5B9vhw4

[JohnQPublic]

LIVE UPDATES: Iowa delegate at Republican National Convention (http://thegazette.com/2012/08/27/live-updates-iowa-delegate-at-republican-national-convention/)Fischer served as co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa presidential campaign
http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/republicanconvention485-150x93.jpg (http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/republicanconvention485.jpg)
Photo: Republican Convention






This page will feature live updates from David Fischer of Polk County, one of Iowa’s 28 delegates to the Republican National Convention beginning Monday in Tampa. Fischer was Iowa co-chair of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign and recently completed two years on the Republican Party of Iowa’s State Central Committee, the governing body of the Iowa GOP.


Follow his updates below, and add your thoughts as well, starting at 8 a.m. Monday.

[midnight rambler]

Removes ALL doubt that Benton is a snake.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9BX5B9vhw4&feature=player_embedded

[sirgonzo420]

Benton has been a fuck-up since day one, years ago.

[JohnQPublic]

Maine Delegation Appealing RNC Decision (http://560wgan.com/Maine-Delegation-Appealing-RNC-Decision/14086798)


Total News Service Reporting


TAMPA, Florida - The Maine delegation is appealing the Republican National Committee decision to limit the number of delegates into this week's convention who support Ron Paul.

The RNC ruled last week that Maine's 20 delegates would be split between Paul and Mitt Romney. Republican Governor Paul LePage is boycotting the convention because Maine's full slate of delegates are not being seated.

The appeal will ask that the full slate of delegates be restored immediately.

[vacuum]

So much illegal BS is going down right now.

[JohnQPublic]

3547

[chad]

what's john edwards doing in that photo?

[Rubberchicken]

As much as I like Ron's solution of observing the Constitution – the entire Constitution – it's not realistic in the totally corrupt political system we now have. Any part of the Constitution that deals with maintaining liberty for the individual against the state − which is to say the important parts of the document, the parts that made it unique − are now meaningless. In fact, anyone who quotes the Constitution now runs the risk of being jailed, in the interest of "national security," as a subversive, a dangerous anti-government radical or perhaps sent to an institution for psychiatric procedures. I kid you not; things have changed radically in the US over the past few decades.

But let's indulge in a fantasy and say Ron Paul somehow became President. Even if the Supreme Court didn't overturn everything he did as unconstitutional, Ron would have another, even bigger, obstacle with the US Congress. They would impeach him. In addition, he would find that the people, average Americans, would be bitterly unhappy about having all the government freebies taken away; they would want to lynch him.

Even if, through some miracle, the Supreme Court, the Congress, or the rioting mobs didn't remove him from office, he would still have to deal with the three million government employees, starting with the people who run the praetorian agencies − FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, DEA and others. He'd likely get a very forthright and disturbing talking to. The government as a whole − absolutely including the Pentagon − would, at a minimum, scheme against him.

So I'm afraid that's the long answer to your question. There really are no political solutions at this point, not within the current framework.

The only possible "solution" for change is a dictatorship. We'll probably see a dictatorship in the US, perhaps after the next major real or imagined terrorist event. Or perhaps if the US gets involved in a real war, not just a sport war like those in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or perhaps if the economy really collapses. Maybe we'll hit the Trifecta and all these things happen. Of course, a dictatorship, although it won't be called that, is actually the worst thing that could happen. Dictatorships are never a good idea even if their intentions are good. But that's the way things usually progress; it's a pattern throughout ancient, medieval and modern history. Why should the US be any different at this point?

http://www.thedailybell.com/4217/Anthony-Wile-Doug-Casey-on

[Down1]

POS Zio-whore Mike Huckabee chimes in.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has a message for Ron Paul supporters who say they feel "disrespected" by the Republican Party's delegate allocation process: You lost, move on.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mike-huckabee-ron-paul-supporters-lost-move-211409535.html


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mike-huckabee-ron-paul-supporters-lost-move-211409535.html

[Down1]

In the bag a long time ago.

Paul’s political relationship with Romney has been fraught but not entirely antagonistic. Throughout the primary, Paul attacked other candidates more than he did the former Massachusetts governor. “That made it pretty clear to anybody with brains that our side had started talking with the Romney people,” says a senior Paul staffer.


http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/27/ron-paul-in-tampa-a-gop-outsiders-last-hurrah


http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/27/ron-paul-in-tampa-a-gop-outsiders-last-hurrah

[JohnQPublic]

order of business (http://www.gopconvention2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Temp-Order-of-Business1.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=et&utm_content=text_body_Order+of+Business&utm_campaign=1651404_259876_2012%20Republican%20Na tional%20Convention) (temporary)

I noticed the invocations/benedictions:

Invocation Rabbi Meir Soloveichik
New York, NY

Rev. Sammy Rodriguez (courting the Hispanic vote)
President, National Hispanic
Christian Leadership Conference


Invocation Ishwar Singh (Sikh leader)

Invocation Ken and Priscilla Hutchins (got some Mormons in there)

Benediction His Eminence Methodios
Archbishop, Greek Orthodox
Archidiocese of America,
Metropolitan of Boston

Benediction His Eminence Timothy Cardinal
Dolan
Archbishop of New York

[Horn]

order of business (http://www.gopconvention2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Temp-Order-of-Business1.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=et&utm_content=text_body_Order+of+Business&utm_campaign=1651404_259876_2012%20Republican%20Na tional%20Convention) (temporary)

That was so temporary it never hatched.

[iOWNme]

Even the NYTimes is forced to admit that Romney and the Republican establishment have resorted to trying to change last minute rules to make sure that RP doesnt have a delegate chance...

At Convention, 2 Disruptions: Tropical Storm and Ron Paul

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/08/28/us/28repubs_span/28repubs-articleLarge.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/us/politics/romney-camp-looks-to-head-off-storm-during-convention.html


TAMPA, Fla. — Mitt Romney (http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/candidates/mitt-romney?inline=nyt-per)’s hopes for a highly disciplined and scripted nominating convention continued to fray Monday morning as a tropical storm barreled toward New Orleans and was expected to strengthen into a hurricane.

Mr. Romney’s convention organizers were also warily keeping an eye on some restive delegates, including supporters of Representative Ron Paul of Texas, who were poised to challenge parts of the convention’s rules and platform when it begins Tuesday afternoon.

Broadcast and cable networks on Monday began shifting some of their resources toward the hurricane-threatened Gulf Coast after it became clear that the storm’s impact on the Tampa area was minimal, as Republicans continued preparations to open their convention a day late.

“We are going to make sure that we monitor the storm as it proceeds,” said Russ Schriefer, a top adviser to Mr. Romney who is helping to produce the convention. “Obviously, our first concern is for the people who are in the path of the storm. We have a wait-and-see attitude to see what happens.”

The Romney campaign has for months seen the party’s convention as a crucial part of their strategy to define Mr. Romney in front of an audience of millions and to set the terms of the fall debate with President Obama.

A Washington Post/ABC News poll released Monday showed the race essentially deadlocked despite more than half a billion dollars worth of television commercials being shown by each side so far.

Mr. Romney had the support of 47 percent of registered voters in the poll (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-obama-romney-neck-and-neck-ahead-of-party-conventions/2012/08/26/62882360-efc3-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_story.html), while Mr. Obama had 46 percent — a similar result to the survey’s findings in early July.

But Mr. Romney’s desire for precision and control — perhaps born out of his background as a management consultant — is being broadly tested during what is typically the most choreographed part of a presidential campaign.

Haley Barbour, a Republican who was the governor of Mississippi when Hurricane Katrina (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/h/hurricane_katrina/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) ravaged the Gulf Coast in 2005, told reporters in Tampa on Monday that “everyone here has one eye on the storm.” The competing images between the political convention and the storm were a challenge, but, he said, “I don’t think it will have any significant impact on the capacity for this to be a springboard for Romney and Ryan.”

The convention lost one high-profile speaker to the storm Monday when Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, who had been considered a possible vice-presidential pick, said that he would not attend because of the storm threatening his state.

Tropical Storm Isaac has already forced organizers to shuffle the schedule, squeezing speakers together on three nights, instead of four. Instead of taking up one night, speeches dedicated to attacks on Mr. Obama’s record will instead be woven into three nights.

Convention organizers on Monday also postponed a briefing scheduled for 1 p.m. on the impact of Mr. Obama’s policies on women “due to the timing of the opening of the Republican National Convention.”

The only planned activity at the massive Tampa Bay Times Forum, the site of the convention, which remained largely empty on Monday, was a 10-minute formality in the afternoon for the Republican chairman to gavel the convention to order. Organizers said they planned to show off their high-tech video screens with a short film — an effort that will give networks something to broadcast.

Networks struggled to decide where to place resources and top talent as they sought to cover two big and rapidly changing stories. In many cases, the approaching storm was taking precedence.

CNN said Monday that it was rerouting two anchors, Anderson Cooper and Soledad O’Brien, from Tampa to New Orleans, putting them in place to lead the network’s coverage of the storm as it approaches the Gulf Coast. Fox News also diverted one of its anchors, Shepard Smith, to New Orleans.

The delay provided more time for some delegates to plot against changes to the party’s nominating rules that Mr. Romney’s campaign tried to push through late last week. Mr. Romney’s top lawyer had proposed a process of selecting delegates to the 2016 convention that would make it harder for someone like Mr. Paul to collect support.

“This is the biggest power grab in the history of the Republican Party because it shifts the power to select delegates from the state party to the candidate,” Jim Bopp, a national committeeman from Indiana, said in a statement. “It would make the Republican Party a top-down, not bottom-up, party.”

Aides to Mr. Romney said they were keeping tabs on the discussions about the rules changes and were anticipating possible efforts by some delegates to challenge the rules from the convention floor.

Mr. Paul’s supporters do not have enough delegates to seriously challenge Mr. Romney’s nomination, which will take place Tuesday in a roll-call vote. Convention planners hope that Mr. Romney will receive the number of delegates he needs to claim the nomination just as the 6:30 p.m. news broadcasts come on Tuesday.

But some of the real tensions that played out for more than a year during the Republican primaries remain as delegates gather for the convention. Mr. Romney’s advisers concede that those rivalries could play out during the convention’s early hours.

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2utvHfBzr8&feature=g-all-u

[Dogman]

Ron Paul to Make Appearance on GOP Convention Floor




Ron Paul to Make Appearance on GOP Convention Floor

By Kenneth T. Walsh (http://www.usnews.com/topics/author/kenneth_t_walsh)

August 28, 2012

(http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2012/08/28/ron-paul-to-make-appearance-on-gop-convention-floor_print.html) http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/35900/FE_DA_120828RonPaulConvention425x283.jpg

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, speaks at a rally at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on the sidelines of the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., on Sunday, Aug. 26, 2012.

TAMPA—Ron Paul is expected to make a surprise appearance on the floor of the Republican National Convention Tuesday at about 1:45 p.m., sources close to the GOP presidential candidate just told me.
His presence is apparently designed as a way to show solidarity with his several hundred delegates, many of whom are frustrated and seething because they are being outvoted and, in their minds, shunted aside at the Republican National Convention.

[PHOTOS: Ron Paul rallies in Tampa (http://www.usnews.com/photos/ron-paul-rallies-in-tampa)]

Paul, a GOP congressman from Texas, remains a candidate for the GOP presidential nomination but acknowledges that Mitt Romney long ago accumulated a majority of delegates and will win the roll-call vote Tuesday to secure the nomination.

But Paul supporters feel they have been pushed aside by the convention managers and the party establishment. Paul delegates and others are fighting proposed changes in party rules designed to tie delegates to the results of official nominating caucuses and primaries, rather than allowing delegates to ignore those results and support insurgent candidates at district and state party conventions.

This is what Paul forces did earlier this year in a handful of states, and they say the proposed new rules would shut them out and keep other insurgencies from getting traction in the future.

Another source of irritation for Paul delegates is that he will not be a speaker at the convention, although his son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, will be. Rand Paul has endorsed Romney, acknowledging that his father can't win the nomination. Ron Paul has not endorsed Romney.

Some of the hard feelings boiled over Monday when a small group of Paul delegates gathered in the back of the massive convention hall for a protest. A few held signs reading, "We can do better." John Honey, 37, an alternate delegate from Arkansas, told The Washington Post, "We can do better than Romney. Romney may beat Obama. Paul definitely would."

At a rally for Paul Sunday at the University of South Florida Sun Dome, 11,000 people cheered him during a speech and festival dedicated to his campaign. Lorie Siefer, of Biloxi, Mississippi, told my U.S. News colleague Elizabeth Flock (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/08/27/ron-paul-rally-draws-11000-high-emotion), "I won't vote for Romney. Romney and [President] Obama are two sides of the same coin....They tell you what think, how to live your life."

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ken-Walshs-Washington/2012/08/28/ron-paul-to-make-appearance-on-gop-convention-floor

[JohnQPublic]

For those who enjoy punishment:

Live RNC Feed

(http://www.policymic.com/articles/13574/livestream-rnc-where-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention-live-and-online)

[JohnQPublic]

Amid Ron Paul Supporters, What Are Romney Delegates to Do?

Aug. 28, 2012
Anjeanette Damon, Las Vegas Sun


"For the handful of Nevada Mitt Romney supporters in a delegation controlled by a band of would-be Ron Paul revolutionaries, the Republican National Convention has become more an event to endure than a celebration of their candidate.

Nevada's 28-person delegation contains just five people who personally support Romney. "

"Others want to continue a knock-down-drag-out fight to nominate Paul.

"To some of them, I'm a campaign sellout," said Carl Bunce, Paul's former Nevada campaign chairman, who is more aligned with the longer-term goal. "I got them in their (delegate) seats and now I'm a sellout." [here, here- JQP]

The first test of that unity likely will be today, when Paul delegates are expected to launch a challenge to a series of rules changes pushed through by the Romney campaign.

Depending on how that fight goes, the second test will be when it comes time for Nevada to formally announce its delegation vote. According to binding rules, Romney, who won the caucuses in February, gets 20 votes and Paul gets eight.

Perhaps one of the more dramatic moments of the convention will be when Chairman John Boehner conducts that state-by-state roll call vote to formally nominate Romney.

At that time, delegation chairman and devout Paul loyalist Wayne Terhune will take the microphone for Nevada.

And as of Monday, even he didn't know exactly what he is going to say. "

[slvrbugjim]

entire delegates of VA and Iowa buses turned around and not let to the convention, have returned back at the hotel and told they will not be allowed on the floor until after the roll call vote at 5:20 pm EST.

Update entire RI delegation also banned

[JohnQPublic]

I can't listen to this crap any longer. What a bunch of self aggrandizing ass-holes. They all talk about America, but only support Israel. They talk about Obama as a socialist, but forget Bush is the one who got us into trillion$ budgets. This is Republican Party mutual political masturbation and nothing more (and no, I did not expect otherwise).

The Ron Paul delegates have no choice but to take over this convention. Even if they do, nothing may change, but maybe even by trying a few more of us will wake up.

[iOWNme]

For those who enjoy punishment:

Live RNC Feed

(http://www.policymic.com/articles/13574/livestream-rnc-where-to-watch-the-republican-national-convention-live-and-online)

Watching now......

"Romney is the Hope.... and Ryan is the Change that America needs...." - Some idiot Congressman

[JohnQPublic]

entire delegates of VA and Iowa buses turned around and not let to the convention, have returned back at the hotel and told they will not be allowed on the floor until after the roll call vote at 5:20 pm EST.

Update entire RI delegation also banned

Even if Romney wins the nomination (which they have practically stolen anyway), I hope the Ron Paul delegates screw up this convention so bad in front of the American people that the facist asshole loses in the general election.

[sirgonzo420]

I can't listen to this crap any longer. What a bunch of self aggrandizing ass-holes. They all talk about America, but only support Israel. They talk about Obama as a socialist, but forget Bush is the one who got us into trillion$ budgets. This is Republican Party mutual political masturbation and nothing more (and no, I did not expect otherwise).

The Ron Paul delegates have no choice but to take over this convention. Even if they do nothing may change, but maybe even by trying a few more of us will wake up.

It's fuckin' hilarious.

"introducing Mr. So-and-So from the Great State of Such-and-Such...."

"Romney=Hope, Ryan=Change, DREAM TICKET !!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!"

*applause*

[JohnQPublic]

Wow! North Dakota has no debt and a growing economy! It must be because of Romney Republicans! It couldn't have anything to do with them sitting on an ocean of oil, could it? Look at Saudi Arabia you moron. We could be like Saudi Arabia! A new slogan for the morons.

[MNeagle]

Wow! North Dakota has no debt and a growing economy! It must be because of Romney Republicans! It couldn't have anything to do with them sitting on an ocean of oil, could it? Look at Saudi Arabia you moron. We could be like Saudi Arabia! A new slogan for the morons.

Actually, I think a bigger part of their success is their banking policy.

[JohnQPublic]

Actually, I think a bigger part of their success is their banking policy.

There is some truth in that, but the reason the bank is overflowing is the shale oil and gas. They are starting to have what the Canadians have had for the last 5-10 years in the oil sands regions.

[iOWNme]

Every single speaker so far has had the same underlying meme:

-Obama is to blame for all of our problems
-Government creates jobs



Say goodnight to this country. I look around and really cant find very many people who i would fight and die for. All i see are mentally retarded sheep who drool when they hear the Government bell ring.

Another note: There is MAYBE 30% capacity. NOBODY is even there! When a Congressman does say something that garners an applaud, all 7 people start clapping!


Thank the good lord for GSUS......The last bastion of independent thought and individual rights.

[sirgonzo420]

Every single speaker so far has had the same underlying meme:

-Obama is to blame for all of our problems
-Government creates jobs



Say goodnight to this country. I look around and really cant find very many people who i would fight and die for. All i see are mentally retarded sheep who drool when they hear the Government bell ring.

Another note: There is MAYBE 30% capacity. NOBODY is even there! When a Congressman does say something that garners an applaud, all 7 people start clapping!


Thank the good lord for GSUS......The last bastion of independent thought and individual rights.


The zombies there don't really seem that enthused.

They applause because they know that they are supposed to, but nobody is really sure why.

[iOWNme]

A caller into AJ today said RP spoke somewhere in Tampa today and there were over 10,000 in attendance.....Cant confirm though.

[JohnQPublic]

A caller into AJ today said RP spoke somewhere in Tampa today and there were over 10,000 in attendance.....Cant confirm though.

He filled a stadium yesterday (see previous posts).

[JohnQPublic]

It has started. Some delegates started chanting something (you sit down?). Other delegates starting chanting "U S A..." to cover it up.

add: somehow they have cutout the background noise! You can see them screaming, but hear nothing. When the cheers come on cue, they bring the background audio back in.

Mitt has lost already.

[sirgonzo420]

It has started. Some delegates started chanting something (you sit down?). Other delegates starting chanting "U S A..." to cover it up.

add: somehow they have cutout the background noise! You can see them screaming, but hear nothing. When the cheers come on cue, they bring the background audio back in.

Mitt has lost already.

It was "seat them now!" I believe... referring to Ron Paul delegates.

[EE_]

It has started. Some delegates started chanting something (you sit down?). Other delegates starting chanting "U S A..." to cover it up.

add: somehow they have cutout the background noise! You can see them screaming, but hear nothing. When the cheers come on cue, they bring the background audio back in.

Mitt has lost already.

You can't lose something you never had.

This qualude convention is about as lame as it gets.
Barely half full with a mostly geriatric crowd that rode in on their mobility scooters.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002569517/2025171032_tumblr_lxx8zcoCru1qzqua1o1_500_answer_3 _xlarge.jpeg

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002640479/3342624195_obama_ass_answer_2_xlarge_xlarge.jpeg

[JohnQPublic]

Here are some alternate feeds. I cannot see them at work.

http://mobilebroadcastnews.com/

[JohnQPublic]

The first round of nominations has started.

[sirgonzo420]

So far Alaska and Arizona have both announced delegates for Paul, and then the blonde GOP cunt only announces the votes for Romney. Why is she even there?

[chad]

hahahaha, pretty soon they will just resort to caesar sitting up there giving a thumbs up or a thumbs down to the potential nominees.

[JohnQPublic]

Colorado- 8 abstaining.

California: all 172 for the facist asshole.

[vacuum]

California: all 172 for the facist asshole.
That's disappointing

[JohnQPublic]

Deleware all for Romney. If slvbgjim is right, this is a farce.

http://www.dailypaul.com/251570/va-delegation-bus-being-redirected-away-from-convention-to-prevent-them-from-voting-against-rules-committee-power-grab

[JohnQPublic]

Iowa:22 votes Ron Paul (with a smile on his face); 6 for the facist.

[JohnQPublic]

Louisiana: 12 Paul, 32 facist, 1 or 2 for Santorum

Maine: 10 Paul, 14 Romney

Mass: all 41 for Romney.

Mich.: 24 Romney, 4 Paul

Minn.: 33 for Paul, 1 Santorum, 6 Romney !

Nevada: Ron Paul Revolution sign; 17 Paul, 5 Romney, 5 abstentions

NH: 9 Romey, 3 Paul

NC: 7 Paul, 48 a-hole

ND: 23 Romney, 5 Paul

Ok: 34 Romney, 6 Paul

OR: 4 Paul, 1 Santorum, 23 Romney

PA: 67 Romney, 5 Paul

RI: 15 RI, 4 Paul (with dueling Mitt/Ron signs)

Texas: 130 Romney, 20 Paul, 5 others

Vermont: 13 Romney, 4 Paul

Virginia: 46 Romney, 3 Paul

Washington: 5 Paul, 38 Romney

Wi/WY: 1 each for Paul


Mitt --> 2061 votes

USA Today has already called it. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-28/gop-convention-nominate-romney-tampa/57367246/1

[Cebu_4_2]

glad I'm moving out of mich

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1zI-jRVnQ&feature=g-all-u

[Libertytree]

The LA and Mass numbers ain't right, in that last week many of RP's delegates were replaced with Rmoneys hand picked delegates...cheatin bastards. It happened in other states as well.

[JohnQPublic]

Mitt got 2061 votes
Ron Paul got 190 (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1061156472&srvc=rss)
(there were a few abstentions and votes for other candidates, too).

1144 are needed to win.

Mitt would have to lose 917+1 AND Ron Paul would have to gain 954 to win.

Of course, if someone could force a second round of voting (with all delegates voting whatever they wanted- no California voting all for instance), who knows what could change.

[Cebu_4_2]

I dont think they can force a second run, not sure though. Read all about this crap so long ago I forgot.

[Libertytree]

Here's the deal, Ron couldv'e been nominated from the floor with the plurality of 5 states, which Ron had, but the credentials committee changed it to 8 states a few days ago!

[Steal]

Guess time to change my party affiliation to indipendent , if for no other reason than to save a few trees in all that friggin romney junk mail!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOHX1xz5c4

[Steal]

Im going to miss Ron Paul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GWhm4JahIs

[Libertytree]

I'm going to miss him too but at the same time he's a much bigger threat being outside of politics and being very capable of being a loose cannon. I don't think he's finished just yet, just changing chapters. Also, at least we don't have to worry about a collapse occurring with him in office.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3cI6D3a6Y

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3cI6D3a6Y

Again blatant rigging of the election process. Banned from the GOP because they were from Maine.

[Steal]

Do not care what anybody says, RP is the real deal......America just got fu@*ed. (video from 2008, none the less)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b3y7BxFPJ4

[Horn]

Ron Paul Delegates Barred From GOP Convention Spark Chaos (VIDEO)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/ron-paul-delegates_n_1837955.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Not a CYA word otherwise.

[JohnQPublic]

Here's the deal, Ron couldv'e been nominated from the floor with the plurality of 5 states, which Ron had, but the credentials committee changed it to 8 states a few days ago! They tried to change it to 10 states, but that failed. Where did you here 8 states?

[Libertytree]

They tried to change it to 10 states, but that failed. Where did you here 8 states?

It's been mentioned and discussed multiple times at RPF, sorry no link just yet.

[joboo]

"TAMPA, Fla. — Despite a determined and frenzied effort, delegates making a last ditch push to put Texas Rep. Ron Paul’s name on the presidential nominating ballot fell just short of the eight states they needed to make it happen."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/aug/28/paul-gets-needed-petitions-have-his-name-added-rnc/

[joboo]

Wyoming: 1 Paul, 28 Romney

Wisconsin: 1 Paul, 41 Romney

Washington: 5 Paul, 38 Romney

Virgin Islands: 1 Paul, 8 Romney

Virginia: 3 Paul, 46 Romney

(So great. The Paulians have been calling out Paul's numbers following the roll taker's announcements, "and xx for Ron Paul!)

Vermont: 4 Paul, 13 Romney

Texas: 20 Paul, 130 Romney

South Carolina: 1 Paul, 24 Romney

Rhode Island: 4 Paul, 15 Romney

Pennsylvanian: 5 Paul (read Paul Ryan), 67 Romney

Oregon: 4 Paul, 1 Santorum, 23 Romney

Oklahoma: 6 Paul, 34 Romney

North Dakota: 5 Paul, 23 Romney

North Carolina: 7 Paul, 48 Romney

New Jersey puts Romney over the top.

New Hampshire: 3 Paul, 9 Romney

Nevada: 17 Paul, 5 Romney, 5 abstain

Nebraska: 33 all for Romney

Mississippi: 4 Paul, 3 Santorum, 45 Romney

Minnesota: "Proud to have run a fair election with integrity" Gives 33 to Paul, 1 Santorum, 6 Romney

Michigan: 4 Paul, 24 Romney

Massachusetts: 41 Romney, 0 Paul. ???

Maine: 10 Paul, 14 Romney.

Louisiana: 12 Paul, 32 Romney, 2 Santorum

Iowa: 22 Ron Paul, 6 Romney. Lot's of cheers for Paul. The roll taker only repeats the Romney total.

Hawaii: 17 Romney, 3 Paul

Georgia gives 72 to Romney, then the microphone gets tuned off for the Paul total. Overheard is someone on stage saying ""Whoever controlled the microphone did a great job" Turns out Paul got 3. (reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/ronpaul/comments/yzej1/who_just_heard_that_during_the_roll_call_on_cnn/))

Colorado: 28 for Romney, 8 abstaining.

Arizona gives 26 to Romney, 3 to Paul; again the roll taker ignores Paul.

Alaska gives 18 to Romney, 9 to Paul. The lady on stage taking roll only repeats the Romney votes, completely ignores those of Paul.

Roll call...

Instructions given out (https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/240549785625583617) to chant "USA, USA" to drown out the Paulians.

[Steal]

As the most highly voted comment says, this just further enrages me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mARH32VvBRM

[Cebu_4_2]

Does anyone think these published numbers are legitimate? I mean really we saw what happened earlier, why would this be different and legitimate?

[Horn]

Minnesota: "Proud to have run a fair election with integrity" Gives 33 to Paul, 1 Santorum, 6 Romney

This is how you know there is something wrong with Mormons.

their neighbors have complaints.

[Skirnir_]

Instructions given out (https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/240549785625583617) to chant "USA, USA" to drown out the Paulians.

There seems to be a particularly noisome miasma of stupid in this country. Thankfully, it can be mitigated and warded off, though a fraction of a percent seem to be able.

[slvrbugjim]

Notice the one obvious thing that is missing from the approved of GOP vid of Ron Paul is his disdain for perpetual war that the GOP loves.
That Video almost made me barf, what a joke.

[Libertytree]

I won't watch it, if it had to have approval from their ministry of propaganda it has to be fluff bullshit. The ONLY tribute that was befitting of Ron was not cheating him and letting him speak unedited to the convention and the country. It wasn't even a matter of "letting" him speak, under the rules a candidate who had the plurality of 5 states could be nominated for POTUS from the floor and automatically would be given 15 mins to speak but they changed the rules at the last minute so that could not happen. Cheatin', pussy ass, coward bastards!

[monty]

I'm going to miss him too but at the same time he's a much bigger threat being outside of politics and being very capable of being a loose cannon. I don't think he's finished just yet, just changing chapters. Also, at least we don't have to worry about a collapse occurring with him in office.

I agree with you on all points. Also the chances of an assassinaton are greatly reduced.

[iOWNme]

It wasn't even a matter of "letting" him speak, under the rules a candidate who had the plurality of 5 states could be nominated for POTUS from the floor and automatically would be given 15 mins to speak but they changed the rules at the last minute so that could not happen. Cheatin', pussy ass, coward bastards!

THIS is why i removed my name from the voter registration. I suggest you do the same, or you are leaving your name in a pool full of other Cheaters, pussy ass' and cowards.....

[Libertytree]

THIS is why i removed my name from the voter registration. I suggest you do the same, or you are leaving your name in a pool full of other Cheaters, pussy ass' and cowards.....

Consider it done, this was my last dance.

[Down1]

Clint "The Fraud" Eastwood blows Mittens tonight.

Academy Award-winning actor and director Clint Eastwood will speak at the Republican National Convention on Thursday, multiple news outlets are reporting.

Rumors about a "mystery speaker" swirled after convention organizers released a revised schedule earlier this week with a "To Be Announced" slot before a speech by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who will introduce Mitt Romney.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/clint-eastwood-speak-republican-national-convention-184514679--election.html


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/clint-eastwood-speak-republican-national-convention-184514679--election.html

[Down1]

THIS is why i removed my name from the voter registration. I suggest you do the same, or you are leaving your name in a pool full of other Cheaters, pussy ass' and cowards.....
It is something to think about.
I don't want to skip too many elections and have someone voting in my name.

[Steal]

great interview. No longer left & right. Is insiders (1%) vs the outsiders (99%)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrUPtwIKuk

[iOWNme]

Consider it done, this was my last dance.

Amen brother!

[iOWNme]

great interview. No longer left & right. Is insiders (1%) vs the outsiders (99%)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrUPtwIKuk

So the truth finally comes out about why RP didnt attack Mittens in the debates? Because Romney 'threatened' to "Destroy Ron Paul's name, and destroy his entire career"? Really? Im supposed to believe that RP fought corruption and traitors his entire career, battled against TPTB on all fronts pertaining to the individual and NEVER compromised his Constitutional position an any matter, only to end his impeccable career by caving to a plastic Ken doll nobody hack cardboard cutout ala Mitt Romney?

I smell a RAT in the RP camp.......and did from day 1.

[JohnQPublic]

great interview. No longer left & right. Is insiders (1%) vs the outsiders (99%)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrUPtwIKuk

Interesting how he supports Jesse Benton.

[Steal]

Interesting how he supports Jesse Benton.

yeah, caught that also, thought Jesse walked away with a little over half a million taken from donations....

[Cebu_4_2]

What's that saying? Fool me once and it's cool, fool me twice and I will stab you in the dick?

[jimswift]

By alienating the Ron Paul contingency, wouldn't that create the perception that Romney will come up short?

[Horn]

By alienating the Ron Paul contingency, wouldn't that create the perception that Romney will come up short?

They don't have the payoff money necessary to change aide regimes currently.

Better off to stick with aide crew B under Obama, for them.

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul Recants The GOP, Just Says No To Keynesians (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ron-paul-recants-gop-just-says-no-keynesians) http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 08/31/2012 08:26 -0400


As we anticipate more demand-rigging, pump-priming, can-kicking experiments from Bernanke today, Ron Paul just came out with his latest stream of truthiness (via Bloomberg):


*REP. PAUL SAYS BOTH PARTIES KEYNESIANS, GOP 'NOT HIS
PARTY'
*REP. PAUL SAYS FED PRICE FIXING
*REP. PAUL SAYS FED FLOODING MARKET WITH MONEY

Indeed, what is the opposite of 'between a rock and a hard place' when deciding on just who will provide 'change' in November.

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrYdBL7BFwE

[Libertytree]

Today I'm crying tears, tears of shame of my country, tears of hatred for the GOP, tears of pride for those that wouldn't back down, today I weep and am so fucking saddened by all that I have witnessed these past 3 days. May God help any of these cockholsters should they veer into my fray, they have no souls that are worth redeeming.

[Libertytree]

I've never been a spammer but from here on out watch the fuck out, Steals vid will pave the way and I urge any of you to take up where they cut me off. My tears have dried and my anger is unleashed, fuck them.

[JohnQPublic]

I've never been a spammer but from here on out watch the fuck out, Steals vid will pave the way and I urge any of you to take up where they cut me off. My tears have dried and my anger is unleashed, fuck them.

I have to give a lot of credit to the delegates. They did their part.

[EE_]

I'm sorry I watched that vid...I didn't want to feel angry right now, damn it!
May God ---- the Republicans!

[Libertytree]

Priebus should hang!

[monty]

So the truth finally comes out about why RP didnt attack Mittens in the debates? Because Romney 'threatened' to "Destroy Ron Paul's name, and destroy his entire career"? Really? Im supposed to believe that RP fought corruption and traitors his entire career, battled against TPTB on all fronts pertaining to the individual and NEVER compromised his Constitutional position an any matter, only to end his impeccable career by caving to a plastic Ken doll nobody hack cardboard cutout ala Mitt Romney?

I smell a RAT in the RP camp.......and did from day 1.

I have had the same feeling.

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbyHvNsHHU&feature=g-all-u

[Horn]

Excellent piece, steal.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbyHvNsHHU&feature=g-all-u

First half started out ok. Is he seriously saying you cannot simultaneously believe in God and be intelligent? Do you have to believe in all sciences unproven fantasies (e.g., evolution,) to be intelligent? Since when does following others opinions make you intelligent. I think this guy has a few issues of his own.

He is clearly a smart guy, but he is basically laying out his religion (a form of scientific atheism) as the only one, and trying to convince people to follow it. This is basically the view that the communist party in China requires their members to believe. See this article about East Germany (http://veritas-catholic.blogspot.com/2006/11/communist-east-germany-youth.html).

[Horn]

He is clearly a smart guy, but he is basically laying out his religion (a form of scientific atheism) as the only one, and trying to convince people to follow it.

He is citing an increase in religious conservatism and superstition in parallel to increased state power and control, if there was a piece of his own "religion" in there, I missed it.

Most "religions" are in and of themselves a "laying away" of ones own responsibility, and example.

I will review the excellent piece again to investigate for your "scientific atheistic" intent, or anti-geocentricity.

[Ponce]

Is Ron Paul going to form a third party?....... "The Peoples Party?".....is his only chance to become the next president.

[JohnQPublic]

... if there was a piece of his own "religion" in there, I missed it.

Most "religions" are in and of themselves a "laying away" of ones own responsibility, and example.

I will review the excellent piece again to investigate for your "scientific atheistic" intent, or anti-geocentricity.

He is saying people are stupid because they don't believe in evolution. Many intelligent people do not believe in evolution. He did mention the sun going around the earth, and I understand that issue. Very few people do believe otherwise intelligently, but it is possible. The point is that he is pretty attuned to the political realities, but is mixing philosophy and science, and trying to push it as science, and this in turns takes on religious like attributes. Most cosmology, and to a large degree evolution is philosophical in nature. He needs to be more broad minded and be willing to consider that intelligent people are out there who also see the political realities, but for instance, do believe in God.

I think also, that his main point may be true- there is a lot of ignorance out there. He needs to separate the ignorance from only his brand of intelligence, and again, broaden his perspective a little. I think he is more right than wrong.

[Horn]

this in turns takes on religious like attributes.

The percentages are to try and explain the dumbing down of society since the 50's, and the increase in state power.

In parts about child abuse later he explains how God enforcement from parents doesn't work either.

It's philosophy, and IMO not a bad one for individuals opposed to the state. Philosophy is flexible, as in everyone has their own.

[Steal]

I hope Ron Paul does run 3rd party! Big announcement scheduled for Sept 4th.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvXghUVFDvw

[vacuum]

I hope he runs third party. Who cares if he can't get on all state's ballots. He should do it just to screw over Romney and the republicans.

[Steal]

then again, we all know how rummors can get out of wack. ( I do not have a FB account, so this is all I can see )
http://www.facebook.com/RonPaulFlix?ref=stream

[Steal]

the protest vote...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsM9SU4YD80

[Cebu_4_2]

And? Any follow up yet?

[Steal]

guess someone will have to catch Leno tomorrow night. for some reason Im not holding my breath...though fingers are crossed.

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul will not endorse Gary Johnson (http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-not-endorse-gary-johnson-165014162.html)


Jesse Benton, the national campaign chairman for Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential bid, flatly told The Daily Caller on Tuesday that Paul “will not endorse Gary Johnson.” ...

"On Tuesday evening Paul will appear on Jay Leno’s “Tonight Show,” where he will likely be pressed on the November election."

[He did not say that Paul will not run with him... JQP]

[Steal]

http://www.dailypaul.com/252263/ron-paul-on-jay-leno-9-4-12

[chad]

has it ever occurred to any of you that the left versus right trap also includes ron paul, and that he is the flypaper used to catch all the flys that somehow escape the honey & vinegar trap?

[sirgonzo420]

has it ever occurred to any of you that the left versus right trap also includes ron paul, and that he is the flypaper used to catch all the flys that somehow escape the honey & vinegar trap?

How does he "trap" people though?

By getting them to vote for him?

By getting them to run for public office themselves?

By keeping people mired in "the System"?

Maybe you're right. I just see a guy with a pretty much perfect voting record who is a lover of Liberty. Hell, the other day I watched a clip from 1988 or so where he even calls out the CIA for running drugs. I can't think of a better person in Congress... can you?

The man himself is not against us, although higher powers than he may be using him for their own agenda. But that is no metric by which one should condemn Dr. Paul... we are all used against each other one way or another. Television can turn your own family into your enemy.

Ron Paul is being used, and he knows that he is being used. He does it anyway because he knows that some people will see through it, and because he figures that it is better to have Libery discussed a little than not at all.

But he is not a messiah.

[chad]

it just seems like it has turned in to a sideshow in the last month. is rand going to get a speaking spot? what did jesse benton say? what will ron do? whose tv show is he going to be on? who is he going to endorse? maybe he is going to run with somebody else! to my highly pessimistic frame of mind of late, it just smacks of soap opera. i guess i lost the hope + change somewhere between rand endorsing mittens and ron not showing up to his own rally.

[Tumbleweed]

I'm sixty one years old and over those years I've learned to never give up if your want something bad enough. Keep trying and you'll eventually be succesful. I know this from experiance. If you quit you fail. Never quit! Keep trying!

[sirgonzo420]

it just seems like it has turned in to a sideshow in the last month. is rand going to get a speaking spot? what did jesse benton say? what will ron do? whose tv show is he going to be on? who is he going to endorse? maybe he is going to run with somebody else! to my highly pessimistic frame of mind of late, it just smacks of soap opera. i guess i lost the hope + change somewhere between rand endorsing mittens and ron not showing up to his own rally.

Well yeah, all the world's a stage...

Fuck Jesse Benton...

Rand I am giving some time. His dad's straight-up, nice-guy ass has never sat in a Senate seat, but Rand's has and does. That means something. Rand is more electable with the masses. Rand can sprinkle in some neo-con lite into his liberty message, and have more of the drooling FoxNews viewing voters gobbling it up. Methinks Randy is using his Senate seat as a stepping stone to a 2016 presidency after another Obama term (assuming this place is still here)... at which point he will reveal himself by his actions to be a Liberty Trojan Horse of a sort... if not, his former supporters will be quite upset and disappointed in him.

Worst case scenario, I view the Paul Family as in the same boat as Alex Jones.

All things said and done, I would be inclined to think that the Paul Family and Alex Jones have "woken people up" and that some of those people have "moved beyond them" or behind their veil. Does that make sense?

[Hatha Sunahara]

Watch the Jay Leno show tonight. Ron Paul will make his announcement there.

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/


Hatha

[Steal]

all a bunch of fluff talk. I guess Dr. Paul might write a book or two over the next few years, play with grand kids and maybe give a lecture here and there. That seems about it. I can not really see anyone to pick up his torch. It's late, im going to bed, bah!

[chad]

Well yeah, all the world's a stage...

Fuck Jesse Benton...

Rand I am giving some time. His dad's straight-up, nice-guy ass has never sat in a Senate seat, but Rand's has and does. That means something. Rand is more electable with the masses. Rand can sprinkle in some neo-con lite into his liberty message, and have more of the drooling FoxNews viewing voters gobbling it up. Methinks Randy is using his Senate seat as a stepping stone to a 2016 presidency after another Obama term (assuming this place is still here)... at which point he will reveal himself by his actions to be a Liberty Trojan Horse of a sort... if not, his former supporters will be quite upset and disappointed in him.

Worst case scenario, I view the Paul Family as in the same boat as Alex Jones.

All things said and done, I would be inclined to think that the Paul Family and Alex Jones have "woken people up" and that some of those people have "moved beyond them" or behind their veil. Does that make sense?


it does, i'm with you i guess, i'm just weary of it. it's like being a raiders fan. you get all fired up, but you know every season they are going to lose.

[iOWNme]

Paul says he wont run 3rd party....As he needs to rest up for 2016! Jokingly of course....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uig9-nHudI

[sirgonzo420]

it does, i'm with you i guess, i'm just weary of it. it's like being a raiders fan. you get all fired up, but you know every season they are going to lose.

Hahahaha I know man.

Perhaps fortunately, emotionally, I tend to have the ability to detach, and so I do not get as strung-out whenever Ron Paul fails to fix our problems. I still point him out to people who are stuck in the system and who see voting as a way to fix things.

The way I see it, there is nearly an infinite amount of Statists and Marxists who have a huuuuuuge and highly-effective 24/7/365/1000-channel platform for spreading their dogma and brainwashing, but Ron Paul represents an opposing side to that... a side representative of personal responsibility and Liberty. Ron Paul supporters are more likely to buy gold, silver, preps and guns/ammo. They are more likely to "see through" many of the shell games in politics, and one day, perhaps all the Ron Paul supporters will decide: "Hey wait, we don't NEED Ron Paul to bring us Freedom, we can INSIST upon it ourselves and each man be the champion of his own liberty." As in "we're gonna live free and the way we want to, and if you have a problem with that, then come and fucking stop us."

When you have Communists running around dictating how people should conduct their lives as if that is normal and acceptable, and then there is lowly little Ron Paul, with his perfect Congressional voting record who speaks truths that the Commies will not... who condemns income tax/central banking and prohibition/the drug-dealing CIA as banes to real Liberty, who stands in support of personal responsibility and the ability to live one's own life according to the dictates of one's own conscience, then I must give him no less than the credit he deserves, and appreciate his efforts in kindling that old fire of which only embers remain, having been doused for decades by the deluge of collectivism/communism/general asshatery and proto-Idiocracy.

In the "lesser of the evils" game, Ron Paul has no place. He is not perfect, and is ineffectual if you expect him to do anything more than encourage some people to think, but compared to professional lying assholes like Obama and Romney and all the traitorous faggots in the District, he's a fuckin' Boy Scout.

I don't donate money to him, his campaign, Jesse Benton, Rand, or the Campaign for Liberty.

I don't vote either. I am not party to the body politic.

It's a shame to watch Ron Paul run and lose, but I still figure it is better than him not existing at all..... I can only think of 434 worse Representatives.


All in all, he's a great-grandfather who has spent years of his life in a place surrounded by people (I use the word "people" loosely here - they are in fact some of the most diabolical sociopathic assholes ever to walk the earth) who despise him and who actively try to destroy the country in which he was raised. After this, many people still lampoon him, mock him and use him as an object of ridicule; even the people whose future he is trying to protect.

TL,DR - This guy is not your enemy:

[Ponce]

With no third party for Ron Paul we are soooooooooooooo FUOK, get ready for war and hard times.

If anyone here knows how he can win now please let me know.

[JohnQPublic]

With no third party for Ron Paul we are soooooooooooooo FUOK, get ready for war and hard times.

If anyone here knows how he can win now please let me know.

HE can't win if he is not running. Can WE win? Not sure.

[Horn]

Ponce for President.