A Legal Notice

[palani]

Can't help but wonder how this turned out.

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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=dL6bBWYs_hoC&dat=18020305&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

[palani]

Here is how you communicate with "former" friends.

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A good rule is: Friends don't lend money to friends.

[Glass]

A good rule is: Friends don't lend money to friends.

QFT.

Friendship ends when money is lent.

[madfranks]

You know, palini, I appreciate this thread. It never occurred to me that one would make a public record of something like this. And even though I'm no scholar of the law, it seems to me a public declaration would be a prudent thing to do in this sort of situation.

[palani]

You know, palini, I appreciate this thread. It never occurred to me that one would make a public record of something like this. And even though I'm no scholar of the law, it seems to me a public declaration would be a prudent thing to do in this sort of situation.

All you need is imagination to decide how to use this tool to your advantage.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

As I understand it, notices in newspapers are offers. The receiving party has the opportunity to counter-off, and for some weird reason, the law considers silence to be acceptance.

[sirgonzo420]

As I understand it, notices in newspapers are offers. The receiving party has the opportunity to counter-off, and for some weird reason, the law considers silence to be acceptance.

Me: "Hey, you gonna eat your cornbread?"

You: *no response*

Me: *slowly reaches for cornbread*

Of course, you would still have 3 days to decide if you wanted your cornbread back.

[palani]

Got that odd power of attorney hangin' out there and don't know how to dump it? Here's a thought.

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[palani]

From the personal column

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[palani]

Notice that when goods or services are offered these people were not shy about requiring LAWFUL MONEY!!!!!

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[palani]

Here is a classic.

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Notice that the gentleman does not demand his errant spouses creditors to cancel their just debts from BEFORE the date of the notice. He is on the hook for those. Only the debts AFTER the date of notice are going to be denied.

The gets back to the 14th amendment section IV


But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

The 14th amendment was put into practice in 1868. The (un)civil war was long over. In the context of paying for the debts of the south this notice is a NON-STARTER. Notices only take effect AFTER the notice has been published. So what insurrection? Why, the 14th amendment, of course. This amendment throws out the entire organic constitution and anyone who derives any benefits from it are in insurrection (even as the amendment acknowledges).

[palani]

Along the lines of LAWFUL MONEY but more specifically GOLD OR SILVER

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Don't be shy about asking for what you will accept.

[palani]

Have a note for LAWFUL MONEY missing? Let the world know of it and that fact that it is valueless.

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[palani]

Unless I miss my guess the land owners of Lyndon township in Vermont are being noticed by their clerk that they owe some tax or else he is planning upon taking so much of their property (rights) as is necessary to fill the holes in his pocket.

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Odd that Vermont had no papers to publish this notice in and that it had to be sent to Providence, R.I. for publication.

[palani]

The last notice had me curious so I looked up Lyndon township, Vermont. Seems the original grant was to Rhode Island peoples.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vermont/CaledoniaLyndon.html


The grant of the township being to citizens of Rhode Island, most of the early settlers came from that state and vicinity, Seekonk and Rehoboth, Mass. Others came from the interior of Massachusetts, and the valley of the Connecticut river, in Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire; and some from the interior of New Hampshire, Sandwich and its vicinity. The first settlement was commenced by Daniel Cahoon, Jr., a native of Providence, R.I., then coming from Winchester, N.H. He, with a few chosen men, commenced a clearing on right No.3, allotted to his father as original proprietor, in April 1788.

[madfranks]

This is interesting but some of it's pretty hard to follow.

[Twisted Titan]

This is interesting but some of it's pretty hard to follow.


Its old english AND legalese.......thats a potent dubble whammy IMO

[palani]

A good idea .. if you happen to have a warrant out for you that you don't know of .. and you happen to be found in another state ... then you have a charge of interstate flight to avoid prosecution ... unless you happen to let everyone know what you are doing.

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[palani]

A financial transaction gone sour? Warn the world ... it is called estoppel.

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[palani]

You really hope that anyone reading this knows what "night sod" consists of and what a vault is (hint: you will not find this in a bank)


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[palani]

Now this is reported in Boston in 1848. While old news you might change the names and date and be as current today as then. Are YOU ready to discount your notes with a 5 - 10% discount and be happy?

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[palani]

Ever wonder what a bail bondsman actually makes? Here is an example from 1848 in Boston. Consider that 10% of the bond is what is paid the bail bondsman. Seems a shame that he had to lose $100 for one miscreant.

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[palani]

Homeschoolers ... DON'T TRY THIS ... The outcome will be guaranteed.

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[palani]

If you can believe all you read .. this says a steam powered airplane was in the works 50 years prior to the Wrights (reported in 1853) ....

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[Uncle Salty]

If you can believe all you read .. this says a steam powered airplane was in the works 50 years prior to the Wrights (reported in 1853) ....

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I believe it was more of a Zeppelin than an airplane. And it never made it off the ground.

[palani]

My how times change. Do you realize that $80 in gold (four double eagles) would set you back danged close to $8,000 in fictional money? So a 450 mile stage trip that starts on Saturday and ends Thursday evening was pretty expensive for the time.

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And just to let you know the outcome of the journey was not always certain, from the same 1872 paper,

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[palani]

Then some miners might get together and decide to form a mining district. They establish their own charter, elect a recorder and they are off and running.

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[palani]

Did you think that a passport was a new requirement for U.S. citizens? Here is a notice in an 1865 Vancouver, BC paper

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However most people don't want to enter the U.S. (aka The District of Columbia) and are ignorant as to where they actually want to go.

[steel_ag]

The seemingly mundane affairs of the past are made visible by the windows of notice lasting to the present. 5 star thread.

[Glass]

However most people don't want to enter the U.S. (aka The District of Columbia) and are ignorant as to where they actually want to go.

It says entering an American Port, but does not indicate which one. Given that the Military execute this law(?) does that mean that it is a military law? Under what colour of law is this executed? There is the claim that the US is under military law and has been since the Civil war when the South walked out. Complicated situations.

I think you posted before about how passports are military papers of a sort. States and Municipalities can assist in the execution of this law. Their assistance is requested, not demanded or mandatory so it's up to them to participate or not. Is this the invitation for States to set up border posts or states to allow the Feds to have boots on the ground?

[palani]

It says entering an American Port, but does not indicate which one.
The EXCEPTION to the rule given is immigrants entering America by sea. By land is an entirely different matter apparently.



I think you posted before about how passports are military papers of a sort. A license of sort to carry on business while the war goes on unabated.


States and Municipalities can assist in the execution of this law. Their assistance is requested, not demanded or mandatory so it's up to them to participate or not. Is this the invitation for States to set up border posts or states to allow the Feds to have boots on the ground? This notice is dated 1864. Certainly the (un)civil war was still in an active phase. To this day the issue has been undecided.

[palani]

Land in New York state seems to have been fairly reasonably priced in 1857 (that odd looking 8 appears to be an attempt at a dollar sign).

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[palani]

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Newspapers these days seem to be less forthcoming about details of suicide. I expect the list would be quite long (and gory).

[palani]

And then there is the never-ending debate on specie vs script. (circa 1857)

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[palani]

Perhaps if this gentleman's offer had been accepted there would not now be running a Mormon for president (not that there is anything wrong with that!)

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Suppose the world would have developed differently had the Mormons headed for Canada or Sonora?

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[palani]

Here 'ya go. A list of banks declared "broken and suspended" from 1857, provided as a public service by the Keokuk Saturday Post. What's with Indiana? They seem to have a large part of this market.

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[palani]

Now this report ought to be of interest. The Keokuk Saturday Post of Oct 3, 1857 has a report of the sinking of the SS Central America, a ship bringing many wealthy passengers back from the California gold rush. Seems having lots of gold under the circumstances was not considered as valuable as a good life preserver (a prime example of rocks, paper, scissors).

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The SS Central America was discovered and much of the bar gold was recovered but I suspect the placer gold is still out there.

[palani]

As reported in the Bedford Mercury Aug 28, 1812 ... seems like they printed more details than the paper will touch now-a-days.

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[palani]

From the same paper as the previous report

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[palani]

In case anyone is curious this is how a declaration of war is SUPPOSED to look.

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[palani]

It has been said that New Englanders are frugal. From the following account who would blame an apprentice from leaving for someone THIS cheap:

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[palani]

Now here is a notice designed to attract future land owners into battle

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"The Reporter" May 11, 1812

[palani]

And, in the same issue as the previous post, here is how the property will be seized for taxes owed (if within the borough in question)

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Of such notices as these contracts are implied.

[palani]

Following the legal process even further (although this does not appear to be a tax lien event .. probably a mortgage)

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[palani]

Always nice to let everyone know when your main goal is to be left alone.

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[steel_ag]

Now here is a notice designed to attract future land owners into battle

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"The Reporter" May 11, 1812

The 160 acre provision of land in this notice caught my eye. I wonder what federal statute etc authorized this? And when it was repealed, if ever?

[palani]

The 160 acre provision of land in this notice caught my eye. I wonder what federal statute etc authorized this? And when it was repealed, if ever?
I don't believe the policy has ever been retracted. You are issued a DD214 upon discharge and if it has the word "honorable" on it (not as in "dishonorable") then you might accept it as a warrant for land and proceed to the choicest bit of public land you might find unattached and claim it. I have heard it suggested that a UCC1 filing needs to be performed on the DD214 for its commercial value but wouldn't suggest that this step is necessary.

[steel_ag]

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=613

page 490 and 491

[palani]

Now here is how doctors USED to charge. This is from a paper dated 1837 in Du Buque, Wisconsin Territory.

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[palani]

1837 ... Iowa, Wisconsin Territory ... They knew how to handle debt even then.

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[Glass]

1837 ... Iowa, Wisconsin Territory ... They knew how to handle debt even then.

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Gee things sure have changed haven't they.

This one gets the 222th thx.

[palani]

Notice and failure to respond is what constitutes consent. Here a new crime with attached penalty is created from thin air by a legal notice. What was not criminal prior to the notice becomes criminal after. You fail to rebut the notice with a notice of your own and suddenly you are no longer as free as you were before.

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[palani]

This one almost reminds me of my last public notice. It was written in such an obscure manner that the district judge could not figure out what I was making public. I am afraid I don't have a clue as to what this gentleman is attempting to convey. Who knows? Maybe it is code.

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[Mouse]

He is looking for some free pussy :)

[Glass]

He is looking for some free pussy :)

yes, something of valuable consideration in lieu of debts. Was entangled with a foreigner but now is free.

Reminds me of King George in Black Adder calling a potential bride a saucy young trollop.

[palani]

Here 'ya go. Here is a blueprint on how to set up the militia in your area. Note that this was done in 1838 when Burlington (the one south of Davenport on the Mississippi) was the capital of the Wisconsin Territory.

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Oh, and far as interpretation, the officers of a militia are voted upon by the members. On this basis the current National Guard has no relationship at all to the concept of a peoples militia.

Upon being elected the governor is directed to provide commissions to the officer.

I expect the people involved in these militias were the same ones who 7 years later almost went to war with Missouri over the Iowa/Missouri border dispute.

[palani]

OMG!!! Experimentation with genetically modified corn has been reported to been active since (1837 ... the date of the article -24 ) =1813. And for the record I have NEVER even seen a stalk of corn with 4 ears much less 6, 7 or 8. On the positive side though with modern genetics and soil management in excess of 200 bushels per acre is possible.

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[palani]

Should you slander or libel an employee falsely then you really ought to consider publicly humiliating yourself (while blaming the bank in the same recantation).

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[palani]

Tennessee comes down hard on Bowie knives and Arkansas toothpicks (circa 1838)

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[palani]

Back in the day you could find unclaimed land and stake your claim to it. This is from 1838 Iowa. Wisconsin territory. Note it is not a legal notice but an ADVERTISEMENT. Note art. 9 ... you derive no benefits from the constitution (wherein others debts are passed to you) until you subscribe to it.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=dVnQPkO1q_gC&dat=18380407&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

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[palani]

Living on barnacles and bottles of smoke .. this could be the mode of living in America circa the 21st century.

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[palani]

From Sept 30, 1837 Iowa News .. a letter from the postmaster general to the president. I show only the opening and ending paragraph and a paragraph in the middle of particular interest. This gentleman seems to know what he is talking about.

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Found here

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=dVnQPkO1q_gC&dat=18370930&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

[palani]

Deja Vu? Jan 20, AD1838

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[palani]

Ownership by prescription

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[palani]

Ever wonder how all those cowpokes knew the brands of all the neighboring ranches? They read the paper.

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[palani]

Everything has a beginning. Suppose this is it?

From the Brockville Recorder Oct 10 AD1839 found here http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=g5m5HwL7SMYC&dat=18391010&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

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[palani]

A Roman practice to be sure. Dad cuts the kids loose and tells the world that they can contract on their own. Don't bother applying for child support.
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[palani]

As printed in the New Orleans Republican ... Suppose it is the noise they are complaining about or the diversion of the water?

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[palani]

Now HERE is a nuisance!!! Circa 1866 New Orleans. Their sanitary habits must have improved by now.

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[palani]

Granted .. you don't see reporting like this anymore ... (thank god). New Orleans circa 1866

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[palani]

State declares they are willing to experiment on condemned prisoners. Seems Tesla and Westinghouse did not like the idea of their product being associated with sudden death. [as reported in 1884 Spokane Daily Chronicle ... http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=ddB7do2jUx8C&dat=18841112&printsec=frontpage&hl=en ]

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[palani]

I expect if this were true the time of passage of the moon would be one day rather than one month. If it happened today there would be surfers ready for the challenge.

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[palani]

Now this sounds ominous. I don't know precisely what "broken alive upon the wheel" consists of but I bet the victim was not alive when the process was done.

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[Glass]

http://www.medievality.com/the-wheel.html
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This device was used as a capital punishment during the Middle Ages. Reserved for hated criminals, The Wheel always killed its victim, but did so very slowly.

The Wheel originated in Greece and quickly spread to Germany, France, Russia, England and Sweden. The device consists of a large wooden wheel with many spokes. The victim's limbs were tied to the spokes and the wheel itself was slowly revolved. Through the openings between the spokes, the torturer usually hit the victim with an iron hammer that could easily break the victim's bones. Once his bones were broken, he was left on the wheel to die, sometimes placed on a tall pole so the birds could feed from the still-living human.

In France, many executioners used the coups de grâce, which caused lethal injuries, to make the victim's death faster. When extreme pain was desired, the victim just had his bones broken and left there to die. It could take up to two or three days for him to die of dehydration.

[palani]

At a meeting this weekend one speaker suggested strongly that there had been frequent trade with the Americas prior to Columbus landing. By chance I came across this article which accounts of a red-haired tribe near the Red River in the 1770's that spoke a dialect similar to Welch.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=pKq9KLJfUZEC&dat=17860121&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

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[palani]

I guess if you have a ton of money invested in a road you might as well remind your guests of the fact. Norfolk Herald, June 3, AD1802

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[palani]

When someone else is trying to sell your land you might want to point out some important details to the buyers.

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[palani]

Yummmmy. Who wouldn't want a set of vulcanized rubber false teeth? Well, anyway, they do make the teeth out of gold or silver.

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Just wonder how the old teeth were blasted out with a galvanic battery though.

[palani]

Now here you are, a veteran militia man of the war of 1812, and out comes this notice in 1860 that you might eventually get paid. Just be a little more patient.

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The more things change the more they tend to stay the same.

[palani]

When things are found they aren't yours until you make some effort to find the true owner.

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Antoine Le Claire is a local historical figure. He was French and developed a relationship with the indians. He was trusted to such an extent that the indians signed over to him by treaty 640 acres where Bettendorf, Iowa now is located. I have always been curious whether this land has ever been patented as the government will only patent land that has been ceded to them by treaty.

[palani]

Any guess as to what happened here?
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[palani]

I have worked with a lot of hay both in small square bales and large round ones. I have never heard of "hay screwing". I wonder if this is an Irish thing?

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[Hatha Sunahara]

I'm not sure what hay screwing is. I would assume it is something like taking a hay ride with your sweetie and letting nature take its course? Let me know how far off the mark I am. Not sure how one could make a business from that, other than providing the necessities for hay rides.

Hatha

[Glass]

A roll in the hay. For Favours. The more things change the more they stay the same it seems.

[palani]

These old newspaper articles seem to be reported differently than we see now.

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[palani]

To continue the theme of the previous article ... the publisher apparently didn't see the paradox of the cruel and unusual punishment handed out to poor John Farber.

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Image the effect this article will have on the product of this union 18 years later.

[palani]

Kids .. don't try this at home!!!!

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[palani]

Somehow this 1860's article in a New Orleans newspaper seems timely

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[palani]

As reported in the Keokuk Saturday Post in 1856:

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Government was messed up before the (un)civil war!!!!

[palani]

Guess which one was the most satisfied?

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[palani]

Global warming? Isn't this an indication? As reported in the Township Reformer in 1837.

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Bet these people would have liked some 'global warming'!!!

[palani]

From the Fredericton Telegraph ... 1806 ... the power of the coroner and the coroners inquest.

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Note ... the power of a medical examiner is not commensurate with that of a coroner. The coroner is the sheriff's check and balance.

[Hatha Sunahara]

If a body is found with two bullets in the head, is it the Coroner who decides is was a 'suicide', or do the police and the media ,make that determination?

The public is not obliged to believe anything asserted by either the police, coroners, medical examiners, or any public official for that matter. My point is that publishing something in a public notice does not necessarily make it true. But anything goes in a world where common sense has taken a vacation.


Hatha

[palani]

If a body is found with two bullets in the head, is it the Coroner who decides is was a 'suicide', or do the police and the media ,make that determination? Within the old system of government the coroner made the call. In the new system the medical examiner gets a shot but doesn't appear to be able to form a jury. Therefore the medical examiner is the decider of fact in the new system. At least he has an opinion anyway.

My point is that publishing something in a public notice does not necessarily make it true. But anything goes in a world where common sense has taken a vacation.
The public notice is the start of due process. Anyone who objects might do so within 72 hours or agrees by his silence. Laches and estoppel come into play.

The tail end of due process is the right to inquire. After due process is complete then it is off to a hearing.

That is not to say the black lady in question received her day in court.

[7th trump]

If a body is found with two bullets in the head, is it the Coroner who decides is was a 'suicide', or do the police and the media ,make that determination?

The public is not obliged to believe anything asserted by either the police, coroners, medical examiners, or any public official for that matter. My point is that publishing something in a public notice does not necessarily make it true. But anything goes in a world where common sense has taken a vacation.


Hatha
What I dont understand is why Palani beleives a coronor can form a jury.

Heres a link in understanding the difference.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Medical-Examiner-or-Coroner---Whats-the-Difference?&id=572455

[palani]

What I dont understand is why Palani beleives a coronor can form a jury. This might give you a clue

http://books.google.com/books?id=GC8QAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA865&dq=CORONERS+INQUEST&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RXrpUYryLoH88QSYwIGYDg&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=CORONERS%20INQUEST&f=false

The use of a medical examiner follows the Roman civil law of most of Europe and the rest of the world.

The U.S. and the U.K countries are Common Law. Therein lies the difference.

As previously stated ... the coroner is the check on the powers of the sheriff. Ours is a system of checks and balances. Destroy that balance and destroy the system.

[7th trump]

This might give you a clue

http://books.google.com/books?id=GC8QAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA865&dq=CORONERS+INQUEST&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RXrpUYryLoH88QSYwIGYDg&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=CORONERS%20INQUEST&f=false

The use of a medical examiner follows the Roman civil law of most of Europe and the rest of the world.

The U.S. and the U.K countries are Common Law. Therein lies the difference.

As previously stated ... the coroner is the check on the powers of the sheriff. Ours is a system of checks and balances. Destroy that balance and destroy the system.

All I read is a warrent can be issued by a coroner or justice........it doesnt say a jury is formed.

[palani]

All I read is a warrent can be issued by a coroner or justice........it doesnt say a jury is formed.

Guess you didn't read far enough ...pg 869

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[7th trump]

Guess you didn't read far enough ...pg 869

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Nope,
Try again palani.
All that says is if there is under 6 jurors to witness the body the coronor or even a justice has to get a member of the judicial branch to summons more.
And this is only giving the coronor summoning power for witnesses to a body for cause of death. The coronor doesnt have any judicial power beyond getting 6 witnesses for a body.

And what does the coroners power of getting 6 witnesses (jurors) for determining the cause of death have to do with legal notice?
There is no conspiracy palani!

[palani]

what does the coroners power of getting 6 witnesses (jurors) for determining the cause of death have to do with legal notice?
YOU are one who initiated this thread drift.

STOP IT NOW!

[palani]

As appearing in the Keokuk Saturday Post Dec 6, 1856

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[palani]

Appearing in the Virginia Gazette July 7, 1774

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[palani]

Virginia Gazette Oct 13, 1774

Those free Man's seem to have always been a problem

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[palani]

A quick way to separate the wheat from the chaff and clear debts that are fictional. From Coshocton Age May 4, 1826


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[palani]

From The Coshocton Age circa 1830 .... some fairly accurate definitions

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[Glass]

A quick way to separate the wheat from the chaff and clear debts that are fictional. From Coshocton Age May 4, 1826


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interesing. I cannot see the image in the original post so I was going to quote reply : ?

But when I quote, I can see the image. Strange. Maybe it was added/edited in between me loading the page and clicking reply?

[palani]

i when I quote, I can see the image. Strange. Maybe it was added/edited in between me loading the page and clicking reply?
Nope. Loaded it once and didn't touch it again. Maybe the url was temporarily unavailable.

[palani]

And for anyone interested in what a police state actually looks like ... here is an accurate description courtesy the State of Maryland as published in the Star and Republic Banner, April 10, 1832.

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[Hatha Sunahara]

Thank God we don't have to deal with issues of actual real slavery today. It's hard enough to deal with issues of debt slavery and perpetual war.


Hatha

[7th trump]

Thank God we don't have to deal with issues of actual real slavery today. It's hard enough to deal with issues of debt slavery and perpetual war.


Hatha

A no trespass sign on your property is also a legal notice as is a McDonalds sign saying the coffee is hot.
A slippery when wet sign is also a legal notice.

Big freaken deal!!!

[palani]

Thank God we don't have to deal with issues of actual real slavery today. It's hard enough to deal with issues of debt slavery and perpetual war.


Hatha

Prohibiting the immigration of free negro .... an employer hiring an undocumented alien will be charged.

It shall be unlawful to import any slave ... why can't I purchase a diesel Subaru? Both are considered 'things'.

No free negro or mulatto shall carry a fire lock without license ... nobody can purchase a firearm without permission.

No free negro or slave to attend religious ceremony without a white minister ... 501(c)(3) licensed churches ... need I say more?

Free negro to be punished as slave ... slaves don't get due process do they?

Neither free negro or slave can sell without magistrate permission ... And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

If you were to consider YOURSELF a free negro then how many of these prohibitions are still present? And you don't even have to be black to see the similarities.

[palani]

Big freaken deal!!!
Isn't it though?

[7th trump]

Prohibiting the immigration of free negro .... an employer hiring an undocumented alien will be charged.

It shall be unlawful to import any slave ... why can't I purchase a diesel Subaru? Both are considered 'things'.

No free negro or mulatto shall carry a fire lock without license ... nobody can purchase a firearm without permission.

No free negro or slave to attend religious ceremony without a white minister ... 501(c)(3) licensed churches ... need I say more?

Free negro to be punished as slave ... slaves don't get due process do they?

Neither free negro or slave can sell without magistrate permission ... And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

If you were to consider YOURSELF a free negro then how many of these prohibitions are still present? And you don't even have to be black to see the similarities.
Well palani....since you are still considered a political "US citizen" that makes you, a white man, on the same legal plane as all the free negro's.
The similarities.........civil rights!

But you refuse to see what makes any white American a free negro "US citizen".
All a free negro is....is a "US citizen".
Theres only one way for a white man to become an equal to the lesser "free negro".

Whats the one thing a white man needs to disclose to gain the privileges of a "free negro"?

You need one to apply for a drivers license.
You need one to apply for a marriage license.
You need one to apply for government assistance.
You need one to file tax forms.
You need one to work for "wages".
You need one to be "employed".

[7th trump]

Isn't it though?

No, a legal notice is not much of a big deal as what makes "The People" an equal to the lesser free negro "US citizen".....this is why you fail to teach anyone.....anything of any importance.
This is why mountain man lost in court and was charged with fishing without a license.
This is why you cling to ridicules pet theories such as "lawful money" and 12usc 411.
This is why you deal under the table to skirt paying taxes when all you have to do is stop participating in Social Security....which is legally legal.

This is why I correct you all the time because you send people down a prime rose path of financial destruction.
A legal notice will not stop any authority to prosecute what you volunteered into.....this legal notice theory of your is a fallacy.
Ask any tax protester who's spent time in the slammer because he thought a legal notice attached to a 1040 would render a full refund, stop the government from collecting or stop any prosecution action.............its doesn't and never has!

[palani]

that makes you, a white man, on the same legal plane as all the free negro's
Are you making any assumptions here?

[palani]

I correct you all the time because you send people down a prime rose path of financial destruction. Aren't YOU the one using the fake money?

[7th trump]

Aren't YOU the one using the fake money?

Money.......fake, legal or not makes no difference in determining if you are a "US citizen" or one of the People.

Please tell me how fake money puts me in the same plane as the free negro?

The 14th amendment was ratified 45 years before the federal reserve Act.
The 14th introduced a second class of citizen having rights procured by the government (civil rights act of 1866) separate from the Bill of Rights.
Show me one...just one(1) court case, you fool, where having money in your pocket makes anyone a second class "US citizen".
Show "anything" in support of your foolish asinine fake money theory you twit.

[palani]

Show "anything" in support of your foolish asinine fake money theory
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[7th trump]

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I see you make your internet arm chair lawyer website merry-go-rounds.
This was circulated around the internet a few years ago and didn't amount to anything of any importance. Someone over at merrills site posted this in support of lawful money which couldn't muster a proper argument.....it soon faded. Kind of like a mosquito flying into a flame.....it gets bright then fizzles out.

Doesn't support your foolish lawful money premise palani.....please try again fool!
This time try using something that relates to the United States justice system so the people here can relate and document it.

Yes, its something you don't do very much, but can you please do a little research on the subject instead of posting something I highly doubt you looked into?

[Hypertiger]

People have no power to make or break LAW

All that people have the power to do is make and break rules and call rules LAW

But if a rule attempts to break LAW

LAW will break the rule.

You can manipulate the Universe however you desire as long as you do not attempt to break LAW or get caught breaking a rule.

Just ask a Hells Angel the next time you see one wandering around pretending they are innocent until proven guilty

Ignorant until proven knowledgeable

Irresponsible until proven responsible

[palani]

please do a little research on the subject instead of posting something I highly doubt you looked into?

Part of your disease is that you think you may substitute rhetoric for logic. At any rate this thread is about LEGAL NOTICES and nothing more. Please try to stay on topic.

[palani]

People have no power to make or break LAW

The maxim is NECESSITY IMPORTS PRIVILEGE.

Necessity also imports equity. Equity is not law but rather is opposed to law.

[7th trump]

Part of your disease is that you think you may substitute rhetoric for logic. At any rate this thread is about LEGAL NOTICES and nothing more. Please try to stay on topic.

Ohhh.....so why didn't you respond the first time saying to stay on topic rather than responding to my post?
Your action of responding null and voids your request to stay on topic.
By responding to my post you agree'd to engage in my request.....you cant have it both ways!

I get it.....when you are backed into a corner when asked to confirm your premise to see if its fact or fiction you pull out your bag of tricks and deflect the request.
So are you going to procure evidence to back your premise as based in "law" (legality) or remain silent rendering your premise as whacky and untrustworthy (tin foil hat stuff)?
Which is it palani?

[palani]

Ohhh.....so why didn't you respond the first time saying to stay on topic rather than responding to my post?

Stop being a pest. If you have a topic you want to discuss open your own thread.

[palani]

From the Clinton Mirror of Aug 15, 1854 .... how to increase the 'capital' of your nation. Suppose this is why the borders are open?

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[palani]

This just in ... circa 1854 ... how California was named

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[palani]

As reported in the Dubuque Herald Jan 5, 1866 ...

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Would this seem to say "If you don't enter into a labor contract you will be transported out of state"? No coercion here I would guess (sarc).

Maybe they were just not used to how 'freedom' actually works?

Also ... heard that Hawaii was performing the same service for the homeless .. donating a one way ticket to California.

[palani]

June, 1837 177 years ago

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June. Note that this was the previous years corn. Being shipped into Iowa at Du Buque. By steam boat.

Hard to believe such a small amount of corn would require a legal notice to possible purchasers. Here is how corn is handled now:

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[palani]

From the mouth of a Hoosier politician .. some measure of truth .. circa 11 August 1832 Bangor Daily Whig and Courier .... don't miss the substantial part

I pledge myself, if elected, to regulate and render entirely quiscent, the legal and natural currency of the country, namely coonskins.

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[Buddha]

Do you eat BLTs 7th?

[palani]

1868 Brooklyn? I don't think they celebrated St Patrick's Day at this household.

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[Glass]

I think I might be missing some parts of your posts palani. A couple of images not linked or something maybe?

[palani]

Possibly the image server has problems with Australian requests? Do any images show up at all? That last one is located here

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try opening it in a new window of your browser.

If there are any you are really interested in let me know the post number and I will get the urls and post them.

[Glass]

ok just the last one is not showing up now but the link works.

I think you are right. They probably don't.

[ziero0]

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As the California situation existed in 1852