OK, WTF did I do to my knee

[General of Darkness]

And it's not the knee it's behind it where the muscles and ten-dints(sp.) are.

So here's what happened, on the way home from training in 100+ heat I stopped at the base of the grapevine to get diesel and to give the dogs some water etc. I'm in the bed of the truck to give Shelby some water and I was on my knees and I felt a cramp in my right knee, I straightened it out and it hurt like shit. So I finish up what I'm doing and get back in the truck and spend 90 minutes driving the rest of the way home.

I wasn't in any pain at all on the way home, but once I got out of the truck I was like WTF. On a scale of 1 - 10 I was at about a 3. But as the night went on, it increased.

Right now, just trying to bend my knee or put any weight on it is about an 8 and to walk on it, I can't have my foot straight it feels better to point it outward.

Hopefully Mamboni chimes in, other than taking some Aspirin and iceing it last night I haven't done anything else. I'm going to get some anti-inflamatories in a bit but what else should I do?
So, with all the brain power on here, what are your thoughts? And no, I'm not going to put myself down. :)

Thanks

[Libertytree]

Any swelling? Does it feel warm to the touch or red? I think getting Ibuprofens is a good idea.

[General of Darkness]

Any swelling? Does it feel warm to the touch or red? I think getting Ibuprofens is a good idea.

Minor swelling, it's as warm as the other knee.

[mamboni]

Could be a lot of things. I'd have to examine you. My guess is that you pulled a hamstring when you got up from the kneeling position. Or, you have DJD behind the patella and you aggravated it when you were kneeling in the truck bed. Driving shouldn't be a problem but if you try to flex the knee you will see stars. Whatever it is it is not an emergency. You have nothing to lose by:

1. Keep the knee elevated above the heart and in a comfortable posture
2. alternate cold- and hot-presses to the back of knee, 30 minutes each or whatever feels good
3. take aspirin, motrin or similar every 4 hours
4. give it 24 hours to improve.

After 24 hours, if there is no improvement, you may have torn a hamstring or torn a meniscus. You will need to see an orthopod.

I hope it resolves itself.

[k-os]

I hope your knee feels better soon, GoD.

[Katmandu]

After 24 hours, if there is no improvement, you may have torn a hamstring or torn a meniscus. You will need to see an orthopod.


Some time ago I tore the miniscus in my knee and it prevented me from straightening out my leg. The tear happened when my knee was in a folded position (kind of like a squat) and there was not any appreciable pain when the tear happened, but I did definitely know that something went wrong. The pain was not too bad right after it happened, and I was able to walk without too much pain over to a chair.

But within an hour or two, the pain increased to where I could not put much weight on the knee. I found out later that the cartilage from the meniscus had torn and folded over, preventing the knee from straightening out.

Hopefully what you have is nothing this serious, but if it does not start to get better over the next day or two, you may have to go see an orthopedic, as mamboni says.

[milehi]

It could be a torn meniscus or a tear in the ACL. Make a call in the morning and get an MRI. Have the problem addressed immediatly. You dont want to be in a emergency situation with a fucked up knee and not be able to move quick. Southern California is a hotbed for orthopods. Everyone comes here for joint replacement; from every country with socialized medicine. Take care and stay on the ice.

[gunDriller]

since it doesn't sound like you were tackled by Lawrence Taylor or anything, i wonder if it's the combination of inactivity (sitting & driving) and activity.

last year i had a 4 day drive, followed by a 2 mile swim where i pushed myself, especially on the kickboard.

after the swim i was blown away, i was crawling because i couldn't walk. seemed like it had to be major.

24 hours later, i was OK.

i would kick back & rest it and enjoy the excuse to drink beer.

[Katmandu]

Some time ago I tore the miniscus in my knee and it prevented me from straightening out my leg. The tear happened when my knee was in a folded position (kind of like a squat) and there was not any appreciable pain when the tear happened, but I did definitely know that something went wrong. The pain was not too bad right after it happened, and I was able to walk without too much pain over to a chair.

But within an hour or two, the pain increased to where I could not put much weight on the knee. I found out later that the cartilage from the meniscus had torn and folded over, preventing the knee from straightening out.

Hopefully what you have is nothing this serious, but if it does not start to get better over the next day or two, you may have to go see an orthopedic, as mamboni says.

Forgot to mention that surgery was required to correct the problem, to clean up the tear and remove the part that was folded over.

[Skirnir_]

It could be worse:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDfxde8fSg

[Cebu_4_2]

Go see a chiropractor tomorrow, he can xray it and tell you whats going on. Here the local guy only charges 20 bux to xray things. I had a few similar situations and one my knee kept getting worse, like you experienced. What I noticed was when I drove my leg was in a certain position that was aggravating it and causing the whole problem. Was real hard to change the habit of having my leg in that position resting against the console but I remained conscious of it, moved the seat to different positions until my leg no longer was aggravating my knee.

[Shami-Amourae]

It could be worse:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDfxde8fSg

Skyrim...

*Drools*



Joking aside, maybe try Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar?
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/knees.html#ACV

Here's a bunch of alternative cures for knee problems. Apple Cider Vinegar comes up as #1 (as usual.)

Tumeric, kelp, and ginger are also a really useful anti-inflammatories. You can get all in capsule/tablet form for very cheap. You should be taking kelp everyday anyways for radiation protection and thyroid health. It also helps block fluoride absorption naturally.

[hoarder]

I tore the meniscus in both knees over the last decade. I did not have surgery and both healed fine, although one took over a year. I know many people who had surgery for torn meniscuses (and other knee problems) and most were not at all successful.
Arthoscopy is like SCUBA diving in water so murky you can't see your hand unless you press it against your face mask.
I wouldn't get knee surgery until exausting every other avenue. GLTU.


http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp05005.htm

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Hi, this is Noc's girlfriend. I'm a massage therapist, and if you came to see me with that story, I would start working on you beginning with this assumption:

You may have inflamed the bursa kneeling on the hot truck bed, which could have caused a cramp or swelling in popliteus (a little stabilizer muscle that is easily strained when you're kneeling and there's any kind of extreme temperature), leading to the cramp in your lower leg. Then driving for 90 minutes would aggravate that lower leg/knee musculature that connects behind the knee and is controlled by the nerve that runs--you guessed it--behind your knee.

To relieve it, work to reduce tension in your hamstring connections as well as your gastrocnemius and soleus connections at the knee, put ice on the back of your knee for no more than 15 minutes of any given hour, suggest that you take some NSAIDs and keep it elevated, and do some slow and easy stretching. You could loop a belt around your foot and gently pull back until you feel a little tug in the back of your lower leg, (hamstring stretch) take three breaths, then ease off and relax for another three breaths. Repeat a few times, and see if you can get some of that mobility back (and move out of that foot-pointing-only mode!). If you're into topical analgesics, I love Golden Tiger, and they offer free samples on their website. It works really well. Good luck!










[The Nocturnal Egyptian speaking again] Just remember that you can relieve pressure on the knee by massaging the muscles that attach near it. Massage your quads, hamstrings, your glutes and calves. All of these connect near the knee so easing tension on them will lessen any pulling in the knee. And that goldentiger stuff is pretty much the best topical painkiller I've ever tried. http://www.goldentigerusa.com/samples.php

Also dude you could just go see a massage therapist. I go all the time, it helps a lot. If you need me to recommend someone, I have lots of really good people in southern California for that. When you pull or strain a muscle, the other muscles get really sore from compensating for the strained muscle.

[Gaillo]

Hey, man...

Get better soon, I hear your dick stabbing skills are severely impaired when knee injuries happen! ;D

[gunDriller]

Hey, man...

Get better soon, I hear your dick stabbing skills are severely impaired when knee injuries happen! ;D

yeah, what happens if you find some 1000 ounce bars by the side of the road ? :)

[Serpo]

(http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/tendonitis.htm)http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/tendonitis.htm
(http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/tendonitis.htm)

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[mamboni]

Once you have recuperated, you should make a periodic pilgrimage to Africa, where the knee grows.

[gunDriller]

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/figures/A00221F02.jpg

looks complicated.

maybe someday Home Depot will be selling them.

[mamboni]

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/figures/A00221F02.jpg

looks complicated.

maybe someday Home Depot will be selling them.

Complicated? LOL. That drawing is vastly simplified. I've dissected knees and the beauty and complexity of their design and construction is something to behold. They are so well balanced that the slightlest perturbation of the smallest parts, be they the menisci, cruciates or the cartilage cause all kinds of problems.

[k-os]

How is your knee feeling now? Any better?

[Old Herb Lady]

Shoot yourself in the foot & you'll forget all about your knee. :p

just kidding General !


Hope your knee feels better....there's ALOT u can do naturally, i've helped people fix their horribly damaged joints,
but it takes work of course......actually here's an awesome herbal formula that drastically speeds up the healing process......

http://www.herballegacy.com/Complete_Tissue.html
http://cleanse-nourish-heal.org/descriptionsformulas/completetissueboneformula.html


Also, inadequate water intake is what causes alot of/most of our joint issues as we get older. (just not information we are told )

Herniated discs especially.

[hoarder]

Joints are slow to heal because there aren't many blood vessels in them. One thing that seemed to help me is infrared. I have a far infrared sauna, but if you don't want to buy one you could simply get an emitter and wire 120 volts to it and mount it under your desk.

http://www.farinfraredanswers.com/fir/custom-sauna-kits/pid-243.html You can buy just one 163 watt emitter without the housing for less than $40. Zap your knee twice a day for 20 minutes. That will increase blood flow and make it heal a little faster.

[gunDriller]

Joints are slow to heal because there aren't many blood vessels in them.

i always wondered if there were foods you could eat or other processes (prayer ?) that could be used to promote vascularity (creation of blood vessels) in areas that are a-vascular, e.g. collagen in the knee or the human cornea.

[Old Herb Lady]

i always wondered if there were foods you could eat or other processes (prayer ?) that could be used to promote vascularity (creation of blood vessels) in areas that are a-vascular, e.g. collagen in the knee or the human cornea.

You can ABSOLUTELY 100% WITHOUT A DOUBT get blood to the sick/injured/diseased in ANY AREA OF THE BODY.
You can rebuild an injured knee, any joint really, make new skin, get nutrients to the corneas, (get rid of cataracts too)
rebuild a heart or a liver or kidneys thats ready for a transplant or death,
if the blood vessels are broken and not supplying blood/oxygen/ nutrients then the body KNOWS HOW to make new blood vessels if it is given what it needs.

If a sick area of the body doesn't have much blood vessels like a joint then you put massive super nutrition into the body via the mouth
to get the blood moving like never before to get it where it needs to go.

I have had orthopedic surgeons tell their patients (with or without surgery) especially after fractures or other injuries.......
"Well i don't know what you're doing.....I've never seen this in my career.....but keep doing whatever you're doing because you're healing remarkably
and I never expected your injury to heal so fast "

I'll post later on how to get the blood moving to wherever you need it to go to later tonight. It's so simple, it's stupid, but it takes WORK.
Natural Healing takes WORK.

[Katmandu]

Shoot yourself in the foot & you'll forget all about your knee. :p

just kidding General !


Hope your knee feels better....there's ALOT u can do naturally, i've helped people fix their horribly damaged joints,
but it takes work of course......actually here's an awesome herbal formula that drastically speeds up the healing process......

http://www.herballegacy.com/Complete_Tissue.html
http://cleanse-nourish-heal.org/descriptionsformulas/completetissueboneformula.html


Also, inadequate water intake is what causes alot of/most of our joint issues as we get older. (just not information we are told )

Herniated discs especially.

Excellent! Dr. Christopher also sells a topical ointment form of Complete Tissue and Bone that works wonderfully.

[General of Darkness]

How is your knee feeling now? Any better?

Thanks for asking. I went to the Chiropractor this afternoon and my fibula was just a little out of whack. He got it back to where it should be which hurt like hell and I should be ready to rock tomorrow.

FYI folks I've had so much good luck with this Chiropractor it's amazing. With dog training etc, I tend to screw myself up from time to time. As an example, I had "tennis" elbow and was miserable for about 2 weeks and decided to go to my chiropractor to give him a wack at it. Well hells bells, within 2 minutes he had the bones in my elbow exactly where they SHOULD be and I was as right as rain. So it's my contention that a good chiropractor is a great way to get things fixed.

[Old Herb Lady]

Glad you're doing better ! Chiropractors are all natural healers ! Awesome ! That's who we've been going to since the car accident (& before that too).
Does your chiropractor sell any herbs ? Just wondering. Alot of them do. They know how good they work.



Sorry if I derailed your thread General, but I just want to explain a little more about healing an injury or sickness in the body if that's ok ?

Blood circulation : You can take all the herbs in the world, but if you have bad blood circulation it's a waste of time.
Most people have blood that is akin to old yucky sludgey thick motor oil .
You have to get the blood healthy first to fix the malady .

To get blood circulating good everywhere and especially to the sick/injured area.....
CAYENNE PEPPER. Cayenne moves blood like right NOW. I know its benefits have been discussed on here many times, tho.....

I don't mean take a few capsules and wait for the capsules to open in your stomach & double you over in pain, like you just swallowed a firecracker,
I mean the good stuff....
Drinking cayenne pepper in tea form. ( One teaspoon per cup ).It has to be warm tea...the warm tea helps open up the cell structure, makes it expand & absorb it.
Also, It is the only way to get your stomach used to it before it goes down because your stomach will start to produce the gastric juices needed at once because your stomach knows its in your mouth. You can make the tea from a tincture or from cayenne powder but only
if you know the source is 100% reliable. Some junk companies add paprika to their cayenne powder & you're not getting the goods.
Taking cayenne in capsules is a sloww acting way of taking it & disconnects you from the healing capabilities that it has.
If you start out slow with it in tea form and get used to it then you can gradually build yourself up to be able to take more.
Your face turns red & you will really FEEL IT !! If anybody is having a heart attack make them drink some cayenne pepper tea to stop the heart attack, it feeds the heart IMMEDIATELY.
Buy a tincture & keep it handy and the powdered cayenne. It is a lifesaver. If someone is bleeding profusely , put the cayenne powder on that wound to STOP the bleeding immediately.


So now you've got healthy blood and good circulation because the cayenne equalizes the blood pressure from the top of the head to the tips of your toes.
Cayenne is also a catalyst-- meaning that it will make any other herb that you take work STRONGER & HARDER in your body to heal you.

So lets say you have a torn up knee, for example, there are specific herbs that are phenomenol for rebuilding damaged joints ( in the link in post #22) that can NOW GET to that knee much, much easier.

Next hydrotherapy--water therapy--putting hot & cold on the knee. "HOT & COLD Water Therapy can bring about BETTER Circulation, because the HOT Water STIMULATES Blood Flow to the SURFACE of the Body, while the COLD Water STIMULATES Blood Flow to the CORE of the Body, thus bringing FRESH Blood to the Organs and Glands and ALL parts of the Body! In other words, OXYGEN & NUTRIENTS IN + TOXINS & PATHOGENS OUT! " quote from Dr Richard Schulze of course !


Keep repeating for about 15-20 minutes. Does it feel good ? No. Does it work ? yes !

So you've had 1.) cleaner blood, 2.) thinner blood 3.) excellent blood circulation, 3.) hydrotherapy

Next you have to consume the herbs & apply the herbs topically to the injured/sick area. It's called a fomentation. Different herbs work in specific areas of the body.

There's a TON more , but this is just a simple basic start to get that blood moving & start healing .
Adding cayenne to your diet every day--either liquid or powder form (not capsules) is the number one best health insurance.

Gundriller...in addition to this you can do an eyewash that has cayenne in it. WHEW, I know, who on earth would EVER put anything in their eyes with cayenne ??
It works and here is more info. yes its uncomfortable, buy it WILL increase circulation to the cornea FAST/immediately.
http://www.herballegacy.com/Herbal_Eyebright.html

I could go on all night, I'm not pushing any of these products whatsoever, There are lots other companies who have copycat formulas that work just as good,
but I only learned from the best of the best & nothing else is acceptable so thats why you'll always see me posting alot of his formulas over anyone else's most of
the time .

PS. do not take cayenne or ANY herbs at/around the same time as medications. The cayenne especially will make them work stronger/ harder and can hurt you !!



Disclaimer

This post is a source of information only.
It is not meant to prevent, treat, cure any of your problems.
i am not a medical doctor and am not acting as such.
please do your own DD .


http://healthfree.com/newsletters-86-b_Dr.+Christopher+on+Healing+with+Cayenne.html

http://www.whale.to/a/cayenne.html