About my land taxes.......by Ponce

[Ponce]

I have learned many things while waiting to get my land patent in another 36 days and on the same day that I get it I will walk into the tax man office and give him the papers that says that I no longer will pay taxes on my land...part of the taxes that I pay goes to the fire department so that I will make a personal check for that ammount and give it to them, forget about the Sheriff Department and schools.

Now then, the taxes for the building on your property is collected by the Department of the Interior...and guess where those taxes goes to..............................TO THE FREAKING IMF........or......International Monetary Fund, I already wrote to the Department of the Interior on the 9 of this month to find out what portion of that tax is mine so that I can pay it off outright and that way I won't have taxes of any kind on my property.

But for Texas EVERYONE IN THE USA already has a patent on their land and all that you have to do is to renovated as I am doing.......even if you are still paying for your home you can still get a patent for the land because the land is never sold but only is transfered to the new occupier of the home...in other words...no one owns the land untill you get a patent on it. Once you get the patent it would be then VERY HARD for you to loose your home because in order to loose it the coat and tie have to walk on it and you can then arrest them for treaspassing.......believe it or not.

I know that the above sounds kind of weird but it is so, for the past several weeks I have been instructing myself into all this info and the more that I learn the more that I know that we are getting F**K.

So remember, you already have a patent on your land and all that you have to do it is to renovated it.

Any questions?.....please ask......I am here to help.

[mamboni]

Ponce:

Thanks for posting this. Can you recommend any webs sites that explain how one can secure a patent on his land?

[Hatha Sunahara]

Hey Mambo! If you do a google search on Land Patents or Allodial Title, the one expert that pops up everywhere is Augustus Blackstone, who revived and revised a book by Joe Stevens called The Final Solution To Property Taxes. You can read it or download it--just click here:

http://www.freedom-school.com/land_patents-allodial_title.pdf

Blackstone is an outstanding writer. He wrote another book called The Errant Sovereign, which covers a few more topics and some clever legal tricks.

Here's a different source:

http://www.teamlaw.org/PatentHowTo.htm


Hatha

[palani]

I will walk into the tax man office and give him the papers that says that I no longer will pay taxes on my land.
Dishonoring a tax bill always leads to bad results without fail.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Palani, I think he's referring to a Quitclaim Deed.

There is an excellent set of instructions on how to do this in Blackstone's Errant Sovereign Book http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/sovereignty/errant-sovereign-handbook.pdf.

It starts on P. 67 and goes through P. 74.

You have to 'de-register' yourself from the voting rolls before you can do that. That process he describes in an earlier chapter.


Hatha

[Neuro]

Ponce are you sure you would get the patent to the land?

[Ponce]

Those sites in the internet are good info.....but......that's it, info.

Once I had all the necessaries info it took me only two hours to type all that was needed....... you want to save money and not put out more of it to get the info......pm me with your name and address and I will send you a kit (no charge).

Palani, in the beginning there was no tax and those rights were taken away without anyone taking notice, all that you (me) is doing is to reclaim those rights as signed and delivered by the president of the US.

[palani]

Palani, in the beginning there was no tax and those rights were taken away without anyone taking notice, all that you (me) is doing is to reclaim those rights as signed and delivered by the president of the US.

Not disputing you have a worthwhile goal. Just if you receive a tax bill the worst thing you can do is tell 'em you aren't paying it. There are other ways to skin a tiger that leaves both your hide and it's intact.

[7th trump]

Palani, I think he's referring to a Quitclaim Deed.

There is an excellent set of instructions on how to do this in Blackstone's Errant Sovereign Book http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/sovereignty/errant-sovereign-handbook.pdf.

It starts on P. 67 and goes through P. 74.

You have to 'de-register' yourself from the voting rolls before you can do that. That process he describes in an earlier chapter.


Hatha
I wasnt going to say anything and just let Ponce find out for himself.

Hatha you somewhat hit the nail on the head with your statement of "de-register" yourself.

Property taxes are based on the property being registered with the county assessors office.
Ponce thinks hes going get tax free property with this "land patent" thingy.
He wont have any success and I'm not being negative about this.
Ponce has to get the property off the county register before the property taxes stop.
Last I heard land patents will not get the job done of getting property off the assessors register.
You can have all the land patents your heart desires, but until the property is "unregistered" the tax bill will continue to come in the mail.

[palani]

Turns out the county treasurer in my county is going to get a nice letter from me in the next couple days. I have disputed in the past that he has the authority to set a value on property I control. In spite of this he has seen fit to increase the value by 25% against my will. I am conditionally accepting the tax assessment based upon several terms and conditions. He has to be able to show me where his authority to set the value comes from. He agrees to account for my payment to him in lawful money as directed by the 1866 Iowa legislature. He agrees to provide me with reasonable access to his account book. He agrees to timely responses to my inquiries. He agrees that failure to comply with any of these terms shall result in the removal of the property from the tax rolls of "this state".

I intend paying him with a check for lawful money per 12 USC 411 and plan on affixing a $1 Fox stamp on the letter for consideration.

The 1866 law directed that county treasurers account for specie (aka lawful money) separate from paper.

[Ponce]

One more time......12 land owners in this area ALLREADY got their patent and I will be next.....stopped today at the recorder office and showed him my paper work plus the one for the tax man and he says that all looks like the ones already recorded..........MONEY TALK BULLSHuT WALKS.....on the night of Oct the 8th I will post that I have it in my hands and then you "experts" will be able to put it where the sun doesn't shine (with all due respect...of course)

When you buy a property you are not buying the land, only transfering the rights to pay the taxes to you......no one owns land unless it has a patent.....all lands have a patent but they will lie to you (of don't know any better) so that you won't apply for it.

[palani]

Question ... have you gone through the chain of title to verify that there have been no intervening sheriff sales for tax liens since the patent was first issued? If there is such an interruption in the chain of title then you aren't part of that chain. If this is the case you can have as many certified copies of the land patent as you can buy from the BLM. It just won't apply to you because you have chosen COLOR OF TITLE.

[7th trump]

Turns out the county treasurer in my county is going to get a nice letter from me in the next couple days. I have disputed in the past that he has the authority to set a value on property I control. In spite of this he has seen fit to increase the value by 25% against my will. I am conditionally accepting the tax assessment based upon several terms and conditions. He has to be able to show me where his authority to set the value comes from. He agrees to account for my payment to him in lawful money as directed by the 1866 Iowa legislature. He agrees to provide me with reasonable access to his account book. He agrees to timely responses to my inquiries. He agrees that failure to comply with any of these terms shall result in the removal of the property from the tax rolls of "this state".

I intend paying him with a check for lawful money per 12 USC 411 and plan on affixing a $1 Fox stamp on the letter for consideration.

The 1866 law directed that county treasurers account for specie (aka lawful money) separate from paper.
I can tell you right now palani the treasurer is going to cite an Iowa statute that you can follow all the way to federal statutes that give authority.
I did this with the Scott county assessors office. And heck they even give you a pamphlet already having the Iowa statute on the front page.

Lawful money isnt going to stop the property tax imposition.
You have to get the property off the assessors registery......period!
You can pay in any medium....horses and mulls if you like......or even fertilizer from the horses and mulls.
As for your "lawful money" theory....go to quatloos.com and read the court cites that have popped up that Merrill has supplied these quatloos goons, to argue his beleif, and read what they have found in those cases that Merrill doesnt mention.
David Merrill Vanpelt is exactly what the courts have deemed him............INCOMPETENT!
Lawful money is what ever Congress says it is by virtue of the US Constitution and the courts have repeatedly stated that fiat reserve notes are another form of lawful money, specie, as treasurey issued gold and silver coins are.

[7th trump]

One more time......12 land owners in this area ALLREADY got their patent and I will be next.....stopped today at the recorder office and showed him my paper work plus the one for the tax man and he says that all looks like the ones already recorded..........MONEY TALK BULLSHuT WALKS.....on the night of Oct the 8th I will post that I have it in my hands and then you "experts" will be able to put it where the sun doesn't shine (with all due respect...of course)

When you buy a property you are not buying the land, only transfering the rights to pay the taxes to you......no one owns land unless it has a patent.....all lands have a patent but they will lie to you (of don't know any better) so that you won't apply for it.
Land patents dont mean shyt Ponce (all do respect).
If the property, regardless of who owns it or how, is recorded in the assessors property tax registery the property tax imposition will remain and continue!

[Ponce]

You two know who you are...the kits is going out tomorrow.......no charge, need any help with it then pm me.

Palani? yes there was, it was the third sale but it has a book and page number when it was sold and that's what they are going by. The county recorder and I became friends and today he took a look at my paper work and found all in order.

7th? like I said before.....allready have 12 land owners with their patent on hand and they are the ones that helped me get mine right. You are now talking and thinking like they want you to do and that's because they don't want you to know the truth of the matter.......in 35 days you will see my truth.

[jbeck57143]

Ponce,

Does that mean those 12 other land owners are no longer paying property taxes?

[palani]

I can tell you right now palani the treasurer is going to cite an Iowa statute that you can follow all the way to federal statutes that give authority.
Shucks, and all I have to go by is a treaty that says


The inhabitants of the ceded territory shall be incorporated in the Union of the United States and admitted as soon as possible according to the principles of the federal Constitution to the enjoyment of all these rights, advantages and immunities of citizens of the United States, and in the mean time they shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty, property and the Religion which they profess.


the courts have repeatedly stated that fiat reserve notes are another form of lawful money, specie, as treasurey issued gold and silver coins are.
I would not dispute this with you. As a matter of fact what you have printed is what I have been stating all along. Specie is a subset of lawful money but not the entire category. Lawful money bears no usury. The usury is what is forbidden. There is no reason that a FRN needs to bear interest or other obligation so, to the extent that it has not other obligations, then an FRN is lawful money IF YOU ASK FOR LAWFUL MONEY AND AN FRN IS WHAT YOU RECEIVED.

[palani]

Palani? yes there was, it was the third sale but it has a book and page number when it was sold and that's what they are going by.

Ok. I expect the State would probably view their actions in the most favorable light. Should a dispute come up with the heirs of the owner prior to the tax lien event your color of title would most probably not win in a court of law over their actual title. Title and possession can be separated for a very long time and eventually come back together.

[7th trump]

Shucks, and all I have to go by is a treaty that says




I would not dispute this with you. As a matter of fact what you have printed is what I have been stating all along. Specie is a subset of lawful money but not the entire category. Lawful money bears no usury. The usury is what is forbidden. There is no reason that a FRN needs to bear interest or other obligation so, to the extent that it has not other obligations, then an FRN is lawful money IF YOU ASK FOR LAWFUL MONEY AND AN FRN IS WHAT YOU RECEIVED.
Well Palani you arent in a territory now are you, in fact, you arent even politically considered in the union state Iowa, but rather reside in the federal overlay state of "the state of Iowa".
Land patents wont stop or nullify you being politically in the overlay state of iowa.
The difference is "political" not "geography".Land patents are geographical......not political!
Like I say you can have all the land patents (geography) you want, but if the property is registered in the county assessors books (political) the propert tax will be intact and imposed.

Usury has nothing at all to do with lawful money or private credit and lawful money and private credit have nothing at all to do with usury.
That is another one of David Vanpelts fruitloop theories you are so attached to.
Fiat reserve notes have been around since 1913 and until 1940 most Americans werent required to file a 1040....and the IRS says they didnt file until they applied and worked earning 3121(a) "wages" in respect to 3121(b) "employment".
History proves this as well as the law proves it.

[palani]

Usury has nothing at all to do with lawful money

You really don't have a clue as to the difference between legal and lawful do you?

So perhaps you would like to describe your successes in the realm of property tax abatement?

[7th trump]

You really don't have a clue as to the difference between legal and lawful do you?

So perhaps you would like to describe your successes in the realm of property tax abatement?
You havent provided any evidence usury has anything to do with legal and or lawful Palani.
So far all you have said Palani is your "hearsay" opinion based on someone elses opinionated interpretation.
"Hearsay" as you and I both know doesnt do very well in court as proof.
Any success in abatement of property taxes is going to pivot on getting the property off the county tax assessors registery.
This means you are going to have to understand what got the property on the assessors registery in the first place.
This means having to go to the state statutes which lead you to the federal level........federal statutes.
When or if you decide to do some real research you are going to find it revolves around a particular 2nd class, 14th amendment citizenship (political rhelm) and not some land patent.
As far history and law is concerned nobody but the white caucasion class can own land outright.
This is why there are statutes such as 42usc 1983 on the books that are still in existence today.

[Ponce]

Ponce,

Does that mean those 12 other land owners are no longer paying property taxes?

That is right and is a PROVENT fact, they no longer pay land tax but only "improvement" tax.....that something that I will remedy pretty soon.

Four kits of "how to" went out today, the one that asked for today will go out in about three days no need to payme anything....the one that wanted it in his email? cannot do it because is has to go in a certain order which I can only do it by slow snail (mail)

Remember folks that I am not an attorney but only using the model that did work for me....it should be the same everywhere .........but.......who knows.......better to try and fail that not to try and never know..... they will tell you that you cannot do it.....but.....if that happens then let me know about it......just be sure to do as instructed by THE GREAT THE ONLY ONE.......Ponce hahahahahahahahah.

At this time I am helping 6 on line and 3 in my home town.....remember, Oct 8 will be "D" day for me :)

[7th trump]

That is right and is a PROVENT fact, they no longer pay land tax but only "improvement" tax.....that something that I will remedy pretty soon.

Four kits of "how to" went out today, the one that asked for today will go out in about three days no need to payme anything....the one that wanted it in his email? cannot do it because is has to go in a certain order which I can only do it by slow snail (mail)

Remember folks that I am not an attorney but only using the model that did work for me....it should be the same everywhere .........but.......who knows.......better to try and fail that not to try and never know..... they will tell you that you cannot do it.....but.....if that happens then let me know about it......just be sure to do as instructed by THE GREAT THE ONLY ONE.......Ponce hahahahahahahahah.

At this time I am helping 6 on line and 3 in my home town.....remember, Oct 8 will be "D" day for me :)
I really hope it works for you Ponce....I'm rooting for you even though I dont think its going to work.
Just having an improvement tax isnt success!

[palani]

You havent provided any evidence usury has anything to do with legal and or lawful

Here is some hearsay:


Exodus 22:25
If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Leviticus 25:36
Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.

Leviticus 25:37
Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:19
Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Deuteronomy 23:20
Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Nehemiah 5:7
Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them.

Nehemiah 5:10
I likewise, and my brethren, and my servants, might exact of them money and corn: I pray you, let us leave off this usury.

Psalm 15:5
He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8
He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Isaiah 24:2
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.

Ezekiel 18:13
Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:17
That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

Ezekiel 22:12
In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord GOD.

I reiterate. Usury is ANY increase and is not lawful. Usury is EXCESSIVE increase and is legal. The two words (the first "usury" and the second "usury") are similar but not the same. Legal has not the same effect as lawful.

You apparently rely on a different book of Law than I do. I will consult the U.S. code and question it while you appear to consult it and rely on it.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Up in post #5 in this thread, I included a link to Augustus Blackstone's Errant Sovereign. He covers all of the questions I've read in this thread. It's in Chapter 11 (what a coincidence) from p. 67-74. Anybody who's serious about this might find it valuable to read his information, or, perhaps ask Ponce for a 'kit' because he's working from the result of local experience with this process. Blackstone also says that it is more practical to get a land patent on rural land than on urban land.

I rely on the same law form as Palani does--which is Natural law, or English Common Law, based on customs and practices of the people, and on God's law--which comes from the bible. That law form defines what is lawful. This is the law our parents teach us, and what we learn in sunday school and in church. Statutory law is man's law. It defines what is legal. And badly. It makes something that is unlawful, such as usury legal. Some men want that because it makes them rich at the expense of all other men. It allows them to break God's law, legally (no pun intended). Statutory law sucks. It has the color of law, but not the substance. You do not feel it in your heart or soul. It makes injustice a norm. It is what Jesus Christ rebelled against. And it is what rules our lives today. The only redemption we have is that it requires our consent to enforce such laws. We can escape the jurisdiction of statutory laws by denying it jurisdiction--that is denying our consent to its enforcement. We need too often to protect ourselves from those who do unlawful things legally, like charging us interest.

Blackstone's book linked above tells us how to avoid the most commonly despised statutory 'laws', such as paying property tax, and income tax, and having to register our automoblies, or being forced to carry a 'driver's license'. He even tells you how to get out of Social Security, if you think that is practical for you.

I am starting to understand jurisdiction better. I've been watching YT videos by Dean Clifford--a Canadian, who makes it abundantly clear what 'jurisdiction' is. It's your choice of law form. If you only consent to be judged under Common Law, then none of the statutes apply to you. The system will try to trap you into being a 'subject' (rather than a sovereign) that is a person who must follow Statutory law because it is profitable for the people who run the system. You have to know the law to avoid being trapped. I applaud Ponce for volunteering to teach us.

Hatha

[7th trump]

Here is some hearsay:



I reiterate. Usury is ANY increase and is not lawful. Usury is EXCESSIVE increase and is legal. The two words (the first "usury" and the second "usury") are similar but not the same. Legal has not the same effect as lawful.

You apparently rely on a different book of Law than I do. I will consult the U.S. code and question it while you appear to consult it and rely on it.
YOU"VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT PALANI....you consult the "code".....my ass palani!
You, palani, dont consult any code to question it at all.
Its been me who has been consulting the code to question it.
I've been throwing statutes out on this forum since I became a member here.....you...well you've come up mighty short on that!
Hell Palani.......you dont even understand what causes the imposition on labor....its all codified (even if you dont want to come to terms with it). But you think its about private credit that you have yet to provide any solid evidence. You latched onto this "private credit" theory because it was the closest thing you can make of it..........but your lost!

So when the US Supreme Court (i beleive it was the Supreme Court) cited, which all the lower courts have affirmed, say you are "gainfully employed" you agree that you are, by congressional act, taking from others (including yourself) and giving to others?
You've allowed yourself to be "used" to gainfully take from others........
Myself, I dont think you understand the difference between "legal", "lawful" or "usury".

[palani]

YOU"VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT PALANI....you consult the "code"
Statutory law is referred to in order to see how those subject to it are attempting to regulate themselves. In some code there might even be reason. Just because it is located in the code doesn't make it law but one would be foolish to turn their back upon anything reasonable. You do have to be aware that the appearance of joinder exists whenever a code is cited. The boundary between statutes and law is not clearly defined at times.



.....my ass palani!
Something you've been peddling on the street?


Myself, I dont think ....
Try it sometime. It will open up new vistas.

[7th trump]

Statutory law is referred to in order to see how those subject to it are attempting to regulate themselves. In some code there might even be reason. Just because it is located in the code doesn't make it law but one would be foolish to turn their back upon anything reasonable. You do have to be aware that the appearance of joinder exists whenever a code is cited. The boundary between statutes and law is not clearly defined at times.



Something you've been peddling on the street?


Try it sometime. It will open up new vistas.
Hahahahaha.....
Thought so Palani.....you reading the code is a bunch of bullshyt.
Thanks for confirming that for us.

[Ponce]

I really hope it works for you Ponce....I'm rooting for you even though I dont think its going to work.
Just having an improvement tax isnt success!

For some reason my reply button wont work and this is the only way that I can post.........

To those four member to whom I sent a kit yesterday......one of you could be missing page 8 that is the last page in the official doccuments......page 8 is a copy of of the original patent holder sent to you by BLM.

7th? that's why you get your tax paper divided into "land" and into "improvement" that because one has nothing to do with the other one.......like I said before, NO ONE CAN OWN LAND UNLESS THEY HAVE A PATTENT, at this time EVERYONE has a patent but the sneaky government by nubious methods cancelled the whole thing by changing the statutory number, what I am doing is bringing the new number to light.

The "improvement" tax doesn't stay in the US but goes to the IMF...and we all know who they are.....this one and the holocaust are the two ATM permanent machines that they have......I will fight it.

[palani]

Hahahahaha.....
Thought so Palani.....you reading the code is a bunch of bullshyt.
Thanks for confirming that for us.
Law is accompanied either with rewards for performing properly or penalties for not. You might believe you know law but in the end analysis you won't find out until you are either rewarded or penalized. I suspect you have a penalty headed your way but really that is not for me to say. If you do well your Law will reward you. If you do poorly your Law will apply appropriate connection.

None of this has anything at all with what I say or do and everything to do with your own actions. You appear to want to blame everything upon David Merrill. Can you say "irresponsible"?

[Mouse]

Up in post #5 in this thread, I included a link to Augustus Blackstone's Errant Sovereign. He covers all of the questions I've read in this thread. It's in Chapter 11 (what a coincidence) from p. 67-74. Anybody who's serious about this might find it valuable to read his information, or, perhaps ask Ponce for a 'kit' because he's working from the result of local experience with this process. Blackstone also says that it is more practical to get a land patent on rural land than on urban land.

I rely on the same law form as Palani does--which is Natural law, or English Common Law, based on customs and practices of the people, and on God's law--which comes from the bible. That law form defines what is lawful. This is the law our parents teach us, and what we learn in sunday school and in church. Statutory law is man's law. It defines what is legal. And badly. It makes something that is unlawful, such as usury legal. Some men want that because it makes them rich at the expense of all other men. It allows them to break God's law, legally (no pun intended). Statutory law sucks. It has the color of law, but not the substance. You do not feel it in your heart or soul. It makes injustice a norm. It is what Jesus Christ rebelled against. And it is what rules our lives today. The only redemption we have is that it requires our consent to enforce such laws. We can escape the jurisdiction of statutory laws by denying it jurisdiction--that is denying our consent to its enforcement. We need too often to protect ourselves from those who do unlawful things legally, like charging us interest.

Blackstone's book linked above tells us how to avoid the most commonly despised statutory 'laws', such as paying property tax, and income tax, and having to register our automoblies, or being forced to carry a 'driver's license'. He even tells you how to get out of Social Security, if you think that is practical for you.

I am starting to understand jurisdiction better. I've been watching YT videos by Dean Clifford--a Canadian, who makes it abundantly clear what 'jurisdiction' is. It's your choice of law form. If you only consent to be judged under Common Law, then none of the statutes apply to you. The system will try to trap you into being a 'subject' (rather than a sovereign) that is a person who must follow Statutory law because it is profitable for the people who run the system. You have to know the law to avoid being trapped. I applaud Ponce for volunteering to teach us.

Hatha

A most excellent read that by coincidence is on my hard drive and I am a bit through it. Thanks for sharing with everyone else. I think Palani, 7th, Hatha and others all hold pieces to the puzzle. Or perhaps there is more than one way to skin a cat. I am investigating, learning, and thinking before I act. Maybe there is more than one way to skin an Act....haha

[Hatha Sunahara]

What is that one way to skin a cat that everybody knows? Just kidding.

I think once you wake up to the law, and how it victimizes ignorant people, you get a huge motivation to wise up. Watch videos of Dean Clifford, or Marc Stevens. These guys are on our side. They'll tell you the right way to skin a cat.


Hatha