Shooting in NY

[Osiris]

Here we go again.... Not much info yet.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=17072093

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/3-or-4-wounded-in-shooting-near-empire-state-building/1#.UDeGK4l5nTo

[mamboni]

I'm sure Bloomberg is in his office jumping up and down for joy a la Netanyahu: "Well, it's bad..but, it's also good....for us." Us is the anti-gun lobby. Whether or not this shooting is a false flag (I'd readily give even money or better on that) Bloomberg and the rest of the libtards will be droning on and on about the evils of gun ownership and how guns must be taken away for the good of all of us. Of course, Bloomberg will never explain why criminals who routinley violate the law would let an anti-gun law stand in the way of obtaining a weapon. The police departments continue to militarize and weaponize with heavily gunned and armored vehicles; while the populace is increasingly dumbed-down, drugged-out and defanged of any means of self-defense. A society of wolves and herdes of perfectly docile sheeple. What could possibly go wrong? /sarc

[Dogman]

Hope and change is in full bloom.

[gunny highway]

you watch, it will be discovered (and parroted by the MSM) that he obtained his gun legally. that's what Bloomberg is hoping for.

[Dogman]

Number is reported ten shot so far.

Two dead so far, the shooter and a woman?

The guy was using a shotgun.

[mamboni]

<sarc> If taking away every gun in America [from the private citizens] will prevent one heinous act of gun violence, then it is justified. We must have zero tolerance towards crime! BTW, where's Jon Corzine?

[Osiris]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/24/13455394-several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building?lite

Video at link. Gunman was shot and killed by pd. One of the reporters states that NY is one of the safest big cities in the world. Isn't there a gun ban in NYC?

[JohnQPublic]

How much do you want to bet the gunman has ties to military psyop activities?

[Dogman]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/24/13455394-several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building?lite

Video at link. Gunman was shot and killed by pd. One of the reporters states that NY is one of the safest big cities in the world. Isn't there a gun ban in NYC?

Pretty much.

Bet, Bloomberg 'the rich wimp bitch' is going to howl from the highest soap box, about gun control. And the dam thing is his city has some of the tightest gun laws on the planet.

[Dogman]

How much do you want to bet the gunman has ties to military psyop activities? Hearing he was fired from there yesterday. (?)

Edit: More likely it was a setup by the anti-gunners to give a solid platform for national bans. (Guessing)


Edit: Some of the victims may have been shot by the police when shooting at the shooter.

[midnight rambler]

Some of the victims may have been shot by the police when shooting at the shooter.

I'm absolutely sure the victims shot by the cops are VERY, VERY GRATEFUL they got shot by the cops...so long as their *intended* target was the bad guy. /sarc

[JohnQPublic]

What journalists are saying about Jeffrey Johnson (http://muckrack.com/topic/Jeffrey%20Johnson)"NY gunman Jeffrey Johnson was a designer of women's accessories. He was fired a year ago. He lived in Manhattan."

"RT @NYTMetro (http://twitter.com/NYTMetro): Police commissioner Kelly: Shooter Jeffrey Johnson, 53, had been fired 1 yr ago from job at designer of women's accessories."

"MT @womensweardaily (http://twitter.com/womensweardaily): Jeffrey Johnson, 53, a women's accessories designer for a company named Hazan, has been identified as the lone gunman."

[Dogman]

I'm absolutely sure the victims shot by the cops are VERY, VERY GRATEFUL they got shot by the cops...so long as their *intended* target was the bad guy. /sarc


They first said the shooter was using a shotgun, and he may have had one.


But now they are saying he was using a .45 semi automatic.

The plot thickens!

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.manta.com/g/mm28pv6/isaac-hazan
Isaac Hazan This is me (http://www.manta.com/member/simple_register/?action=show_form_ppc&emid=mm28pv6&rl=contact-profile-me&firstname=Isaac&lastname=Hazan) President
Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)
New York, NY

http://www.manta.com/manta/images/profile/memb_icon.gif



About Isaac Hazan So far, Manta has 1 contact for Hazan Import Corporation in New York, NY. Do you work with Isaac Hazan?

Estimates show Hazan Import Corporation employs 10 people and has an annual revenue of $1,700,000.


Visit the company profile for Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation) to see more contact information about the company or purchase D&B background and financial reports.


Isaac works at:
Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)
10 W 33rd Street Room 718
New York, NY 10001-3306
map (http://www.manta.com/cmap/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)

Phone: (212) 695-7600
About:
Hazan Import Corporation in New York, NY is a private company which is listed under wholesale handbags. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $1,700,000 and employs a staff of 10.

[Dogman]

http://www.manta.com/g/mm28pv6/isaac-hazan
Isaac Hazan

This is me (http://www.manta.com/member/simple_register/?action=show_form_ppc&emid=mm28pv6&rl=contact-profile-me&firstname=Isaac&lastname=Hazan) President
Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)
New York, NY

http://www.manta.com/manta/images/profile/memb_icon.gif



About Isaac Hazan

So far, Manta has 1 contact for Hazan Import Corporation in New York, NY. Do you work with Isaac Hazan?

Estimates show Hazan Import Corporation employs 10 people and has an annual revenue of $1,700,000.


Visit the company profile for Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation) to see more contact information about the company or purchase D&B background and financial reports.


Isaac works at:
Hazan Import Corporation (http://www.manta.com/c/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)
10 W 33rd Street Room 718
New York, NY 10001-3306
map (http://www.manta.com/cmap/mm28pv6/hazan-import-corporation)

Phone: (212) 695-7600
About:
Hazan Import Corporation in New York, NY is a private company which is listed under wholesale handbags. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $1,700,000 and employs a staff of 10.

Sure is a productive company, each employee just needs to make $170,000 in goods a year! 3527

[JohnQPublic]

Now its getting turned into a jewish thing (NY):
http://muckrack.com/topic/Hazan%20Imports


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[sirgonzo420]

Now its getting turned into a jewish thing (NY):
http://muckrack.com/topic/Hazan%20Imports


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First impression is a mossad front.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.bumequipment.com/press.html

"HANDBAGS & BACKPACKS – Ladies & Children’s
Hazan Import Corp.
Hazan Imports, located in NYC at 10 West 33rd Street, brings over 30 years of experience in the handbag industry run by Isaac and Ralph Hazan. They are entering the branded market with BUM Equipment. They want entry into the majors and feel the BUM brand can open the doors for them. Ralph Hazan foresees a big opportunity in the kids’ segment of bags. “Branding is the name of the game for us. Today’s world is brand-centric,” states Ralph Hazan. Hazan chose BUM for its consistent ranking in the top 10 for consumer awareness and brand appeal. “We feel BUM Equipment will bring a fresh appeal to our product, adding to our huge and still growing customer base,” adds Hazan. Stephen Wayne remarks, “Hazan is a leading handbag company known to be young thinking, dynamic and always fashion conscious.”
Hazan will be distribute BUM to chains including specialty stores, mass merchandisers and sporting goods stores as well as independent retailers nationwide. Prices will retail from $14.99 to $39.00. Sales Manager, Steve Ercolino says, “We have kicked off our Spring selling with an emphasis on the Varsity look for Back to School. We are mixing fabrics and offering a fresh look plus color is more important than ever and is driving sales.” Nostalgia and vintage are the statements for Fall 2007. Hazan has developed a unique stamping process that puffs the fabric they treat and retailers are ecstatic it. “This eye-catching styling is crucial to the savvy junior brand consumer in our marketplace,” adds Ercolino.
Hazan’s design concept is simple says Ralph Hazan: “Take the best of the past and infuse it with the best of today! “We have high expectations for the BUM Equipment brand, and we hope to enjoy a glorious ‘revival’ with both old and new audiences.”
2007 TOTAL U.S. ACCESSORIES SUMMARY
From sweats to a complete ACCESSORIES LINEUP in 2007: According to Stephen Wayne, “With the signing of both L’Egent and Hazan, we now have a full line of accessories under the BUM Equipment brand.” In Addition to the signing of these two new licenses, L’Egent and International and Hazan Imports, At the end of December Bum Equipment renewed all of its other existing licenses to new and additional terms. ..."


"...

September 20, 2006
New License for Handbags for Ladies and Kids.
Ladies and Gentlemen: We are so pleased to announce the signing of a brand new category for BUM Equipment. Hazan Import Corporation has just signed on as our newest Licensee for Ladies and Children's Handbags and Backpacks. Please welcome to he family Isaac and Ralph Hazan . The Hazan Family brings to the table over 30 years of experience in the Handbag Industry. The are most well known as one of the leaders in the bag industry as Young Thinking, Dynamic and always Fashion Conscious. They see a very big opportunity in the marketplace for the Kids segment of bags which Ralph feels can open a whole new avenue for them. Their offices are located in New York City at 10 West 33rd Street. The first line will be offered in the January Market with shipments slated for Spring 2007. After so many years as a private label maker BUM will represent one of their first licenses. Welcome and Good Luck from all of us at BUM Equipment. Sincerely Stephen Wayne and Steve Marra..."

[Dogman]

The guy may have been pissed because the ex boss used "Hollywood Accounting" that the tribe likes to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

[JohnQPublic]

http://philanthropy.mountsinai.org/Document.Doc?id=4

"Mr. and Mrs. Bernard L. Madoff" pg. 41, $50,000 - $99,999

"Mr. and Mrs. Ralph Hazan" pg. 53, $1000-2500

[Sparky]

' Johnson pulled a .45 caliber gun on the approaching police officers but it not clear if he actually shot any rounds as police opened fire on him, Kelly said.

Nine people were wounded or grazed in the crossfire, Kelly said.

"Some may have been accidentally shot by police officers," Kelly said. '

[mamboni]

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Oy vey!!! It can't be!!! Maybe the gunman was........anti-semitic?!?!? Oy vey!

[EE_]

Oy vey!!! It can't be!!! Maybe the gunman was........anti-semitic?!?!? Oy vey!

Aren't most crimes in NYC anti-semitic...doesn't everyone there work for Jews?
You can't swing a dead cat (or fire a .45) without hitting one.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136501.0;attach=43 91;image

[mamboni]

Aren't most crimes in NYC anti-semitic...doesn't everyone there work for Jews?
You can't swing a dead cat (or fire a .45) without hitting one.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136501.0;attach=43 91;image

That's no excuse!!!!! Shame on you!!! Holocaust!!! Holocaust!!!

[mamboni]

Bloomberg should choke on this:

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets

by Chuck Baldwin
The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818862/posts

[midnight rambler]

The ONLY reason this is being splashed across the media is because it was a 'mass shooting' - which just happened to be at the hands of some apparently poorly trained* dimwitted donut munchers. Otherwise there would have been only one casualty, the initial victim (and possibly two, i.e. the shooter), and it would not have been 'news' outside of Joo York Shitty.

*someone using their head could have taken down the shooter without any 'collateral damage', however this is inherently beyond the capability of trained monkeys

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Anytime someone suggests banning EVERY GUN, I ask them if they intend to ban police guns, too. Obviously, they say no. Then I call them hypocritical.

[General of Darkness]

Cops pretty much remind me of a bunch of monkeys fucking a football.

Cops Shoot Bystanders in Midtown New York

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UPDATE #5 (8 p.m.) The Guardian with first complaint by one of those shot (http://t.co/9UsDLcRj)--man accuses police of shooting "randomly" and not aiming carefully. "I could be dead," he says. ... NYT with separate story (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/police-decision-to-shoot-in-midtown-left-9-wounded.html?) on the police decision to fire and policy. Raises questions. Hard to tell if reporters actually saw surveillance video or taking police words on it--should be more clear.

UPDATE #4 My new post (http://bit.ly/Nr4WoE) on NYPD policy on use of "deadly force." Did cops violate it today? ... WNBC top report at 6 p.m. repeats "shootout" claim twice within first two minutes and says unknown if gunman fired and if cops hit bystanders. WABC says heroic cops prevented more mayhem when in fact the gunman was walking away with gun in bag and he had accomplished his mission of shooting foe. .. NYT update now includes (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/empire-state-building-shooting.html?hp) police claim that suspect "may" have fired one shot at copsbut admit bystanders all shot by police. NY Daily News, which had earlier promoted the "gun battle" meme, now reports, "It appears Johnson never squeezed off a shot at the cops."

UPDATE #3 Media continue to give NY cops slack on shooting today. One wonders if they would do that if, say, police bullets had killed three bystanders instead of merely wounding nine. Here's the current AP story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nyc-fire-official-several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building-conditions-unclear/2012/08/24/e76f9214-edef-11e1-b624-99dee49d8d67_story.html?tid=pm_pop) which still refers to maybe "some" of bystanders being hit by cops when it's clear now that all of them were (the gunman, Johnson, did not fire weapon in the "gun battle"). It says there's still "conflicting" evidence on whether Johnson shot, with the only conflict being the police chief claiming that at first. And it swallows whole police claim that video (unseen) shows Johnson pointing gun at cops at close range. What's needed: cell phone footage of actual "shootout" shot by the many folks nearby.

UPDATE #2: As I suggested earlier, NYT has now confirmed (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/several-people-shot-one-fatally-outside-empire-state-building.html?)--though they bury the fact--that the gunman, Jeffrey Johnson, indeed did not fire his weapon at cops, and both Bloomberg and Commissioner Kelly lied about it, apparently.NYT: Bloomberg and Kelly said cops "returned fire" but: "A law enforcement official said later on Friday that Mr. Johnson did not fire his weapon."

My quick check of current media reports show nearly everyone still referring to "shootout" or police "returning fire" or "taking fire." Here's NY Daily News right now: "Two officers fired 14 rounds at Johnson from about five feet away after the gunman started blasting without provocation, officials said." Bloomberg News calls it a "firefight." NY Post right now: "cops on anti-terror patrol drew their weapons on Johnson and he opened fire." The Guardian says it's now "understood" that the gunman (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/24/empire-state-building-shooting-two-dead?) did not fire at cops but still says some of the wounded "may" have been hit by police fire.

UPDATE: Police now say they fired 14 shots in all. Channel 7 local TV at hospital: Victims' families asking if police shot their loved one.

Earlier: Mayor Mike Bloomberg's press conference on NYC shooting today in front of Empire State Building, just over, raising troubling questions for me--if not for reporters, who did not query strongly. He disclosed that nine bystanders were struck, likely at least some, "unfortunately," by police fire. It's even possible that all of them were shot by police since Bloomberg would not say anything more than the police were "threatened" when the man drew a gun from a black bag or briefcase--does not say he actually fired. Given a couple chances to claim there was a gunfight, he remained vague--even though Police Commissioner Kelly had just said flatly that cops "returned fire."

This raises question--at least for me--on what is NYC police policy on opening fire in midtown at rush hour. Six taken to hospitals. The gunman killed, after he killed former employer. Ashley Banfield on CNN afterward did mention that there would be a lot of "forensic" work coming to nail down where the bullets came from. She points out gunman's handgun only held eight bullets at most. But first guest on MSNBC insists on calling it "shootout"--which it might, or might not, have been. CNN reporter on the scenes calls the nine bystanders "collateral damage."

Earlier this month, police shot and killed a homeless man in midtown who was carrying a large knife--and this scene was captured by many locals and tourists armed with cell phone cameras. Wonder if anyone caught today's episode in prime tourist area.

How police will be judged will be based on when police opened fire: 1) if he reached for gun in black bag 2) if he pulled out gun and pointed it 3) if he actually fired at police. What seems clear from reports is that he had eight bullets in the gun at most and used three of them in shooting his former employer or colleague. Jury out until video--official or amateur--emerges.

[Dogman]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63169-Shooting-in-NY (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63169-Shooting-in-NY&p=567913#post567913)

[General of Darkness]

So here's my take.

The guy got fired, puts 3 bullets in the head of his ex-boss

Cops show up, fire 14 rounds and hit 9 people.

Conclusion - Original shooter nice shooting, cops, horrible shooting. On a side note, the ex-boss is probably a jew and the shooter is gay, he was designing woman's handbags.

[midnight rambler]

Fucking cowardly trained monkeys who are unable to calmly draw a bead under stress. (so much for being 'a professional' lol) Pathetic. And dangerous to those around them.

I watched the video - the way they confronted him was the epitome of just plain stupid. The two cops were within a few feet of each other (actually both in the shooter's line of fire!), rushing the guy and yelling at him. I'm not 'trained as a professional LEO' and even I know better than that. lol

[Gaillo]

Yet nobody cries out for "Cop Control"! ::)

[midnight rambler]

So here's my take.

The guy got fired, puts 3 bullets in the head of his ex-boss

Cops show up, fire 14 rounds and hit 9 people.

Conclusion - Original shooter nice shooting, cops, horrible shooting. On a side note, the ex-boss is probably a jew and the shooter is gay, he was designing woman's handbags.

Report is that the shooter had a Star .45 pistol (single stack mag) which he purchased himself in Fla. in '90 or '91, and he supposedly shot the victim five times. This doesn't leave much ammo for a 'shootout with the police' even if he had a spare mag. So much for Joo York Shitty gun laws being effective.

[midnight rambler]

Video here - http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/24/multiple-people-reported-shot-near-empire-state-building/

[Horn]

And they aren't even friendlies.

[midnight rambler]

You can bet that we won't hear a single peep out of the corporate media asking why there were so many casualties.

[Horn]

They must've emptied their clips too fast...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mypYl_NoYnM

"Muscle memory"

[General of Darkness]

Here's the hooked nosed jew Bloomberg lying his fucking ass off, and that POS police chief using words like "semiautomatic" and shit like that. Hell, in the right hands a 44 revolver could do WAYYYY more damn in the hands of someone that know WTF they're doing. This is a complete and utter fuck up by the shit bags from NYPD and now it's DUCK AND COVER time, or lie and deflect time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bUqArpYOwI

[Cebu_4_2]

The shooters need to be taken care of, just like anyone else with a gun. If everyone had a gun this shit just wouldn't be possible.

[Hatha Sunahara]

The shooters need to be taken care of, just like anyone else with a gun. If everyone had a gun this shit just wouldn't be possible.

I'm an ardent supporter of arming everybody--except the police, who obviously don't know how to use their guns properly. All of us have the same authority to make arrests as the police do. Yet the police think they have a monopoly on using guns. Those who don't wish to carry guns, should at least carry handcuffs, or tasers or pepper spray to assist the armed people in making arrests. We could have a much politer society if this was the case.


Hatha

[madfranks]

Wow, watching that video it's obvious that ALL of the shots fired and ALL of the casualties were caused by the police. The guy even puts his hands up, why didn't they just arrest him? Instead, all of five feet away they blast him and all the people around. I hope every single one of those nine people who got hit sue the police force for all they're worth.

[mamboni]

NY cops totally reckless and incompetent here. Years ago, this would have never happened. Just hitting a bystander during a shootout got a cop suspended and a full review. The performance here is that of untrained amateurs - literal keystone cops. They panick under any circumstance and blast away - it betrays total criminal disregard for the public. Cops are a total embaressment.

[Dogman]

Wow, watching that video it's obvious that ALL of the shots fired and ALL of the casualties were caused by the police. The guy even puts his hands up, why didn't they just arrest him? Instead, all of five feet away they blast him and all the people around. I hope every single one of those nine people who got hit sue the police force for all they're worth. If you watch, the guy had his gun out first, you can see it in his hand in some of the videos frames. The cops had no choice but to shoot, the guy was not giving up. He may have dropped the gun after the first shots hit him and by that time it was to late?

First part of the video the gun is in his right hand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mypYl_NoYnM

[Horn]

That area of the film is very choppy, the gun even appears to pop! into existence.

I'm not saying he didn't pull one, but the area of where his arm would still be hanging down is choppy doctor.

It (the gun) almost seems to disappear when hitting the ground for a frame or two, then reappear in a different spot when he rolls over.

Just bad resolution-contrast, I guess?

[Horn]

Check the white flower in the flower pot behind the perp., it gets clipped out by all the uncontrolled flying police lead...

Policeman in foreground appears to be clipped in leg and is limping.

[Dogman]

That area of the film is very choppy, the gun even appears to pop! into existence.

I'm not saying he didn't pull one, but the area of where his arm would still be hanging down is choppy doctor.

It (the gun) almost seems to disappear when hitting the ground for a frame or two, then reappear in a different spot when he rolls over.

Just bad resolution, I guess? It can be seen that he reached into his briefcase and pulled the gun at 0:14 and then points it at the cops, or at least that is what my eyes see.

[Dogman]

Check the white flower in the flower pot behind the perp., it gets clipped out by all the flying police lead... Yep they were mowing the grass, looks like more than one shot hit/passed through (green stuff) the flower pot.

[Horn]

Could be the gun flipped up and over when hitting the pavement, possibly why it appears to vanish momentarily.

[midnight rambler]

One of the victims of the trained monkeys' indiscriminate barrage was on that POS limey Piers Morgan last night - a black fellow who as hit in the arm. Apparently he was close enough to see the shooter pull his gun out and hear one shot fired by the shooter before the Keystone Kops opened up. I maintain that intelligent acting peace officers could have taken the shooter down (taken into custody or shot - bad guy's option) without him getting off a single shot. It's called getting the drop on someone, pretty simple stuff actually but apparently trained monkeys aren't trained for such things and/or lack the mental capacity to grasp the concept.

On another note, that POS limey Morgan had on the dead victim's brother (on the phone) and Morgan *attempted* to make political hay and get this - the brother of the dead victim would have NOTHING to do with it. He said, "I don't think this is a referendum on guns...could have just as easily been killed with a baseball bat or knife..." (paraphrased)

ETA, found the video, see for yourself -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbiErjW-ebs

[midnight rambler]

What a lying turd!!!


Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers' struck "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The above link leaves it uncertain as to whether the bad guy got off a single shot at cops or not - probably not since the corporate media has not exploited that. Appears more to be suicide by cop.

[madfranks]

Check the white flower in the flower pot behind the perp., it gets clipped out by all the uncontrolled flying police lead...

Policeman in foreground appears to be clipped in leg and is limping.

There were three people on the bench right behind the flower pot. Thankfully they had the foresight to flee otherwise they would have all probably died.

[Down1]

This story is not on the front page at Yahoo at the time of this posting.
Nothing to push here anymore.
On to another phony massacre in Syria.

[Horn]

It's called getting the drop on someone, pretty simple stuff actually but apparently trained monkeys aren't trained for such things


They can't go there anymore for fear of catching kooties, and insurance payments.

The gun is much cleaner in this aspect.

[Sparky]

Wow, watching that video it's obvious that ALL of the shots fired and ALL of the casualties were caused by the police. The guy even puts his hands up, why didn't they just arrest him? Instead, all of five feet away they blast him and all the people around. I hope every single one of those nine people who got hit sue the police force for all they're worth.

At what point did he put his hands up? He enters the video at 0:10, he turns to see the cops right behind him at 0:14, he pulls out his gun and aims it at one of the cops at 0:16. The first shot must be fired at 0:18 because that's when the woman in the lower right raises her hands to cover her ears by 0:19. He's on his knees by 0:21. I don't see him ever raise his hands.

It's hard to imagine how their were 9 shots that missed and hit bystanders. Was there shooting before this during the chase?

[vacuum]

Not even going to read this story. No interest. When the likelihood of getting shot rises above that of dieing in a car accident or from cancer or other natural causes, wake me up.

[Twisted Titan]

you watch, it will be discovered (and parroted by the MSM) that he obtained his gun legally. that's what Bloomberg is hoping for.


Heard it on 1010 wins today

He purchased the gun Legally in Florida in 95 but it was ILLEGAL to have possesion of it in NYC.

Meanwhile shootout at the O.K. corral boys will get a medal, a pass and a cover up by The Investgative unit.