For those asking for a kit on Land Patent......

[Ponce]

To the five asking for a kit......I have to go to the BIG town and buy some large envelopes for the documents, as soon as I do so I will send you the kit.

To the ones that already got them.......you welcome.

Remember amigos that Oct 8th is D day for me :)

[Hatha Sunahara]

Over this past weekend, I was watching Johnny Liberty's video Reclaiming Your Sovereign Citizenship:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60887-Johnny-Liberty-Reclaiming-Your-Sovereign-Citizenship&highlight=Johnny+Liberty

He talks about Alloidal Title and Land Patents at 1:05 into the video. Interesting bit of history about why we have to get alloidal title to the land we 'own'. We don't own it if we don't have this title. The Johnny Liberty vid is well worth watching. It's long, but he's a good speaker.


Hatha

[chad]

To the five asking for a kit......I have to go to the BIG town and buy some large envelopes for the documents, as soon as I do so I will send you the kit.

To the ones that already got them.......you welcome.

Remember amigos that Oct 8th is D day for me :)

how much did you have to pay for your share of "whatever" to get out of things?

[Ponce]

My share for my land tax is only of about $280.00.....but......what counts the most is the "privacy" and "benefits" that comes with it......for example, if you want to build something? you simply do it, you don't have to ask permission by obtaining a build permit............NO ONE......I say again.......NO ONE......can come into your property unless the the US Supreme Court of the US, or the president, say is ok to do so.....no warrant signed by a federal judge is any good.

If you are still paying for your property, but you live there, you can still obtain a Land Patent and on the day that you can no longer pay your mortgage then the bankers will have to come up with some kind of agreedment with you, remember that what they are financing is what is on the land and not the land itself.

No one can own land unless they have a Land Patent.

[Ponce]

Great video Hatha, thanks a lot........I already email hime with my news :)

[palani]

Great video Hatha, thanks a lot........I already email hime with my news :)

Johnny Liberty? Is he out of jail yet?

edited to add ... I guess he was released in April of 2007 ... 36 months of probation.


26:7212A.F CORRUPT OR FORCIBLE INTERFERENCE; OBSTRUCTING AND IMPEDING THE ADMINISTRATION OF TAX LAWS
18:1343.F FRAUD BY WIRE (FACSIMILE TRANSMISSION and ELECTRONIC MAIL)

IMPRISONMENT: 27 months as to Counts 1 and 16, all terms to run concurrently. SUPERVISED RELEASE: One year as to Count 1; Three years as to Count 16, all terms to run concurrently. RESTITUTION: $416,700.00. SMA: $200.00: 06/08/2006 - Restitution: $421,700.00

[Ponce]

Johnny Liberty? Is he out of jail yet?


LOL, my bunk will probably be next to his hahahahahahal.

Hey guys?.....don't for get to include your name and address if you want a "Land Patent" kit...thanks.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Ponce, you're going to have to expand your signature line with:

If you don't have the patent, you don't own your land.


Hatha

[Ponce]

Well, now days it goes for everything that you have because pretty soon it will be for all that you will have.

Get ready today for the way that you want to live tomorrow.......hummmmmm better get more Viagra hahahahahaha.

[freespirit]

this is really interesting, Ponce...

it got me wondering if something similar existed here in canada, and i came across this for starters...

http://www.workingforest.com/ontario-landowners-association-argues-original-documents-supersede-all-whimsical-legislation-since-before-confederation/

...is this something like what you are working on where you live?


Smart metres, water metres, land appropriation, forced re-zoning, amalgamation, municipal plans, the Mineral and Aggregate Act, Toronto’s Greenbelt,unwanted access to your property by any ministry or official for any reason other than serious crime, the Endangered Species Act and basically any legislation that may impact land ownership rights could be completely moot and some would suggest outright illegal in the eyes of the Supreme Court of Canada so long as you hold a Crown Land Patent Grant.
“David Onley should be fired immediately, Dalton McGuinty should be in jail; Bill Blair should be in jail,” Ontario Landowner Association (OLA) Secretary and lead researcher Liz Marshall told members of the Renfrew County branch at Eganville’s Sno-Drifters’ Club during their quarterly meeting last Wednesday night, referring to the G-8 and 20 summits as a specifi c example of how the OLA feels government has ignored its people’s rights. “They have all undermined our constitutional rights to the eighth degree.”
Although targeting the powers of the day, she explained the Crown Land Patent Grants (CLPG) and their powers of “forever” date back centuries in many cases, to the original land deals between settlers and the Crown. She said they were hidden away from the public in the 1950s and again only briefl y identifi ed in a 1992 act, stating they remain “esoteric” (secret) ever since by every level of government, municipal, provincial and federal. Ms. Marshall said they’ve been squirreled away from the public for so long, most ministers, lawyers and government officials don’t even realize the documents exist or the powers they possess. The ones that do, she said “are terrified; this will get very expensive for them; they can’t afford it, I know that.”
She said the OLA intends to increase that knowledge amongst landowners with meetings and a public awareness campaign like the one held in Eganville last week. They also suggest any property owner go about getting theirs immediately through the Ministry of Natural Resources offi ces in Peterborough to post on their land, instituting the protection they provide. The issue of Crown Land Patent Grants and their apparently infallible powers was introduced to a full house of OLA members by the local county branch President, Killaloe, Hagarty and Richards Councillor Stanley Pecoskie. In sweltering heat, he thanked an unusually large crowd for a quarterly meeting for attending, warning all the issue to be discussed could be one of the most important ever in the eyes of the OLA membership. “We’re trying to correct a few things that have been chewing away our belongings for many years,” Mr. Pecoskie said. “It seems we’ve lost a lot of rights here since our ancestors fi rst came here and I don’t think it was supposed to be this way.”
Handing the fl oor over to OLA member and CFRA radio host Nick Vandergraat, who has been covering the issue extensively the last few weeks, he spoke briefl y about why the OLA believes the issue is so important. “It is the single most important legal document you can own; I cannot stress that enough,” he said. “One of the reasons for that is, in the document it uses one word that no legislator, no authority in the country, including the Supreme Court can get around and that word is ‘forever’. We haven’t run out of it yet and until we do there’s nothing they can do about it. “No matter what party is involved…no matter who is running a municipality, they are not going to like this,” he added, saying anyone who has land appropriated anywhere, such as residents and farmers living in the Greenbelt near Ottawa or Toronto, will be able to get their land back, or, in the case it cannot be returned, must be compensated at fair market value and potentially any lost revenue the land may have provided to the original owner since appropriation. “This is going to get expensive, but it’s the only way we can make the province and the federal-ees sit up and pay attention to the fact they have been trodding on landowners’ rights, basically since before
confederation and that we’ve fi nally had enough and they won’t be able to get away with it anymore; whether it’s a mayor, a minister, a provincial politician, a premiere or the prime minister; none of that is going to matter.”He explained originally, land belonged to the Crown essentially everywhere in the country (whatever the borders may have been at the time the land was transferred).
In order for land ownership transfer to the settlers, the Crown had to grant said land through the negotiated land patents. “When they granted that land, they included the rights (in the document in writing),” he said. “In there, they had their rights enshrined and that nasty little word ‘forever’ is what’s gott’em on a hook and there’s no amount of wrigglin’ (out of it).” Ms. Marshall, who pointed out “I am not a lawyer; this is not legal advice,” said regardless, the CLPGs point out in black and white exactly what the boundaries of any given property are, what the Crown may have access to, what they do not and as proven in court already, supersede any legislation since their drafting.
“Land patent grants are the original contracts between the Crown and the original settlers, their heirs and assigns forever; you are either the heirs or the assigns of those patentees (as landowners),” she said. “Those (CLPGs) grant you your rights; your water rights, your mineral rights, your right to tell the MNR, the bylaw offi cers, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera this is my land, get off. “I am not just saying this as a sermon; this is absolute solid, 100 per cent concrete,” she said, referring to several court cases spanning about 100 years. “These documents overrule orders in council, they overrule legislation, they overrule just about everything. All legislation is, is a thought, a whim or an idea.” She explained the farce of legislation is that it is created by the ideals of the people in charge and a result of the time they are created, easily reneged when another party or person gets another idea “or whim.” “They put it on paper and they think it’s a real law; and that’s what we are being ruined by, legislation that is a thought, a whim, an idea,” she added. “It doesn’t have to be constitutional, don’t ever think that any piece of any legislation has to follow any rules, it does not.” She said one such piece of legislation was in 1950 under the Lands Grant Act, where, she said, the proof and power of the original land grants was buried in the wording. That was challenged in the Superior Court of Ontario by a group of residents who all shared a private section of beach that was frequently trespassed upon by the public. The township decided it would attempt to appropriate the beach section, creating a development plan to do so, from the property owners to create public land. But the residents each secured their CLPGs, which all proved ownership to the waterfront and court ruled in favour of the private landowners. “(The township) could not plan for those beaches, they didn’t own it; if you don’t own it you can’t plan for it,” she said. “All of these plans, they may work on Crown land, they may work on public land, but when it comes to your land, you are the only one that actually has a plan and that’s your survey, registered against your title.
“And your title goes all the way back to the Crown Land Patent Grants because the (grants) are your root of title,” she added, warning that one way the grants have been hidden was altering the law so lawyers only had to go back 40 years in a title search for property purchase. “You in fact may not even be able to have the land that you have because they have not done a complete search from you to the (CLPG).” She told all in attendance they should go about securing their offi cial, certifi ed copy of the CLPG at a small cost to ensure they know their full rights and exactly what they own and what, if anything, the government may have access to.
“It will tell you whether you do or you do not own your water, if you have navigable water ways, whether you do or do not own your beaches, it will tell you whether you own your mineral lights…it won’t even have your name on it, it will be the original patentees’,” she explained. She said in other court cases that landed at the federal Supreme Court, the rulings were “it clearly states council cannot overrule the reservations or the guarantees of the (CLPGs),” and that the municipalities, province or federal government has no authority to create legislation that would overrule the patents. “It’s up to you folks to get your patents and start standing up for and understanding your own rights; when people come on to your land that are offi cials from the municipality or the MNR or whatever, if they are coming there to tell you…‘I’m the bylaw inspector, you can’t paint your trim pink,’ you can say ‘get off my land, you have no right or authority; I have a contract with the Crown, what do you have…get off my land’. “You have the right to tell anyone and everyone to get off your land unless you have committed a criminal offence,” she added, so long as the landowner physically has a certifi ed copy of the CLPG, which should be posted and visible.
Metering Private Wells
She said it is even more crucial right now that property owners, regardless of the size of property, get theirs now. Ms. Marshall said she has read new provincial legislation coming out that identifi es the government’s desire to put water metres on private wells. “They already have their source water committees looking at metering wells, private, individual wells,” she said, again warning that depending on what the original negotiation was, the CLPG could say that the Crown has the right to the water, and in that case, there will be little power to stop a meter going on the well. However, if the CLPG does not clearly identify the reservation of water rights to the Crown, she said the property owner has every right to deny entry, even to enact a citizen’s arrest for trespassing against the offi cial. She said the CLPGs outweigh any legislation that may impact a person’s property and under common law, identify that no person shall pollute, block or alter the fl ow of neighbour’s water, air or land, so environmental protection is already built in, requiring no additional water or species protection acts. “These patents are your rights, they are your responsibilities and they are your good-neighbour paper,” Ms. Marshall said. “You have the authority; these things are also a lot of responsibility, you cannot just go hog wild, it is set in common law.” She said it is a powerful tool that could shatter many of the current systems in the country, thus the fear from all levels of government. Ms. Marshall suggested farmers and people in the greenbelts, who had sever limitations put on their ability to develop or use their lands as they see fit, could be due all their appropriated lands back or financial compensation. She referred to another successful court case of an elderly gentleman in Petawawa, where the local council wished to alter the zoning of his land from rural residential to mineral aggregate against his wishes. Using his land patent grant, that was quashed. The documents have also been used to stop governments from taking over private land mineral rights and she said could overrule --in favour of the original landowners -- any international, national or provincial heritage sites, UNESCO sites and formed marsh lands. She said it could throw wrenches into many municipal plans and systems, including water treatment systems and the municipal water act that places people in urban areas on one system. She said under the CLPGs, that is an unnecessary infringement of rights.
De-amalgamation Committee Being Formed
She even suggested the amalgamations of 2000 were illegal, based on those CLPGs and the OLA has created a “de-amalgamation committee”. “We think that’s illegal,” she said, explaining amalgamation altered the original patented township boundaries and ignores the original CLPG property identifi cations.

[Glass]

Ponce,

I'm real keen to get my hands on the info in this kit. I'm way down here in Aus. What are the chances of arranging something over that distance. Wondering how I could get funds to you to cover costs etc.

Please let me know here or PM if you think it's doable.... cheers.

[Ponce]

Ponce,

I'm real keen to get my hands on the info in this kit. I'm way down here in Aus. What are the chances of arranging something over that distance. Wondering how I could get funds to you to cover costs etc.

Please let me know here or PM if you think it's doable.... cheers.

Don't worry about shipping cost......in on the house......send me your info by pm.

Freespirit? it sure looks like it............the land belongs to no one unless you are on it and with a Land Patent.......I have found a loop hole that I am now investigating.....I just might be able to claim around 10,000 acreas of land hahahahahahahahahah........I'll probably end up in trouble like those before me who tried to help others.

I wrote to GIM2 and told them that I would like to go back once again in order to help those there with obtaining their Land Patent....but....that I would never shut up about the Zionists...........they told me that under those conditions that I could not go back..........looks to me that it is more important for them to protect the Zionist than to help their fellow Americans...........................I always suspected that that site was being run by them.

[Ponce]

OK guys, between you and others at other sites the orders has been just great.......only two kits left....if you want one....I really mean "WANT" then send me your name and address......I say want because is not cheap to send all of them.

You two who wanted it by email, I can give it to you only by snail mail........name and address if you please.

[Ponce]

Ponce,

I'm real keen to get my hands on the info in this kit. I'm way down here in Aus. What are the chances of arranging something over that distance. Wondering how I could get funds to you to cover costs etc.

Please let me know here or PM if you think it's doable.... cheers.

And I am "keen" to send it to you........name and address?

I just got back from the post office after mailing 23 kits, 7 from this site and the rest from elsewhere......the 3 orders that I just got a while ago? will send them out next week, have to print more kits (love it)........Palani? you know what to do.

[Serpo]

Ponce,

I'm real keen to get my hands on the info in this kit. I'm way down here in Aus. What are the chances of arranging something over that distance. Wondering how I could get funds to you to cover costs etc.

Please let me know here or PM if you think it's doable.... cheers.


Would be interested to see if it could be done in OZ and keep me informed glass of developments ,if you get a kit and how relevant to OZ is it ect., thanks

[Ponce]

OK.........

Janadele...Jones...Smith...Tylka...Teran...Macculu p... you will get it sometime next week.

Starting next week I'll be charging $250.00 per kit heheheheheheh, that should take care of the mailing...

Just kidding guys.........but not with Macculup, with a name like that he owes me $250,000 offfffffffffff :)

By the way......in your search in the internet I know that you will see a lot of technical lawyarise about this, but this simple document works just fine.......just follow the wordings like is in the document.

And yes, if you don't understand something call me......is your dime.

[osoab]

Have you given a kit to agnut?

[Ponce]

Have you given a kit to agnut?

No, he will give me the info that I will need and then I'll send him the finished product....only for him.

[osoab]

No, he will give me the info that I will need and then I'll send him the finished product....only for him.

That's pretty cool of ya Ponce. Ask agnut to chime in with his thoughts on this sometime if you don't mind.

[Ponce]

Ponce, you're going to have to expand your signature line with:

If you don't have the patent, you don't own your land.


Hatha

Yep, you are right......

To those living down under, the rules in Australia are different than the ones in the US and Canada so that the documents that I could send you would be of no use to you........shipping the kit in the US is only $1.50 + .50 cents for the enveloped and $1.20 for to print the paper work for a total of $3.20............but to Australia? I won't even ask...is not really a matter of the money but of doing all that for nothing :(

[Glass]

Yep, you are right......

To those living down under, the rules in Australia are different than the ones in the US and Canada so that the documents that I could send you would be of no use to you........shipping the kit in the US is only $1.50 + .50 cents for the enveloped and $1.20 for to print the paper work for a total of $3.20............but to Australia? I won't even ask...is not really a matter of the money but of doing all that for nothing :(

Thanks for the offer anyway Ponce. I can see your point of view.

I'm pretty sure land was alloted on a patent basis way back in the begining of settlement here and around 1946 they introduced a new Land Titles system that became the Torrens (?) system. There are remnants of concepts like adverse possession and such. Any clues or hints on how to bring land out of the post 1946 legislated system is what I am looking for. I thinking about how it would be possible, if it would be possible to identify what is currently called crown land and a way to take possession of it or some form of protective custody on behalf of the queen. Offer to compensate you for expenses plus still stands.

[palani]

Don't own crown land. Take something they haven't offered ... the watershed.


http://www.transitionnetwork.org/sites/default/files/uploaded/u11938/BofR_Watershed.jpg


We want watersheds to enter the national consciousness and for people to take responsibility for these bio-regions, which means protecting them from pollution, seeing them as living systems, managing the natural and human resources within them well, valuing them as their basins of relations and feeling bounded once more by the natural world.

[Ponce]

OK, OK, Glass..........I'll send then to the both of you.....like I told you, is not a matter of money.........ufffffffff making do all this work for nothing.......may you walk upsidedown for the rest of your life on the land down under hahahahahahahahah.

[osoab]

OK, OK, Glass..........I'll send then to the both of you.....like I told you, is not a matter of money.........ufffffffff making do all this work for nothing.......may you walk upsidedown for the rest of your life on the land down under hahahahahahahahah.

You needing a case of tp Ponce?

[Ponce]

Another reason to have a "Land Patent".......a while back a guy here in oregon went to jail for therty days for "stealing" rain water from his own land, if he had had a "Land Patent" he then could have used all the rain water from his own land that he had wanted...............Like I have been saying for a long time now....."Learn Spanish and Chinese and buy water stoks", the real future of the world will be all about water, REMEMBER THAT, so that being able to use water will become very important.

Also remember that you could build whatever you wanted without a "building permit".

[Ponce]

OK, the following names will be going out next week...........this thread is closed.

Smith, Tylka, Teran, Macculup, Miller, Revitch, Hippler, HMG, Hanadele and Mary Jones..........any trouble? call me.

[GeneBlaze]

You're going to burn that mailing list, right?

[Ponce]

You're going to burn that mailing list, right?


No, going to give it to the Home Land Security in order for the to go after the traitors who don't want to support the 1%.

Hhahahahahahahah.......already done it Blaze........all the kits are now ready to go, 13 from this site and 11 from two more sites........Monday is a holyday so that they will go out on tuesday, those in the US should get them the week after that.

And the ones "down under?"......who knows, you peopole live in a upsidedown world :)

The citation for this operation applies to the whole of the US.....but......the power to be will NOT WANT to register it, it is the law that THEY HAVE TO REGISTER any document place before them so that it is important for you to display it in the bulletin board in the court house for 60 days ( remember to have a COPY on the bulletin board and to have it signed by the person placing it there whey you put it up, dated and when taken down plus their signature) before taking the documents to the registar........again, you can type a one page letter that says "Micky Mouse is a SOB" and if the registar don't want to do it the HE IS BREAKING THE LAW. So don't let them give you any crap.

Upper right hand copy to be placed on bulletin boarad write "TRUE COPY" and your signature under it.

Those who may want a copy of the Land Patent? get in contact with one of your buddies here and tell them to make a copy for you..........any problem, call me...........last post till Oct 8........no more pm please, love and kisses :) Ponce

[Hatha Sunahara]

Thank you Ponce. Just got it in the mail. Gonna read it over the weekend, and start first thing on monday morning.


Hatha

[Glass]

ok so I posted the kit to Drop Box.

I linked to it in this thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63508-Get-off-your-butts-about-your-Land-Patent-to-be&p=572497&viewfull=1#post572497

Still need confirmation that the file, downloading etc is A-OK

[Hillbilly]

ok so I posted the kit to Drop Box.

I linked to it in this thread: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63508-Get-off-your-butts-about-your-Land-Patent-to-be&p=572497&viewfull=1#post572497

Still need confirmation that the file, downloading etc is A-OK

works great thanks

[Glass]

Sorry everyone. I've taken the file off line. Will post it again tomorrow when I can re do it.