Ron Paul Dumps Republican Party

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul Recants The GOP, Just Says No To Keynesians (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ron-paul-recants-gop-just-says-no-keynesians)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 08/31/2012 08:26 -0400


As we anticipate more demand-rigging, pump-priming, can-kicking experiments from Bernanke today, Ron Paul just came out with his latest stream of truthiness (via Bloomberg):



*REP. PAUL SAYS BOTH PARTIES KEYNESIANS, GOP 'NOT HIS
PARTY'
*REP. PAUL SAYS FED PRICE FIXING
*REP. PAUL SAYS FED FLOODING MARKET WITH MONEY


Indeed, what is the opposite of 'between a rock and a hard place' when deciding on just who will provide 'change' in November.

[Libertytree]

I wish he'd come right out and do it/say it!

[JohnQPublic]

Is an independent run possible at this point?

[Hatha Sunahara]

I saw a TV ad yesterday from Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee who was wooing Ron Paul to run as his VP candidate.

That is a very smart thing for Gary Johnson to do. He would get all the Ron Paul supporters plus a whole lot more disaffected republicans. It isn't over for Ron Paul. He's not endorsing Mitt for Brains. Also, as he was due to fly out of St Petersburg, the TSA was giving him and his family some harassment before allowing them to get on the plane.


Hatha

[mamboni]

Is an independent run possible at this point?

Yes, but most unlikely. Paul is tired and no doubt discouraged. The people are not ready for his message and his leadership. There will have to be much more misery and suffering under the new anointed one before a critical mass of people will say enough is enough. It will probably be too late at that point. Frankly, I think we have already passed beyond the point of no return, economically, fiscally and politically.

[Libertytree]

Here's the Bloomberg Video cited by Durden, sorry no embed.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ron-paul-on-mitt-romney-federal-reserve-policy-PzN1pGfZTSiH2hCKVxx6VA.html

An indy run is not feasible at this point, too many sore loser laws and too late in the game. But joining up with the LP would sure poke a stick up the GOP's ass :)

[Errosion Of Accord]

Is an independent run possible at this point?

No. Too many varying state rules.

[JohnQPublic]

If RP did it, I might consider voting that ticket. Maybe they could switch positions (Gary Johnson VP, Ron Paul Pres.)?

Personally, I don't think Ron Paul would do that.

[Libertytree]

I'll vote GJ either way, if Ron got on board that'd be even better. The only reason I'm even voting is out of spite, hoping that the numbers (IF reported honestly) will send a BIG FY to the GOP. After this though I'm done and will be un-registering.

[JohnQPublic]

If that happened, Obama would win, and the Libertarian Party would get by far the biggest victory in its history (I would guess 10-20% of voters, maybe even a bit more).

[Libertytree]

GJ/LP will still get a HUGE bump in votes even if RP isn't on the ballot, there's a huge segment of RP'ers, indy's, D's and some R's that are defecting. Yeah, they'll blame the RP'ers but they know they lost it all on their own and probably on purpose.

[Sparky]

I'll vote GJ either way, if Ron got on board that'd be even better. The only reason I'm even voting is out of spite, hoping that the numbers (IF reported honestly) will send a BIG FY to the GOP. After this though I'm done and will be un-registering.

In 2008, I wrote in Ron Paul's name. (As well as the primaries in 2008 and 2012). But voting for Gary Johnson as the headline name on the Libertarian ticket might actually be a better strategy this time around. More of an expression that the two-party system is a corrupt bank-owned scam. Good idea LT. Hold off on un-registering; this may be a strategy to build upon.

[sunshine05]

We're voting for Johnson too. In fact, I was just about to put my new bumper sticker on my car that the campaign sent us after making a contribution:).

[VX1]

Why doesn't the Constitution Party get more traction here? Seems to fit our general ideals a bit better than the Libertarian Party, who seem to only want to support supposively reformed Republicans.

[goldleaf]

I'm now voting for Virgil Goode, Constitution Party.The Libertarian Party wants to let everybody do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt or bother someone else, even if it is morally wrong,..... baby killing, queers marrying, etc. The impression I got from Ron Paul was that he was personally against these things. The states rights he promoted made me think that possibly there could become a state that I would want to live in.

[horseshoe3]

I'm all for letting people do their own thing as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. In that sense, I could be a libertarian. The sad fact is that the Libertarian party supports abortion and that definitely hurts someone else.

I understand that there are a lot of pro life libertarian candidates, but Johnson is not one of them. This time around, I'll probably just stay home.

I hope the mindless sheep republicans are happy with where their voting strategy has gotten them. Not one of the top three parties fielded a pro life candidate this time. It was supposed to be a flagship issue for these people.

[Libertytree]

I'm now voting for Virgil Goode, Constitution Party.The Libertarian Party wants to let everybody do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt or bother someone else, even if it is morally wrong,..... baby killing, queers marrying, etc. The impression I got from Ron Paul was that he was personally against these things. The states rights he promoted made me think that possibly there could become a state that I would want to live in.

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a state that reflected how you thought? That's how it was set up by the founders unless I'm very mistaken. All 50 states could drive in the best direction for themselves and we'd all have a choice. Me, I prefer to let God sort out the morals as I'm not fit to judge anyone and they're not fit to judge me. The majority of my voting life has been with the LP for that very reason but that's not to say that I agree with everything that hard core libertarians think either.

[midnight rambler]

At this point, why do you people even concern yourselves* with 'voting'?? ??? lol

*I defy you to name ONE good reason for 'voting' (other than for county offices).

[Libertytree]

At this point, why do you people even concern yourselves* with 'voting'?? ??? lol

*I defy you to name ONE good reason for 'voting' (other than for county offices).

I reckon that it's just one of the old remnants that even us "types" have held onto, for better or worse, right or wrong. At this point I wouldn't even put up an argument to try and defy your challenge except for the small caveat that it made me feel a little better for some stupid, strange reason, even though I know I know better.

On a related note...Let it not be said that millions of us didn't try to work within the system only to have the system tell us to fuck off and when the SHTF I can act accordingly with a very clean conscious. After what I've witnessed this go round I understand that there are NO rules and I will make my own up as I see fit when I see fit.

[Hatha Sunahara]

On a related note...Let it not be said that millions of us didn't try to work within the system only to have the system tell us to fuck off and when the SHTF I can act accordingly with a very clean conscious. After what I've witnessed this go round I understand that there are NO rules and I will make my own up as I see fit when I see fit.

Why not make it reciprocal? Tell them to fuck off. Remove yourself from the voting rolls. I think eventually, many millions will figure that one out and do it. No harm in being an 'early adopter'.

Hatha

[Horn]

J. Ventura had the best idea of doing away with parties all together.

Would that be Libertarian, or Puritan?

[AndreaGail]

J. Ventura had the best idea of doing away with parties all together.

Would that be Libertarian, or Puritan?

but then how would the millions of mindless masses know who to vote and cheer for without a trusty R or D next to their name as a point of reference :D

[JohnQPublic]

J. Ventura had the best idea of doing away with parties all together.

Would that be Libertarian, or Puritan?

Neither. It would be a good idea. The only viable option is to go to a multi-party system and depend on coalitions. My hope is that the Republican party basically just killed itself, which could lead to another party or two.

[iOWNme]

'Voting' is political allegiance to this system. Do you morally align yourself with the 10 Planks? Because that is what you live under.

No one man is going to or can change this system. It will take 100 million INDIVIDUALS to decide to start living their lives responsibly and without Government handouts OF ALL KINDS.

I will repeat it: If you vote or are registered to do so you fully support the Communist Manifesto, you fully support the DEATH of the Individual and you fully support the abolition of Private Property, because those are the tenents of this system.

Do the right thing, and politically GET OUT of the United States.

[DMac]

It's time to revive the Anti-Federalist party.

Dead Rabbits 2016

[JohnQPublic]

'Voting' is political allegeince to this system. Do you morally align yourself with the 10 Planks? Because that is what you live under.

No one man is going to or can change this system. It will take 100 million INDIVIDUALS to decide to start living their lives responsibly and without Government handouts OF ALL KINDS.

I will repeat it: If you vote or are registered to do so you fully support the Communist Manifesto, you fully support the DEATH of the Individual and you fully support the abolition of Private Property, because those are the tenents of this system.

Do the right thing, and politically GET OUT of the United States.

If that is true, then so is using Federal Reserve Notes, owning a passport, driving on interstate highways, etc.

"...And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark..."

[VX1]

Neither. It would be a good idea. The only viable option is to go to a multi-party system and depend on coalitions. My hope is that the Republican party basically just killed itself, which could lead to another party or two.

Well, the Tea Party was born, but was quickly co-opted by the GOP and money powers. How is that not going to happen again? We can call the parties whatever we want, but the only ones that will ever be in the face of the voting cattle will be the ones supported by those with the printing presses. Watch out, here comes the Libertarian Express.

[JohnQPublic]

Well, the Tea Party was born, but was quickly co-opted by the GOP and money powers. How is that not going to happen again? We can call the parties whatever we want, but the only ones that will ever be in the face of the voting cattle will be the ones supported by those with the printing presses. Watch out, here comes the Libertarian Express.

True, what a disappointment. But, the Tea Party is not a political party.

[Shami-Amourae]

J. Ventura had the best idea of doing away with parties all together.

Would that be Libertarian, or Puritan?

He endorsed Gary Johnson you know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWLRm5E8rmk

I'm seriously looking at Gary Johnson. I don't give a fuck about abortion personally. It's none of my business. I know he wont win, but it's a protest vote.

The point is to show our Masters how unhappy we are with our slavery. Maybe they can throw us a carrot or an apple into our pen to calm us down. My slave collar is sweaty on my neck today by the way.

[Horn]

Neither. It would be a good idea. The only viable option is to go to a multi-party system and depend on coalitions. My hope is that the Republican party basically just killed itself, which could lead to another party or two.

Or go with an Original Founders party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

[Shami-Amourae]

I think it should be called the "Less Government For Reals Party". That way the Elite will have a harder time explaining away when they infiltrate it and have their Uber-Statist Warmonger plants always win elections.

[Sparky]

At this point, why do you people even concern yourselves* with 'voting'?? ??? lol

*I defy you to name ONE good reason for 'voting' (other than for county offices).

The problem with not voting is that you get lumped in with the huge group of people who are just too fucking lazy or uninformed to vote, so your non-vote will get interpreted as such. In fact, the opportunity to vote legitimately is a good thing, but the problem is that it's legitimacy has been corrupted. By voting for a party outside the corrupt entrenched Republicans and Democrats, you are expressing that you value your right to vote, but you refuse to comply with the stranglehold two-party paradigm by bothering to take the time and effort to vote against it.

Look at it this way. Your action is going to be interpreted as supporting one of these four groups:

% of Republican Slaves
% of Democrat Slaves
% of People Refusing to submit to corrupt two-party slavery
% of Stupid Lazy People

You don't want to be confused as part of that last group. With each passing election, you'd like to see a bigger percentage appearing in that third group. That third group is your "candidate", even if it includes votes for Jill Stein, because it represents a movement toward busting up the century-long two-party headlock.

Also, the "not voting" route is too fatalistic. It's inconsistent with the ApocalOptimist philosophy! ;)

[Sparky]

He endorsed Gary Johnson you know.
...
I'm seriously looking at Gary Johnson. I don't give a fuck about abortion personally. It's none of my business. I know he wont win, but it's a protest vote.

The point is to show our Masters how unhappy we are with our slavery. Maybe they can throw us a carrot or an apple into our pen to calm us down. My slave collar is sweaty on my neck today by the way.

I'm starting to like this Gary Johnson idea.

[Horn]

Also, the "not voting" route is too fatalistic. It's inconsistent with the ApocalOptimist philosophy! ;)

What if you just voted within your state run elections, and nothing for the National Administration/Presidential.

As it is a position dictatorial in nature, to pushing a red button.

[midnight rambler]

The problem with not voting is that you get lumped in with the huge group of people who are just too fucking lazy or uninformed to vote, so your non-vote will get interpreted as such.

The 'vote' of each of these characters in the images below counts every bit as much as yours. lol The joke's on you! lolololololol

http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/obama-t-shirts02.jpghttp://bobmccarty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/obama-supporters-mug-shots.jpg

[JohnQPublic]

The 'vote' of each of these characters in the images below counts every bit as much as yours. lol The joke's on you! lolololololol



And who is assigned to determine who should vote?

[midnight rambler]

And who is assigned to determine who should vote?

The way America started out one could only 'vote' as an 'elector' if: 1) one was a man, and 2) one owned land.

Now 'those *assigned* to determine who should vote' want to include illegal aliens...oops, pardon me, I believe the term is now 'undocumented aliens'.

[Libertytree]

The problem with not voting is that you get lumped in with the huge group of people who are just too fucking lazy or uninformed to vote, so your non-vote will get interpreted as such. In fact, the opportunity to vote legitimately is a good thing, but the problem is that it's legitimacy has been corrupted. By voting for a party outside the corrupt entrenched Republicans and Democrats, you are expressing that you value your right to vote, but you refuse to comply with the stranglehold two-party paradigm by bothering to take the time and effort to vote against it.

Look at it this way. Your action is going to be interpreted as supporting one of these four groups:

% of Republican Slaves
% of Democrat Slaves
% of People Refusing to submit to corrupt two-party slavery
% of Stupid Lazy People

You don't want to be confused as part of that last group. With each passing election, you'd like to see a bigger percentage appearing in that third group. That third group is your "candidate", even if it includes votes for Jill Stein, because it represents a movement toward busting up the century-long two-party headlock.

Also, the "not voting" route is too fatalistic. It's inconsistent with the ApocalOptimist philosophy! ;)

I've thought those same things but anymore I'm thinking they'll just report the same ol' byline "the LP got .0001% of the vote" nothing to see here move along, you wasted your vote etc.. When we can see how openly the system is rigged and how little anyone cares to look even just a little it's damn disheartening. The crap the GOP pulled was in full view of everyone and what happened? NOTHING! The silence is deafening and that silence is pure complicity...what else can explain it? And to imagine that all this happened in this age of technology! This shit would have been yelled from the rooftops a 100 yrs ago and the scum would have been called to account.

[JohnQPublic]

The way America started out one could only 'vote' as an 'elector' if: 1) one was a man, and 2) one owned land.



I don't think the "man" thingy is going to go over too well these days.

I think the original idea was "one vote per responsible family". Right now a lot of couples cancel each other's votes (and that is probably by design).

[midnight rambler]

I don't think the "man" thingy is going to go over too well these days.

I think the original idea was "one vote per responsible family". Right now a lot of couples cancel each other's votes (and that is probably by design).

Well, that's the root of the problem, isn't it?

[Sparky]

The 'vote' of each of these characters in the images below counts every bit as much as yours. lol The joke's on you! lolololololol



That's my point. Half of that freak show is going to end up in Group 2, and the other half in Group 4. That's why I'm aiming to be in Group 3. Their vote may count as much as mine, but if I end up in their category, I'm doubling the value of their vote, rather than offsetting it.

[midnight rambler]

That's my point. Half of that freak show is going to end up in Group 2, and the other half in Group 4. That's why I'm aiming to be in Group 3. Their vote may count as much as mine, but if I end up in their category, I'm doubling the value of their vote, rather than offsetting it.

Love your cherished delusions.

I learned my lesson 20 years ago with Perot. If they can cap (neutralize) Perot* and his billions...I have an analogy for ya - dream into one hand and **** into the other, see which one fills up first.

fwiw, there's no time for your 'plan' to work itself out, time's up. There are WAY too many people invested in/receiving benefits from either side of the beast system (and they are NOT giving up what they're emotionally involved in - PERIOD) for there EVER to be anything like you envision. You're only kidding yourself.

*I was there in the very beginning with Perot (as close as one could get to the top of the PPC), and in the very beginning Perot was *intent* on launching a 3rd party via real grassroots (which ultimately became the Reform Party) - and as only one example, due to the grassroots getting Perot on the ballad in Texas, the two whore parties passed legislation in the Texas Lege which substantially raised the bar for someone to get on the ballot via the petition process, i.e. as a 3rd party candidate.

[Horn]

That's why I'm aiming to be in Group 3. Their vote may count as much as mine, but if I end up in their category, I'm doubling the value of their vote, rather than offsetting it.

Next you will be expecting me to come in your bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0IdxytsOE

[iOWNme]

The way America started out one could only 'vote' as an 'elector' if: 1) one was a man, and 2) one owned land.

Now 'those *assigned* to determine who should vote' want to include illegal aliens...oops, pardon me, I believe the term is now 'undocumented aliens'.

Dont forget TAXES....

ONLY White male land owners could vote, because only white male land owners PAID TAXES.


Ive said this here a MILLION times:

If your elected officials were going to do their only job of protecting the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic then why do you care WHO is in office? Dem/Repub, male/female, old/young, red hair/brown hair would make NO DIFFERENCE if they actually did their job.

Do we see the scam yet?

[JohnQPublic]

Dont forget TAXES....

ONLY White male land owners could vote, because only white male land owners PAID TAXES.

Property taxes I presume?

[Half Sense]

Ron Paul should just start his own political party. He should cal it the Ronpaulian Party; that way all the Fox News creeps won't want to co-opt it.

[JohnQPublic]

I statrted a little argument with Steve Goddard, a well known AGW skeptic. Our discussion was degrading into an insult fest, so I invited him over here. I don't know if he will come. Here is our discussion up to this posting (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127170):

(http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127170)
(http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127170)



August 31, 2012 at 11:55 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-126511)
I thought you truthers were supposed to stick to correcting true statements about Obama (with spin), not creating new lies about Romney.

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http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c82e9fc7b6d1fdc47a862b4d54de3f16?s=40&d=identicon&r=G JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:
September 1, 2012 at 1:35 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127170)
Same as 2008: The few oligarchs who control the 2 parties and pick our candidates for us picked two candidates who have a potential constitutional conflict. Granted if the supreme court would hear a case or two these issues may be settled, but they won’t here it.
In 2008, both Obama and McCain had potential natural born citizen issues (recall McCain got a “statement” from the senate that his situation was not an issue).
Funny that in 2012 it comes around again (Mitt’s father may not have been a citizen when Mitt was born, making natural born citizen status questionable).
It could be a case of the oligarchs wanting both potential dictators to have a weakness that can be manipulated if required to “convince” them of their position on any given issue.




http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c82e9fc7b6d1fdc47a862b4d54de3f16?s=40&d=identicon&r=G JohnQ (http://gold-silver.us/forum) says:
August 31, 2012 at 7:44 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-126988)
Romney is a facist that stole the nomination. The entire convention was scripted, even to the point that the teleprompter scrolled “the ayes have it” before Boehner responded, etc. Look how the state conventions were handled, and the convenient last minute rules changes. They were so scared of Ron Paul, that they exposed their corruption for all to see. Are you blind? Use the same skepticism you use for climate change and apply it to politics.

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http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36b3bcefb4436729aa142e4aa250c27?s=40&d=identicon&r=G stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com) says:
August 31, 2012 at 7:45 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-126990)
Obama supporter.

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http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c82e9fc7b6d1fdc47a862b4d54de3f16?s=40&d=identicon&r=G JohnQ (http://gold-silver.us/forum) says:
August 31, 2012 at 8:51 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127036)
Not at all. Paul supporter.
http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c82e9fc7b6d1fdc47a862b4d54de3f16?s=40&d=identicon&r=G JohnQ (http://gold-silver.us/forum) says:
August 31, 2012 at 8:53 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127037)
I do understand your argument by the way (reject Mitty, support Obama by default). But you know what?
Obama =~ Mitt
In terms of the important things (like are we supporting America or Israel, the Fed, NDAA and police staste, etc.), there is not real difference.
http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36b3bcefb4436729aa142e4aa250c27?s=40&d=identicon&r=G stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com) says:
August 31, 2012 at 9:24 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127057)
Paul supporter == Obama supporter


http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/4a3938fead7e2ab191fe1a8764b3ae47?s=40&d=identicon&r=G  Don Sutherland says:
August 31, 2012 at 10:53 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127103)
Governor Romney is not a fascist nor did he “steal” the nomination. He received both the largest number of votes during the campaign and the largest number of delegates. As for Ron Paul, he lost because he was unable to build support beyond the his narrow but passionate base. One needs broad support to have a chance to win the nomination. Republican voters were looking for a candidate whom they believed offered the combination of ideas, practical experience, leadership, and integrity to make an effective President. In 2012, Gov. Romney was able to make a successful case on those attributes to enough Republican voters to gain the nomination. When one’s preferred candidate loses, one need not automatically assume that somehow the race was “stolen.” Even President Reagan, who enjoys enormous affection among Republicans and Conservatives, did not win all his elections (e.g., 1976 primary). Reagan’s supporters did not claim that the election was “stolen.” They celebrated the competitive finish to the race and built a foundation for electoral success in 1980.

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JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:

September 1, 2012 at 1:23 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127162)
Paul won the Iowa caucus. We heard Mitt did, then suddenly Santorum. Well the truth is Paul did. Variations of this weer repeated in other states. Plus, the rule was that if teh candidate carried 5 states, he would be up for nomination. This is the rule the delegates and caucus/primary voters voted under. Just before the convention, the Republican [fascist] party changed the rule to 8 states. They tried for 10 states, but this was defeated.
The truth is it is the parties that are the issue. A very few individuals get to decide for the only two viable parties (republicrat and demipublican) who we all get to vote for, and it is very clear how devious, corrupt, and fascist they are. This story will be told in the coming weeks and many (who put the good of the country over their narrow self interests, and have the open mind to see the evidence) will see this as a fact.
The truth is that we are an oligarchy, and their power has been exposed thanks to Paul.




JohnQ (http://gold-silver.us/forum) says:

August 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127076)
Mitt Supporter == facism supporter

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stevengoddard (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com) says:

August 31, 2012 at 9:57 pm (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127077)
You obviously want to see Obama reelected. What a moron.

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JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:

September 1, 2012 at 1:26 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127166)
We could go at this ad infinitum, but it would be counter-productive. I appreciate your work on climate science, but we need to agree to disagree on this, unless you want to come over to my forum to discuss it (we have a few threads going).
JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:

September 1, 2012 at 1:28 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127167)
And frankly, I don’t care, nor do I expect any substantive difference whether Obama or Romney are elected. Election after election, the few people with strings to the two parties give us crap candidates to vote for who represent not us, but the oligarchs. If it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and vote for Mitt.
JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:

September 1, 2012 at 1:50 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127180)
[Video posted by Steal is here]
JohnQ (http://www.gold-silver.us/forum) says:

September 1, 2012 at 1:59 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127183)
If you want to come over, join the forum, and maybe start here:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63319-Ron-Paul-Dumps-Republican-Party&p=569593&viewfull=1#post569593






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[horseshoe3]

they'll just report the same ol' byline "the LP got .0001% of the vote" nothing to see here move along, you wasted your vote etc..

This is a prime example of how controlling the media allows them to control the people. It wouldn't matter if 80% of the population supported RP. As long as they can keep us from seeing each other they win. They can convince each of us that we are alone and cannot make any difference on our own. So we don't try. No one wants to stick his neck out if he can be convince that no one will follow his lead.

Over the last 4+ years, I can't count how many people I've talked to who completely agree with RP's positions, but they ended up voting for another candidate because of "electability." I try to tell them that RP would be more electable than any other republican if people would vote their conscience. They look at me as if we are the only two people in the country who like RP and I'm crazy for wasting my vote while they do the "responsible" thing and vote for frothy.

[JohnQPublic]

This is a prime example of how controlling the media allows them to control the people. It wouldn't matter if 80% of the population supported RP. As long as they can keep us from seeing each other they win. They can convince each of us that we are alone and cannot make any difference on our own. So we don't try. No one wants to stick his neck out if he can be convince that no one will follow his lead.

Over the last 4+ years, I can't count how many people I've talked to who completely agree with RP's positions, but they ended up voting for another candidate because of "electability." I try to tell them that RP would be more electable than any other republican if people would vote their conscience. They look at me as if we are the only two people in the country who like RP and I'm crazy for wasting my vote while they do the "responsible" thing and vote for frothy.

Steve Goddard [pseudonym perhaps], an otherwise intelligent person is in that position.

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[vacuum]

lol, our government is so illegitimate compared to the developed world

http://s13.postimage.org/jus921tvb/turnout.png

[Horn]

I statrted a little argument with Steve Goddard, a well known AGW skeptic. Our discussion was degrading into an insult fest, so I invited him over here. I don't know if he will come. Here is our discussion up to this posting (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-127170):

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August 31, 2012 at 11:55 am (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/yes-you-built-that/#comment-126511)
I thought you truthers were supposed to stick to correcting true statements about Obama (with spin), not creating new lies about Romney.



This guy isn't interested in the truth,

these types are into Marvel Comics Captain America, and watching Newton's cradle click back and forth on their desk.

[Sparky]

Vacuum's voting table shows that not voting doesn't help. An analogy would be if your store keeps getting robbed, you stop bothering to lock the door because it seems pointless. You're just making it easier for the criminals.

I understand your point about not voting. If you were only allowed to vote for either Democrat or Republican, I'd support not voting. But you can become part of the "other" vote, either via another party, or write-in.

[Horn]

I understand your point about not voting. If you were only allowed to vote for either Democrat or Republican, I'd support not voting. But you can become part of the "other" vote, either via another party, or write-in.

So you do believe in dictatorship powers fueling nuclear war, and the Apocalypse.

[BrewTech]

The problem with not voting is that you get lumped in with the huge group of people who are just too fucking lazy or uninformed to vote,

Those are exactly the people that ARE voting, Sparky.

[Libertytree]

Those are exactly the people that ARE voting, Sparky.

So BT, do you think I'm lazy and uninformed?

When was the last time you voted? Were you a retard then? I'm going to vote one more time and until then I reckon I'm a stupid fuck.

[Horn]

I'm going to vote one more time and until then I reckon I'm a stupid fuck.

Congratulations! :)

[gunDriller]

Yes, but most unlikely. Paul is tired and no doubt discouraged. The people are not ready for his message and his leadership. There will have to be much more misery and suffering under the new anointed one before a critical mass of people will say enough is enough. It will probably be too late at that point. Frankly, I think we have already passed beyond the point of no return, economically, fiscally and politically.


i think if Ron Paul had made it to the Repub. nomination, he would beat Obama.

hence the enormous expenditure to put Romney in the GOP slot.

[Sparky]

So you do believe in dictatorship powers fueling nuclear war, and the Apocalypse.

Right, that's exactly where I'm coming from. Jeesh.

[Sparky]

Those are exactly the people that ARE voting, Sparky.

Those are the people that are voting D/R. Jeez, this isn't that hard a concept.

[Golden]

Stop The Revolution Start The Evolution

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAdw8xV8ICs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAdw8xV8ICs
Published on Aug 31, 2012 by TruthNeverTold

To Ron Paul Supporters: I'm Sorry

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbyHvNsHHU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbyHvNsHHU
Published on Aug 31, 2012 by stefbot

"The only winning move is not to play."

[Bigjon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU&feature=player_embedded

[Libertytree]

Congratulations! :)

And where in that sentence do you see that I was addressing you? Besides, you have no dog in this fight, you cut tail and ran.

[BrewTech]

So BT, do you think I'm lazy and uninformed?

When was the last time you voted? Were you a retard then? I'm going to vote one more time and until then I reckon I'm a stupid fuck.

You know what I meant. Perhaps I should have qualified the statement with "generally speaking".

I last voted in 2008. I also gave RP's campaign a sizable amount of financial support. I also took a day off work to go stand in the rain to see him speak in San Diego.

I agree with those that contend that by voting, one gives their consent to be governed based on the results of the "election".

Since the entire campaign/election system is rigged and fake, (like most everything in this place known as the U.S. ), I choose to opt out, and not give my consent.

[Libertytree]

You know what I meant. Perhaps I should have qualified the statement with "generally speaking".

I last voted in 2008. I also gave RP's campaign a sizable amount of financial support. I also took a day off work to go stand in the rain to see him speak in San Diego.

I agree with those that contend that by voting, one gives their consent to be governed based on the results of the "election".

Since the entire campaign/election system is rigged and fake, (like most everything in this place known as the U.S. ), I choose to opt out, and not give my consent.

That's cool BT, I understand where you're coming from and I'm gradually getting to where you and many others are. I just don't see much difference in playing the game one way or another if it's rigged, with the exception of being in the registered voter rolls...and as far as I know that only opens you up to serving jury duty. I could be wrong about that too though.

[Tumbleweed]

If Ron Paul would decide to run with Gary Johnson I'd vote for them. To hell with those other SOB's

[midnight rambler]

A few GSUSers are still learning the definition of insanity. Eventually it will sink in.

[Libertytree]

According to the majority of people from a longtime ago I've been certifiable since then, no reason not to be consistent.

[Sparky]

A few GSUSers are still learning the definition of insanity. Eventually it will sink in.
What will sink in? That the game is rigged? Who here doesn't know that?

Which of these results is a bigger threat to our current corrupt system:

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 5%
No Vote 45%

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 25%
No Vote 25%

[midnight rambler]

What will sink in? That the game is rigged? Who here doesn't know that?

Which of these results is a bigger threat to our current corrupt system:

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 5%
No Vote 45%

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 25%
No Vote 25%

Apparently what you're not getting is that in order to 'participate' in this nonsense (as a 'registered voter') one has to swear under the pains and penalties of perjury that one is a 'U.S. citizen' (under the FRAUDULENT 14th Amendment). Once one has become aware of the total and complete fraud of the 14th Amendment one would necessarily have to be an utter fool to claim to be a 'U.S. citizen' in light of the facts of the matter.

That said, do you claim complete ignorance of the fraud of the 14th Amendment?? ('cause it's either that or apparently you're an utter fool)

[BrewTech]

What will sink in? That the game is rigged? Who here doesn't know that?

Which of these results is a bigger threat to our current corrupt system:

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 5%
No Vote 45%

Obama 25%
Romney 25%
EveryoneElse 25%
No Vote 25%

That's assuming the votes are tallied correctly.

I have ZERO reason to believe that they are.

[mick silver]

so you guys keep thinking any other party can win , the only party that will win will be the welfare party . i once gave money for no reason i see this now . to the point i dont give a fuck who win now there all the same

[midnight rambler]

so you guys keep thinking any other party can win , the only party that will win will be the welfare party . i once gave money for no reason i see this now . to the point i dont give a fuck who win now there all the same

'Welfare party' = entitlement party, which has two wings, i.e. 'the world owes me so hand it over suckers', and the other, 'I've got mine, give me more, screw the rest of you suckers' - either way it breaks down to "from those according to their ability, to those according to their need", the very easiest form of manipulation imo.

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdU3MOZzdY0&feature=g-user-u