Where would you move to?

[EE_]

I'm getting ready to make a move...tell me the best states and the cities in them you find most attractive. Factor in cost, mild winters, ability to grow things and recreation.

The middle of the country is a disaster so it's out.
Severe winters are out.

[Shami-Amourae]

When I finally get off my lazy, paranoid ass, and have enough money I'll be moving too. I feel like I'm getting closer, but I've been saying I want to move for a couple years now.

Based on my research I wanted to check out South/South East Idaho (Twin Falls/Pocatello.) If that doesn't work you can always live with Mr. Bill (http://www.youtube.com/user/donze52) in SW Nebraska.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Winters are out? You know zombies freeze solid don't you?

[DMac]

EE- this is a question very close to my own issues. If you could take your job anywhere in the world and continue to get your US based salary, where would you go?

Leaving the tri-state area is a tough one for me. Too much family...but sometimes you have to lead and let them follow or get out of the way.

If only I liked cold weather this would be an easy call. But I don't like severe winters either. I like water, that's a definite and it needs to be close.

Tough tough call man. Believe me, I feel ya on wtf to go?

[EE_]

EE- this is a question very close to my own issues. If you could take your job anywhere in the world and continue to get your US based salary, where would you go?

Leaving the tri-state area is a tough one for me. Too much family...but sometimes you have to lead and let them follow or get out of the way.

If only I liked cold weather this would be an easy call. But I don't like severe winters either. I like water, that's a definite and it needs to be close.

Tough tough call man. Believe me, I feel ya on wtf to go?

For me, work is not an issue. I'm looking for quality of life, a quaint smaller city/town with lower home prices and low property taxes.
I feel like I have a small window to make this move to get out and in to another home before things change or the shtf. I'm staying in the US.
I would like to be near lakes, rivers and mountains.

[DMac]

For me, work is not an issue. I'm looking for quality of life, a quaint smaller city/town with lower home prices and low property taxes.
I feel like I have a small window to make this move to get out and in to another home before things change or the shtf. I'm staying in the US.
I would like to be near lakes, rivers and mountains.

I hope you are given some great ideas because we share some similar thoughts.

[mamboni]

The Ozarks.

[Dogman]

The Ozarks. Agreed, kinda thin on the jobs but pure eye candy and made for scooters that like twisty roads. Several of the kind if you run off the road, its a long trip bouncing down to the bottom of the hollow!

[madfranks]

This free country should be on your radar… (http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/this-free-country-should-be-on-your-radar-8521/)

[milehi]

Somewhere in the Verde Valley.

[JDRock]

warm weather brings people,especially browns like cockroaches. to find a warm predominantly white area means waay high real estate prices/taxes.
i chose wyoming (th northwest part) because:
NO st income tax ... almost all white (for now)...
no gun laws concealed carry or otherwise.
like minded fvk the feds mentality everywhere.
more elk than people
more cattle than people
tons of rivers lakes streams all pure, none polluted.
literally more millions of acres of wilderness than we could explore in a lifetime.

it gets cold, but its a dry cold...nothing compared to the midwest .
jmho.

[Horn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski,_Tennessee

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pulowski_Preservation_shelter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski,_Tennessee)

[Osiris]

Somewhere in the Verde Valley.

That's where I would go...

[big country]

West Virginia. (I might be biased)

Closeish to "stuff" on the east coast that you may want to do/vacation to and you can drive instead of fly. Low population, Mostly white, good people (a little redneck). Cheap houses and low taxes. For example the house we bought last year (built in 1993) is 1120 sqft (with a full basement not included) so 2240 total living area with 18 acres. Paid $88.5k, Property taxes are $500/yr and we now have the "farm" tax rate so our taxes will be $200/yr as long as we can show $1000 in "farm products" per year. (We did hay from 2.5 acres...350 sq bales @ $3 each = $1050 the trick is you dont actually have to SELL them, just produce them and value what they are worth to YOU)

Not so freaking cold and not so freaking hot....right in the middle. Can get down to 0 or sub0 for a few days per winter, but not harsh...
Zone 5-6 depending on where in the state so most things grow just fine (citrus cannot survive the winter outside)

Lots of "recreation" here if you like redneck recreation. I can walk out my back door and go shooting, drinking, 4 wheeling etc. Mountain biking in popular in the state (plenty of mountains...) as is white water rafting down the New River. Lots of fishing lakes if that is your thing and big reseviors suitable for high-speed boating/tubing/skiing. Snow skiing also is available in the winter time, again with the mountains.

Decent wages for blue collar jobs (Oil and gas and coal mining) if that is your thing.

Not drought conditions like in the midwest. I've gotten plenty of rain this summer. Just right actually, didn't even need to water my garden after getting it established in the spring.

Castle Doctrine

Cons:
vehicle "saftey" inspections piss me off. Forces you to go to a garage once a year to have some asshole tell you your "oil cooling lines" (which my truck doesn't even have...) need replaced and you will fail the inspection unless you do it. I took it to another garage and they passed it with no issues. Just annoying. No emissions testing though, just petty stuff like not enough tread left on the tires so you have to buy new ones, etc...They usually try to get you on "bad wheel bearings" because they can fail you for that...and they're cheap parts but expensive to replace. Its a state sponsored bailout to mechanics/garages IMO.
Need CCW to conceal carry, $90 tribute to the sheriff to get it, plus a fee to "reprint" if you move counties (tribute to the new sheriff)
Democrats control most aspects of the government of the state (but we know it doesn't matter if red or blue).

[Shami-Amourae]

warm weather brings people,especially browns like cockroaches. to find a warm predominantly white area means waay high real estate prices/taxes.
i chose wyoming (th northwest part) because:
NO st income tax ... almost all white (for now)...
no gun laws concealed carry or otherwise.
like minded fvk the feds mentality everywhere.
more elk than people
more cattle than people
tons of rivers lakes streams all pure, none polluted.
literally more millions of acres of wilderness than we could explore in a lifetime.

it gets cold, but its a dry cold...nothing compared to the midwest .
jmho.

Does being right under a super volcano scare you at all?

[Horn]

Does being right under a super volcano scare you at all?

Is this the reason for EE_'s apparent fear of central U.S.?

Have you seen the super volcano?

I'm of the opinion we should run head strong precautionary into fear.

[Serpo]

I would be thinking more along the lines of where out side of USA....................

[Dogman]

I would be thinking more along the lines of where out side of USA.................... Maybe, but people in general when gathered in any large number are tribal. As an example all you have to look at is town rivalry against other towns.

High school football for one and many other examples we have all witnessed in our life's if one took the time to see it.

As said by others if one moves to another country you can take it to the bank you will be the outsider by some no matter how long you live there. And if the smelly stuff does hit the fan, you can count on it that the locals will view outsiders as fair targets overall.

It can be said that it is easier to do bad things to someone you do not know, than to someone you do know, and that applies even here in the states. In both cases moving to another country, or state here, the key is making friends and gaining their RESPECT! Anything less will probably in time make you a victim. It is all basic human nature, for the good and the bad.

[Horn]

High school football for one and many other examples we have all witnessed in our life's if one took the time to see it.

I'm gonna have to block that kick, as a few bumps & bruises or turned to be an outcast,

is in some turns far better than being slowly eaten to death by your own kind.

Most of the time the home team only ends up ruining their own field and reputation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCV8q1RHKqQ&feature=relmfu

[EE_]

Is this the reason for EE_'s apparent fear of central U.S.?

Have you seen the super volcano?

I'm of the opinion we should run head strong precautionary into fear.

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/drmon.gif

[Horn]

So you're good for Pulaski, Tn. original home of the KKK then?

Its outside the red zone a bit.

[Large Sarge]

Western Colorado, Grand Junction

nice climate, not crowded, etc

[sunshine05]

I would like to move to NH. Because of the Free State Project, there are a lot of Libertarians and like-minded people there. We're considering Concord or Manchester. I think if SHTF, it would be helpful to be around people like us. It is a goal, maybe in the spring.

I know you said you don't like harsh winters, but to me it makes the most sense.

[Skirnir_]

Svalbard seems like a rather nice place.

[cortez]

Sheridan , WY

[Osiris]

Now that it was mentioned it reminds me of why I love AZ so much, not many natural disasters, no earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Fires are the biggest concern up north.

[hoarder]

Long winters, but Northwest Montana and Northern Idaho are great areas. Ozarks Southern Missouri has reasonably priced country homesteads, but lots of snakes and stinging biting insects, good retirement on a budget.

Here is the view from my front door in Montana:

[milehi]

Now that it was mentioned it reminds me of why I love AZ so much, not many natural disasters, no earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Fires are the biggest concern up north.

Yesterday I returned from a week of scouting real estate and mountain biking the Verde Valley and Mogollon Rim. I checked out the Prescott area, then on to Jerome(for touristy biz ideas), Cottonwood, Camp Verde and surrounding communities, Sedona which is not on the list but the Village of Oak Creek is, then on to Flag, and then Williams. I even went up in the air to check out Camp Verde. I had to be at work today and am on call this weekend or I'd still be out there. I noticed that the Coconino Forest is being thinned dramaticaly for fuel reduction while out on a ride so hopefully Flag dodges a bullet this fire season. I went yard sailing along the way too and picked up several scores to add to the collection or flip.

[JDRock]

Does being right under a super volcano scare you at all?

ALOT less than an explosion of angry negroes looting and burning and raping...with the blessing of the cops.

ALOT less than an armored swat team gestapo police force and numerous federal officers nearby...

ALOT less than a state income tax agency gathering $ and sharing info with the feds..

hey, if yellowstone goes, the entire western hemisphere is extinct anyway.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I also need/want to get out. I have savings but I have no idea where to go. I feel like nowhere is safe enough.

[Skirnir_]

I also need/want to get out. I have savings but I have no idea where to go. I feel like nowhere is safe enough.

Want safety? Go to prison, ask for solitary confinement. Nothing is guaranteed in this world, and 'safety' is often the refuge of bitches who are afraid of their own shadows.

[DMac]

Long winters, but Northwest Montana and Northern Idaho are great areas. Ozarks Southern Missouri has reasonably priced country homesteads, but lots of snakes and stinging biting insects, good retirement on a budget.

Here is the view from my front door in Montana:


A particular goal is to avoid things like snakes and stinging biting insects. Living without mosquitoes is nice.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Want safety? Go to prison, ask for solitary confinement. Nothing is guaranteed in this world, and 'safety' is often the refuge of bitches who are afraid of their own shadows.

That's pretty much what I said in my post. There is no such thing as safety. Thanks for regurgitating my own sentiment back to me.

[Cebu_4_2]

No to meaning I want to hijack your already hijacked thread but I am surfing Knotsville. 45 minute travel and back to scenery and sanity.

[Rubberchicken]

Welcome to Knotsville http://students.depaul.edu/~kgrayson/murdermystery/index.htm

[Skirnir_]

That's pretty much what I said in my post.

No, it wasn't.

[Heimdhal]

Theres tons of places I'd love to live, but I think my ideal REALISTIC place that gives a good "best of all worlds" would be somewhere in central-north Florida. Its still pretty rural there, with some big cities here and there (few college towns). Hot summers, mild to chilly winters (certainly not weeks and weeks of dreary freezing temps, etc) You can grow stuff literaly all year round, wildlife is abundant (small dear, LOTS of water fowl, turkey, livestock does very well).

The coast will give you more consistent weather, but more people. Inland will give you bigger temp swings, which can be either good or bad depending on personal preference. You'll still have to deal with skeeters and other bitey things (snakes, spiders) but there arent many places in the US that DONT have those without being in one extreme temp range or another.


If I ever get the choice (financialy that is) thats very likley where I would head. Summers would still be a little hot for me, but eh.

[EE_]

No one like the Carolina's, Georgia or Virginia?

[Heimdhal]

No one like the Carolina's, Georgia or Virginia?

I think they are great.......but... sometimes its hard being the "outsider", especialy in the hill cultures, and of course, its pretty dark up there now, too. You can, however, find a much lower cost of living there (into tennesee, KY,etc), lots of workable land, homesteaders, like minded folk. You just gotta find the right spot, but then again thats true of anywhere.


I'll be honest, I didnt actualy read the OP before making my post. In hindsight, my previous post doesnt really help YOU at all, lol.

[Skirnir_]

No one like the Carolinas, Georgia or Virginia?

The mountainous regions might meet your criteria; I would advise against the other portions due to their demographic problems writ large.

[Mouse]

Long winters, but Northwest Montana and Northern Idaho are great areas. Ozarks Southern Missouri has reasonably priced country homesteads, but lots of snakes and stinging biting insects, good retirement on a budget.

Here is the view from my front door in Montana:

The snakes and stinging, biting insects are mostly contained in the churches, which are abundant. Ozerks is an hour from a decent city with a usable airport, 98% white, beautiful country (although arable farmland is not that abundant, mostly hay fields and woods), low property costs, very low property taxes, minimal regulation. The income tax and sales tax is about average, so not much to be saved there. Unfortunately there isn't much to do for money around here that doesn't involve chasing cows or fixing whatever they broke.

West Virgina sounds nice, but then you are in the northeast with all the population just waiting to flee the cities. I did a WV trip about 12 years ago, definitely a fantastic place to enjoy the outdoors.

[1970 silver art]

I'm getting ready to make a move...tell me the best states and the cities in them you find most attractive. Factor in cost, mild winters, ability to grow things and recreation.

The middle of the country is a disaster so it's out.
Severe winters are out.

I would say anywhere in East Tennessee would be a good place to move to and here's why:

1.) No Income tax.

2.) The winters for the most part in East Tennessee are mild compared to the northern states.

3.) Plenty of rural areas that you can move to if you do not want to live in the city.

4.) Home home price in TN as a whole is $132,500 (lower than the 1st QTR 2011 $158,100 median price in the U.S.)

Source1: http://www.abcrealestatedirectory.com/prices/states/Tennessee.htm
Source2: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-09/home-prices-rise-in-half-of-u-s-cities-as-markets-stabilize.html

Some disadvantages that I can think of when living in Tennessee:

1.) Wages are lower than the national average but that depends on what type of job you are looking for.

2.) High sales tax - Can be as high as 9.75% depending on the TN county that you live in, however, there are flea markets you can go to to buy stuff without paying a sales tax.


The best places in TN for Recreational activities (IMO):

Gatlinburg, TN area = This is one of the most beautiful places in Tennessee since you are near the Smokey Mountains and there are trails where you can walk and ride a bike.

Chattanooga, TN area = Lot of trails to hike on and it is a beautiful city overall with its outdoor beauty IMO. It is the 4th largest city in Tennessee.

Even though I think that those two places are the best places in Tennessee for recreational activities, it will also depend on what type of recreation that you like to do.

[1970 silver art]

No to meaning I want to hijack your already hijacked thread but I am surfing Knotsville. 45 minute travel and back to scenery and sanity.



Welcome to Knotsville http://students.depaul.edu/~kgrayson/murdermystery/index.htm

I think that Cebu_4_2 made a typo here. I think that he might have meant Knoxville, TN based on another thread based on real estate in TN.

http://www.cityofknoxville.org/

[Tumbleweed]

Don't move to western South Dakota it's hotter than hell in the summer and bitter cold in the winters. Sometimes there's lots of snow but sometimes not. Not much for work, mostly low paying jobs and most of the people live in or near the Black Hills. Two weeks out of the year hundreds of thousands of bikers show up and it's hard to get through Sturgis because of all the traffic. Lots of women riding topless. It took me 45 minutes to drive through there this past summer and it's a town of about five thousand. Had two biker chicks behind me in my rear view mirror all the while riding topless.

[EE_]

Don't move to western South Dakota it's hotter than hell in the summer and bitter cold in the winters. Sometimes there's lots of snow but sometimes not. Not much for work, mostly low paying jobs and most of the people live in or near the Black Hills. Two weeks out of the year hundreds of thousands of bikers show up and it's hard to get through Sturgis because of all the traffic. Lots of women riding topless. It took me 45 minutes to drive through there this past summer and it's a town of about five thousand. Had two biker chicks behind me in my rear view mirror all the while riding topless.

Not much chance boomer's will be flocking to SD anytime soon, with the brutal weather 100+ summers and -20 winters. Probably windy as all get out too. Other then that, I'm sure it's great.
You should be safe and have it all to yourself for years to come.

[mick silver]

Israel

[hoarder]

Don't move to western South Dakota it's hotter than hell in the summer and bitter cold in the winters. Sometimes there's lots of snow but sometimes not. Not much for work, mostly low paying jobs and most of the people live in or near the Black Hills. Two weeks out of the year hundreds of thousands of bikers show up and it's hard to get through Sturgis because of all the traffic. Lots of women riding topless. It took me 45 minutes to drive through there this past summer and it's a town of about five thousand. Had two biker chicks behind me in my rear view mirror all the while riding topless.Yeah, don't more there, too many topless women....LOL!

[Libertytree]

I'd go to the area of South Carolina between Charleston and Columbia, the Santee Cooper lake system. Mild climate, good people, great fishin and food, also close enough to the ocean as well. Here's a map.

http://www.santeecoopercountry.org/regionmap.html

[gunDriller]

I'm getting ready to make a move...tell me the best states and the cities in them you find most attractive. Factor in cost, mild winters, ability to grow things and recreation.

The middle of the country is a disaster so it's out.
Severe winters are out.

Western Oregon & Western Washington. maybe near Vancouver, Washington. no state income tax, right across the Columbia river from Portland OR - no sales tax.