One official killed as U.S. missions in Libya, Egypt stormed over anti-Islam film

[Serpo]

Tuesday, 11 September 2012
http://images.alarabiya.net/0b/bd/640x392_12703_237439.jpg Protesters pulled down the American flag from the U.S. embassy in Cairo as they scaled the walls of the embassy. (Reuters)





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By Al Arabiya with Agencies


An armed mob protesting a film deemed offensive to Islam attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi Tuesday killing a U.S. official, hours after angry Islamists stormed Washington’s embassy in Cairo.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in a statement late on Tuesday, confirmed the death of the U.S. diplomat, who was not identified, and condemned the attack on the Benghazi consulate, after a day of mayhem in two countries that raised fresh questions about Washington’s relations with the Arab world.

Libya’s deputy interior minister Wanis al-Sharif told AFP: “One American official was killed and another injured in the hand. The other staff members were evacuated and are safe and sound.”

Sharif, who is in charge of Libya’s eastern region, said: “Demonstrators attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. They fired shots in the air before entering the building.”

The violent protest was strongly condemned by Libya’s General National Congress, which in a statement expressed “outrage at the unfortunate attack against the American consulate in Benghazi,” according to AFP.

Earlier Tuesday, Egypt’s prestigious al-Azhar mosque and seat of Sunni learning condemned a symbolic “trial” of the Prophet organized by a U.S. group including Terry Jones, a Christian pastor who triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 by threatening to burn the Quran.

But it was not immediately clear whether it was the event sponsored by Jones, or another, possibly related, anti-Islam production, that prompted the melee at the U.S. Embassy in Egypt, and possibly the violence in Libya.

Whatever the cause, the events appeared to underscore how much the ground in the Middle East has shifted for Washington, which for decades had close ties with Arab dictators who could be counted on to muzzle dissent.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration in recent weeks had appeared to overcome some of its initial caution following the election of an Islamist Egyptian President, Mohammed Mursi, offering his government desperately needed debt relief and backing for international loans.

Abdul Muniem al-Hurr, spokesman for Libya’s Supreme Security Committee, said: “There is a connection between this attack and the protests that have been happening in Cairo.”

But a U.S. official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he had no reason to believe the two incidents were linked, according to Reuters.

U.S. media, including The Wall Street Journal, reported that the film at issue, entitled “Innocence of Muslims,” was produced by an Israeli-American real estate developer, but had been promoted by Jones.

Once the U.S. flag was hauled down in Cairo, some protesters tore it up and displayed bits to television cameras. Others burned the remnants outside the fortress-like embassy building in central Cairo. But some protesters objected to the flag burning.

Arab League deputy secretary general, Ahmed Ben Helli, has condemned the film saying it “contained insults against the prophet Mohammed” and “was denounced by Christians and Muslims” across the Arab world.

Clinton declared: “The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation.”

“But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

Tuesday’s protests came on the eleventh anniversary of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when U.S. cities were targeted by hijacked planes.

Egyptian activist Wael Ghoneim wrote on his Facebook page that “attacking the U.S. embassy on Sept. 11 and raising flags linked to al-Qaeda will not be understood by the American public as a protest over the film about the prophet.

“Instead, it will be received as a celebration of the crime that took place on September 11,” he said.

Washington has a large mission in Egypt, partly because of a huge aid program that followed Egypt’s signing of a peace treaty with Israel in 1979. The United States gives $1.3 billion to Egypt’s military each year and offers the nation other aid.

Following the protest, Egypt’s Foreign Ministry said it was committed to giving all embassies the protection they needed.



http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/11/237439.html

[cortez]

yes, and the president has been saying sorry as fast as he can

[JohnQPublic]

How convenient for ISRomney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims

[Dogman]

How convenient for ISRomney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims

Knowing how easy Muslims get bent out of shape, when it comes to their beliefs. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together to form a thought, can say that film was not designed and targeted to royally piss off the Muslim world!

The producer is in hiding, He should be slowly roasted in lard (pigs fat) just for a grin. This looks like it was intended to stir the pot.


Innocence of Muslims is a 2012 religious and political film that allegedly triggered the September 11, 2012 storming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_2012_U.S._diplomatic_missions_attacks ) of the United States Embassy in Cairo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo), Egypt, and a rocket attack on an embassy personnel car of the United States Consulate in Benghazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benghazi), Libya, resulting in at least four deaths of U.S. diplomatic personnel, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Stevens_%28ambassador%29).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-ynet-1)

Production

The independent film was produced and directed by Sam Bacile, a 56 year-old Israeli-American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_American) real estate developer. He identifies himself as an Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli) Jew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) and is hiding now.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-ynet-1) According to Bacile, he produced the film to call attention to what he perceived were the "hypocrisies" of Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-2) According to Ynet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynet), Bacile said he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors, whom he declined to identify. Working with about 60 actors and 45 crew members, he said he made the two-hour movie in three months last year in California.

The film has been promoted by Dr. Terry Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones_%28pastor%29), the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans previously sparked deadly riots around the world, who said Tuesday that he planned to show a 13-minute trailer that night at his church in Gainesville, Florida. "It is an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam," he said in a statement. "The movie further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad)."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-ynet-1)

In July 2012, a 14-minute excerpt from the English-language film was posted on YouTube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube). By September the movie had been dubbed into Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic), by which time it had attracted the attention of Muslim leaders who criticized the film's depiction of Muhammad.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-3) The Daily Telegraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Telegraph) reported that it portrayed Muhammad as an advocate of pedophilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia) and a homosexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual), showing him having sex.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims#cite_note-dt-20120912-4)

[gunny highway]

yeah right, they're that pissed over some stupid movie. sure.

[Dogman]

yeah right, they're that pissed over some stupid movie. sure. Hell, they got pissed over a dam cartoon, in a newspaper. Of course for most Muslims knowing the Koran is considered all the education they need in life.

[Ponce]

US Embassador and four more Americans killed in Libya... the embassador was sacrifice in order to give the US a reason to invade the country and take their oil, how stupid does the US think that we are?
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BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three embassy staff were killed in an attack on the Benghazi consulate and a safe house refuge, stormed by Islamist gunmen blaming America for a film they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.

Gunmen had attacked and set fire to the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, the cradle of last year's uprising against Muammar Gaddafi's 42-year rule, late on Tuesday evening as another assault was mounted on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

California-born ambassador Christopher Stevens was killed in the assault, but it was not clear how or where he died. U.S. consular staff were rushed to a safe house after the initial attack, Libya's Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif said.

An evacuation plane with U.S. commandos units then arrived from Tripoli to evacuate them from the house.

"It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting," Sharif said. Two U.S. personnel were killed there, he said. Two other people were killed at the main consular building and between 12 and 17 wounded.

The attack raised questions about the future U.S. diplomatic presence in Libya, relations between Washington and Tripoli, the unstable security situation in post-Gaddafi Libya and whether more protests might erupt in the Muslim world over the film.

The amateurish film, promoted by a U.S. pastor, portrayed Mohammad as a fool, a philanderer and a religious fake. In one clip posted on YouTube, Mohammad was shown in an apparent sex act with a woman.

For many Muslims it is blasphemous to depict the Prophet and the incident had echoes of the publication in a Danish newspaper of cartoons that touched off riots in the Middle East, Africa and Asia in 2006 in which at least 50 people died.

U.S. President Barack Obama, whose administration supported the Libyan insurgency with funds, weapons and training, branded the killing an "outrageous attack" and ordered increased security at U.S. diplomatic posts worldwide.

"SMALL AND SAVAGE GROUP"

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the attack was the work of a "small and savage group" not the government or people of Libya.

Descriptions of the consulate attack described chaos and bloodshed, with Libyan security over-run and retreating.

"We started shooting at them, and then some other people also threw hand-made bombs over the fences and started the fires in the buildings," said 17-year-old Hamam, who took part in the assault and refused to give his last name.

"There was some Libyan security for the embassy outside but when the hand-made bombs went off they ran off and left," said Hamam, who said he saw an American die in front of him in the mayhem that ensued. He said he his body was covered in ash.

The attack was believed to have been carried out by Ansar al-Sharia, an al Qaeda-style Sunni Islamist group that has been active in Benghazi, a Libyan security official said. Witnesses said the mob also included tribesmen, militia and other gunmen.

Ansar al-Sharia cars arrived at the start of the protest but left once fighting started, Hamam said. "The protesters were running around the compound just looking for Americans, they just wanted to find an American so they could catch one."

On Wednesday, the sprawling, leafy compound in Benghazi stood empty, with passers-by freely walking in to take a look at the damage and the heat of the fires could still be felt.

Walls were charred and a small fire burned inside one of the buildings with glass from shattered chandeliers on the floor. A small group of men was trying to extinguish the flames and three security men briefly surveyed the scene.

A Reuters reporter saw chairs, table and food lying alongside empty shells. Some blood stains could also be seen in front of one of the buildings. Three cars were burnt out.

Benghazi residents argued among themselves about whether the attack was right or wrong.

One man, walked by and simply said: "We showed the Italians in 2006 and now the Americans saw what we did." He was referring to the storming of the Italian embassy over a perceived insult to Islam.

UNPREPARED FOR HEAVY ATTACK

"The Libyan security forces came under heavy fire and we were not prepared for the intensity of the attack," said Abdel-Monem Al-Hurr, spokesman for Libya's Supreme Security Committee.

Western leaders and officials joined condemnation of Tuesday's assault as did Lebanon's Shi'ite militant group Hezbollah.

A Danish newspaper caused a storm of protest across Islamic nations in 2005 by printing cartoons lampooning Islam and the Prophet Mohammad in 2005, the most famous depicted him wearing a bomb in his turban.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai sharply condemned the film in a statement, calling its making a "devilish act", saying he was certain those involved in its production represented a very small minority.

Afghanistan shut down the YouTube site so Afghans would not be able to see the film.

U.S. ambassadors in such volatile countries as Libya are accompanied by tight security, usually travelling in well-protected convoys. Diplomatic missions are usually protected by Marines or other special forces.

Stevens grew up in California, graduated from Berkeley and worked in North Africa as a Peace Corps volunteer. He taught English in Morocco before joining the foreign service where he worked in the Middle East and North Africa.

Airport sources said the bodies were due to be flown from Benghazi to Tripoli.

Libya's interim government has struggled to impose its authority on a myriad of armed groups that refused to lay down their weapons and often take the law into their own hands.

Security experts say the area around Benghazi is host to a number of Islamist militant groups who oppose any Western presence in Muslim countries.

The worst-case scenario for Western governments is that a spate of recent attacks could be the start of an Iraq-style insurgency by Islamist militants. That could have an impact on oil exports as the energy sector depends on foreign workers.

[JohnQPublic]

Shades of Carter's Iran circa 1979?

[General of Darkness]

Two words - False flag.

[Large Sarge]

Two words - False flag.

I agree

[singular_me]

The independent film was produced and directed by Sam Bacile, a 56 year-old Israeli-American real estate developer. He identifies himself as an Israeli Jew and is hiding now.[2]

HIDING?... well I guess that there is a fatwa against him at this point....

[Dogman]

HIDING?... well I guess that there is a fatwa against him at this point.... That you can bet on as a sure thing.

[singular_me]

really shaking my head in disbelief, that movie could do it and contribute to inflame the whole region. That is exactly the type of scenario TPTB love to fuel their war machine.

[Neuro]

Two words - False flag.
They supported these islamist thugs and gave them the arms a year or so ago. They reap what they sowed.

[Uncle Salty]

Islam has a destructive ideology?

Zionism is terrorism and those fuckers destroy everything and anything in their way.

[slvrbugjim]

Actually yes a video made this happen and this was planned, remember a cartoon in 2005 caused a huge stir as well.
The movie was released in July of this year, Israeli American produced it.

But now we learn that it was dubbed into Arabic and released on youtube yesterday 9/11 and this was done specifically to get the exact response
that it got.

False Flag all the way

[JohnQPublic]

Actually yes a video made this happen and this was planned, remember a cartoon in 2005 caused a huge stir as well.
The movie was released in July of this year, Israeli American produced it.

But now we learn that it was dubbed into Arabic and released on youtube yesterday 9/11 and this was done specifically to get the exact response
that it got.

False Flag all the way

Not only that, but it was sub-captioned in Arabic and released in Egypt in [oh how convenient] September by some "radical Islamic group".

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfcq8TUOO0

[Dogman]

Not only that, but it was sub-captioned in Arabic and released in Egypt in [oh how convenient] September by some "radical Islamic group". There is not a dam doubt in my mind that this was planned. The timing says it all. The sub-captioning is just icing on the cake for the proof I needed.

[JohnQPublic]

Holy Sh*t. The evidence is stacking up, this is a false flag:

Identity of anti-Muslim filmmaker called into question (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/identity-of-anti-muslim-filmmaker-called-into-question/)"...
Update: Film’s consultant confirms “Sam Bacile” is not real
Speaking to The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/muhammad-film-consultant-sam-bacile-is-not-israeli-and-not-a-real-name/262290/), in a story published later Wednesday afternoon, Klein admitted that “Sam Bacile” is not real, claiming he doesn’t know the man’s real name.
“I don’t know that much about him,” he reportedly said. “I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He’s not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”"

[Ponce]

We will sacrifice as many Americans as we have to in order to save the dollar and the petro dollar ....... what is going on will be the "excuse" and not the reason to make war on as many countries as we have to......the dollar is kaput anyway, and many good Americans will die in the name of the Zionist state of Israel.

[Down1]

Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., has a small role in the Muhammed movie as a woman whose young daughter is given to Muhammed to marry. But in a phone interview this afternoon, Garcia told us she had no idea she was participating in an offensive spoof on the life of Muhammed when she answered a casting call through an agency last summer and got the part.

The script she was given was titled simply Desert Warriors.

"It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago," Garcia said. "It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything."

In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product, now called Muslim Innocence. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed.

For example, at 9:03 in the trailer, Garcia berates her husband, who wants to send their daughter to Muhammed: "Is your Muhammed a child molester?" she says in the final product. But the words are dubbed over what she actually said. The line in the script—and the line Garcia gave during filming—was, "is your God a child molester," Garcia told us today.

Garcia was horrified when she saw the end product, and when protesters in Libya killed four U.S. Embassy employee.

"I had nothing to do really with anything. Now we have people dead because of a movie I was in. It makes me sick."

According to Garica, her three days on set last July were unremarkable. The film's mysterious pseudonymous writer and director, "Sam Bacile," has claimed to be an Israeli real estate mogul. But Garcia said Bacile told her he was Egyptian on set. Bacile had white hair and spoke Arabic to a number of "dark-skinned" men who hung around the set, she said. (A Bacile associate also told The Atlantic he wasn't Israeli or Jewish.)
http://gawker.com/5942748/it-makes-me-sick-actress-in-muhammed-movie-says-she-was-deceived-had-no-idea-it-was-about-islam


http://gawker.com/5942748/it-makes-me-sick-actress-in-muhammed-movie-says-she-was-deceived-had-no-idea-it-was-about-islam

[Down1]

Dr. Ziad Abu Zeid, who treated Stevens, told The Associated Press that he died of asphyxiation, apparently from smoke. In a sign of the chaos, Stevens was brought by Libyans to the Benghazi Medical Center with no other Americans, and no one at the facility knew who he was, Abu Zeid said.

He said he tried to revive Stevens for about 90 minutes ‘‘with no success.’’ The ambassador was bleeding in his stomach because of the asphyxiation but had no other injuries, the doctor said.

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/09/12/sends-marines-libya-after-deadly-attack/2EQzJyTOC9gbv3PtnixjsK/singlepage.html


http://www.boston.com/business/technology/2012/09/12/sends-marines-libya-after-deadly-attack/2EQzJyTOC9gbv3PtnixjsK/singlepage.html

[JDRock]

Holy Sh*t. The evidence is stacking up, this is a false flag:

Identity of anti-Muslim filmmaker called into question (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/identity-of-anti-muslim-filmmaker-called-into-question/)

"...
Update: Film’s consultant confirms “Sam Bacile” is not real
Speaking to The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/muhammad-film-consultant-sam-bacile-is-not-israeli-and-not-a-real-name/262290/), in a story published later Wednesday afternoon, Klein admitted that “Sam Bacile” is not real, claiming he doesn’t know the man’s real name.
“I don’t know that much about him,” he reportedly said. “I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He’s not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”"
i suspect what THIS ahole is saying is disinfo!

[singular_me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfcq8TUOO0

while its only 10 mins, that was enough to get an idea.... this is very bad acting with a very simplistic story line. I wouldnt burn down any flag for this cheesy montage but can see why arabs can be very upset

[JohnQPublic]

i suspect what THIS ahole is saying is disinfo!

Who knows. It is a piece of the puzzle.

[PatColo]

Scott Horton 2012.09.12 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/09/scott-horton-20120912.html)Second interview Eric Margolis

Eric Margolis, author of American Raj, discusses the assaults on US embassies in Libya and Egypt; the anti-Islam movie Innocence of Muslims that was apparently financed by an Israeli American; the shared propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany and today’s pro-Israel extremists; why Jews should be wary of inciting bigots into Islamophobic rages; Churchill and FDR’s coverup of “Uncle Joe” Stalin’s massacre of Polish officers in 1940; and why WWII wasn’t the “necessary” war we’re all led to believe. (Duration: 30:34 — 7.0MB)

Download MP3 (http://dissentradio.com/radio/12_09_12_margolis.mp3)

[k-os]

I can see where the movie would upset Muslims (they do tend to get upset rather easily, or so it seems).

I am not able to connect the dots between Muslims anger over a movie and an Embassy. Maybe it's as simple as the people in these other countries are sick of our invasions.

[PatColo]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/4/22/1303470314362/piss-christ-007.jpg
Visitors look at Piss Christ, an image of the crucifixion submerged in
the [Joosh] artist's urine, which has been attacked by Catholic activists.
Photograph: Jean-Paul Pelissier/Reuters
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/22/good-friday-passover-app-homily

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/12/20/LocalLiving/Images/natmenorah_3.jpg
View Photo Gallery —  This year’s annual lighting of the National Menorah took place on
the White House Ellipse on the first night of Hanukkah. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/the-lighting-of-the-national-menorah/2011/12/20/gIQA5lZa7O_gallery.html)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/hanukkah-celebrations-from-menorahs-and-latkes-to-youtube-videos/2011/12/21/gIQAYkUjBP_story.html

[PatColo]

US Ambassador is Martyr to Zionist Ambition

September 12, 2012

http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/stevens.jpeg



Christopher Steven's murder
appears timed to inflame US opinion against Muslims, and by extension Iranians.

by Henry Makow Ph.D

Christopher Stevens, the US ambassador to Libya murdered earlier today was a martyr to Zionist attempts to draw the US into war with Iran.

more:
http://www.henrymakow.com/us-ambassador-is-marty.html

[PlatinumBlonde]

Why do I have a feeling George Soros is involved in all of this?

[Neuro]

Holy Sh*t. The evidence is stacking up, this is a false flag:

Identity of anti-Muslim filmmaker called into question (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/identity-of-anti-muslim-filmmaker-called-into-question/)

"...
Update: Film’s consultant confirms “Sam Bacile” is not real
Speaking to The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/muhammad-film-consultant-sam-bacile-is-not-israeli-and-not-a-real-name/262290/), in a story published later Wednesday afternoon, Klein admitted that “Sam Bacile” is not real, claiming he doesn’t know the man’s real name.
“I don’t know that much about him,” he reportedly said. “I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He’s not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”"
What more do you need to confirm that this was a Mossad Psy-Op!

[EE_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br_70Kbdpow

Perspectives and Religion in the Crusades
View of the Crusades from Today
By Austin Cline,

Although members of other religions obviously suffered at the hands of good Christians throughout the Middle Ages, it should not be forgotten that other Christians suffered just as much. Augustine's exhortion to compel entry into the church was used with great zeal when church leaders dealt with Christians who dared to follow a different sort of religious path.

This was not always the case — during the first millennium, death was a rare penalty. But in the 1200s, shortly after the beginning of the crusades against the Muslims, wholly European crusades against Christian dissidents were enacted.

The first victims were the Albigenses, sometimes called the Cathari, who were centered primarily in southern France. These poor freethinkers doubted the biblical story of Creation, thought that Jesus was an angel instead of God, rejected transubstantiation, and demanded strict celibacy. History has taught that celibate religious groups generally tend to die out sooner or later, but contemporary church leaders weren't anxious to wait. The Cathari also took the dangerous step of translating the bible into the common language of the people, which only served to further enrage religious leaders.

In 1208, Pope Innocent III raised an army of over 20,000 knights and peasants eager to kill and pillage their way through France. When the city of Beziers fell to the besieging armies of Christendom, soldiers asked papal legate Arnald Amalric how to tell the faithful apart from the infidels. He uttered his famous words: "Kill them all. God will know His own." Such depths of contempt and hatred are truly frightening, but they are only possible in the context of a religious doctrine of eternal punishment for unbelievers and eternal reward for believers.

Followers of Peter Waldo of Lyon, called Waldensians, also suffered the wrath of official Christendom. They promoted the role of lay street preachers despite official policy that only ordained ministers be allowed to preach. They rejecting things like oaths, war, relics, veneration of saints, indulgences, purgatory, and a great deal more which was promoted by religious leaders.

The church needed to control the sort of information which the people heard, lest they be corrupted by the temptation to think for themselves. They were declared heretics at the Council of Verona in 1184 and then hounded and killed over the course of the following 500 years. In 1487, Pope Innocent VIII called for an armed crusade against populations of Waldensians in France. Some of them still apparently survive in the Alps and Piedmont.

Dozens of other heretical groups suffered the same fate — condemnation, excommunication, repression and eventually death. Christians did not shy away from killing their own religious brethern when even minor theological differences arose. For them, perhaps no differences were truly minor — all doctrines were a part of the True Path to heaven, and deviation on any point challenged the authority of the church and the community. It was a rare person who dared to stand up and make independent decisions about religious belief, made all the more rare by the fact that they were massacred as fast as possible.

Most histories of the Crusades tend to focus on the Crusaders themselves and the perspectives of European Christians seeking conquest and plunder in the Holy Land. But what about the Muslims whose lands were invaded and cities sacked? What did they think about these religious armies marching out of Europe?

To be honest, they didn't even know that there was something to be concerned about at first. The Crusades might have elicited a great deal of excitement back home, but it wasn't even until modern times that Arabic developed a term for the phenomenon: al-Hurub al-Salibiyya, "Wars of the Cross." When the first European armies hit Syria, Muslims there naturally thought that this was an attack from the Byzantines and called the invaders Rum, or Romans.

Eventually they realized that they were facing a completely new foe, but they still didn't recognize that they were being attacked by joint European forces. French commanders and French knights tended to be at the forefront of the fighting in the First Crusade, so Muslims in the region simply referred to the Crusaders as Franks no matter what their actual nationality. As far as the Muslims were concerned, this was simply another stage in Frankish imperialism that had been experienced in Spain, North Africa, and Sicily.

It was probably not until after permanent kingdoms were established in the Holy Land and regular reinforcements from Europe began arriving that Muslim leaders began to understand that this was not Rome reasserting itself or Frankish imperialism anymore. No, they were facing an entirely new phenomenon in their relations with Christendom - one which required a new response.

That response was the attempt to create greater unity and a common sense of purpose among Muslims like they had experienced during the earliest years of their expansion. Just as European victories were often attributable to high morale and a sense of common religious purpose, Muslims were able to effectively retaliate when they stopped bickering among themselves so much. The first leader to begin this process was Nur al-Din, and his successor, Salah al-Din (Saladin), is remembered even today by both Europeans and Muslims for both his military skills and his strong character.

Despite the efforts of leaders such as these, for the most part Muslims remained divided and, at times, even indifferent to the European threat. Occasionally religious fervor took hold and inspired people to participate in campaigns against the Crusaders, but much of the time people who didn't live around the Holy Land simply didn't worry about it - and even those who did sometimes signed treaties with Crusader leaders against rival Muslim kingdoms. As disorganized as they were, though, the Europeans were usually far worse.

In the end, the Crusaders didn't leave much impact. Muslim art, architecture, and literature are almost entirely untouched by the extended contact with European Christians. Muslims didn't feel that they had much of anything to learn from the barbarians who came out of the north, so it was a very rare scholar who took the time to find out what the Christians thought or did.

There were Jewish communities, some quite large, throughout Europe and the Middle East before the Crusades. They had established themselves and survived over the course of many centuries, but they also provided tempting targets for marauding Crusaders looking for infidels to attack and treasure to loot. Caught between two warring religions, the Jews were in a most untenable position.

Christian antisemitism obviously existed long before the Crusades, but poor relations between Muslims and Christians served to exacerbate what was already a troubled situation. In 1009 Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, sixth Fatimid Caliph in Egypt and later the founder of the Druze sect, ordered the Holy Sepulchre and all Christian buildings in Jerusalem be destroyed. In 1012 he ordered all Christian and Jewish houses of worship destroyed.

One would think that this would have simply worsened relations between Muslims and Christians, despite the fact that Amr Allah was also considered mad and Muslims contributed heavily to the rebuilding of the Holy Sepulchre later on. For some reason, however, Jews were also blamed for these events.

In Europe a rumor developed that a “Prince of Babylon” had ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre at the instigation of the Jews. Attacks on Jewish communities in cities like Rouen, Orelans, and Mainz ensued and this rumor helped lay the basis for later massacres of Jewish communities by Crusaders marching to the Holy Land.

One should not be misled into thinking that all of Christendom was united in violence against the Jews - it isn't even true that church leaders were so united. There was, instead, a wide variety of attitudes. Some hated the Jews; saw them as infidels, and concluded that since they were marching off to kill other infidels, why not get a head start with some locals. Others, however, wished the Jews no harm and sought to protect them.

This latter group included many churchmen. A few were successful in protecting local Jews from marauding Crusaders and managed to enlist the aid of local families to hide them. Others started out trying to help but gave in to the mobs lest they be killed as well. The archbishop of Mainz changed is mind a bit too slowly and had the flee the city in order to save his own life - but at least a thousand Jews weren't so lucky.

Of course, Christianity had for centuries been promoting vile images and attitudes about Jews - it's not as though this anti-Judaism came out of nowhere, springing fully-formed from the Crusaders' swords and spears. Thus, even a sympathetic consideration of the position in which the priests and bishops found themselves must conclude that they brought it themselves. Through action or inaction, the church encouraged treating Jews as second-class citizens, and this led quite readily towards treating them as less than human in the end.

There is no way to tell how many Jews died in Europe and the Holy Land at the hands of Christian Crusaders, but most estimates put the numbers at several tens of thousands. Sometimes they were offered the choice of baptism first (conversion or the sword is an image more commonly attributed to Muslim conquests, but Christians did it as well), but more often they were simply killed outright.

Quite a few others chose to determine their own fates rather than wait for the tender mercies of their Christian neighbors. In an act called kiddush ha-Shem, Jewish men would first kill their wives and children and then themselves - a form of voluntary martyrdom at their own hands. Ultimately the Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East were the biggest losers to come out of the Christian Crusades against Islam.

The meaning of the Crusades for politics and society today cannot be understood simply by looking at the violence, the persecutions, or the economic changes they wrought. However important those things may have been at the time, the meaning of the Crusades for people today is determined not so much by what actually happened as it is by what people believe happened and the stories they tell each other about the past.

Both Christian and Muslim communities continue to look back upon the Crusades as a time when devout believers went to war in order to defend their faith. Muslims are seen as defenders of a religion that relied upon force and violence to propagate itself, and Turks even today are viewed through the lens of the threat the Ottomans posed to Europe. Christians are seen as defenders of both a crusading religion and imperialism, and thus any western incursion into the Middle East is regarded as simply a continuation of the medieval crusading spirit.

If Muslims were to be concerned solely with conflicts they lost, they would be looking at the record of European colonialism throughout the Middle East and beyond. There is certainly a great deal there to complain about and there are good arguments that problems today are in part a legacy of European colonial borders and practices.

European colonialism completely reversed a legacy of self-rule and conquest which had existed since the time of Muhammad. Instead of being the equals of, if not superior to, the Christian West, they came to be ruled and dominated by the Christian West. This was a significant blow to Muslims' sense of autonomy and identity, a blow which they are continuing to deal with.

Colonialism is not alone, though, as a target of Muslims' anger - the Crusades are treated as the defining paradigm for relations between Islam and Christianity. European colonialism is almost always treated not as a separate event from the Crusades but instead a continuation of them in a new form - just as is the creation of the state of Israel.

How else can one comprehend the fact that today the Crusades are used as a rallying cry among Muslims in the Middle East? Any privations or oppression currently experienced by Muslims are depicted as simply a continuation of the invasions originally launched to conquer the region. It is curious that this would be the case because, after all, the Crusades were a spectacular failure. The land conquered was relatively small and not held for very long, and the only permanent losses suffered was the Iberian peninsula, a region originally European and Christian anyway.

Today, though, the Crusades continue to be a sensitive issue as though Islam had lost, and sometimes current problems are actually attributed to the effects of the Crusades. Yet Muslims suffered no long-term effects from the Crusades, and in fact Muslim forces rebounded to capture Constantinople and move further into Europe than Christians moved into the Middle East. The Crusades were not simply a Muslim victory but, over time, proved Muslim superiority in terms of tactics, numbers, and the ability to unify against an external threat.

Although the Crusades generally tend to be viewed through the lens of humiliation, one bright spot in the whole affair is the figure of Saladin: the dashing military leader who united the Muslims into an effective fighting force that essentially drove out the Christian invaders. Even today Arab Muslims revere Saladin and say that another Saladin is needed to get rid of the current invaders — in Israel. Jews today are regarded by many as modern-day Crusaders, Europeans or descendants of Europeans holding much of the same land that made up the original Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. It is hoped that their “kingdom” will soon be eliminated as well.

When promoting the war against terrorism, President George W. Bush originally described it as a "crusade," something he was forced to back off from immediately because it only reinforced Muslims' perception that the "war on terrorism" was merely a mask for a new Western "war on Islam." Any attempt by western powers to interfere with Arab or Muslim affairs is viewed through the twin lenses of Christian Crusades and European colonialism. That, more than anything, is the contemporary legacy of the Crusades and one which will continue to afflict relations between Islam and Christianity for a long time to come.

[JohnQPublic]

Israeli Sponsored Film Sparks False Flag Attack and Manufactured Islamic Threat in Libya (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/israeli-sponsored-film-sparks-false.html)
"Playing his part in the manufactured attack, Sam Bacile, the filmmaker (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9537939/US-consulate-attack-in-Libya-unrepentant-film-maker-goes-into-hiding.html) responsible for the video that has allegedly sparked protests in Libya, that have resulted in the bombing of the US embassy in the country and killing of four Americans, has his training in filmmaking in Israel.

Bacile, an Israeli Jew and real estate developer, suddenly became inspired and wrote the film (http://youtu.be/EnLh1S_cW7M) entitled “Innocence of Muslims” that was initially slated for release last July, yet only now has surfaced and become a nuisance to the Islamic world, according to mainstream media.

Bacile said that “Islam is a cancer, period.” He admits that he was funded by more than 100 Jewish donors and worked to produce the film in California.
Israel Channel 10 (http://www.nana10.co.il/) is claiming that Sam Bacile is a pseudonym and that the film’s creators are ex-Muslims who have converted to Christianity – as well as Iranian. It is also purported that one of the men who was involved (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645681057498266.html) in the embassy bombing and the making of the film was a member of the Egyptian Coptic Christians."

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US consulate attack in Libya: unrepentant film-maker goes into hiding (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9537939/US-consulate-attack-in-Libya-unrepentant-film-maker-goes-into-hiding.html)
"Speaking by telephone to the Associated Press from an undisclosed location, Bacile, who went into hiding on Tuesday, remained defiant, saying Islam is a “cancer” and that he intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Bacile, who is aged 52 or 56, said he believed the film will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

"...

A 14-minute trailer of the film that sparked the protests depicts Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres. Its production values are shoddy and the dialogue stilted. In most scenes actors are super-imposed on desert locations; many have browned their faces with make-up.
The New York Times reported that the film excerpt had drawn little attention since being posted in July, but was picked up after a version dubbed into Arabic was put online last week.
Bacile said the film was produced in English and he doesn't know who dubbed it in Arabic. The full work has been shown once, to a mostly empty cinema in Hollywood earlier this year, he said.
The website's guidelines call for removing videos that include a threat of violence, but not those that only express opinions. YouTube's practice is not to comment on specific videos.
A scene from the film was also was broadcast on the Egyptian television channel Al-Nas, and then on Sunday, Egyptian Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa denounced “the actions undertaken by some extremist Copts who made a film offensive to the prophet”.
Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-born Christian in the US known for his anti-Islam views, told the Associated Press from Washington that he was promoting the video on his website and on certain television stations, which he did not identify. He has staged protests before with Terry Jones. "


[SO, is Bacile real, or not? We still do not know]

[k-os]

California man confirms role in anti-islam film (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifWYKzUPaqJJsJ5aj-58K0JCL1Fg):

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

Nakoula denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cell phone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula's aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.
Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.

The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website. Egypt's Christian Coptic population has long decried what they describe as a history of discrimination and occasional violence from the country's Arab majority.

Pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida, who burned Qurans on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, said he spoke with the movie's director on the phone Wednesday and prayed for him. He said he has not met the filmmaker in person, but the man contacted him a few weeks ago about promoting the movie.

"I have not met him. Sam Bacile, that is not his real name," Jones said. "I just talked to him on the phone. He is definitely in hiding and does not reveal his identity. He was quite honestly fairly shook up concerning the events and what is happening. A lot of people are not supporting him."

The film was implicated in protests that resulted in the burning of the U.S. consulate Tuesday in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

Libyan officials said Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other embassy employees were killed during the mob violence, but U.S. officials now say they are investigating whether the assault was a planned terrorist strike linked to Tuesday's 11-year anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.


More at link:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifWYKzUPaqJJsJ5aj-58K0JCL1Fg

[mick silver]

Middle East Reporting: What's Being Left Out?http://gold-silver.us/images/library/islamicalliance.jpg


The Cairo-Tehran Express ... Egyptian-Iranian intelligence meeting prompts fears of a new Middle East terror axis ... U.S. intelligence agencies recently monitored a secret meeting between Egypt's intelligence chief and a senior Iranian spy that is raising new fears the Muslim Brotherhood (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1835');) government in Cairo could begin covertly supporting global terrorism. According to U.S. officials, the head of the Egyptian General Intelligence Service, Maj. Gen. Murad Muwafi, met in early August with a senior official of Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS). Disclosure of the Egyptian-Iranian intelligence meeting comes as the Obama (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2384');) administration is planning to provide $1 billion in aid to bail out Egypt's new Islamist government. The administration is said to be seeking closer ties to the new regime in Cairo, following the ouster in February 2011 of long-time ally Hosni Mubarak (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1996');). – FreeBeacon
Dominant Social Theme: These Islamicists are all the same and all violent.
Free-Market Analysis: The Egyptians are getting together with the Iranians, according to legendary military reporter Bill Gertz.
This makes our collective head spin. First, a word about Bill Gertz. Here's his current bio ...
Bill Gertz is senior editor of the Washington Free Beacon. Prior to joining the Beacon he was a national security reporter, editor, and columnist for 27 years at the Washington Times. Bill is the author of six books, four of which were national bestsellers ...
Bill has an international reputation. Vyachaslav Trubnikov, head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, once called him a "tool of the CIA (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2401');)" after he wrote an article exposing Russian intelligence operations in the Balkans. A senior CIA official once threatened to have a cruise missile fired at his desk after he wrote a column critical of the CIA's analysis of China.
And China's communist (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1900');) government has criticized him for news reports exposing China's weapons and missile sales to rogues states ... Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld once told him: "You are drilling holes in the Pentagon and sucking out information."
We can see from this bio that Gertz has an extensive reputation as an aggressive reporter, and this article would seem to confirm that perspective. It is surely an informed and hard-hitting story.
We do have some problems with it and we'll get to that in a moment. First, some more from the article:
U.S. intelligence gathering targeting Egypt has been stepped up over the past year as the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist party, came to power in June. The group's credo includes the phrase, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
Since the revolution that led to the ouster of the pro-U.S. regime of Hosni Mubarak, a large number of radical Islamists have been released from prison and have gone back to preaching anti-Western and anti-Israel jihad, or holy war.
The meeting between Muwafi and the Iranian, identified by officials only with his last name, Gerami, set off security concerns because the Iranian spy service is a key player in Tehran's international support for terrorism, as well as anti-U.S. and anti-Israel operations ...
Asked about the Egyptian-Iranian intelligence meeting, a U.S. official told the Free Beacon: "The Egyptians are still skeptical of Iranian motives. There's a lot of baggage to overcome with Tehran, so for now any efforts to expand outreach and build a new relationship are likely to be cautious and fairly limited."
Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former CIA officer who specialized in Middle Eastern affairs, said it is difficult to gauge the significance of the Gerami-Muwafi meeting, and noted that liaisons between spy agencies are common.
"Sometimes those meetings are significant," said Gerecht. "Other times, not much at all."
What strikes us here is the hedged tone of the article. On the surface, a pact between Iran and Egypt would be momentous indeed. But after proclaiming the possibility of a pact, Gertz spends a lot of time backpedaling. The article descends into a series of questionable generalizations.
Let us note we are using Gertz and his article to make a larger point. Gertz is a very good reporter but in this article we find questionable elements that we find in most mainstream Western reporting.
The main issue we have is one that we have been on the forefront of reporting and has to do with American and NATO (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1854');) support for the so-called Arab Spring (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2932');).
In our opinion, Gertz should use this as the foundation for his larger analysis. He doesn't and thus ends up, as many do, with a lot of surface-y conclusions.
The main conclusion, of course, is that there could be an alliance between Egypt and Iran.
But Egyptian Muslims are Sunni (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1841');) and Iranian Muslims are Shia (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1842');). To have an alliance between these two is as logical as having an alliance between the 20th century USA and the USSR.
The Sunni religion (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=854');) in all of its incarnations is based on the idea of an Islam ruled by ideas and ideology. Shia Islam is royalist. The head or heads of the Shia Church are to have some familial relationship. About.com (Islam) explains it thusly:
Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones. Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance.
This is putting it mildly. Shia and Sunni Muslims do not like each other and often war against each other.
Now, it is true that Gertz claims that Saudi Arabian Salafists are at the forefront of rapprochement with the Iranian Shias. But in doing so he neglects to point out that the US dollar (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2591');) hegemony (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2452');) is behind Saudi Arabia's radical sects.
Radical Wahhabism (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1818');) in particular is being encouraged by the US simply through propping up the Saud family rule.
Why would the US prop up radical Islam? In fact, it is not the US per se but agents of the global power elite (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=610');) that are trying to foment a war between East and West.
This war is being created to advance the cause of world government and to blunt the impact of what we call the Internet Reformation (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2195');).
As more and more people discover the way the world really works, the dynastic central banking (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2958');) families work hard, apparently, to shove the globe into economic depression, military conflict and regulatory despotism.
This is an evident and obvious paradigm. We were writing nearly two years ago that the power elite was destabilizing the Middle East to create Islamic governments and to bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power.
Just search for Daily Bell and "Islamic crescent" or "phony Arab Spring"
Gertz mentions none of this in his analysis, even though he is among the best of the best of mainstream military analysts.
Nor does he mention what has been fairly conclusively proven in the alternative media (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=723');), that the power elite and US intel were behind the current "Iranian Revolution."
The elites therefore control both parts of this "alliance" that Gertz is discussing and they control both sides of the larger East-West upcoming conflict.
It is being manufactured, apparently. Not to point this out, or at least to allude to it, does a disservice to one's audience, in our humble view.
Gertz is a terrific reporter, and we have alluded to difficulties we have with the story not to criticize him but to make the point once again that the full truth about the current East-West confrontation is not what it seems to be.
Conclusion: It is being manufactured.

[willie pete]

I say just close up ALL foreign embassys in the ME and let these monkeys just kill one another, there has NEVER been any sustained peace in that region in anyone alive todays lifetime and odds are there won't be

[Neuro]

I say just close up ALL foreign embassys in the ME and let these monkeys just kill one another, there has NEVER been any sustained peace in that region in anyone alive todays lifetime and odds are there won't be
Well read the post above yours, and you may understand some reasons of why that is!

[JDRock]

What more do you need to confirm that this was a Mossad Psy-Op!

hmm..and add to that, the jewish "holy" days are right around the corner....what better way to celebrate than to fill the streets with blood and violence! A hearty MAZEL TOV to all.

[Neuro]

hmm..and add to that, the jewish "holy" days are right around the corner....what better way to celebrate than to fill the streets with blood and violence! A hearty MAZEL TOV to all.
MAZEL TOV JDRock! Unless one believes that Egyptian Copts are really interested in underblowing war sentiments in America! Hmmm... Maybe they were behind 9/11 too. It didn't take long before they found out who Im Becille was anyway. But I do think he was a Patsy, set up to do this film...

[JohnQPublic]

Interview: Terry Jones Takes Death Threats With Cups of Decaf (http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/9/13/interview-terry-jones-takes-death-threats-with-cups-of-decaf)
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It looks like people are confirming the producer of the film is Sam Bacile or Nikoula Baselley Nikoula, and that he has gone into hiding. Do you know anything about that? Do you feel that going into hiding is the righteous thing, or do you think he is being a coward?



Yeah, he definitely is. He has gone into hiding. We talked to him several times, in fact I just talked to him about an hour ago. Let’s put it like this, I don’t think anyone knows his real name. We’re going to help him as much as we can, we’ve stretched out to him because everyone else has pretty much abandoned him now, because they are afraid. Everyone has to decide what they are going to do. For us, we have no intention of going into hiding or backing down. We are going to continue to exercise our First Amendment rights."

[JohnQPublic]

Who Is Alan Roberts, the Director of 'Innocence of Muslims'? We Think His Real Name Is Robert Brownell (http://www.vice.com/read/who-is-alan-roberts-the-director-of-innocence-of-muslims-we-think-his-name-is-robert-brownell)
"The only other people to speak to me on the record were model and Desert Warrior/Innocence of Muslims cast member Tim Dax (http://www.timdax.net) (who respectfully declined an interview with a “:)” and “Way too much!”) and, completely unexpectedly, Jimmy Israel"

"How did you meet Sam Bacile?
I met him through the other fellow, the fellow that originally took over to back the production.

And you’re saying that Sam Bacile is absolutely not Nakoula Basseley?
He’s not, he’s not—I’m sorry, what?
Sam Bacile and Nakoula Basseley are not—
I don’t know, I really don’t know. I heard Nakoula Basseley was the name of his son.
I see, but you’re saying that, as far as you know, they’re not the same person.
Well, he told me it was his son.
Do you know Robert Brownell, aka Robert Brown?
I have no comment on—it’s not my place to comment. I don’t know anybody else.
As far as I know, his name has not been associated with this film thus far. I do have his number and I do have other information about him, but you’re saying you don’t know this man?
No. I’m certain that I have no comment on this person at all. Like I said, I’m only here to comment on my own about myself."

[JohnQPublic]

LA Sheriff: Feds Interview Calif. Filmmaker (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/la-sheriff-feds-interview-calif-filmmaker-17243197)

"A Southern California filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed by federal probation officers at a Los Angeles sheriff's station but was not arrested or detained, authorities said early Saturday.
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was interviewed at the station in his hometown of Cerritos, Calif., Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Don Walker said."

"The probation department is reviewing the case of Nakoula, who pleaded no contest to bank fraud charges in 2010 and was banned from using computers or the Internet or using false identities as part of his sentence."

"Much of the film was shot inside the offices of Media for Christ, a nonprofit based in the Los Angeles-area city of Duarte. The charity raised more than $1 million last year "to glow Jesus' light" to the world."

[mick silver]

Who REALLY Produced the Film 'Desert Warrior' That Is Now Convulsing the Middle East? Actress says was duped, as anti-Islam film details emerge ... The origins of a crudely made anti-Muslim movie that sparked violent protests in Egypt and Libya began to slowly emerge on Wednesday, with an actress in the California production saying she was duped and was unaware it was about the Prophet Mohammad. Cindy Lee Garcia of Bakersfield, California, who appears briefly in clips of the film posted online, said she answered a casting call last year to appear in a movie titled "Desert Warrior." "It looks so unreal to me, it's like nothing that we even filmed was there. There was all this weird stuff there," Garcia told Reuters (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2551');) in a phone interview. Clips of the movie, posted on YouTube under several titles including "Innocence of Muslims," portrayed the Muslim prophet engaged in crude and offensive behavior. Many Muslims consider any depiction of the prophet as blasphemous. Clips had been posted online for weeks before apparently triggering violent demonstrations on Tuesday at the U.S. embassy in Cairo and consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in which U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed. – Reuters
Dominant Social Theme: One crazy film is all it takes to start World War III.
Free-Market Analysis: As part of the evolution of The Daily Bell, we have adopted the idea of "directed history," the idea that the power elite (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=610');) creates a historical narrative to further its globalist ambitions.
This led us to hypothesize some two years ago that the so-called Arab Spring (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2932');) was a pretext to install Islamic republican governments throughout the Middle East in order to foment a religious (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=854');) war with the West.
We also hypothesized that the CIA (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2401');)-penetrated Muslim Brotherhood (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1835');) would be the metaphorical Trojan horse that would be used by Western powers as the antithetical element – the controlled opposition – to ignite this war.
Not a single other publication we know of fully predicted what has come to pass, identifying the Muslim Brotherhood as the controlled opposition and US sponsored Saudi-Wahhabism (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1818');) as the religious trigger.
Don't believe we predicted all this? Just search the Internet for Daily Bell and Islamic Crescent and Muslim Brotherhood.
We point this out not to lobby for Pulitzer Prize (do you think they'd give us one?) but because we want to re-emphasize the relevance of our worldview.
There is a power elite funded by central banking (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2958');) that wants to create world government. It uses directed history, incidents of pre-meditated economic depression, military adventurism and regulatory authoritarianism (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2606');) to support this effort.
Like a boa constrictor, it swallows its prey in gulps. There is much quiet time between efforts at ingestion. But ingest it does. And we are living through a "swallowing time" right now.
We are supposed to believe that the sudden religious blaze in the Middle East that just took the life of a US ambassador and three of his staff members was the result of an obscure movie.
This movie was so unknown that it could hardly generate views on YouTube. Then a strange preacher, Terry Jones, began to promote the movie and brought it to the world's attention. Here's Wikipedia on Jones:
Terry Jones (born October 1951) is the pastor of Dove World Outreach Center, a small fundamentalist Christian church in Gainsville, Florida. He first gained national and international attention in 2010 for his plan to burn Qur'ans, the scripture of the Islamic religion, on the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. He is a self-declared independent presidential candidate in the 2012 U.S. Presidential election.
Jones sounds like a big shot but his total congregation is reportedly 50 ... fifty!
As for the man who produced the movie that has set the Mideast aflame, he was said initially to be a Jew (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=722');) and claimed that the movie was funded by "100 Jews."
This is perhaps the way the elites and their allies work. They want the Jews blamed first and foremost. The alternative media (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=723');) for its own reasons too often plays into the hands of this premeditated meme (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=654');).
In any case, the filmmaker, self-identified as an Israeli-American property developer, Sam Bacile, has a spokesperson, a friend. Reuters reports this friend is Steven Klein, "a southern California man in the insurance business ... [who] described himself as a consultant and a spokesman for the project – but not the filmmaker." Klein believes Bacile's name is a pseudonym.
"I've met him twice, I don't know what country he's from. I do know he's not an Israeli Jew and I can only guess he threw that out to protect his family, which I do know is back in the Middle East," Klein told Reuters in an interview in front of his home in Hemet, California, as he sipped a beer.
And who is Klein? He is a former US Marine who said he advised the filmmaker to go into hiding. Regardless of whether Bacile hides or not, his identity is being revealed. AP reports the following:
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he managed logistics for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya.
Nakoula denied he had directed the film, though he said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cellphone number that the AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where Nakoula was located.
Nakoula told the AP he is a Coptic Christian and supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.
The film was implicated in protests that resulted in the burning of the U.S. consulate Tuesday in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi. Libyan officials said Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other embassy employees were killed during the mob violence, but U.S. officials now say they are investigating whether the assault was a planned terrorist strike linked to Tuesday's 11-year anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.
Nakoula denied he had posed as Sam Bacile. Federal court papers filed in a 2010 criminal prosecution against him said Nakoula had used numerous aliases in the past. Among the fake names, the documents said, were Nicola Bacily and Erwin Salameh.
During a conversation outside his home, Nakoula offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found that middle name as well as other connections to the Bacile persona.
So Bacile may actually be a convicted fraudster named Nakoula. The AP reports:
Nakoula, who talked guardedly about his role, pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and ordered not to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.
Klein makes an appearance in the AP article, too. AP reports that Klein was among those identifying Bacile/Nakoula as a "Jew" before changing his mind and describing him as a Coptic Christian. As for Klein himself, here's how the AP describes his background:
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.
OK, let's try to keep track of the players. There's Bacile/Nakoula who is either a Jew or a Coptic Christian. And there is Klein, a Marine who spends his time on anti-abortion protests, gives out conflicting information about Bacile/Nakoula and acted as an advisor to a little-known film project ... Desert Warrior.
Neither Klein nor Bacile/Nakoula seem to have any previous experience making films. Reuters reports that a screening of the film did not go over well ...
The largely obscure English-language film's low production values were evident in its stilted dialogue and wooden acting. Klein said there was an attempt to screen the full movie at a theater in southern California under a slightly different title, but after 30 minutes into the film no tickets had been sold.
The film was saved for posterity by firebrand pastor Terry Jones who has a history of incitement when it comes to Islamic issues. Here's how Iran's Press TV (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2550');) describes Terry Jones in a recent article entitled, "CIA, Mossad team up to insult Islamic values":
Jones, to most, is an uneducated and lower class figure in a backward area of the American south. His congregation is largely made of weak minded people on the fringe of society, easily coerced and influenced. He has few followers.
However, Jones has another following, one not so easy to detect. Jones moved to Germany in 1981 and established a religious cult in Cologne. Thus, his ties while there were with Israeli intelligence and the P2 Masonic lodge, better known as "Operation Gladio (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=1961');)," the group responsible for the murder of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro and terror bombings that went on into the 90s.
Jones real background is that of an intelligence asset. His personal weakness is narcissism. His strength is his ability to hide behind what appears to be backward and ignorant exterior while actively working as an intelligence agent for a combination of rogue CIA elements, extremists in the former Stasi German group now called the DVD who partner with Israel's Mossad.
Jones is a spy, CIA trained, run by rogue handlers, and heavily promoted by Mossad elements throughout the Middle East and able to garner national news attention in the US when anyone else of his minor following and total lack of credibility would be ignored.
Instead, his every obscene move, his every blasphemy, from his tiny and forgotten church, reaches, not just the front page of every paper but is announced and spread throughout the Islamic world by the hundreds of Israeli agents that infiltrate every Mosque.
Unfortunately, this makes some sense, regardless of the source ... It's hard not to avoid the conclusion, dear reader, that we are once again seeing directed history at work.
In this case, a terrible film that could not attract viewers at its single screening has now convulsed the world. And let's not forget the Muslim Brotherhood. Wouldn't they make an appearance if this were "directed history"? Well, yes, they would and they have ... An article today in the Wall Street Journal tells us that "Karzai, Muslim Brotherhood Condemn Anti-Islam Movie." Here's some more:
Afghan President Hamid Karzai (javascript:showWindow(500,800,'/floatWindow.cfm?id=2553');) and Egypt's ruling Muslim Brotherhood Wednesday angrily denounced a U.S.-produced film harshly critical of the Prophet Muhammad, raising fears that a new wave of violent protests will follow Tuesday's attacks on U.S. diplomatic installations in Cairo and Benghazi, Libya.
Shortly after news emerged that the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other American diplomats were killed in Benghazi, the Afghan presidential palace released a statement condemning the "desecrating act" by the makers of the film, saying that its release "stoked interfaith enmity and confrontation, and badly impacted the peaceful coexistence between human beings."
Conclusion: Bear in mind this movie did not sell a single ticket when it was screened. Now it is the most important film on the planet.
Editor's Note: In addition to our write-up about this film there are now several other reports questioning the cast of characters surrounding "Desert Warrior" (now called "Innocence of Muslims") and the creation of the film itself, which looks as if it has been "repurposed" in a very clumsy way to further "incite" the Arab world. Given the clumsiness and obviousness of the film's manipulation, we confront a further fact of this Internet era, which is that the power elite is hardly bothering to hide its tracks anymore. Having been discovered and dissected, the powers-that-be show us they intend to continue with business as usual. It is a kind of intimidation. "Yes, you understand what we do, but it doesn't matter. You cannot stop us." In fact, this approach bodes terrible violence as the elites are giving up any pretense at justifying their actions. And manipulation without even a pretense of morality likely cannot stand.


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[JohnQPublic]

Report: Softcore porn director behind 'Innocence of Muslims' film that sparked anti-U.S. protests (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/report-softcore-porn-director-behind-innocence-of-muslims-film-that-sparked-anti-u-s-protests-1.465188)"A schlock softporn director named Alan Roberts has been identified as the director of the film that ridicules Muslims and the prophet Muhammed and has incited violent protests across the Middle East, according to a report by Gawker published Saturday.

According to Gawker, an Alan Roberts is listed as director on casting calls and call sheets of "Innocence of Muslims" from the summer of 2011, back when the film was innocuously called "Desert Warriors."

Further, the report says, Roberts' real name is Robert Brownell, a 65-year-old small-time director and editor, whose directing credits include some softcore porn from the 70s and 80s like 1977's "Young Lady Chatterly," "The Sexpert" and "The Happy Hooker Goes to Hollywood," third of the Happy Hooker trilogy. Other credits reportedly include low-budget films like 1991's "Karate Cop" along with 28 editing credits."

"According to the report, "Roberts may have been duped by the film's producer in much the same way as the rest of the cast and crew. They believed they were participating in a period piece about ancient Egypt and had no idea the movie would be edited and dubbed into a piece of Islamophobic propaganda."

The Associated Press reported on Saturday that most of the film was shot using a backdrop to simulate other locations. The crew members received sheets with the scenes each day - never a full script - and Eric Moers, who served as chief electrician for the production, said there was no mention of the word "Muhammed" throughout the filming.

Other actors have come forward to say references to Muhammed were dubbed after the film was shot and they had no idea the film would be so denigrating. "I'd say this was the most unprofessional professional film I've worked on," said Moers, who estimated the cost of production at $100,000. "I don't think anyone took it seriously.""

[JohnQPublic]

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[JohnQPublic]

Such a FUSS over a silly anti-Islam movie! (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/suchafuss.php)



"As I type these words, riots have erupted all across the middle east. Protesters attacked the US Consulate in Benghazi and killed the US Ambassador. In Cairo, protesters have surrounded the US Embassy and chant for the Americans to get out. In Iraq, Yemen, and a dozen other nations, the same is happening.


The consistent theme in all these protests is that America must leave.
The US corporate media tells a different tale. According to ABCNNBBCBSFOX, all this anger is over a silly little movie bashing Mohammed. The film, produced by An Israeli with Jewish donors a Coptic Christian (to get Israel off of the hook) a CIA/Mossad asset who the heck knows, was intentionally created to be as offensive as possible to Muslims. The fact that it was a contrived piece of propaganda from the start is obvious. The entire cast and crew has gone public saying they were duped into making the film, with its offensive content added in during post production. In Hollywood, the normal behavior is to have ones name on everything one works on. That this film's producer worked so hard to keep himself hidden betrays the propaganda agenda. "

[ShortJohnSilver]

Absolutely - this has Hitlery Clinton's fingerprints all over it...

[Canadian-guerilla]

has anyone actually seen these 13 minutes of " film " ?
it looks like someone overdubbed " inflamatory words " onto another film

if this is how easy it is
i could take the movie " Hair " and overdub some crap about Jesus

[JohnQPublic]

has anyone actually seen these 13 minutes of " film " ?
it looks like someone overdubbed " inflamatory words " onto another film

if this is how easy it is
i could take the movie " Hair " and overdub some crap about Jesus

That appears to be what happened.

[JDRock]

Absolutely - this has Hitlery Clinton's fingerprints all over it...
this has the fingerprints of one benjamin netanhahu all over it as well....

[mick silver]

and yet again they cant even keep the people in our embassy alive . the people i know that are in the arm forces are that retired are asking when was the Marines that guard are embassys . you dont even see this on the news . were in the fuck are were the Marines that guard are embassys ? people this needs to be ask BY the news company to the fuckers leading this country

[mick silver]

and not one dead ................... American Embassy Guard QualificationsX
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United States embassies are guided by a special branch of the U.S. Marine Corps (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#) called Marine Security Guards. These men work in small teams to guard and defend embassies around the world. They are run by officers who are centrally located according to their region and who do not go to embassies on a day-to-day basis. Other People


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General Qualifications

While U.S. permanent residents can join the Marines, only citizens can specialize as a security guard. Security guards also need at least 90 on the general technical portion of the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery. What's more, security guards require top secret clearance, which means government representatives will not only go through their official records, they will also interview numerous people from their past—these checks and interviews need to come back spotless.
Security guards also need to be very physically fit. The maximum score for men is 100 crunches in 2 minutes, 20 pull-ups in 2 minutes, and a 6-minute mile run for 3 miles. Since security guard entry is competitive, a male Marine should try to meet these maximums.
The maximum for women is a 1 minute, 10 second flexed-arm hang, 100 crunches in 2 minutes, and a 7-minute mile for 3 miles.



Marital Status and Time in Service

All guards at or below the rank of sergeant are required to have 18 months or more of prior Marine service in a different Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). For the senior noncomissioned officers above the rank of sergeant, this requirement is extended to a minimum of 38 months.
Everyone at or below the rank of sergeant may not be married to be an embassy security guard. Senior noncomissioned officers who run teams of security guards on post are allowed to be married. Their spouse, however, may not be a member of any branch of the military.
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Training

Embassy guards are also put through a training program (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#), which only 60 to 70 percent graduate from. This is because, with six-day weeks and 16-hour days, the training is not easy.
Training involves a combination of the physical training associated with military work, specific weapons training (like how to use a Uzi) and a great deal of academic work into the kinds of threats security guards are going to need to deal with. This means that security guards need to be fit, strong and well-rounded to make it through.




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