Holy Shit, something I can agree with Romney on

[General of Darkness]

While I still know he's NOT going to be working in MY INTERESTS, at least he sounds like there's some small sparks of intelligence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA

[midnight rambler]

Interesting that that's a Mother Jones video (being that Mother Jones is a hard core socialist rag).

[General of Darkness]

Interesting that that's a Mother Jones video (being that Mother Jones is a hard core socialist rag).

Well I think they expect the socialists to love this, not for the sponging sacks of shit that they are.

[Sparky]

Well I think they expect the socialists to love this, not for the sponging sacks of shit that they are.
Yeah, I think that's what's going on here. They're presenting Romney's statements here as blasphemy that Obama voters would view as insulting, whereas we see it as a glimmer of truth.

[MAGNES]

I can agree with many Jews on many issues including agree with NeoCon criminals on many issues.

SO WHAT ?

Especially since he is trying to get elected.

Satan has a smile on his face and plays good guy deceiver.

How old is this story.

Outing the Criminals, capital C, blood suckers.
SIBEL EDMONDS, Resurrecting the Neocons (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63684-SIBEL-EDMONDS-Resurrecting-the-Neocons)



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ROMNEY'S INTELLIGENCE CHIEF AND CAMPAIGN ADVISER
Mitt Romney named Michael Chertoff (http://www.politickernj.com/51511/romney-taps-chertoff-campaign-advisor), the Israeli agent who supervised the destruction of the crucial evidence (http://www.bollyn.com/the-911-cover-up-the-destruction-of-the-steel-evidence) of 9/11, co-chair of his counterterrorism and intelligence advisory committee in October 2011. The 9/11 cover-up continues.

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ROMNEY'S ISRAELI HANDLER
Orit Gadiesh (age 60) is a high-level Israeli military intelligence agent at Bain & Co. who has worked closely with Mitt Romney for decades.
Orit Gadiesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orit_Gadiesh), former "War Room" assistant to Ezer Weizman and Moshe Dayan, is the daughter of Israeli Brigadier General Falk Gadiesh (born Falk Gruenfeld, Berlin, 1921) and his Ukrainian-born wife. Gadiesh is chairman of the management consulting firm Bain & Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_%28consulting%29), the parent company of Bain Capital, and was the company's managing director under CEO Mitt Romney in 1992. "She's like a Jewish mother figure to many of the people at Bain," ex-Bainie Dan Quinn told Fortune (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1996/01/15/207161/index.htm) magazine in 1996.

[vacuum]

A thousand facts can be used to support a lie, but a single fact can disprove a thousand lies

Therefore, look for what's wrong with the picture presented. Going the other way could take forever.

[Sparky]

A thousand facts can be used to support a lie, but a single fact can disprove a thousand lies

Therefore, look for what's wrong with the picture presented. Going the other way could take forever.

What?

[vacuum]

What?
It's the difference between trying to counter each individual point in a debate to prove the main thesis wrong, or simply providing a single fact that shatters the entire argument.

For example, lets say you wanted to prove global warming was false. You could either take every bit of data, information from every weather station, look at every study, and pick it apart piece by piece. Argue why each piece of data doesn't support the main thesis. Or, you can simply show a fact that breaks the entire theory, for example that global temperatures are actually declining. Then all those other million sub-arguments are irrelevant.

Any big theory (big lies or truth), must be internally consistent. So each needs thousands of facts holding it together. Instead of trying to unravel the network of facts which form the web, it's much easier to come up with a single fact that shows an internal inconsistency of the big theory.

In this case, Romney uses conservatism to surround himself with facts. It doesn't matter how many millions of facts Romney collects, the only fact that matters is the one that shatters his whole premise. Like what about the NDAA?

[Sparky]

OK, I get it. But I don't think we're commenting on Romney as a candidate here, but rather the validity of his statements in this particular speech. He generally expressed some truths here that often go unspoken, and they're being presented as though it's some kind of shocking revelation that should offend us all.

[JohnQPublic]

What he says i true- but he is still part of the system. He is complaining that 47% ofpeople pay non income tax. According to Ron Paul, 100% of people should pay no income tax! Remember, a vote for Romney is acquiesciung to a continuation of the scam system. The government has plenty of other legitimate means to raise revenue. They need income tax so they can continue to wage unending wars.

[Shami-Amourae]

I recently saw my mother watching the local news on TV. This clip was being shown as news. I haven't really seen TV in a while, but I didn't know it was now quoting openly Marxist groups. Geez...

[StreetsOfGold]

I[B]Satan has a smile on his face and plays good guy deceiver. How old is this story.
]

Yep, exactly what every Pope does. Good catch... now connect the dots

[Neuro]

Yep, exactly what every Pope does. Good catch... now connect the dots
Romney will be the next pope? ^^^

[Hypertiger]

Because Government is the only entity that can force the rich to give back some of what they stole from the poor that made the poor poor to begin with.

of course the poor will support the government.

But when the Government forces the rich to supply the demands of the Government...All that does is cause the rich to demand more from the poor to make up the difference.

The poor in power are poor and not taxed because the rich became rich in power by making the poor as poor as they are to obtain the power the rich have.

"The subjects of every state (Bottom) ought to contribute towards the support of the government (TOP), as nearly as possible in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."--Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations 1776

"Governments of the absolute capitalistic hierarchial food powered make work enterprise are administration systems of the enterprise constructed and sustained by the bottom or employees at the demand of the top or owners of the absolute capitalistic hierarchial food powered make work enterprise"--Hypertiger

The rich are not the owners of the absolute capitalist enterprise...They are just the top of the bottom...or servants above the slaves.

The top or owners divide and conquer the bottom into two opposing factions...The rich servants and the poor slaves.

Government is just an administration system of the enterprise which the owners own and use to manipulate and control all below.

Who are the owners?

obviously none of you...Yes You think you do...but don't actually own anything.

All the money globally is owned by the top and all below just rent it...and the cost to pay the rent is hidden in the prices of everything.

All the gold and silver is owed to the top by the bottom...It's only yours as long as you don't spend it.

It's better being a rich servant than a poor slave of course...but being an owner is best.

[Bigjon]

I gave you a thanks, for not calling us morons. The new toned down hypercat.

[Steal]

I gave you a thanks, for not calling us morons. The new toned down hypercat.

Agreed! In fact wondering if it is the "real" HT. I mean, where is the "But once maximum potential is reached and it becomes impossible to sustain inflation greater than previous inflation any longer...inflation greater than previous inflation transforms into inflation less than previous inflation to maximum potential." type phrase used to identify the real HT.

[Santa]

His posts contain substance. Food for thought. It's Hypertiger. Don't drive him away. Besides, you all ARE morons. :)

[ArizonaDad]

I am a Romney supporter, and I will vote. But what Romney said in this instance is not exactly true. Sure, 47% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes. But that is not the same as being "dependent on government". If they work, they do pay FICA and Medicare taxes. And everybody pays sales taxes and property taxes, directly or indirectly. And many, if not most of the 47% do not receive government assistance. A family with five children, making $75,000 a year, with normal deductions could conceivably have a net federal tax liability of zero. It's not that they are "dependent on government". The government is just less dependent on them.

[Shami-Amourae]

Shouldn't you be on this (http://www.goldismoney2.com/forum.php) forum?

[JohnQPublic]

I think this could have been leaked by the Romney campaign. It allows him to say what he otherwise really could not say (publicly).

[sirgonzo420]

I am a Romney supporter, and I will vote. But what Romney said in this instance is not exactly true. Sure, 47% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes. But that is not the same as being "dependent on government". If they work, they do pay FICA and Medicare taxes. And everybody pays sales taxes and property taxes, directly or indirectly. And many, if not most of the 47% do not receive government assistance. A family with five children, making $75,000 a year, with normal deductions could conceivably have a net federal tax liability of zero. It's not that they are "dependent on government". The government is just less dependent on them.


You're a Mormon too, aren't ya?

:)

[midnight rambler]

You're a Mormon too, aren't ya?

:)

Ya never know, he could be married to the forum Death Cult Kool-Aid drinking Rombot.

[Sparky]

I am a Romney supporter, and I will vote. But what Romney said in this instance is not exactly true. Sure, 47% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes. But that is not the same as being "dependent on government". If they work, they do pay FICA and Medicare taxes. And everybody pays sales taxes and property taxes, directly or indirectly. And many, if not most of the 47% do not receive government assistance. A family with five children, making $75,000 a year, with normal deductions could conceivably have a net federal tax liability of zero. It's not that they are "dependent on government". The government is just less dependent on them.

What's annoying about this whole controversy is that everyone is parsing his words to find some inaccuracy, like what you're trying to point out. Yet the essence of what he is saying is what's important, and it's generally true, i.e. our system is set up to reward laziness and create generational dependence. True, not everyone who receives assistance is lazy, and many people who pay no income tax still pay payroll tax. But it doesn't change the essence of his point.

[Horn]

As Jesse say's most wars boil over religions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAmJ9oAy1mc

You've been freely forced to choose,

Obama - Socialism

Romney - WWIII

figure you're 50/50

[ArizonaDad]

What's annoying about this whole controversy is that everyone is parsing his words to find some inaccuracy, like what you're trying to point out. Yet the essence of what he is saying is what's important, and it's generally true, i.e. our system is set up to reward laziness and create generational dependence. True, not everyone who receives assistance is lazy, and many people who pay no income tax still pay payroll tax. But it doesn't change the essence of his point.

I agree. But it's not 47% that is "dependent on the government". I would really like to know what the percentage is. The exaggerated figure tends to highlight that the figure is exaggerated. The real number, with credibility, would be more effective.

[sirgonzo420]

I agree. But it's not 47% that is "dependent on the government". I would really like to know what the percentage is. The exaggerated figure tends to highlight that the figure is exaggerated. The real number, with credibility, would be more effective.

Make sure to include all government employees and all employees of companies who have government contracts - they are all welfare recipients, along with the food stampers and Section 8 renters.

The roots run deep!

[JohnQPublic]

Make sure to include all government employees and all employees of companies who have government contracts - they are all welfare recipients, along with the food stampers and Section 8 renters.

The roots run deep!

That is not completely true. Some government employees do a job that would be required to be done in any case. In some cases you could argue that the private sector would do a better job, but still, the job may still need to be done.

[sirgonzo420]

That is not completely true. Some government employees do a job that would be required to be done in any case. In some cases you could argue that the private sector would do a better job, but still, the job may still need to be done.

True, but the question is: Who is PAYING for all of this?

A certain job may need to be done, but if the person being paid to do that job is being paid with funds stolen/swindled from others, then they are, in my eyes, essentially welfare recipients, or in other words, suckers-at-the-taxpayer-teat (this is still a euphemistic rendering of my opinion... in reality, people who receive their paychecks from pieces of other non-consenting peoples' paychecks are little thieves who are using the big thief of government as their proxy).

One is not entitled to the property of another.

[JohnQPublic]

True, but the question is: Who is PAYING for all of this?

A certain job may need to be done, but if the person being paid to do that job is being paid with funds stolen/swindled from others, then they are, in my eyes, essentially welfare recipients, or in other words, suckers-at-the-taxpayer-teat (this is still a euphemistic rendering of my opinion... in reality, people who receive their paychecks from pieces of other non-consenting peoples' paychecks are little thieves who are using the big thief of government as their proxy).

One is not entitled to the property of another.

Not all government revenue is theft. Income tax likely is.

[Sparky]

I agree. But it's not 47% that is "dependent on the government". I would really like to know what the percentage is. The exaggerated figure tends to highlight that the figure is exaggerated. The real number, with credibility, would be more effective.

Right, it's not 47%. The real amount is "too many". You're right, the use of an exaggerated number has misdirected the content of his statement.

On the radio this morning, I heard the anti-Romney people say that the abuse of the system is really only about 15 or 20%. Wait, isn't that huge??

[sirgonzo420]

Not all government revenue is theft. Income tax likely is.


The way I see it, the governments institute income taxes, which are theft.

Any "lawful" funds that are raised by governments are in a way subsidized by the stolen income taxes.

Thus, anyone that gov't hires is basically being paid with stolen funds.


It's kinda like the argument that is sometimes made that the government "does not fund abortions".... but the gov't does fund other expenses for Planned Parenthood, etc, which in turn frees up funds for abortions, although slightly more "indirectly" (at least, that's the perception).

See what I mean?

If I'm buying a stereo from some guy out of the back of his van in a gas station parking lot, the stereo is not any *less* stolen just because he was also trying to sell me some CDs that he *had bought* previously.

unlawful input + lawful input = unlawful output

A poisoned tree gives poisoned fruit.

[nunaem]

Uh oh, Mitt accidentally said something true. Now he's going to have to apologize.

[ArizonaDad]

Romney didn't say that he didn't like the people who don't pay federal income taxes, or that he wouldn't care for them as President. He said that he had nothing to offer them to get their votes. They will all be voting for Obama. He said that those who pay no income taxes are not affected by his promise to reduce federal income taxes for all.

It has only been recently that we have come to believe that a president will only care for the voting blocks that placed him in office. That says more about Obama than it says about Romney.

[sirgonzo420]

Romney didn't say that he didn't like the people who don't pay federal income taxes, or that he wouldn't care for them as President. He said that he had nothing to offer them to get their votes. They will all be voting for Obama. He said that those who pay no income taxes are not affected by his promise to reduce federal income taxes for all.

It has only been recently that we have come to believe that a president will only care for the voting blocks that placed him in office. That says more about Obama than it says about Romney.


So Mitt is "better" than Obama.

So America better choose him next to steal (albeit ostensibly less) from her and be in charge of the people who fondle her children in airports, all while he pimps her out to israel.


"Mitt Romney: This Cycle's Lesser Evil!"

[midnight rambler]

Romney didn't say that he didn't like the people who don't pay federal income taxes, or that he wouldn't care for them as President. He said that he had nothing to offer them to get their votes. They will all be voting for Obama. He said that those who pay no income taxes are not affected by his promise to reduce federal income taxes for all.

It has only been recently that we have come to believe that a president will only care for the voting blocks that placed him in office. That says more about Obama than it says about Romney.

Mittens has no problem with NDAA, otherwise he'd be addressing that matter, wouldn't he?? Silence is acceptance. What do you have to say about that??

[sirgonzo420]

Mittens has no problem with NDAA, otherwise he'd be addressing that matter, wouldn't he?? Silence is acceptance. What do you have to say about that??

Mitt Romney is a Mormon whose favorite book is a book written by the guy who made up Scientology.

I'm sure that ArizonaDad would agree that he's the best man for the job, even if he supports baby slaughter, both domestic and abroad, and "common sense" gun control.