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EE_
25th September 2012, 01:20 PM
September 25, 2012 By The Doc 24 Comments

As silver investors are likely aware, leading silver analyst Ted Butler has openly speculated whether JP Morgan’s alleged massive short silver position is held on behalf a client such as the Federal Reserve (with the intent to prop up the dollar by suppressing gold and silver) or the Chinese government (with the intent of acquiring physical gold and silver bullion at a discount due to their massive paper short position on the futures market).

The Doc has long privately wondered whether the bullion banks’ PM short positions could actually be leveraging their own physical bullion accumulation by artificially suppressing the paper futures price.

These thoughts originate in our following of Jim Sinclair, who has always maintained that the bullion banks will be the one’s making the lion’s share of the profits in this great secular gold and silver bull market. One thing the bullion banksters are not is dumb, and they can see the writing on the wall for the US dollar as well as any SD or ZH reader.
New commentary from a bullion insider who claims to have personally managed the movement of 27 million ounces of gold from HSBC’s vaults into JP Morgan’s seems to substantiate Sinclair’s claims.

The industry insider has come forward claiming that JP Morgan’s paper short position is in fact a hedged trade (as Blythe Masters claimed here)- and claims that JPM is in fact MASSIVELY LONG PHYSICAL GOLD AND SILVER HELD IN THEIR OWN PRIVATE VAULTS while short the paper futures market.
Is JP Morgan actually a double agent shorting the paper metals market for their own benefit?

The claim is not only rational, but it also would perfectly explain why the CFTC has opened three separate investigations into silver market manipulation, and has yet to charge anyone with manipulation of silver.

Clearly, if JP Morgan’s commodities desk was accumulating massive physical gold and silver inventories in their own personal vaults, they would be able to claim their paper short position is a legitimate hedge- essentially leveraging their physical position against the paper COMEX futures market itself.

Miles Franklin’s David Schectman states he has been in contact with the insider, who claims JPM is massively long physical gold and silver bullion stored in their own warehouses:

Whereas Ted Butler focuses on JP Morgan and “the Big Four Commercial Banks,” and their perpetual “short” position in silver (and gold), I don’t recall him ever suggesting that they actually own the physical silver to offset their short positions.

My friend Trader David R flatly states that this IS the case; he has seen the silver with his own eyes in London. In fact, he asked me to come with him last year and told me he would bring me to the vaults and personally show me the silver. Last winter he emailed me and said, “I will be going to London in May; if want to come along, I am sure I can get you a tour of a few of the major banks vaults (JPM included) and you can see all of the gold and silver for yourself ?”

For those inquiring minds wishing for a little background on this mysterious gold trader David R:

I worked at some of the largest bullion banks in the world over my career and I ran all types of books and did a lot of business with Central Banks around the globe. I was involved in the largest gold hedge ever done in the history of the world back in 1996. This has been my life for the past 18 years. From 2000 to 2006 I was the gold trader at Barclays London. I have worked for AIG, Barclays, and UBS, some of the biggest bullion desks in the world.

I worked for three of the major bullion banks for 11 years and was in charge of Barkleys gold book and the hired 42 Brinks trucks to move our 27 million ounces of gold out of HSBC ‘s vault and into JPMs vault when HSBC raised storage costs on us, I am 100% positive that it’s there. I know we had 27 million ounces of gold on our daily balance sheet and the other big banks all had around the same amounts.

David R left Barclays and moved to Manhattan to work for one of the largest and most successful privately held hedge funds in NYC. He was in charge of the precious metals trading department, and supervised dozens of the most talented precious metal’s traders in NYC. I was told by a reliable source that every metals trader worth his salt would kill to work for that firm. The traders were not salaried, they worked on commission and they all made BIG money. That is where I met David. He gave me a personal tour of their trading department. His understanding of the gold and silver industry and his resume is as good as it gets.

The trader states that JPM is indeed massively long physical precious metals and set to vastly benefit from the coming mania, precisely as Jim Sinclair has long predicted:

They buy the physical silver at the same time they sell the future (on Comex) futures trade in contango (higher price than spot physical) they get zero interest rate cash from FED so borrow the money for free, they own the vaults to store the silver…. so as the future comes to maturity they can either settle against their physical long or roll the future to collect more free contango…. This is pure arbitrage paid for by the FED. This has been going on for over 30 years and why shouldn’t they be allowed to have 25% of the Open Interest? There is no manipulation because they are short the futures and long the physical and have “ZERO” price risk, but nice profits! It’s brilliant trading and completely 100% legal and that’s why they will never be charged with manipulation because there is none going on. Sometimes it’s just that easy!

David R states there is no massive shortage of physical silver- it is just being hoarded by the bullion banks in their own private vaults ahead of dollar devaluation and collapse:
Let’s go and visit their vaults and you can see all the physical silver there… Lease rates are at full carry +. There is no shortage what so ever and the banks are charging 40 bp for storage because they cannot find any more space to put it all, you can take all the physical you want! The JPM manipulation is not a manipulation, but a way of trading that has been going on for years. JPM is short futures (due to contango) and long physical. People need to understand that metals are just a derivative of the interest rate market and once people do, they will get a better understanding why the market moves the way it does.

I explained to you what HSBC and JPM do on the silver. They get $ from the FED for free. They own all the storage vaults, so they do not have to pay the fees for storage. They then own the physical silver in their vaults and sell the futures contracts (which are in contango) at a much higher price than OTC price so then hold the both till delivery. Since there is no cost for $ and no cost for storage, they made a fortune on earning the contango of the silver and gold market. It’s a brilliant strategy, which has made them a fortune.

If you sat with me for a day I could show you how this market really works.

Miles Franklin’s David Schectman states he has known David R for over four years, that he is legitimate and the real deal, and that although David states JPM’s short silver (and gold) positions are NOT naked, it is massively bullish for both metals, stating:
He is absolutely convinced that gold and silver are going MUCH, MUCH higher. He told me last week that with the Fed’s latest “open-ended” QE edict, the dollar and bond market are done, finished and the bull market in gold is guaranteed! As far as he is concerned, Bernanke has sold out our kids and grandchildren and it no longer makes any difference who occupies the White House!

As mentioned previously, if JPM is shorting gold and silver futures with the intent of eventually breaking the futures market/ physical price link to the metals, this would explain motive (pure profit- always the ONLY motive for a bankster), as well as the reason why the CFTC has been unable to charge JPM with manipulation of the silver market- even though they routinely fleece the specs using their algos and raids.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/is-jp-morgan-shorting-paper-metals-while-acquiring-massive-physical-stockpiles-of-gold-silver/

mamboni
25th September 2012, 01:40 PM
This is very compelling information. We need commentary on these revelations from the likes of Jim Willie (who claims that western banks have sold their gold to the far east) and James Turk (who maintains that there is a shortage of physical gold and silver).

If I understand this, the banks are selling contracts on their massive horde of physical gold and silver and skimming profits on the carrying cost (contango).

Ponce
25th September 2012, 01:47 PM
The future is PM.......do you have any?..........who me? nope, lost it all in a boat accident :)

hoarder
25th September 2012, 01:47 PM
The motive for PM manipulation:
PM's represent an alternative to fiat. This is against the interests of banksters.
Whenever PM's go up it sends a message to the masses that something is wrong with our monetary ststem. This is against the interests of banksters.
PM's are the main checks and balances that hinder the unlimited power of banks. This is against the interests of banksters.

All the gold and silver in the world is not even spit in a bucket compared to the global fiat bankster machine. They don't give a rats ass about making money on PM price moves. Their only objective is to suppress PM prices and make them as unpredictable as possible.
If banksters are "Acquiring Massive Physical Stockpiles", it is only for the purpose of manipulating them DOWN later.

mamboni
25th September 2012, 01:53 PM
The motive for PM manipulation:
PM's represent an alternative to fiat. This is against the interests of banksters.
Whenever PM's go up it sends a message to the masses that something is wrong with our monetary ststem. This is against the interests of banksters.
PM's are the main checks and balances that hinder the unlimited power of banks. This is against the interests of banksters.

All the gold and silver in the world is not even spit in a bucket compared to the global fiat bankster machine. They don't give a rats ass about making money on PM price moves. Their only objective is to suppress PM prices and make them as unpredictable as possible.
If banksters are "Acquiring Massive Physical Stockpiles", it is only for the purpose of manipulating them DOWN later.

But your position contradicts the premise of the OP's article. We need to determine the truth, if any, in this. If the OP is correct, then the large banks are holding all the cards vis-s-vis the physical market. That would be a bitter pill to swallow.

Neuro
25th September 2012, 01:55 PM
The author didn't go and see the vaults in London? The reason why CFTC doesn't manage to get to JPM's manipulation is because they don't try! As far as I understand it Silver have been running massive deficits for many years, so the idea that massive storages are around is problematic, certainly it is possible that the supply and demand statistics are fraudulent, I have no way of evaluating that, but one would think that someone would discover/investigate that...

I think this is disinfo! But of good quality!

chad
25th September 2012, 02:00 PM
if you were a big bank, and you knew behind the scenes that a return to a full or partial backed PM currency was coming, wouldn't it be nice if you held vast amounts of the PMs? that way, you could have a large hand in manipulating the new currency, just like you did the old one.

MAGNES
25th September 2012, 02:03 PM
There is some truth in the article, and I have big problems with a lot of it,
especially " the doc " who has a lot of bogus articles on his site, and these
articles contradict what he is saying here, he dares mention Butler but never
really promotes Butlers work, mainly CRIMEX COT SHORTS, and their operation,
he is also covering for the control masters, " why the CFTC ", bogus, CFTC is
corrupt, there are no rules and there is no Justice. Big banks do have physical,
who really owns it ? I highly suspect and have posted many times they have
hidden stockpiles of physical, and usually post this when it is crunch time
at COMEX, when all you cheerleaders come out, LOL , default, NOT !
What happened to SIL ? Posted this many times. " the doc " needs to
find out who the traders are and where the volume is coming from
and cut the bullshit with his sensational bogus articles. I was one of
the first people here and anywhere to ask this question and documented
this on this forum as it happened. I suspect it is all high freq like the news
revelations of GS and black box trading, high percentage of trades, same
criminals, like a big meat grinder for legitimate traders to stick their head in.
Here we are again on a key line, many by tens of thousands of trades being
swung in and out till they flush everyone out and take their money.

This was an anomaly from past, came with major breakout.

Capping Silver, Massive Volume Price Drops

(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?48305-Capping-Silver-Massive-Volume-Price-Drops)

The Doc, one of the best things he did.
Sprott: No Economic Recovery (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63728-Sprott-No-Economic-Recovery)

Neuro
25th September 2012, 02:08 PM
Chad, those that control the banks, they control also almost all physical gold. They'll let the banks collapse and then they start over a new system with the gold. The banks are just empty shells to process worthless digital dollars, and when people realize their bank statements are worthless, they close.

tater
25th September 2012, 02:10 PM
Antal Fekete has disagreed with the naked short thingie for a while...

http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1213880004.php

Putting Loincloth on the Naked Bogeyman

By: Antal E. F

...What is seen and what is not seen



Those who hold that there is market manipulation are victims of an optical illusion. What appears as an oversize naked short position involving no more than eight trading houses or bullion banks, is just the visible side of basis trading in silver. But there is another, invisible side as well. The invisible side is hedged metal in private hoards, in the reserves of bullion banks and, possibly, in secret government depositories...

gunDriller
25th September 2012, 03:40 PM
But your position contradicts the premise of the OP's article. We need to determine the truth, if any, in this. If the OP is correct, then the large banks are holding all the cards vis-s-vis the physical market. That would be a bitter pill to swallow.

not necessarily, if i understand the rest of the thread.

the US has a "strong dollar policy", and has had for a long time. part of that policy is manipulation of currency markets, including PM's.


but a smart investor is loading up on PM's when prices are where they are now. among other things, JP Morgue's job is to represent smart investors, and JP Morgue may even occasionally behave like a smart investor themselves.

loading up on physical when you're expecting an additional 500% to 1000% price increase in the next 5 years, just makes sense.


plus there's other pieces of the puzzle - daily moves that reflect short term selfish interests, and strategies and tactics that we can only deduce from looking at visible parts of the puzzle.


i would say the general public is thoroughly mesmerized by the US $. they actually believe it has value, and they get upset when they hear sensible arguments questioning its value.

i say this partially from talking to 2 of my brothers. one is a VP for a large real estate firm, the other is a VP for an Internet business software start-up. they both sing from the US gov. song-sheet - word for word, line by line.

vacuum
25th September 2012, 04:01 PM
At the end of the day, the question that needs to be asked is: who has vaults with armed guards guarding large amounts of metals?