The Digital Revolution & How Books Will Be Banned in the 21st Century

[Katmandu]

This is one reason that I don't like Kindle.

Pretty good article.

The Digital Revolution & How Books Will Be Banned in the 21st Century
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/9/24/the-digital-revolution-how-books-will-be-banned-in-the-21st-.html

[k-os]

Imagine how easy it would be to control the entire population if there were no more books (no internet either). No history, no range of philosophical ideas.

Let's say everyone decides to get Kindle's (over time, of course, maybe a decade or even two). Since everyone has this new gadget, they toss out all of their dusty old fashioned books. Then, something crazy happens like a giant solar flare, or an EMP attack, and poof, no more books. It would take a couple of generations, but all of that knowledge would be lost completely. We all know TBTB are a patient bunch of jerks. Of course, they'd make some books available - the ones that suit their purposes.

Hey, what if something similar to this has happened already in history? Maybe in Alexandria?

[chad]

this is already happening. amazon has repeatedly been caught deleting books from people's kindles when they synch to a computer because "they decided they didn't like the content of the books." google "amazon deletes books." tons of articles about it.

[Dogman]

this is already happening. amazon has repeatedly been caught deleting books from people's kindles when they synch to a computer because "they decided they didn't like the content of the books." google "amazon deletes books." tons of articles about it. There was a big stink about that. Big backlash from kindle owners and from the way it looks now they do not do that any more. I think it was in 2010 that this all happened.

But it does prove it can be done! That is one very major reason that I copy all of my books bought from ANYONE gets copied onto an external HD. I back up everything onto more than one device.

That way if anything does get removed, nothing is lost.

[sirgonzo420]

I fuckin' love it.

I can't seem to go into my local used bookstore without leaving with an armful of books for less than one would spend almost anywhere else on almost anything else.

And there are oodles of books on Amazon, some of them over a hundred years old, that can be purchased and shipped for under $5. Hell, multiple times when purchasing used books through Amazon, I have discovered, upon receipt, that the books were signed by the author (sometimes, the author had died years before).

My house has books stacked all over the place. Some of them are law books which originally sold for hundreds of dollars that I got for orders of magnitude cheaper.

While everyone else seems to be watching Dancing With the Stars, I'm buying books that no one seems to give a damn about anymore, and with a smile on my face.

[chad]

I fuckin' love it.

I can't seem to go into my local used bookstore without leaving with an armful of books for less than one would spend almost anywhere else on almost anything else.

And there are oodles of books on Amazon, some of them over a hundred years old, that can be purchased and shipped for under $5. Hell, multiple times when purchasing used books through Amazon, I have discovered, upon receipt, that the books were signed by the author (sometimes, the author had died years before).

My house has books stacked all over the place. Some of them are law books which originally sold for hundreds of dollars that I got for orders of magnitude cheaper.

While everyone else seems to be watching Dancing With the Stars, I'm buying books that no one seems to give a damn about anymore, and with a smile on my face.

yeah, but you can read.

[mick silver]

when we go to sales we alway bid on boxes of books . some times we get lucky

[Dogman]

I fuckin' love it.

I can't seem to go into my local used bookstore without leaving with an armful of books for less than one would spend almost anywhere else on almost anything else.

And there are oodles of books on Amazon, some of them over a hundred years old, that can be purchased and shipped for under $5. Hell, multiple times when purchasing used books through Amazon, I have discovered, upon receipt, that the books were signed by the author (sometimes, the author had died years before).

My house has books stacked all over the place. Some of them are law books which originally sold for hundreds of dollars that I got for orders of magnitude cheaper.

While everyone else seems to be watching Dancing With the Stars, I'm buying books that no one seems to give a damn about anymore, and with a smile on my face.

Agree!

I have not given up printed (Real) books ether. I just like the fact that in less than 10 minuets I can clear out of here and still have my library with me where ever I go, in something that can fit into a coat pocket.

There is nothing that can replace the look, feel and sometimes smell of the printed word. But moving a personal library can be a total bitch and pain in the ass, sometimes.

[Ponce]

As I posted the other day, I got myself a Kindler and I love it because is easy to take with me when I go out....but......
when I stopped at the $ store on my way back from the VA I found a "real" book for a $ by the name of "The Sacred Blood" and that's what I reading right now (good story line).......when ever I also go to my favorite "Senior Thrieft Store" I also come out with a large bag full of books that they sell for $2.00..........When my X came to see me about three years a go she found a bunch of book for which she made good money, she deals with used books.......and three "James Bonds" first edition that cost me $1.00 elsewhere she sold them for $46.00-65.00..........in a corner of living room I am looking at around 3,000 books that I haven't read yet.......getting ready for when TSHTF and there is no more power.

First post of the day.........good morning to one and all.

[sirgonzo420]

Agree!

I have not given up printed (Real) books ether. I just like the fact that in less than 10 minuets I can clear out of here and still have my library with me where ever I go, in something that can fit into a coat pocket.

There is nothing that can replace the look, feel and sometimes smell of the printed word. But moving a personal library can be a total bitch and pain in the ass, sometimes.

I agree completely.

I have thought about getting a Kindle, because it can hold so much in such a small space (assuming there is electricity in the future and assuming Amazon doesn't delete your shit) and would be good for "grab-and-go".

If I had to move all my books in a hurry, I'd be fucked. Maybe I need metal bookshelves with doors and wheels.

It's not as "new" or "flashy", but paper is still vastly more permanent than any digital medium.

I have 500 year old paper that is more readable to me than a floppy disk or a ZIP disk.

Kindle is good for ease of accessibility, books are good for permanence.

[mamboni]

I download eBooks and whole websites and routinely back them up to external HD and burn them to DVD ROMs.

Remember the book people in Fahrenheit 451? Now we have DVDs and BluRays. Of course, if our disk drive readers fail or PCs fail then we are screwed. Collecting physical books takes up huge amount of space and books don't last forever. Maintaining knowledge over decades and centuries is very challenging, even with the digital revolution - perhaps more so.

[Dogman]

I agree completely.

I have thought about getting a Kindle, because it can hold so much in such a small space (assuming there is electricity in the future and assuming Amazon doesn't delete your shit) and would be good for "grab-and-go".

If I had to move all my books in a hurry, I'd be fucked. Maybe I need metal bookshelves with doors and wheels.

It's not as "new" or "flashy", but paper is still vastly more permanent than any digital medium.

I have 500 year old paper that is more readable to me than a floppy disk or a ZIP disk.

Kindle is good for ease of accessibility, books are good for permanence. Agree.

About every month or if I download a bunch of new books to my kindle (s) I will hook up the usb cable and make a backup of all content on my kindle. Then when I have enough backups to hard drive I will burn a cd or dvd (depending).

Paper (non-acid) if stored carefully will last for century's and digital is a joke compared to that.

But it will sure in the hell out live me!

[Neuro]

We have a second hand store close to our house in Sweden, were we bought most of our furniture and kitchen utensils, usually they have books they give away for free there also, classics, and I tend to bring a bundle home from there every time we visit. Other things I like to buy are vinyl records, oil/kerosene lamps and old manual hand tools. I think it is important preps, probably long term more important than food preps actually, if you can maintain a sense of normalcy and culture, your spirit will rejoice.

I was considering buying a kindle (which is difficult if you're in Turkey anyway). I feel less inclined now, even though they promised not to do it again, they have the capability...

[big country]

I perfer the Barnes and Noble Nook over the kindle. It is more open and can read epub files, argueably the "standard" for ebooks (lots of free ones available in that format...and most are available to "pirate", especially blockbusters if that is your thing). Use Calibre to manage the files on your computer.

I like real books too, but its easy and cheap (free) to get a huge backlog on your Nook to read. Kindle/Nook won't remove books you haven't aquired using their services (their bookstores). Putting your own books on your device is called "sideloading" if you want to read more about how to do it on your specific device.

[madfranks]

There was a big stink about that. Big backlash from kindle owners and from the way it looks now they do not do that any more. I think it was in 2010 that this all happened.

But it does prove it can be done! That is one very major reason that I copy all of my books bought from ANYONE gets copied onto an external HD. I back up everything onto more than one device.

That way if anything does get removed, nothing is lost.

I'm a huge fan of Amazon's Kindle, so I'm going to chip in a few things that may not have been considered yet. First, due to copyright law, even if you buy a hard copy of a book, you don't "own" the rights to the book, but you do own a copy. Since amazon ebooks are completely digital, you can't "own" the book, but are licensed to read it. I'm not saying I agree with this, I don't (in fact I disagree with all copyright laws), but that's just the way it is. Due to copyright claims, Amazon had to revoke the licenses of certain ebooks they sold. But, it is so ridiculously easy to strip the DRM (digital rights management) from any ebooks you buy from amazon, there is no excuse to anyone who wants to protect their ebooks from not doing so.

Also, there's really no way the OP scenario of TPTB remotely deleting every instance of a certain ebook they don't like could ever happen. As mentioned before, amazon doesn't own a monopoly on ebooks, there are so many different ebook formats that it is no stretch to say that any sufficiently popular book released on the net will be copied/exported/converted into the safe formats that can't be identified remotely.

[Katmandu]

The content of history textbooks has slowly and purposefully been changed decade by decade. I'm sure a US History and World History textbook was quite a bit different just 50+ years ago compared to now. Can you imagine how much easier it will be for them to re-write history in another 50 years when all books and textbooks have gone digital? Only the highly self-motivated student will have a chance at peering into real history.

[Katmandu]

I just had a flashback to the movie, "The Book of Eli" with Denzel Washington.

[Dogman]

I'm a huge fan of Amazon's Kindle, so I'm going to chip in a few things that may not have been considered yet. First, due to copyright law, even if you buy a hard copy of a book, you don't "own" the rights to the book, but you do own a copy. Since amazon ebooks are completely digital, you can't "own" the book, but are licensed to read it. I'm not saying I agree with this, I don't (in fact I disagree with all copyright laws), but that's just the way it is. Due to copyright claims, Amazon had to revoke the licenses of certain ebooks they sold. But, it is so ridiculously easy to strip the DRM (digital rights management) from any ebooks you buy from amazon, there is no excuse to anyone who wants to protect their ebooks from not doing so.

Also, there's really no way the OP scenario of TPTB remotely deleting every instance of a certain ebook they don't like could ever happen. As mentioned before, amazon doesn't own a monopoly on ebooks, there are so many different ebook formats that it is no stretch to say that any sufficiently popular book released on the net will be copied/exported/converted into the safe formats that can't be identified remotely.

Calibre is my friend along with my very good friend, Apprentice Alf's special plugins.

First order of the day after any download of books is to run them through Calibre and have the DRM stripped. That way I can read any book on any reader in the kindle format or any other that I chose.

I also agree with all you have said, With all of the readers out in the world, and all of the different readers being used, the genie is out of the bottle once a book becomes digitized. There is no way in hell that anyone can find and delete any books across the board.

[Gaillo]

I use both regularly... I have a HUGE library of paper books, and about 5X as many in digital form.
All of the really important stuff... classics, reference, history, how-to, etc. are "physically" backed up, on paper printout or in original paper book form. I don't trust electronic books to make it through what I think is coming up.

[singular_me]

while it is kinda terrifying, my travel companion and I have saved all the alternative knowledge we could find on the net, it took him more than 2 years to compile the database, almost 1.7 terabyte so far (all the videos have been compressed). We are still adding stuff as time goes. So whatever happens to the internet, we feel like we can rescue humanity from ignorance if needed. LOL

[Ponce]

About my Kindler...... are the books in my Kindler or the Kindler only give me access to Amazon who has the book in storage for me?..................sorry if I am ignorant about this but I am still learning about this world.

[Katmandu]

My hats off to all who can read a book on a Kindle screen. It must be a mental block for me or something. I need to have a hardcopy in my hand. Or probably because I am A.D.D and like to skip around alot in some books.

Anybody else read magazine articles or internet articles from the bottom up rather than the top down?

[Dogman]

About my Kindler...... are the books in my Kindler or the Kindler only give me access to Amazon who has the book in storage for me?..................sorry if I am ignorant about this but I am still learning about this world.

You should have both!

The books on your kindle and the books that you bought that amazon stores for you. They do not store any books that you got somewhere else.

Have you hooked your kindle to your computer yet? If you do go to the document folder, that holds all of the books on your kindle.

A good practice is to copy all of that folder to a directory on your computer.

Amazon keeps copy's of your books because if you delete or something happens to them, You can always download what you bought back into your kindle.

[Gaillo]

Wow!
I just realized why GS-US people are "cut above te rest"! People here actually know how to read... a true rarity in modern society! ;D

[k-os]

My hats off to all who can read a book on a Kindle screen. It must be a mental block for me or something. I need to have a hardcopy in my hand. Or probably because I am A.D.D and like to skip around alot in some books.

Anybody else read magazine articles or internet articles from the bottom up rather than the top down?

I read magazines from back to front, exclusively. But I read the articles top to bottom. :)

[Katmandu]

Wow!
I just realized why GS-US people are "cut above te rest"! People here actually know how to read... a true rarity in modern society! ;D

Yeah but we are also a little crazy too, we read stuff baaaaaaccckkkkkwaarrddds.

[singular_me]

while it is kinda terrifying, my travel companion and I have saved all the alternative knowledge we could find on the net, it took him more than 2 years to compile the database, almost 1.7 terabyte so far (all the videos have been compressed). We are still adding stuff as time goes. So whatever happens to the internet, we feel like we can rescue humanity from ignorance if needed. LOL

edit
not just movies/docs ... we also have an immense e-books library.

[Katmandu]

I have a techie job, but then I come home where I am eons behind everyone else when it comes to technology.

Let's see, I can't find my abacus, maybe it's time I invest in a slide-rule.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Imagine how easy it would be to control the entire population if there were no more books (no internet either). No history, no range of philosophical ideas.

Let's say everyone decides to get Kindle's (over time, of course, maybe a decade or even two). Since everyone has this new gadget, they toss out all of their dusty old fashioned books. Then, something crazy happens like a giant solar flare, or an EMP attack, and poof, no more books. It would take a couple of generations, but all of that knowledge would be lost completely. We all know TBTB are a patient bunch of jerks. Of course, they'd make some books available - the ones that suit their purposes.

Hey, what if something similar to this has happened already in history? Maybe in Alexandria?

It already happened in Communist China. They killed anyone wearing glasses ("they must be intellectuals") and destroyed thousands of books... some of them, all copies were destroyed.

There was a story I read a while ago, can't find a link to it, but it involved a certain kind of insect which destroys crops in China. Before the CR, there was a guy who spent most of his life researching and writing about this insect. All his work was destroyed during the CR and now they are starting from scratch again in the agricultural depts. as they research this insect.

This is a short list of what was destroyed, in just the 20th century... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unesco.org%2Fwebworld%2Fmdm%2 Fadminist%2Fpdf%2FLOSTMEMO.PDF&ei=6aJjUIiTMtOEqQHj3oDABw&usg=AFQjCNF1O8hllLEivH1cn_WEMdAuJN-Ysw

[vacuum]

One thing that's good about the digital revolution is things can be copied almost instantly. A large book collection can be burned and can't be duplicated easily. A 64 GB micro sd card however can be easily copied, concealed anywhere, and store a massive amount of printed material. Maybe dead drops could be used to spread knowledge.

Anyway, there are ways to get a hold of massive amounts of books right now. While the music industry and movie industry are tracking people who download the newest material, you can literally download hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of books and no one even notices.

Libraries you can buy:
Rex research
RAMS digital library

Books on websites
superkuh.com/library/
futuretg.com/FTHumanEvolutionCourse/FTFreeLearningKits/

Regular trackers you can search for books on:
torrentz.eu
isohunt.com

Private trackers:
bitme
bitspyder

Flash-based viewable pdfs
scribd.com
books.google.com
mediafire

Search file hosts for books
filestube.com
rapid-search-engine.com

Search for books by using "filetype: pdf" (no space) on google or bing

Get out there and start downloading people! There is a lot more than what I posted.

[Ponce]

You should have both!

The books on your kindle and the books that you bought that amazon stores for you. They do not store any books that you got somewhere else.

Have you hooked your kindle to your computer yet? If you do go to the document folder, that holds all of the books on your kindle.

A good practice is to copy all of that folder to a directory on your computer.

Amazon keeps copy's of your books because if you delete or something happens to them, You can always download what you bought back into your kindle.

Thanks Pluto, I always read only physical book so that this Kindle thingy, and all about it, and comp connections is new to me, I only hook it up to my lap top to charge the battery.........LOL

[singular_me]

Quote Originally Posted by k-os View Post
Imagine how easy it would be to control the entire population if there were no more books (no internet either). No history, no range of philosophical ideas.

Let's say everyone decides to get Kindle's (over time, of course, maybe a decade or even two). Since everyone has this new gadget, they toss out all of their dusty old fashioned books. Then, something crazy happens like a giant solar flare, or an EMP attack, and poof, no more books. It would take a couple of generations, but all of that knowledge would be lost completely. We all know TBTB are a patient bunch of jerks. Of course, they'd make some books available - the ones that suit their purposes.

Hey, what if something similar to this has happened already in history? Maybe in Alexandria?

K-os nothing is eternal. When I came to america I was hoping to sell hollywood a screenplay (I came quite close to succeed though) and used to dream that Id be able to eventually 'immortalize" my creativity. So Id die in peace but then I imagined that my immortality, in the best case scenario, would end with the sun becoming a super nova or a red dwarf... But I digress, 9-11 happened and I made a U-turn.

yes we have an remarkable e-library and we have begun to print out the best books but what if Deluge 2.0 ever occurred??? :)

the PTB are not eternal either... either they will take down the whole planet with them or we will get rid of them.

[zap]

Jez , where the hell do you people find the time to read? I am lucky to read this site.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I order books monthly from amazon, every book recommended here gets put in my shopping cart

You better believe they have me profiled, lol, based on what I read


For the price of 30 minutes of my time at work, I can buy 2 or 3 books that teach me more than my first year at college.

It's both pathetic and awesome at the same time.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Thank you Dogman for informing me about DRM and Caliber and ApprenticeAlf. I have been reading epub and mobi books using a Firefox plug in that decodes them. This is what I love about this forum. I learn something new really frequently, and I hope I am contributing as much as I am getting here.

Up to about 5 years ago I had so many books in my house there wasn't enough room for other things. I started culling out books that I enjoyed but weren't worth keeping. I sold them to a local used bookstore for next to nothing, but the added space in my house was the real compensation.

I was for many years like Sirgonzo420--buying up used books for virtually nothing and reading them and that created a space shortage problem for me. In the last 5 years or so, I rarely go into used book stores, but instead browse through what is available on the internet in digital form. When I collect enough of these ebooks, I write them to DVDs. I suppose eventually all the space I saved by getting rid of my paper books will be taken up by disks--but I'll have a hell of a lot more books to read in that collection. I hope to have a bigger house to store that collection in. I only keep books as a backup to what I have stored in my head. The digital books are easy to catalog. I use a cataloging software called SuperCat, and I can find any book in a stash of more than 50 dvds at a moment's notice.

Hatha

[singular_me]

One thing that's good about the digital revolution is things can be copied almost instantly. A large book collection can be burned and can't be duplicated easily. A 64 GB micro sd card however can be easily copied, concealed anywhere, and store a massive amount of printed material. Maybe dead drops could be used to spread knowledge.

I am glad to read that your take is more positive than the OP. However, knowledge wise, the most interesting has already been, most likely, said and discovered.



Anyway, there are ways to get a hold of massive amounts of books right now. While the music industry and movie industry are tracking people who download the newest material, you can literally download hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of books and no one even notices.

thanks for the links...


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Libraries you can buy:
Rex research
RAMS digital library

Books on websites
superkuh.com/library/
futuretg.com/FTHumanEvolutionCourse/FTFreeLearningKits/

Regular trackers you can search for books on:
torrentz.eu
isohunt.com

Private trackers:
bitme
bitspyder

Flash-based viewable pdfs
scribd.com
books.google.com
mediafire

Search file hosts for books
filestube.com
rapid-search-engine.com

Search for books by using "filetype: pdf" (no space) on google or bing

Get out there and start downloading people! There is a lot more than what I posted.[/QUOTE]

[k-os]

yes we have an remarkable e-library and we have begun to print out the best books but what if Deluge 2.0 ever occurred??? :)

the PTB are not eternal either... either they will take down the whole planet with them or we will get rid of them.

I know that we all have a version in our own heads of what "TEOTWAWKI" looks like. In my version, there's no power. Because of this, I do not spend any money on electronics. If the world continues to remain the same without anything drastic happening, I don't feel like I'm missing all that much by not buying an iPhone or a Kindle. There's only so much I can read at one time anyway.

[singular_me]

dont worry k-os, I know where you are coning from, and TEOTWAWKI is a serious concern of mine too.

No power? How about getting solar panels and batteries? Along with several 1 terabyte hard drives? Look up on Amazon.com: High Capacity Solar Charger Battery for Pc Laptop

we do live challenging times but we have to wrap our heads around the fact that beyond every obstacle, there is a solution... lying in the future and ever increasing self reliance . :)

[singular_me]

books that Id particularly recommend is "Escape From Freedom' and "Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" both by Erich Fromm.

The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness - Google Books ... http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Anatomy_of_Human_Destructiveness.html?id=YjR5V e-zTcYC

Escape from Freedom - Google Books
http://books.google.com/books/about/Escape_from_Freedom.html?id=d2g8L1sLykwC

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

To make myself appear smarter, I have removed the comics and graphic novels from this list. This is only from THIS YEAR.






Great Private Collections of Imperial Russia

The Long Walk: The True Story of a Trek to Freedom

The Road to Serfdom: Fiftieth Anniversary Edition

The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

Comrade Valentine: The True Story of Azef the Spy-The Most Dangerous Man in Russia at the Time of the Last Czars

Light on Life: The Yoga Journey to Wholeness, Inner Peace, and Ultimate Freedom

The Mask of Command

Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World

Dirty Electricity: Electrification and the Diseases of Civilization

The Best of Wodehouse: An Anthology

Harpo Speaks! (Autobiography of the Marx Brothers)

Between Heaven and Earth: A Guide to Chinese Medicine

Anatomy of Movement

Meditations by Marcus Aurellius

Bitters: A Spirited History of a Classic Cure-All, with Cocktails, Recipes, and Formulas

The Wealth of Nations

The Case Against the Fed

The Theory of Money and Credit

The Law by frederic bastiat

A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II

Under the Amoral Bridge: A Cyberpunk Novel

Three Adventure Novels: She, King Solomon's Mines, Allan Quatermain

The Picture of Dorian Gray

The Importance of Being Earnest

The Gods of Eden

Cows, Pigs, Wars, and Witches: The Riddles of Culture

Cannibals and Kings: Origins of Cultures

The Life-Giving Sword: The Secret Teachings From the House of the Shogun

Daoist Nei Gong: The Philosophical Art of Change

The Anatomy of Martial Arts: An Illustrated Guide to the Muscles Used for Each Strike, Kick, and Throw

The I Ching or Book of Changes: A Guide to Life's Turning Points

Starting Strength - What's up Solid, how's the deadlift going?

The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali: Commentary on the Raja Yoga Sutras by Sri Swami Satchidananda



It's not a problem, it's the solution

[sirgonzo420]

To make myself appear smarter, I have removed the comics and graphic novels from this list. This is only from THIS YEAR.

If you read The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, then you would do well to read Albert Pike's (much-maligned) Morals & Dogma.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Secret Teachings by Manly P. Hall.

Ordering Morals & Dogma by Pike - I've always avoided it since I figured it would be riddled with propaganda.

Both authors have other books (other titles) available. Do you recommend any of those as well, or are the two mentioned here pretty much the flagship material?

[Gaillo]

To make myself appear smarter, I have removed the comics and graphic novels from this list. This is only from THIS YEAR.

Denise and the locker room
Hot mom gets a new "friend"
Teton tent threesome
Sisters sizzling date
Lady cindy and the whip
After school with teacher


It's not a problem, it's the solution


Wow! You really ARE smart! ;D

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Wow! You really ARE smart! ;D

LoL, the comics I'm reading are more like graphic novels.

The Sandman collection by Neil Gaiman

The Gargoyles series - made by the original creator of the show and picks up where the show left off


I tend to like series where "Every Myth is True" i.e. from Bast to Thor, from Loki to Titania, from Ishtar to Arthur Pendragon, they all exist in one grand world

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllMythsAreTrue - TV TROPES WARNING - You will lose hours to this site

I also read a lot of cyberpunk.


I'd recommend this book to anybody



http://www.amazon.com/Altered-Carbon-Takeshi-Kovacs-Novels/dp/0345457692/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348774581&sr=8-1&keywords=altered+carbon


In a world where humans can transplant souls into new bodies and the rich can effectively live forever, one man specializes in assassinating those who are supposed to be impossible to kill.

Now that's my type of popcorn reading =P

[Gaillo]

Nocturnal,
Altered Carbon and its 2 sequels are awesome. Also, along the same lines, anything by William Gibson completely rocks.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Yeah. I loved the Altered Carbon Series and I've only read Gibson's main novel

I'm also constantly impressed by Phillip K. Dick's ability to "predict" the future.

I was really hoping cyberpunk would continue to expand as a genre but it's recent offerings have left me disappointed. Anything new to recommend?

[Gaillo]

Yeah. I was really hoping cyberpunk would continue to expand as a genre but it's recent offerings have left me disappointed. Anything new to recommend?

Nancy Kress. Frederik Pohl. Linda Nagata. Greg Bear. John Varley. Bruce Sterling. Roger Zelazny.

Pretty much anything and everything by the above authors... not all of it is cyberpunk, but all of it is pretty damned good!

[Dogman]

If you read The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, then you would do well to read Albert Pike's (much-maligned) Morals & Dogma. Thanks for the heads up, both downloaded and on my very soon to read list.

[Dogman]

To make myself appear smarter, I have removed the comics and graphic novels from this list. This is only from THIS YEAR.







It's not a problem, it's the solution Thanks,


I am hunting down the PDF's/Epub's and Mobi versions of most of your list.

Looks like some good reading, some I have heard of but never have gotten around to getting them.

Until now! ;D

[sirgonzo420]

Secret Teachings by Manly P. Hall.

Ordering Morals & Dogma by Pike - I've always avoided it since I figured it would be riddled with propaganda.

Both authors have other books (other titles) available. Do you recommend any of those as well, or are the two mentioned here pretty much the flagship material?

I am pretty limited as to first-hand knowledge of their other work, but those two pieces are generally known as their "masterpieces", and reasonably so.

Morals & Dogma basically illustrates to me how far Masonry has fallen... For example, I see lots of masonic regalia on cars and such, and I tend to cringe (at least internally) when I see them. At the same time, the material found in Morals & Dogma is not wholly objectionable to me, as it deals primarily with the nature of Man and God and their relationship and things that go along with it... basically a sort of mystical philosophy book, or a long essay on the ancient mystery school teachings. I cannot imagine that the people that I see with masonic stickers on their cars actually toss around ideas that are discussed at length in Morals & Dogma. There's no way. They used to give out copies to new Masons in the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA, but they stopped in the 1970's; deeming the material too advanced for the average Mason.

[MAGNES]

I am pretty limited as to first-hand knowledge of their other work, but those two pieces are generally known as their "masterpieces", and reasonably so.

Morals & Dogma basically illustrates to me how far Masonry has fallen... For example, I see lots of masonic regalia on cars and such, and I tend to cringe (at least internally) when I see them. At the same time, the material found in Morals & Dogma is not wholly objectionable to me, as it deals primarily with the nature of Man and God and their relationship and things that go along with it... basically a sort of mystical philosophy book, or a long essay on the ancient mystery school teachings. I cannot imagine that the people that I see with masonic stickers on their cars actually toss around ideas that are discussed at length in Morals & Dogma. There's no way. They used to give out copies to new Masons in the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA, but they stopped in the 1970's; deeming the material too advanced for the average Mason.

I had your number on here a long time ago old friend, so did Awoke, you deny you promote this stuff but you do. Your comments are bogus too, you had your ass handed to you on a silver platter by me in your thread, where I first started to pay closer attention to what you were doing, you openly do other things too like post Occult Theosophist symbols and claim it is truth, the basis for modern Occult and Masonry, from the Blat witch, you were busted, and here you are again, I take you on in a big way, Pike is a deceiver and has great contempt for man and for his own " brothers ", and totally destroys anything he has to say. Like saying Karl Marx is misunderstood and is a great work too advanced for the average person, they are the same shit backed by the same people and it is all a put on.

READ THIS THREAD PEOPLE
So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma.... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44682-So-I-bought-a-copy-of-Pike-s-Morals-amp-Dogma)

I have posted a lot on here about Pike in posts hard to find, including his statue.

And Dogman is KKK self admitted, the KKK is a Masonic Organization. We have outed this.

Pike is their poster boy for both, leader.

Dogman is in with skyvike from day one of gim , like Curtman and Gold Pom Pom,
the whole site is Masons following skyvike or the Scientologists he lists by initials
on GIM, why would he do that if they were not members of GIM, he apologized to them.

We were studying this and posting this on gim and getting banned and Dogman
was a cheerleader for our bans, years later he pretends to be introduced to all this.

I went back to the Classics, Western History and Philosophy, because that is
what they target and corrupt, destroyers. And posted related here, books too.
Start here for one, they troll and corrupt this history, why ?
Eustace Mullins: NEW HISTORY OF THE JEWS (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40651-Eustace-Mullins-NEW-HISTORY-OF-THE-JEWS)

Goldie the Occult Queen from GIM got outed trolling Key Western History.

That is what you should be reading, on top of studying Occult methods.
Quite a few threads here and posts with links and references from me.
Especially the Blat witch.

Gonzo also has Masonic names in past and jumped high when I pointed them out
and he changed them. He's just joking as he posts much related.

Quotes Hebrew here, posts Kaballah related bullshit on here I believe, refuses to give sources, to me, to Ximmy when asked. Trolls the Christians. Supports trolls, some are misunderstood, lol, etc

Gonzo is an old friend, he got no free pass, funny thing is trolls and their supporters want one, ROFL !

You will never see Gonzo post anything Pro Western, ever, and Dogman,
with all his books and background here does same, Pro Muslim Mason.

Carry On !

JAH BAAL ON AND LUCIFER TROLLS WORSHIP

http://i43.tinypic.com/21kz3on.jpg

[sirgonzo420]

I had your number on here a long time ago old friend, so did Awoke, you deny you promote this stuff but you do. Your comments are bogus too, you had your ass handed to you on a silver platter by me in your thread, where I first started to pay closer attention to what you were doing, you openly do other things too like post Occult Theosophist symbols and claim it is truth, the basis for modern Occult and Masonry, from the Blat witch, you were busted, and here you are again, I take you on in a big way, Pike is a deceiver and has great contempt for man and for his own " brothers ", and totally destroys anything he has to say. Like saying Karl Marx is misunderstood and is a great work too advanced for the average person, they are the same shit backed by the same people and it is all a put on.

READ THIS THREAD PEOPLE
So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma.... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44682-So-I-bought-a-copy-of-Pike-s-Morals-amp-Dogma)

I have posted a lot on here about Pike in posts hard to find, including his statue.

And Dogman is KKK self admitted, the KKK is a Masonic Organization. We have outed this.

Pike is their poster boy for both, leader.

Dogman is in with skyvike from day one of gim , like Curtman and Gold Pom Pom,
the whole site is Masons following skyvike or the Scientologists he lists by initials
on GIM, why would he do that if they were not members of GIM, he apologized to them.

Gonzo also has Masonic names in past and jumped high when I pointed them out
and he changed them. He's just joking as he posts much related.

Quotes Hebrew here, posts Kaballah related bullshit on here I believe, refuses to give sources, to me, to Ximmy when asked. Trolls the Christians. Supports trolls, some are misunderstood, lol, etc

Gonzo is an old friend, he got no free pass, funny thing is trolls and their supporters want one, ROFL !

Carry On !

You wanna talk about the Mystery Schools, I'm down. Usually you run off when I mention the Ἐλευσίνια Μυστήρια... which is funny, because the Great Greek Thinkers that you so ardently admire were Initiates into the Mystery Schools, and had only glowing reviews of such.

As for "Sources", there is only one Source. If you can't understand that then I can't solve it for you.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Dude, I read about the occult and the mystery schools to learn about them, not because I'm a part of them or to promote them.


Are you the only one here with a "license to learn" Mag? Are you allowed to handle the "forbidden materials" that the rest of us are not allowed to read about?!


Like you, my first exposure to the mystery schools were....THE ELEUSINIAN MYSTERY SCHOOLS OF GREECE

They taught me about it in college and I learned on my own from there. I knew a lot about the history of the occult prior to finding GiM...but what GiM showed me is that the occult is alive today, I hadn't figured that part out yet.















































It's nice to have an egyptian who doesn't worship the sun on your side, isn't it? NOCTURNAL.

[MAGNES]

Dude, I read about the occult and the mystery schools to learn about them, not because I'm a part of them or to promote them.


Are you the only one here with a "license to learn" Mag? Are you allowed to handle the "forbidden materials" that the rest of us are not allowed to read about?!


That is not what Gonzo is doing, first he never outs them, I do, I highly doubt you have
read what I have, you have never outed them and never posted about them the way I have
going back on here. Gonzo does a lot of other related stuff on here. He ignores old arguments
and debates, reads like a promoter of this, even posting " theosophist " symbols and he says
he likes it and it is truth. Whatever ! This goes way back to GIM, we took people apart
and they outed themselves with being far less blatant, like skyvike and goldie, and Gonzo
knows this and Gonzo knows he is going to get a reaction, being more blatant, no way he does not, he has been around longer than you and seen more from what I understand you to be from
your posting history. I've known Gonzo way longer than you. And we were are friends.
He ain't getting a free pass.

Notice the deflection on Gonzo's part. LOL !

Dogman is your buddy too, let's see you get mad !

Dogman is skyvike on here, a cheerleader for our bans outing truth, always.

He has seen it all too, he is a monitor on here. Now he is playing "student",
lol, only thing he did was highlight what Gonzo is promoting, non of this is
new to Dogman, non, he is a Mason himself, that is how I read him.
He learned the Masonic version of history of Muslims and dares promote
it here, Mass Murderers and destroyers of civilization, including YOUR PEOPLE.

[sirgonzo420]

Dude, I read about the occult and the mystery schools to learn about them, not because I'm a part of them or to promote them.


Are you the only one here with a "license to learn" Mag? Are you allowed to handle the "forbidden materials" that the rest of us are not allowed to read about?!


Like you, my first exposure to the mystery schools were....THE ELEUSINIAN MYSTERY SCHOOLS OF GREECE

They taught me about it in college and I learned from there.

It's nice to have an egyptian who doesn't worship the sun on your side, isn't it? NOCTURNAL.



Magnes is a de facto occultist on account of the fact that he actively discourages the free exchange of ideas, especially when they pertain to certain topics.

That is what occultism is. To *hide* and *conceal*. [are you listening, Mag?]

"lies have to be covered up; Truth can run around naked!"


(and I still love you, Brother Magnes, I love all you guys... don't make me start another "I love all you guys" threads!)

[sirgonzo420]

That is not what Gonzo is doing, first he never outs them, I do, I highly doubt you have
read what I have, you have never outed them and never posted about them the way I have
going back on here. Gonzo does a lot of other related stuff on here. He ignores old arguments
and debates, he is a promoter of this, even posting " theosophist " symbols and he says
he likes it and it is truth. Whatever ! This goes way back to GIM, we took people apart
and they outed themselves with being far less blatant, like skyvike and goldie, and Gonzo
knows this and Gonzo knows he is going to get a reaction, no way he does not, he has
been around longer than you and seen more from what I understand you to be from
your posting history. I've known Gonzo way longer than you. And we were friends.
He ain't getting a free pass.

Notice the deflection on Gonzo's part. LOL !

I appreciate your compliments. You make me out to be a sage.

I like their motto. 'There is no religion higher than Truth'. <---- I agree with that, assuming that "Truth" is meaning "Absolute Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth, so help me God", which is how I mean it.


Magnes, if you ever were to have a mystical experience, or even a psychedelic experience, methinks you might view me with different eyes. Just please don't get all worked up over me. Really don't. I'm not the boogeyman, and unless you break into my house, I'll never hurt you. I really do like you, and I hope that you realize that I'm not *really* the demon that you sometimes make me out to be.


One of these days I will fully learn the futility of trying to discuss the ineffable in the English tongue.

[Dogman]

That is not what Gonzo is doing, first he never outs them, I do, I highly doubt you have
read what I have, you have never outed them and never posted about them the way I have
going back on here. Gonzo does a lot of other related stuff on here. He ignores old arguments
and debates, reads like a promoter of this, even posting " theosophist " symbols and he says
he likes it and it is truth. Whatever ! This goes way back to GIM, we took people apart
and they outed themselves with being far less blatant, like skyvike and goldie, and Gonzo
knows this and Gonzo knows he is going to get a reaction, being more blatant, no way he does not, he has been around longer than you and seen more from what I understand you to be from
your posting history. I've known Gonzo way longer than you. And we were are friends.
He ain't getting a free pass.

Notice the deflection on Gonzo's part. LOL !

Dogman is your buddy too, let's see you get mad !

Dogman is skyvike on here, a cheerleader for our bans outing truth, always.

He has seen it all too, he is a monitor on here. Now he is playing "student",
lol, only thing he did was highlight what Gonzo is promoting, non of this is
new to Dogman, non, he is a Mason himself, that is how I read him.

Hi manges

I see you are as deluded as always, and can not resist taking a big DUMP on what was
a good thread.

Keep up the good work!

You can not realize that people are interested in learning for them self's
and not being told what or what not they should read or study.

And being interested and studying something does not mean they believe in it.

Love your shitting on good healthy threads that you do not agree with!

Carry on!

And again thank you for being yourself!

[MAGNES]

Magnes is a de facto occultist on account of the fact that he actively discourages the free exchange of ideas, especially when they pertain to certain topics.

I have way more links and references to outing them than you will ever have on here.

You have ZERO !

Including pulling pages off from their own books and posting them.

Many references. Links. Sources.

Including giving a history of how we got into all this, it starts with GIM and skyvike,
Masonic Plot, and this is where my renewed interest in studies I have posted on here
for all came from.

You deny and ignore all of this with your posts, as I try to actively encourage people
to study both sides of this. People can go to the thread I linked to above and read it.
So I bought a copy of Pike's Morals & Dogma.... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44682-So-I-bought-a-copy-of-Pike-s-Morals-amp-Dogma)
Just one of a few. The other main one is Goldie getting outed on here in a big way.

You promote Theosophist dribble again in this post, where I have encouraged
people to study this for themselves and given links and references going back
to the very beginning of these forums and explained quite a few basic and
very pertinent things to out them.

It is you that actively deflects attention away from what I have highlighted.

" 14 words " my ass, if you know who the " theosophists " are they are the engineers
of our destruction , Mr Expert , this is open, this is your truth. Promoting their garbage
does not make you a Western Man.

Go post some more Kaballah and Hebrew, call book a Jew, as you yourself refuse to provide sources when asked.

Then attack the most prolific poster on here on all this related material.

Ignore all my posts. Like a troll.

The Occult are the greatest corruptors ever, and they do target certain key history for a reason,
among other things, they want your mind, they want to create Hedonists, Nihilists, break down
your belief systems that held society together, they want individuals to pick off, with no connection to their past, and they lie about everything and corrupt everything, they truly
are the demon seed, and this goes back to the " gnostics " of ancient times , and they have
their useful stooges everywhere, dummies, read Pike himself.

Non of this is theory, we see it every day, the Masons are a tool of the Jews.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

you have never outed them and never posted about them the way I have

Now I know you don't read my posts

I expose them in my own way and without hyperbole

Half the board ignores you because you slander members constantly

Just post the damn information, like I do, and let others decide

I love discussing history, I love it so much that I seek out people I disagree with just so I can have someone to take the opposing side, but I don't like being spoken down to like I am some agent. Just because we focus on different areas of history doesn't make me BAD. Stop trying to make this all about you, this is a team effort.

My threads, I only had to go back a few pages

I refuse to be baited. I'm not going to cuss you out.


These links were made for clicking, and that's just what you'll do. one of these days these links will spread some light to you



http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54809-The-Money-Masters-and-other-flagship-videos-explaining-the-conspiracy - Flagship videos of the conspiracy

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?49453-The-Last-Will-and-Testament-of-Cecil-Rhodes-THE-SILVER-STEALERS - I have 40 posts in this thread alone, supplying hundreds of names of TPTB

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55975-Post-a-Song-or-Photo-that-exposes-the-NWO - Here I encourage you to expose the NWO and do so myself

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?48432-Running-log-of-ILLUMINAUGHTY-media - Same concept as above, different material

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57396-Govt-memorandum-on-extraterrestials-compiled-in-one-thread - government admission of extraterrestials, is occult

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57799-Whatever-else-call-him-quot-correct-quot-1958-speech-outlining-plan-to-destory-America - 1958 speech outlining destruction of america

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59141-15-OOO-OOO-OOO-OOO-FRAUD-EXPOSED-in-UK-House-of-Lords - 15 trillion dollar fraud exposed

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61550-Where-has-all-the-money-in-the-world-gone - where has all the money of the world gone?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44074-Aluminum-Resistant-Gene-patent-7582809 - aluminum resistant gene patent

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61642-Dr-Norman-Finkelstein-Suppression-Attempts - suppression attempts

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?60060-The-Pirate-Code-Letters-of-Marue-amp-Reprisal-and-the-Privateers-at-Sea marque and reprisal, private law

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59544-The-Ohio-Department-of-Natural-Resources-(ODNR)-confirms-manmade-siesmic-activity manmade siesmic activity confirmed by government

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59213-So-what-s-a-tobin-Tax-It-replaced-the-Bretton-Woods-system The Tobin Tax

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57612-John-McCain-calls-JFK-assassination-quot-An-Intervention-quot McCain admits to JFK "intervention"

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52875-Jewish-Internet-Defence-Force-brags-about-forcing-Reddit-to-remove-the-top-post Jewish internet defense league brags about forcing reddit.com to remove top post

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55412-The-Spartan-Laws-of-Currency-and-why-they-were-designed-that-way The spartan laws of currency and why they were designed that way

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?48586-Disect-the-Matrix-Neo-was-an-agent-working-for-TPTB - The matrix and the mark of TPTB

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?48986-Giant-list-of-documentaries-Many-topics-by-different-authors - 100 documentaries, although I admit many links are now broken, it happens on this web of ours


















to be honest brother magnes, most of your threads just devolve into you bitching about dogman and goldie. at least try to stay on topic. less chatter more splatter.

[sirgonzo420]

I have way more links and references to outing them than you will ever have on here.

You have ZERO !

Including pulling pages off from their own books and posting them.

Many references. Links. Sources.

Including giving a history of how we got into all this, it starts with GIM and skyvike,
Masonic Plot, and this is where my renewed interest in studies I have posted on here
for all came from.

You deny and ignore all of this with your posts, as I try to actively encourage people
to study both sides of this. People can go to the thread I linked to above and read it.
Just one of a few. The other main one is Goldie getting outed on here in a big way.

You promote Theosophist dribble again in this post, where I have encouraged
people to study this for themselves and given links and references going back
to the very beginning of these forums and explained quite a few basic and
very pertinent things to out them.

It is you that actively deflects attention away from what I have highlighted.

" 14 words " my ass, if you know who the " theosophists " are they are the engineers
of our destruction , Mr Expert.

Go post some more Kaballah and Hebrew, call book a Jew, as you yourself refuse to provide sources when asked.

::sighs::

When I talk about the Source, I'm not talking about books and links, I'm talking about that which men have called God.

I agree with David Lane's 14 Words, but I was never a member of his "Order", and I don't agree with him on everything.

I agree with "there is no Religion higher than Truth", but I'm not a member of any theosophical order, and I certainly don't agree with them on everything.


How about this: γνῶθι σεαυτόν

Is that better than the scary hebrew? Do you have a problem with gnōthi seauton?

That's the Mystery School teaching in a nutshell.

[sirgonzo420]

I have way more links and references to outing them than you will ever have on here.

You have ZERO !

Including pulling pages off from their own books and posting them.

Many references. Links. Sources.

Including giving a history of how we got into all this, it starts with GIM and skyvike,
Masonic Plot, and this is where my renewed interest in studies I have posted on here
for all came from.

You deny and ignore all of this with your posts, as I try to actively encourage people
to study both sides of this. People can go to the thread I linked to above and read it.
Just one of a few. The other main one is Goldie getting outed on here in a big way.

You promote Theosophist dribble again in this post, where I have encouraged
people to study this for themselves and given links and references going back
to the very beginning of these forums and explained quite a few basic and
very pertinent things to out them.

It is you that actively deflects attention away from what I have highlighted.

" 14 words " my ass, if you know who the " theosophists " are they are the engineers
of our destruction , Mr Expert , this is open, this is your truth. Promoting their garbage
does not make you a Western Man.

Go post some more Kaballah and Hebrew, call book a Jew, as you yourself refuse to provide sources when asked.

Then attack the most prolific poster on here on all this related material.

Ignore all my posts. Like a troll.

The Occult are the greatest corruptors ever, and they do target certain key history for a reason,
among other things, they want your mind, they want to create Hedonists, Nihilists, break down
your belief systems that held society together, they want individuals to pick off, with no connection to their past, and they lie about everything and corrupt everything, they truly
are the demon seed, and this goes back to the " gnostics " of ancient times , and they have
their useful stooges everywhere, dummies, read Pike himself.

Non of this is theory, we see it every day, the Masons are a tool of the Jews.

rofl

sirgonzo420 suggests that members read Pike = sirgonzo420 is a Masonic jew agent

magnes suggests that members read Pike = magnes is a hero, the (non-christian) protector of Western Christian man



for everything else, there's Mastercard.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Great, 20 paragraphs and I got ONE book recommendation out of Magnes. I fucking ordered it, brother. Mullin's books are quite expensive on the web.

[MAGNES]

Now I know you don't read my posts

I do read your posts, I clicked almost all of those real fast.

Not one of your links is what I am talking about, NOT ONE, like mine.

That is not what I am talking about, you got to go deeper, way deeper.

It seems you don't read my posts on this, even the thread I linked to above.

Why don't you go read what I posted.

And my GIM Masonic Rounds thread, and a thread by goldie in religion section.

You can find many books online in PDF form, especially old Occult books,
you can't buy many of them, Blat witch, Pike, Levy, Hall, Mason books.
I must of skimmed hundreds of these way back, 2007,2008,2009, I stopped
reading it made me sick.

You are never involved, like I said, in material like that.

You don't post on Masons, Occult, nor are involved, nor care to out them.

People in general don't read this stuff, going deeper into their minds,
what drives them, where do these movements come from, what do they believe, etc,
the last thing I am going to do is dissect their bullshit books and works line by line,
what I do have an interest in is cherry picking and outing them for what they are.
And I do have posts on here on TheoSophists, links, even pulling JPGs off their books,
posted on Agora too, on this. They mock and attack Christians, Roman Church, as they
are the biggest freaks out there. Even my analysis of the Pike Statue is bang on but
I don't expect everyone here to get it, because they don't have the background,
Pike positions himself as God, above Freedom, it is not accident. Out in the open.
They play these games a lot, as Pike himself explains, different meanings and
hidden meanings for different levels of fools.

READ THE THREAD


All of Masonry is anti Christian, ritual , manipulation, deceit and demon worship.

Some have described Pike as a brilliant writer and poet, may be true, but that is not a
proof of how good of a guy he is. They don't come out and tell you outright what you
are joining, nor do most know even after they join, Pike himself is part of that deceit,
and has contempt for his fellow masons. Like Lenin, " useful idiots " .

Even MP on gim refused to defend Pike, " he was out there " . [ ROFL ! ]

Masonic oaths automatically disqualify you from public office of trust.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2hi6umx.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/33cvkw7.jpg

[MAGNES]

Hi manges

HI SKYVIKE !


rofl

sirgonzo420 suggests that members read Pike = sirgonzo420 is a Masonic jew agent

magnes suggests that members read Pike = magnes is a hero, the (non-christian) protector of Western Christian man

for everything else, there's Mastercard.

You seem to be proving me right. You are the promoter, I out them. Big difference.
Nobody said not to read them. I read the Blat witch a long time ago, she seems to be
your mama you defend.

READ THE THREAD


Albert Pike

QUOTES BY ALBERT PIKE, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33rd Degree, Ku Klux Klan ritual designer, Ku Klux Klan Chief Judicial Officer and Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of darkness! Lucifer, The Son of The Morning! [Here Pike is denying Christ as the Light of the world and giving that designation to Lucifer, the Devil] Is it he who bears the light . .? Doubt it Not!" (Pike, op. cit., p. 321. See also A Ralph Epperson, The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, Tucson, Arizona, Publius Press, 1985, p. 224).

On July 14, 1889, Pike gave instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World: "That which we must say to the crowd is, We worship a God, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine . . . Yes, Lucifer is God . . . the pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer . . . Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good . . ." (Decker, op. cit., p. 6). With this admission, is it any wonder that Pike is called the "Pontiff of Luciferian Freemasonry" (Waite, op. cit., Vol. II, p. 253)?

"Nothing excites men's curiosity so much as Mystery, concealing things which they desire to know; and nothing so much increases curiosity as obstacles that interpose to prevent them from indulging in the gratification of their desires. Of this the Legislators and Hierophants took advantage, to attract the people to their sanctuaries, and to induce them to seek to obtain lessons from which they would perhaps have turned away with indifference if they had been pressed upon them." (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 384).

"So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray . . . If you have been disappointed in the first three degrees, as you have received them . . . remember that . . . symbols were used, not to reveal but to conceal . . . The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have more than one meaning. They rather conceal than disclose the Truth" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma,pp. 105-106; 148).

"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819).

"Masonry, like all the [man-made organised] Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. . . . So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, pp. 104-105).

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is NOT a black God..... but the negation of God.... the Devil is the personification of Atheism ....or Idolatry. For the 'Initiates', this is not a person, but a Force, created for GOOD, but which may serve for evil. IT..is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the He-Goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend. (Albert Pike: Morals and Dogma, p. 172).

[sirgonzo420]

Magnes; the OCCULT is BAD because it HIDES things which gives the occultists advantage. To occult is to hide.

Think about eclipses....

The priests of yore knew the cycles of the cosmos, and so could "predict" eclipses.

Without the knowledge that the priests held, the laypeople were terrified at the perceived death of the Sun.

The priests used that to their advantage to maintain power and a place at the top of the hierarchy.

I'm like the guy who found out what the priest knew and goes running around trying to explain to the people that it's just an eclipse, and that the priests are defrauding them for power and money.


I'm trying to help people think for themselves, that's all.

γνῶθι σεαυτόν

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

You're right, I'm not involved in shit-talking board members. The conspiracy is so much larger than some 20 year old who reads new age philosophy. To post someone like that up as the epitome of evil is pathetic.

I'll read any history you post, but I'm not going to join a dogpile on someone who is maybe confused, or just utilizing their freedom to explore different philosophies, it makes me uncomfortable when you turn around and call them the devil. I simply don't roll like that



I also own a GiM masonic round, I was shocked and appalled when I found that there were literally agents in our midst, that GiM was a counter-intelligence operation, that shocked me.


I allowed it to educate me, it didn't make me bitter, it made me aware


The pill you present (you want me to hate half the people on the board) is too bitter for me to swallow, just because I refuse to cuss people out doesn't mean I trust everybody 100%

I define my life by what I LIKE, not by what I HATE


Just post source material and wash your hands of it dude, stop breathing down everyone's neck at every turn


My message to you

POST MORE HISTORY

Post as much as you possibly can

And don't just leave us to "figure the rest out", post conclusions


Don't waste your valuable time typing about dogman, or goldissima, or k-os, or me


Posting TRUE history erases anything anyone else could possibly post - the truth defends itself!!!

Don't get so worked up, don't let every shadow on the wall spook you, don't get DISTRACTED from your life's work!

Don't let petty arguments destroy a MAGNUM OPUS

Look inward, TPTB want you to shit talk and be negative, they want you to spend hours everyday arguing about dogman instead of READING NEW BOOKS!



That's my opinion

Breaking it down like this is not something I normally do

[Ponce]

I can see that "those" people got you fighting the way that they want you to fight.....hahahaahaahaaha, you guys use a lot of words just to call each other an asshole.........simplier to say "Hey Ponce, you are an asshole" and let it go at that.

Only thing is, call me an asshole and I'll drop the island of Cuba on your head hahahaahhaahahahaha.

[MAGNES]

You're right, I'm not involved in shit-talking board members.

[ the shit talkers are your friends from chat and I have had enough of their shit talking ,
you seem to accept their bullshit on here, like dogmans, I been away all summmer but
I was their target right after the boards went down, your friends are not innocent, my posts on here are on topic, especially about Dogman, he is allied with skyvike the Mason and joined in to promote what gonzo was promoting, which I already destroyed in his thread I linked to ]

Don't waste your valuable time typing about dogman, or goldissima, or k-os, or me

[ kos has snide remarks and insults on here directed towards us and these boards from day one
and they are even more blatant than that, direct smears, she is no innocent angel, dogman has
a huge history on here, goldie got outed as skyvikes ally and in a big way here, then she became
more blatant, it is all a learning process, just like outing skyvike, we out people, people learn,
everyones posts on here are fair game ]


Posting TRUE history erases anything anyone else could possibly post

That's my opinion

[ being proactive, I already did that, especially in my studies, I chose the targets of these people]
[ and posted a lot of it here, again, just one link above I posted, but all my history threads are
related ] [podcasts, books, references] [ I posted more on this here on many issues than anyone one of you here, not one of you has more, sources, books, podcasts, references, links, on many issues, to do your own research ]

NOC is in chat with many of these people defending his friends,
Joe King is there too.

My Avatar , Egyptian Minuteman Eye ! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?43731-My-Avatar-Egyptian-Minuteman-Eye-%21)

Parallel Universes exist, time travel possible (tough one for Religions) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?24194-Parallel-Universes-exist-time-travel-possible-%28tough-one-for-Religions%29)

Lucifer is a Latin word literally meaning "light-bearer" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?26550-Lucifer-is-a-Latin-word-literally-meaning-quot-light-bearer-quot)

You are a satan worshiper if... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?29098-You-are-a-satan-worshiper-if...)

8th May 2010

I strongly encourage everyone to research this themselves.

Total corruptions and great hatred of the West and Christians
by the occult queen, goldissima and her teacher occult satanist witch
practicing voodoo talking about knowledge, ROFL, Helena Blavatsky,
the very people that inspired the Zeitgeist movie, full of lies and
inaccuracies, the solution is you go live in a pod and stfu or maybe
just be killed by the NWO satanists. Helena Blavatsky hates the Greeks
as well but she is going to interpret Greek Philosophical writers, right,
ROFL , some of which created the foundation for Christianity.

Study this witch and her works and you can feel the
satanism and her hatred of the West and Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Hpb.jpg/210px-Hpb.jpg

That is their whole purpose, corruption and destruction.

It's all Jews, and their great works perpetrated on Western Man,
this is not knowledge, this is a mockery of history and knowledge.
These people could not exist without the ancient Greek writers
that they borrow from and corrupt, mocking them, including Christians.


The three declared objects of the original Theosophical Society as established by Blavatsky, Judge and Olcott were as follows:

* First � To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste, or color.
* Second � To encourage the study of Comparative Religion, Philosophy, and Science.
* Third � To investigate the unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in man."[2]

Evolution and Race

Theosophical writings propose that human civilizations, like all other parts of the universe, develop cyclically through seven stages. Blavatsky posited that the whole humanity, and indeed every reincarnating human monad, evolves through a series of seven "Root Races".

Blavatsky suggested that most of present day humanity belongs to the fifth rootrace, the Aryans[8], which originally developed on Atlantis,.[9]

[sirgonzo420]

NOC is in chat with JOE KING and GANG !

So what?

Go join them. Or don't; I think you're the only one that gives that much of a shit.

For the record, I never go to chat, but I'm thinking about checkin' in just for shits and giggles.

I hope that if I do, that a similar announcement is made for me.

EDIT: what is the link for the chat?


Mag, we can take our derailment here: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63905-Let-s-discuss-the-Mysteries!-%28a-place-for-Magnes-and-me-to-stop-derailing-threads%29

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I joined the chat through a thread on this board, I don't think that proves very much except that you use specious reasoning

Guilty by association is a logical fallacy that the greeks themselves figured out, and you could be kicked out of a debate for utilizing it



And so what if I want to talk to imacannin about her farm? Or talk with brewtech about his job? This is your business how?


I absolutely defy you to post anything I have ever said that supports the TPTB



Get ahold of yourself bro. Chat is equal opportunity, anybody can join, it's not like you need a password. I've seen you in there before too....or someone claiming to be you.

[sirgonzo420]

HI SKYVIKE !



You seem to be proving me right. You are the promoter, I out them. Big difference.
Nobody said not to read them. I read the Blat witch a long time ago, she seems to be
your mama you defend.



LOL I just caught this.

You've read more Blavatsky than I have!

Your apparent infatuation with Blavatsky I cannot help.

As I have told you before, I have never read a single work by Blavatsky. I am only vaguely familiar with some of her ideas from other authors. I'm really not sure why you bring her up as often as you do. I can understand why you bring up Pike, because I have read Pike, but Blavatsky I have not, and I don't plan to... at least, there would be a good deal of book that I would read before I felt like I needed to read her work. I have been exposed to her ideas enough to know that I disagree with her. I think she is flat out wrong on most of the few things I've heard/read about her.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I have a degree in Russian History and Blat was not mentioned at all. I'm actually glad I got a chance to learn about it here.


Posting/Exposing Occult material = good

[Neuro]

Look Magnes, you have a lot to offer in unwinding the greater conspiracy, however I find that you spend far to much energy in dissecting a really tiny (and perceived) conspiracy at this forum of a few hundred people. This is a distraction of the greater conspiracy. Some here may be at a different level re truth seeking, may even have been misled, or in the worst case scenario wants to deceive. However we are intelligent people here, we can evaluate arguments, weigh them, the membership here is way way above the rest in terms of evaluating claims and information. Blatant shills will be driven off here, those remaining that you disagree with, why not just argue their points with them, without having to resort to illfounded personal attacks. Really man, what are you trying to achieve here? Those that you are attacking, have been here and at GIM1 for many years, they don't insult anyone, and they are anti establishment. Does everyone have to agree with you? Trust this membership to be discerning re info that is posted, and give it a rest! K?

[MAGNES]

I joined the chat through a thread on this board, I don't think that proves very much except that you use specious reasoning
Link! GEMS !
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?22772-MAGNES-REPORTING-FOR-DUTY-!&p=186810&viewfull=1#post186810 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?22772-MAGNES-REPORTING-FOR-DUTY-%21&p=186810&viewfull=1#post186810)
From attack thread, click blue arrow for thread, gang that does not exist, LOL !


Look Magnes
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?62025-Links-and-Scribbles-!

I've taken enough of their insults and attacks.
I can count these people on one hand , their MO is apparent to many.
And posted on here by many, threads, posts, links, reports.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

No further responses to this subject will be given

Thanks for ruining a thread about books

[Neuro]

Magnes, you gotta ask yourself, why only you are on to them...

[MAGNES]

No further responses to this subject will be given

Thanks for ruining a thread about books

You don't even come close to the books I have posted on here, the references, podcasts, going back. A screen I posted a long time ago with Occult books, key books. Few areas of interest. The history I have given, from forum to West, etc . Much of it is scattered, there is no doubt about that. I can't find my own posts. The place is like a microcosm of society, so laugh all you want at my comments. Non of it is a surprise to me.

You made many strawman arguments here above going after me covering for your buddy Dogman, Mr Mason Skyvike. Gonzo deflects too, strawman, circles from initial post.

Even the links you gave are nothing like mine I gave, as I refute an old friend here.

I would not even call a lot of what I posted above reading,
it is called research, and I don't enjoy doing this aspect of it,
it was not enjoyable.

You are 5 years behind so far on learning about the Occult,
Skyvike GIM Masonic Plot, motivated the few of us to do these studies,
and to out Skyvike and GIM, and it is no accident we were followed
over and trolled by people like your buddy Dogman.

I mention the Blat witch arguing with Goldie on GIM in Zeitgeist thread,
even she was smart enough to run back then. LOL GONZO !

My posts here above are far more enlightening than yours arguing with me and refuting Gonzo.

On GIM too we were leaders on posting " NWO " type books, hidden history, etc ,
I was even posting JPGs pulled from the books, even getting banned for it, LOL !
Yes. That takes a lot of effort to build threads like that. And like I stated many times
linking to pdfs is dangerous because they get taken down, trolls on gim did this too.
Search for the names and references, and you don't have to buy them all.
If you like a book buy it. Posted good used book sources too. Your loss since
you don't seem to have been reading my posts, LOL ! Someone can search
the rar's, but what I posted was mostly in GD, search Magnes, MasonicFRNS,
MasonicNation. These posts were mostly intros. I just banged this post off,
it takes work to do a thread right.

On Agora I had a thread on Classics, it set off Antonio, LOL !

I don't feel like doing it all over.

Panoptimist joins , a very good poster with information,
asks when talking to book, " who put you on to Poncins ",
he didn't know where he landed, LOL , seems many of you
still don't know or play pretend not to know.

http://i48.tinypic.com/24wrfpt.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/358ovp0.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/20uyfj8.jpg

[Neuro]

Skyvike GIM Masonic Plot, motivated the few of us to do these studies,
You mention these as doing you a lot of good, in terms of researching the conspiracy, and now you want everyone who don't agree with you wholeheartedly banned?

[MAGNES]

You mention these as doing you a lot of good, in terms of researching the conspiracy, and now you want everyone who don't agree with you wholeheartedly banned?

Neuro , maybe you were asleep or absent during all my past posts explaining this.

Including in this thread, yes they had freaky ass posts, why target certain people,
claim to be an authority and post freaky ass shit, cover for other issues and people.
Promote Occult on GIM, promote Goldie Locks, the Occult Queen of GIM, total
TheoSophist MO who when confronted became more blatant on here, it is FRED
that smells the shit before anyone, and Gonzo here knows the thread in Question,
and outs skyvike, no surprise what he was posting,
did you know MP was my twin brother on GIM, LOL , I outed him good, LOL ,
even got him Perm Banned, as he got me Perm Banned, LOL , Neuro, a year
later was totally oblivious to all this as was most of the forum, anyone that
spoke out or linked was banned, and Dogman was for all of this, and Neuro was
calling me a " Punk " in my AG threads, promoting Crimex, I let it go because
he was a noob, it wasn't his fault, GIM failed him. CRIMEX SILVER SHORTS Thread,
running at same time on Agora, " I nominate this thread the best on the forum " ,
NACCA , the hat eater had to eat his first, he was a sport about it, LOL .

Seems you don't read threads and links Neuro . Even above.

They are the ban cheerleaders not us, Neuro, even on here.

Carry On !

[Neuro]

Seems you don't read threads and links Neuro . Even above.
i have read most of your posts, and links when you have accused someone. I don't see what you see, not even when you post proof of supposedly treasonous acts. I am sick and tired of your tirades against anyone who dares to stand up against you. You post a lot of links, but very little of it evidence of anything.

[slowbell]

I really like reading paper books, it's like PM's vs fake money, anything electronic, books on a kindle, numbers in a bank...poof, it's gone. I like paper charts too. I had a GPS fail me recently, but with paper charts, I can at least triangulate my position.

My problem, is paper books are heavy, and take up space. We keep the most necessary ones, for navigation, electrical manuals, etc, good books. The books I enjoy reading I tend to trade out. Most places have a bunch of books lying around, that people take off board once read, and grab another. It's an honor system, take a book to read, leave one behind for the next fellow, imo.

Reading a real book is very relaxing. Turning the pages, reading by oil lamp. Technology can't change that.

[singular_me]

I mention the Blat witch arguing with Goldie on GIM in Zeitgeist thread,
even she was smart enough to run back then. LOL GONZO !

actually Magnes, I was wondering about when you'd mention my name... and sorry I still think that the Zeitgeist series is a great doc. The last part: Zeitgeist, Moving Forward especially and whose segments I also translated for their french subtitled version.

edit: while I dont recall this thread you mention above, you are confusing run back with remaining silent, it seems.

[Mouse]

Zeitgeist is disinfo (all releases), to show you some truth, get you somewhat aware, and then steer you into a collective Agenda 21 driven prison. Get you pissed, and viva la revolution, you go right into your assigned crate in the NWO. Very entertaining, indeed.

[singular_me]

Zeitgeist is disinfo (all releases), to show you some truth, get you somewhat aware, and then steer you into a collective Agenda 21 driven prison. Get you pissed, and viva la revolution, you go right into your assigned crate in the NWO. Very entertaining, indeed.

I dont want to derail too much this thread bUT any ramification to a possible agenda 21 no longer exist.... april 2011 : The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement split up.

It is the Venus Project that turned out being related to United Nations, Earth Charter. And Peter Joseph realized that. I talked extensively with french zeitgeisters about it BEFORE committing. However, again I would say that as long as the UN-banking cartel exists, they will try to take over/subvert any idea, concept that is successful, and I still think that a resource based economy is a model that deserves attention. IMHO, because Darwin is a total fraud that has served well TPTB so far. And this is why I say that zeitgiest is a great doc. I just look at the concepts it addresses.

the NWO works like this: you have a genius idea, money, you get infiltrated and this ruins your reputation. So the only people remaining supporting this genius idea end up being pro-NWO. The others of course will trash it for obvious reasons... divide and conquer at its finest.

ps: among other segments, I also translated the UN dinner-happening with big shot-globalists, in Den Hague, attended by Jacque Fresco and his wife (from venus project) trying to justify what they were doing there and their goals were. Peter Joseph wanted to expose their double-faces for everybody to see.