Bullies

[LuckyStrike]

I was watching a RAMZPAUL video and saw this in the suggested videos link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9pkUKstU5M4

I have some opinions on bullies and anti bullying campaigns, but wanted to hear some other opinions for GSUS'ers before I tell them.

So what do you think on the subject?

[Horn]

A bully is ousted with wit, wit takes intelligence.

Raise the level of intelligence in schools & rid yourself of bullies.

[beefsteak]

yours truly subscribes to the school of thought, there is no defense against ridicule.

Bullies employ deadly ridicule. Public/private education of bullies is no solution, horn.

And this is part and parcel of why it is so difficult to deal with bullies effectively.

My 2c

[chad]

i don't see it as bullying at all. he wrote her a letter. she read it, didn't sound like he was using profanity or doing anything nasty. she is obviously personally hurt by it (she claims she doesn't care, but then why the big fuss + rebuttal?). but, just because somebody hurt your feelings doesn't make it bullying. everyone in our society is turning in to a pussy.

all of this anti-bullying stuff that is all the rage is designed to make everyone in to some sort of metrosexual who doesn't dare raise their voice or do anything but go along with the collective. it's complete bullshit.

[slowbell]

but just because somebody hurt your feelings doesn't make it bullying. everyone in our society is turning in to a pussy.

I agree Chad, it's a good question to ask, Luckystrike.

I really have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, we all need thicker skin. On the other hand, we need to protect our children too...in regards to bullying. Ideally, we should all treat each other well, but that will never happen.

It is of my opinion, in dealing with a true 'bully', in the sense of a person who keeps pushing you, violating your space. You need to fight that person. Even if you get your ass kicked. Make it a policy that nobody pushes you around.

That being said, I agree that comment to the lady wasn't a bullying comment, in the video. It was an insult, but not true bullying. The guy that wrote that comment was an asshole, who should be easily ignored.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Sounds like a false flag / fake letter. That it happened "just in time" for National Anti-Bullying Month or whatever they are calling it, is the tip-off.

Myself, am tired of overweight women pulling this schtick. I lost a lot of weight, and you can too, chubsterette!

There is no free energy - so if the weight is not coming off it is because you are not eating right or exercising.

[Glass]

Teach a kid some martial arts and then he can sort out the bullying. There is only one way to stop a bully and that is to dominate them so they know there are "consequences" to their actions. This is the part of lifes education that they have not had the lesson for yet. It's your duty as the bullied to educate them.

It also helps if you can identify a bully quickly and put them in their place right from the get go. If you give them one victory they will be back for more very soon.

[Horn]

there is no defense against ridicule.

In my experience the ridicule is nothing that cannot be contended with verbal rebuttal, most effectively.

Sometimes even staving off the bully, most bullies mainstay is their physical attributes. These also can be dealt mostly with wit/quickness.

Its not the re-education of the bullie, but intelligence of the victims I was supposing upon.

I guess what I'm suggesting is better quality ridicule in retort.

[beefsteak]

verbal rebuttal does not deflect nor turn off ridicule. I would submit you've never experienced brutal bullying ridicule.

I suspect you are but speaking empirically, in your usual "yes/but" gamer style as put forth by Eric Berne in Games People Play

[beefsteak]

Teach a kid some martial arts and then he can sort out the bullying. There is only one way to stop a bully and that is to dominate them so they know there are "consequences" to their actions. This is the part of lifes education that they have not had the lesson for yet. It's your duty as the bullied to educate them.

It also helps if you can identify a bully quickly and put them in their place right from the get go. If you give them one victory they will be back for more very soon.

And for the female grand- and great- grandchildren, you expect us males to model pugalism? Have a link for Barbie Pink gloves perhaps?

[Horn]

verbal rebuttal does not deflect nor turn off ridicule. I would submit you've never experienced brutal bullying ridicule.

I suspect you are but speaking empirically, in your usual "yes/but" gamer style as put forth by Eric Berne in Games People Play

I was bullied, I ended up with a broken pinky.

Yes, the verbal rebuttal does extend it into the physical confrontation.

Whoever throws the first punch loses in most schools.

[Glass]

And for the female grand- and great- grandchildren, you expect us males to model pugalism? Have a link for Barbie Pink gloves perhaps?

I wondered if I should have written "he/she can sort out the bullying". Martial arts is something women can do as well. It's a modern world after all.

[slowbell]

verbal rebuttal does not deflect nor turn off ridicule. I would submit you've never experienced brutal bullying ridicule.

I suspect you are but speaking empirically, in your usual "yes/but" gamer style as put forth by Eric Berne in Games People Play

I agree.

When dealing with a true bully. Talk is cheap. Settle it outside like men. That's how you end it.

[Horn]

in your usual "yes/but" gamer style as put forth by Eric Berne in Games People Play

You sir, are a big fat bully.

[Horn]

Honestly its not that hard to ridicule the intelligence of a bully, its typically not that high.

[slowbell]

You sir, are a big fat bully.

Beefsteak is not a bully. He's a valued contributor to this forum.

I think you calling him a bully, makes you a bully Horn...you big meanie!!!

[Norweger]

The Norwegian state sponsored media (pretty much all media in Norway) Is all over this anti-bullying campaign for some reason.

Ultimately i think it is to prevent the plebeians from making correct observations about their leaders and to limit free speech.

[Horn]

Beefsteak is not a bully. He's a valued contributor to this forum.

I think you calling him a bully, makes you a bully Horn...you big meanie!!!

Mess with the beef, and get the Horn. Is that what you're telling me?

Now I watched the video with the fat lady, and her skin is obviously not as thick as she supposes.

She contradicts herself with her presence, I think she's only doing it for the attention/recognition.

She's a bully.

[slowbell]

Mess with the beef, and get the Horn. Is that what you're telling me?

I was only teasing. You are BOTH valued contributor's to the forum.

It is wrong to intentionally hurt someone, with words, posts, or actions. That gal may contradict herself, and seek attention by proclaiming being a victim, but regardless. Nobody should judge her, or send a demeaning message her way, regarding how she looks. My two bits.

[Horn]

I was only teasing.

Next you'll be ridiculing me by calling me annoying. :)

[slowbell]

Next you'll be ridiculing me by calling me annoying. :)

Don't forget, you are the guy who keeps calling me Gilligan. :)

[collector]

Just another way of trying to eliminate free speech. "think how this affects children"...blah blah blah. verbal bullying, cyber bullying - all a bunch of bs, meant to turn everyone into docile sheep afraid to do or say anything not approved by the masses (what's acceptable to the masses is whatever the gov't proclaims to be acceptable).

[Horn]

Not to worry slowbell, your cousin kevin is here. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-JxoW1VJ4jI#!

[hoarder]

Just another way of trying to eliminate free speech. "think how this affects children"...blah blah blah. verbal bullying, cyber bullying - all a bunch of bs, meant to turn everyone into docile sheep afraid to do or say anything not approved by the masses (what's acceptable to the masses is whatever the gov't proclaims to be acceptable).I think you're on to it.
A couple years ago there was a proliferation of "MEAN PEOPLE SUCK" bumper stickers, usually found on vehicles driven by college are girls. I doubt any of the drivers of those vehicles gave as much thought about the definition of "MEAN" as I did.

Telling the inconvenient truth is "mean".

[slowbell]

Not to worry slowbell, your cousin kevin is here. :)

Oh Oh! Fighting words. Damn you Horn, you've insulted the family name, care to box?

:)

[Tumbleweed]

Teach a kid some martial arts and then he can sort out the bullying. There is only one way to stop a bully and that is to dominate them so they know there are "consequences" to their actions. This is the part of lifes education that they have not had the lesson for yet. It's your duty as the bullied to educate them.

It also helps if you can identify a bully quickly and put them in their place right from the get go. If you give them one victory they will be back for more very soon.

Damn good advice Glass. I spent a lot of my younger years educating bullies. Now that i'm older I don't care to be involved in fist fights like I used to so I'm always armed and just want to be left alone.

[Horn]

Oh Oh! Fighting words. Damn you Horn, you've insulted the family name, care to box?

:)

No, I can't fit the gloves on over these hooves.

[collector]

I think you're on to it.
A couple years ago there was a proliferation of "MEAN PEOPLE SUCK" bumper stickers, usually found on vehicles driven by college are girls. I doubt any of the drivers of those vehicles gave as much thought about the definition of "MEAN" as I did.

Telling the inconvenient truth is "mean".

So true - happy, happy feel good thoughts are all any of us should have in this Brave New World.

I remember when the whole "mean spirited" comments started during the end of the clinton years. It was a Democrat tactic used to say that Republicans didn't care about people and were angry people...part of Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy". It looks like this is what it's morphed into - something both snake heads can agree on - call it bullying, use a few stories about people committing suicide or damaging kids self esteem and then we can have designated months of awareness followed by laws that can be used to punish offenders.
What happened to this country? I get that the politicians are destroying the republic but how is it that everyone seems to just go along with this stuff? All I can figure is hours of teevee programming are showing the results

[Libertarian_Guard]

So true - happy, happy feel good thoughts are all any of us should have in this Brave New World.

I remember when the whole "mean spirited" comments started during the end of the clinton years. It was a Democrat tactic used to say that Republicans didn't care about people and were angry people...part of Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy". It looks like this is what it's morphed into - something both snake heads can agree on - call it bullying, use a few stories about people committing suicide or damaging kids self esteem and then we can have designated months of awareness followed by laws that can be used to punish offenders.
What happened to this country? I get that the politicians are destroying the republic but how is it that everyone seems to just go along with this stuff? All I can figure is hours of teevee programming are showing the results



Then for follow-up came Bush 43 with "A Kinder Gentler Nation"

Since WWI, with "The War to End All Wars" - - the rethoric/propaganda will forever continue.

[skid]

Teach a kid some martial arts and then he can sort out the bullying. There is only one way to stop a bully and that is to dominate them so they know there are "consequences" to their actions. This is the part of lifes education that they have not had the lesson for yet. It's your duty as the bullied to educate them.

It also helps if you can identify a bully quickly and put them in their place right from the get go. If you give them one victory they will be back for more very soon.

Maybe I lived in a tough town, but the bullies I grew up with were looking for fights, not the typical cowardly bullies most people describe. They wanted nothing better than to get into a fight so they could really kick your ass. One guy I knew in particular was naturally tough and strong and somewhat immune to pain, weight lifted, took martial arts, and loved to fight.I never did see him get beat, and he took on some tough dudes. He also tormented weaklings too. He especially liked beating up the soldiers who R&R'd in town when he got older. It's likely he's in jail now...

[undgrd]

I was bullied when I was younger. My father sent me to learn martial arts. When I was in Middle school I was bullied by a guy...he really was/is an evil prick. He was 2 years older. There was a 2 year reprieve from him when he moved up to High school when I saw him again. A lot had changed in 2 years. When he saw me, he immediately started in on me. I ignored him until he put his hands on me. Then I tossed him down a flight of stairs. Things were fine after that.

Strange

;)

[Celtic Rogue]

While its none of the guys business that the on air person was over weight...The email he sent was polite and factual however unnecessary. I still dont buy into his poking his nose into her weight problems . I guess he was saying that she was not a good role model for the children. However what he did was not bullying. If what he did is bullying... then so is what she is doing! Also by using her on air capabilities to air a private matter she is in a way bullying him too.

I think the previous posters are correct that this is all an attempt to find ways to limit our freedom of speech. Conditioning at its best. When speaking the truth in a respectful manner is deemed to be bullying when you feel that your feelings have been hurt... the camels nose under the tent!

[Neuro]

She'ld be living a longer life if she took the advice of the "Bully", but obviously she is more eager to lash out against him/her. Further she is a public figure and as such should accept critique from the public, if you can't handle it then get out!

[Old Herb Lady]

I wondered if I should have written "he/she can sort out the bullying". Martial arts is something women can do as well. It's a modern world after all.


I was bullied when I was younger. My father sent me to learn martial arts. When I was in Middle school I was bullied by a guy...he really was/is an evil prick. He was 2 years older. There was a 2 year reprieve from him when he moved up to High school when I saw him again. A lot had changed in 2 years. When he saw me, he immediately started in on me. I ignored him until he put his hands on me. Then I tossed him down a flight of stairs. Things were fine after that.

Strange

;)


Martial arts numero uno !! Good posts !

The lady in the OP wants to call that bullying ?

He didn't even call her a name ! Sheesh. I've been in the public eye , been called every name in the book.
Been kicked at, been spit at, been called stupid, illiterate, heard it all. You get love mail, you get hate mail.
The haters are just sooo insecure about themselves it's ridiculous. RIDICULOUS.

Lots of skinny people hate fat people. Lots of fat people hate skinny people. That's the way it goes.
So they'll use a person's weight to get to them because they KNOW it will bother them.

If people would focus on minding their own business and leave other people the fck alone who are NOT bothering them, then we'd all be OK then.

If that letter was genuine , it was probably from somebody with nothing else to do with their life or it was someone who
knows her and wanted to put a dig into her.

Also, I'm all about free speech and all....but when someone physically gets in your face & bullies you, now that is a whole
different ballgame and needs dealt with SWIFTLY !

The little kids at school that bully the other little kids at school all deserve a sweet little surprise from the weaker kid they're picking on, IMO.
And the weaker kid just needs to know how to handle the situation from a very young age because it doesn't get any better as they get older.
Once the bully is put in their place, they will have respect that they never had before !

Speaking from experience !!

Martial Arts give the weakest kid confidence to deal with them. And they are everywhere.

[Twisted Titan]

i don't see it as bullying at all. he wrote her a letter. she read it, didn't sound like he was using profanity or doing anything nasty. she is obviously personally hurt by it (she claims she doesn't care, but t
hen why the big fuss + rebuttal?). but, just because somebody hurt your feelings doesn't make it bullying. everyone in our society is turning in to a pussy.9

all of this anti-bullying stuff that is all the rage is designed to make everyone in to some sort of metrosexual who doesn't dare raise their voice or do anything but go along with the collective. it's complete bullshit.


Meanwhile all of us get effectivily bullied by zionist israel

They are bullies on a global scale ammped up on racist steriods and we all pay a fearsome price

[LuckyStrike]

Well 4 pages in I will chime in. Thanks to everyone who responded.

My official thoughts are from my blog

"In this video this clearly obese news anchor valiantly stands up against a "bully" who pointed out that it is irresponsible for her to be a public figure given the fact that she is obese and obesity is unhealthy.

Many fat people have fallen over themselves with praise for this perceived heroine who has the backbone to stand up for her fatness. But I think the person who wrote the letter had it right.

I'm not advocating that all TV anchors need to be 100lb marathon runners, but obesity is an epidemic, especially in this country and parading this women on TV as a role model is irresponsible on the part of CBS. Near the end of the video she talks about standing up to bullies who bully you on skin color or sexual orientation, but last time I checked obesity is a choice and comes down to simple math, eat less, move more. It's startlingly simple, yet now because this woman lacks the willpower to control her portions she gets some kind of immunity from criticism?

This tolerance bullshit is going to the extreme, and guess what? Bullies are necessary. When kids grow up with their parents, they think they can do no wrong because their parents treat them as though they are the most special person on the planet. I am not saying that is wrong, but it doesn't give the kids an accurate assessment of themselves. Only when a bully says "hey you shithead you are loud and annoying and nobody likes you" does the kid do some self assessment and in the old days would say "hey, maybe I need to tone it down, perhaps I am annoying and the only one with the balls to tell me is this bully" Now though the kid would tell the teacher the bully would probably be executed and the kid continues on thinking he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the "just tell the government and they will save you from all your problems" idea is reinforced in his impressionable brain.

I'm going way off topic from this fat lady in the video, but suffice to say it is not OK to be obese, it isn't cool, and if you are fat you should want to lose weight. Society shouldn't change to accommodate you because you can't stop eating. "


Among friends though, on the topic of bullies I think that the entire anti bullying campaigns ultimately stems from the push for teen homosexuality. I also think in general kids are far too mean than they should be because they are raised by several generations of idiots for the most part. I never personally encountered bullies like some of you (thankfully), nobody stole my lunch money when I was in school, but there were kids who I didn't want to run across for sure. Kids are kids though, and kids are far more honest than adults and lack tact in conveying honesty but as I said in the post I think self assessment is necessary. I should also add that I know several annoying kids who I wish would get bullied, and one that is now 18 and would have been better off had someone humbled him on the playground at some point. Maybe these people make me want to support the bully. (I should also add that at one point when I got sent to military school I was "hazed" which I don't really consider bullying just a right of passage, and general pain in the ass, regardless I didn't and don't cry crocodile tears about it or hang myself from my ceiling fan)

Ultimately though I think bullying is just a sign of the times, every generation is becoming more barbaric. Still on many levels I think bullying can be productive, and prepare someone for life where your feelings get hurt and things are kind of crap.


As for the original story though, yeah this woman needs to go on a diet or get used to be called fat. End of story.

[slowbell]

Luckystrike,

You make a lot of good points. Looking back, I was only really bullied once. During my first year of high school, I went from an 8th grade class to a class of a 150 or so freshmen year. One kid used to pick on me. After class one day, I pushed him into a fence and challenged him to fight. We didn't fight, but he stopped bullying me.

Up until police academy, I had only been in 1 real fight before. In academy, it's like the military, they beat you down, and build you back up towards the end. First weekend, was PT weekend, they beat us up physically. They also had us box. They paired us up, the thought being most folks have actually never been punched before. People learn about themselves when they get hit. Like you said, it humbles folks. The guy I fought ended up later being a friend. At first, he was kicking my ass. At one point, I even had my hands down just taking punches to the face. Something snapped at that point, and I then unleashed on the guy. I knocked him down 3 times before they ended the fight. The last knockdown, his feet left the mat.

Later on, we had to fight the redman, as they call it, baton training. You have a soft baton, and have to fight the attacker off you. The instructor I fought...turns out he was the west coast police boxing champion. I took a major beating from that guy, I'll never forget it, but I fought until they stopped it. How many punches he landed on me, I don't know, but it was bad. Thankfully that was on a Friday, and I could spend the weekend lying around healing.

That lady wasn't bullied. Some guy wrote a rude letter to her, and she got bent out of shape about it. Lumped it into bullying, which it was not.

If you can learn from a bully, and grow, strengthen. The problem is when people refuse to learn. Then it's all pointless.

[skid]

[QUOTE=LuckyStrike;578279]
Ultimately though I think bullying is just a sign of the times, every generation is becoming more barbaric. Still on many levels I think bullying can be productive, and prepare someone for life where your feelings get hurt and things are kind of crap.

QUOTE]

I'll have to disagree with you if you think bullying is getting worse today. Kids today are very mellow that way, at least if my kids and their classmates are typical. Growing up, certain kids in my school were let go from school 10 minutes early so they could get a head start and run home before the bullies caught up with them and beat them up. Some kids would get the "pin ball" treatment in the hallways, having to run the gauntlet between two rows of kids on either side of the hallway. That would never happen today, at least where I live.
I was never bullied, but certainly got into my share of fights at school. This was actually quite common. I even had a teacher positively comment on a right cross that I threw against another student which knocked him down and out. Again, you don't see fights happening at school anymore either. However, back then they allowed boys to be boys and no one was ever hurt bad at all.

[midnight rambler]

A whole lot of this 'bullies' meme (but not all of it) has to do with making faggotism acceptable.

[zap]

This gal was not bullied, she just got a rude letter from a guy stating his opinion who musta been really bored and to much time on his hands if he had time to write a letter.... to tell her she was fat, no shit... we can't all see that?

I guess most men would like to see a beautiful, super model type doing the news, me too.... I get tired of the short, little, balding man with yellow teeth doing the weather report, but I don't have the time or energy to write him a letter!

Maybe if I felt like I was gods gift to men, I could find the time and gall to tell him to get off the air cause he is icky, and not a very good roll model for all young men... I only want to see tall, good looking, hot men, with white teeth doing the weather report!

There have always been fat/ ugly people, and I find it funny that he would comment on her and her not being a good roll model for viewers..... I'd like to see his picture.......

Usually when folks feel the need to point/put down someone.

Its because the have always felt less than important.

[Son-of-Liberty]

This clearly was not a case of bullying. The letter may have been in bad taste but it seemed to be written in the least offensive way possible to get his message across. He never actually called her fat or obese. Only that her condition had worsened over the the last several years.

What he said was true and truth when conveyed in a considerate manner should never be considered wrong.

This dumb bitch and society in general needs to grow the fuck up and have the emotional maturity to let stuff like this go. If someone insults me even if it is intentional I usually just let it go. Real bullies and ignorant people who make hurtful comments aren't worth the time worrying about what they think of you. These people are nothings, nobody's and most of the time what they say is more about boosting their own ego then it is about trying to harm you.

Their definitely is a push to pussify everyone and make certain topics off limits.

If she was 50lbs underweight and someone had written a letter saying that her condition had worsened over the past several years and anorexia was a dangerous condition and didn't portray a positive role model would anyone support her in lashing out and attacking the guy on television?

[willie pete]

she's a fatty, she says she has thick skin, that 's a lie, she should either loose weight or stay like she is and STFU

[JDRock]

my oldest son was a victim of bullying....then my # 2 came to school and he was the biggest baddest thing in the valley ...funny how those same kids cowered and kissed his ass! karmas a biotch.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

How you treat a bully says a lot about you.


Compassion and empathy towards people is a must. But at the same time some people are too sociopathic to be saved.


I try never to hurt anyone, but I have my line. People are always shocked when I say you should forgive, forgive, forgive, forgive, clap the ear, gouge an eye, punch the bladder.