What would it take for you to vote for Mitt?

[messianicdruid]

I would vote for Romney if:

1. He would declare a Jubilee on all debt.

I think this is the only thing that might get us out of this hole. Even then I have to ask myself, "could he be trusted to follow through on it".

Anything else?

[chad]

if a giant spaceship 12 miles wide showed up with death beams and made me do it under threat of incineration.

[sirgonzo420]

if a giant spaceship 12 miles wide showed up with death beams and made me do it under threat of incineration.

So a drone wouldn't be enough?

[VX1]

I would vote for Romney if:

1. He would declare a Jubilee on all debt.



Problem is, on a certain level, that's no better than this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJA6hn0Pnwo


I will vote for Romney when he says "I will kick the Communist Zionists out of America for good"... and even then he'd have to go back in time and change about every actions he's ever done, because his words mean nothing.

[chad]

So a drone wouldn't be enough?

no, i'm a pretty god shot with my x2. 3 1/2" should do it.

[tater]

My vote can't be bought for the price of a cell phone...maybe a big screen tv and toss in the cable,hmmm. JK. Select fire weaponry; oh hellz yea...

[messianicdruid]

Problem is, on a certain level, that's no better than this:

I don't think you appreciate what a jubilee would accomplish.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/living-economies/532

[General of Darkness]

He'd have to stab Netanyahu in the dick.

[VX1]

I don't think you appreciate what a jubilee would accomplish.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/living-economies/532

I’m against redistribution of wealth. I’m a believer that if all wealth was evenly distributed, within a generation, it would be somewhat back in the same hands, and just like today, half the population with big stupid looking rims, large televisions, and worthless bling-bling, would be back begging for a handout. Perhaps “Jubilee” worked in a time of simple money, investments, credit and debts, but in this modern world, a Jubilee would be another manufactured manipulation to encourage mal-investment. Who would extend any credit or make any investment in the years before the “Jubilee”? What I’m really against is the corporate government manipulation that produces artificially low interest rates that encourages mal-investment, punishes savers, etc., and laws that lock out competition. I currently owe more than my house is worth, but realize that Jubilee is not the answer to the problem government created, which is too much government (and global corporate control of the government).

[Dogman]

I’m against redistribution of wealth. I’m a believer that if all wealth was evenly distributed, within a generation, it would be somewhat back in the same hands, and just like today, half the population with big stupid looking rims, large televisions, and worthless bling-bling, would be back begging for a handout. Perhaps “Jubilee” worked in a time of simple money, investments, credit and debts, but in this modern world, a Jubilee would be another manufactured manipulation to encourage mal-investment. Who would extend any credit or make any investment in the years before the “Jubilee”? What I’m really against is the corporate government manipulation that produces artificially low interest rates that encourages mal-investment, punishes savers, etc., and laws that lock out competition. I currently owe more than my house is worth, but realize that Jubilee is not the answer to the problem government created, which is too much government (and global corporate control of the government).

Money/wealth has always flowed from the stupid/dumb into the hands of the smart and crafty.

There is no cure for stupid or dumb.

But there is hope for the ignorant because they have a chance of learning.

[VX1]

Money/wealth has always flowed from the stupid/dumb into the hands of the smart and crafty.

There is no cure for stupid or dumb.

But there is hope for the ignorant because they have a chance of learning.

Yes, mistakes are the world's greatest teacher, but not when there are no consequences to mistakes, or they are even rewarded by the government. All that is learned is that someone else will be responsible for your mistakes.

[messianicdruid]

I’m against redistribution of wealth. I’m a believer that if all wealth was evenly distributed, within a g e n e r a t i o n ...

This is why a jubilee is to be declared every fiftieth year. It is NOT a redistribution of wealth. It is a cancellation of debt. Big difference. The debt has been accumulated through fraud. If you enjoy being defrauded, kiss your chains. If you are collecting usury, you are part of the problem.

[iOWNme]

What would it take for you to subvert your morals and vote for Mitt?

Nothing. I will not bend. I will not break.

I removed my name from the Voter Registration over 5 years ago for a reason.

[messianicdruid]

Money/wealth has always flowed from the stupid/dumb into the hands of the smart and crafty. There is no cure for stupid or dumb.

One generation should not suffer for the errors of another.

[AndreaGail]

nothing.

havent voted for a president since 11th grade class elections and even then I could tell it was a waste

[madfranks]

One generation should not suffer for the errors of another.

I agree with you. 50 years is long enough to encourage long term investments and projects, but every new generation of folks will not have to be saddled with their parents' debt.

[VX1]

This is why a jubilee is to be declared every fiftieth year. It is NOT a redistribution of wealth. It is a cancellation of debt. Big difference. The debt has been accumulated through fraud. If you enjoy being defrauded, kiss your chains. If you are collecting usury, you are part of the problem.

I just don’t think that much personal debt has been accumulated through fraud. Sure the whole ridiculous national debt is fraud, and I’d say that fractional reserve banking is also fraud, but I just don’t see usury as the problem. If I risk some of my capital to “invest”, or loan to you, I’d expect to be paid back, with some interest, else I’d never be interested in taking the risk. Many businesses would never have existed, if this type of agreement was not possible. Growth would be very difficult. It would be a situation where truly only the rich could run businesses. Now, on the plus side, a consistent jubilee would put an end to long-term loans/investments, so housing and education would be much more affordable without all that easy credit, but on the other hand, it would seem to me that the net effect would be to kill investment and growth, to return us to a feudalistic society of kings, blacksmiths, and paupers.

Besides, the banks already got their Jubilee with the bailouts, and all it did was allow them to keep making the same mistakes over and over.

[chad]

i don't know anything about how a jubilee works other than that people advocate it from time to time. my main question is, outside of saving up for anything, how would anything get bought or sold? why would i sell a house to you on year 45 of the cycle if i knew you were going to walk away with my house 5 years later. what do you do in that scenario? the family saves up for 200 years to buy a 450k house? i would think it'd just be a big stagnation of the rich owning everything forever.

[Gaillo]

A lobotomy.

[messianicdruid]

If I risk some of my capital to “invest”, or loan to you, I’d expect to be paid back, with some interest, else I’d never be interested in taking the risk.

Taking an interest in a business venture means part ownership. This has been conflated with usury to hide the fraud.

Jubilee for only the wealthy is a great evil, and in reality is not a jubilee at all.

[messianicdruid]

"What do you do in that scenario?"

I don't have all the answers, but if we all could return to our family property {inheritance - the land is to be divided and never sold}, and we were not being defrauded by debt money {loaned by people who do not have the money to loan in the first place}, and being taxed to pay for government's unconstitutional spending, we may inherit our home, or build them ourselves debt-free {no death-gauge} and suffer for our own mistakes rather than be oppressed in practically everything we do, as it is now.

[LuckyStrike]

I just don’t think that much personal debt has been accumulated through fraud. Sure the whole ridiculous national debt is fraud, and I’d say that fractional reserve banking is also fraud, but I just don’t see usury as the problem.

Are you serious? This is the core of every single one of our problems.

If there is 100 dollars in a town and Shlomo rides in sets up shop and, while his brother on television (edward bernays) convinces them they need new things, Shlomo makes a loan of 10 dollars at 10% interest. Where does that dollar in interest come from?

It comes out of circulation in the town and into Shlomos pocket who uses it again to make another loan, and the cycle repeats itself.


Today Western Society is a case study in the end result of centuries of usury. Debt slavery to the jews, this is ALWAYS the end result.

[chad]

Are you serious? This is the core of every single one of our problems.

If there is 100 dollars in a town and Shlomo rides in sets up shop and, while his brother on television (edward bernays) convinces them they need new things, Shlomo makes a loan of 10 dollars at 10% interest. Where does that dollar in interest come from?

It comes out of circulation in the town and into Shlomos pocket who uses it again to make another loan, and the cycle repeats itself.


Today Western Society is a case study in the end result of centuries of usury. Debt slavery to the jews, this is ALWAYS the end result.

and then when they can extract no more, the jews crash the country and move to the next one. they are like the locust aliens in the movie "independence day."

[VX1]

Are you serious? This is the core of every single one of our problems.

If there is 100 dollars in a town and Shlomo rides in sets up shop and, while his brother on television (edward bernays) convinces them they need new things, Shlomo makes a loan of 10 dollars at 10% interest. Where does that dollar in interest come from?

It comes out of circulation in the town and into Shlomos pocket who uses it again to make another loan, and the cycle repeats itself.


Today Western Society is a case study in the end result of centuries of usury. Debt slavery to the jews, this is ALWAYS the end result.

I am serious... I just really see no problem with Shlomo loaning someone $10, IF he indeed has $10 to lend, and earning some amount of agreed interest based on that risk. And, although I personally hate television and have studied Bernay's science of lying and propaganda, I really have no problem with Shlomo's brother trying to convince people they need things, as long as he's truly selling a product or service, and not just lying and stealing. It's all kind of Free Market Capitalism 101, which is a good thing. It's the responsibility of each individual to use critical thinking and reasoning to decide which products they need/want.

The Jews having a monopoly on usury, and doing business dishonestly, I have a huge problem with. Zionists Jews colluding and bribing what was supposed to be our representatives with a fake monopoly money product, I have a huge problem with... but not the concept of usury itself.

[LuckyStrike]

I am serious... I just really see no problem with Shlomo loaning someone $10, IF he indeed has $10 to lend, and earning some amount of agreed interest based on that risk. And, although I personally hate television and have studied Bernay's science of lying and propaganda, I really have no problem with Shlomo's brother trying to convince people they need things, as long as he's truly selling a product or service, and not just lying and stealing. It's all kind of Free Market Capitalism 101, which is a good thing. It's the responsibility of each individual to use critical thinking and reasoning to decide which products they need/want.


Well you point out one thing extremely accurately this is free market capitalism 101 indeed. Which is why it is a shit system.

The talmud teaches that non jews have no property rights, communism is the quick way of parting the goyim and their property, capitalism the flip side of the coin takes longer, but accomplishes the same goal.

[gunDriller]

the option of over-turning Obama-care is tempting.


but it's like a choice between blackberry ice cream & raspberry ice cream.

not much difference.

i guess Obama would be the blackberry ?

[Libertytree]

20-100 cases of beer and $500...money talks and bullshit walks.

So.....since I know the Rmoney van will never pull into my driveway and Ron Pauls votes won't be counted in Fl I will vote for Gary Johnson. One last play at pretending any of this shit makes a fuck.

[slowbell]

20-100 cases of beer and $500...money talks and bullshit walks.

So.....since I know the Rmoney van will never pull into my driveway and Ron Pauls votes won't be counted in Fl I will vote for Gary Johnson. One last play at pretending any of this shit makes a fuck.

I don't even plan on voting, it doesn't matter anymore. It's all rigged. Plus, whom ever gets stuffed into the white house will just be another puppet for the banks. I have a less than optimistic view, you could say. If I could vote for none of the above, or vote for an empty chair, that would be worth my time.

A case of beer, I'll cast my worthless vote, at less that's something tangible.

[madfranks]

the option of over-turning Obama-care is tempting.


but it's like a choice between blackberry ice cream & raspberry ice cream.

not much difference.

i guess Obama would be the blackberry ?

Mitt was only against Obamacare until he clinched the nomination, and now he's not against it at all, he just wants to change it to become what he likes more than what Obama likes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI7xyFwpjDQ

[Ponce]

What it would take me?.........to be drunk, blind and stupit.......and the most important of them all? to be an American sheep......baaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaa.........and that goes twice for Obama.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://i.imgur.com/phn1M.jpg

[gunDriller]

if Romney made Ron Paul his VP, and then killed himself the day after the inauguration, that would at least have me THINKING about it.

[mick silver]

i would vote for him to leave this country and go back to his home land .....................

[Gaillo]

i would vote for him to leave this country and go back to his home land .....................

Israel? ???

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Mitt Romney tells an 80 pound man with muscular dystrophy that it would be better for him to die than to be allowed to use alternative medicines. Mitt directly owns stock in the "synthetic option" he suggested be used.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTe_oXRTKps

[VX1]

Mitt Romney tells an 80 pound man with muscular dystrophy that it would be better for him to die than to be allowed to use alternative medicines. Mitt directly owns stock in the "synthetic option" he suggested be used.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTe_oXRTKps

I want to visit the alternate universe where it is Mitt in that chair.

Why the hell is there a need for "synthetic" cannabis, when the real thing literally grows naturally like a weed? (yes, I already know the answer) The aliens studying us must really be scratching their heads.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

It's all about profits for Mitt. Mitt said he'd have the patient and his team of 5 doctors arrested for pursuing the only medication that has worked for him. The synthetic stuff makes him throw up, and Romney essentially says, "Too bad, because that's the only one that makes me money"

The guy doesn't even want it legalized for everyone, just people with certain deadly serious conditions like muscular dystrophy.

http://i.imgur.com/fI5nE.jpg

[slowbell]

NE, I knew a guy years ago who used to be paralyzed from the waist down. The med community told him he would never walk again. He cured himself, during a year long sabbatical living in a van, traveling, meditating, hanging from trees, and smoking marijuana.

One of the good things about California actually, is how accepted medical marijuana is. It's easy to get a card, lot's of places to buy, and even the local cops won't bother you, you have a card you are good to go.. (I know first hand, saw a lot of folks with cards). That muscular dystrophy fellow could get the help he needs. That video of Mitt is very telling, imo.