If I refuse the Flu Vaccine my medical practice will be terminated.

[mamboni]

Good evening all. I posted the following comment to an article on mandatory flu vaccination for hospital workers here: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/04/hospital-employees-threatened-jobs-flu-shot/#respond

As explained in my comment (vide infra), I have been placed in the dilemma of deciding to accept the flu vaccine or lose my medical practice. I have not slept in over a week and frankly, I cannot decide what I should do. Any constructive opinions or advice are welcome.


I am a physician service chief. I have earned MD and PhD and have research background in molecular biology and pharmacology and 20 years clinical practice experience. This year, my hospital medical board voted to make the flu vaccine mandatory for all staff physicians under pain of suspension of clinical privileges (i.e.getting fired). I am opposed to the vaccine for ethical, contractual and basic medical scientific reasons. I wanted to speak to the latter by pointing out the following facts and observations about the specific injectable killed vaccine being mandated by my hospital, all taken from the manufacturer's white sheet insert:

1. the manufacturer admits that it does not know the incidence or risk of developing serious and life-threatening side effects of the vaccine, specifically Guillain-Barre Syndrome, encephalomyelitis, transverse myelitis (neurologic total body paralysis), siezures, febrile siezures and Bell's Palsy. It says this right in the white sheet.

2. In healthy adults (age 18-64) the seroconversion rate after vaccination averages ~50%. Based on published literature, the efficacy (real world protection from influenza) is approx. half to two thirds of this, or approx. 25-35%. Only one third of vaccine recipients will gain true protection from influenza; and that is a best case estimate which is only true if the vaccine is a perfect match to the seasonal flu viruses that form the epidemic. This is right in the manufacturer's white sheet insert. In short, the very justification for mandating the vaccine in health care workers (i.e. to protect patients) is based on a false premise (i.e. the assumption that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing influenza infection, which according to the manufacturer it is not).

Any epidemiologist worth his salt will tell you that 35% efficacy for a vaccine is virtually worthless for preventing spread of influenza virus. I am astounded that doctors and hospitals are mandating what is effectively a placebo – it will have no significant impact on influenza infections in the hospital staff.

I am very torn as to what to do. I do not want to lose my medical practice and my livelihood. I have a wife and two children to support and I am furious at the hospital and medical leadership for putting them in such jeopardy, all for a vaccine of dubious utility. I may compromise and take the shot, not to be unemployed and have to uproot my family to start a new practice elsewhere. But if I accept this vaccine I know I will hate myself for it and wind up ultimately resigning from medicine. Financially, I could retire in 5 years. Now, it would be very difficult.

Let me close with some observations gleaned from hours of researching the influenza vaccine in my search for a way out of my dilemma, one which many of you no doubt share:

Influenza-related deaths have been greatly exaggerated. The risk of being hospitalized or dying from the flu is vanishingly small in a healthy adult, less than 1 in 100,000.

The incidence of influenza-related hospitalizations and deaths have remained virtually unchanged in the US during the last 30 years since the introduction of influenza vaccination. The flu vaccine has had virtually no impact whatsoever – it does not work.

I have discussed this dilemma with two colleagues. One, a retired GP, told me he gave flu vaccines to hundreds of patients and never had one report serious side effects. He thinks I should take the shot. Another colleague, a hematologist-oncologist, told me that he developed Bell’s Palsy soon after receiving a flu shot and required several years to fully recover. He also told me of a colleague who developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after a flu shot and was disabled for 9 months. These are anecdotes to be sure. But when the manufacturer admits that it does not know the risk of these complications, it is safe to say that the risk is at minimum not insignificant and certainly higher than the oft parroted guestimate of one in a million.

[Cebu_4_2]

Surely you have a connection that will give you one in the privacy of an office. Perhaps the syringe will make it into the bio-hazard box without being used.

[mamboni]

Surely you have a connection that will give you one in the privacy of an office. Perhaps the syringe will make it into the bio-hazard box without being used.

I was offered this option by a colleague. But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid the shot.

[ImaCannin]

If you get all the others who dont want to take it to all stand up and walk out...... Go on strike, file a law suit, make them prove that the vaccine actually works. Change the vaccine bottle to saline.... Tell the persons who voted for the mandatory vaccine that they are first and you want to wait a few weeks to see if they kill over before you take it.

Sorry that this is happening to you. If something does happen, you can always study natural healing and become a better man!

[zap]

Mamboni, You know the answer to this dilemma I 'm sure you know some good folks, some folk that filled the needle with saline, you can work around it, Just be smart and savy...... Play the part , you are not stupid..... you will be ok you are a DR. figure it out! Its all perception.

[EE_]

I vote find a way to fake it by any means...bribery or by threat.

[Osiris]

Wow! That's a tough one. Well I guess that depends on the person. My first thought is "fuck them!", I won't put poison in my body because they demand it! However, I drink a lot of beer and I don't eat perfectly so I'm technically already putting poison in my body, so why not do it to save my job? / income,etc... I guess it depends on how important the subject is to you... Are you willing to look someone in the eye and tell them that it is perfectly safe? If not, then why take it yourself? Also, have to live with yourself if someone you give it to or your "practice" gives it and they get sick.

[ImaCannin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIcvrIqvwE

[Uncle Salty]

Take the vaccine. Put it in the garbage. Semantics man.

[mamboni]

Take the vaccine. Put it in the garbage. Semantics man.

What?

[EE_]

Edit:

I was offered this option by a colleague. But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid a criminal action that violates my body.

[Gaillo]

What?

He's saying that if you TAKE the vaccine (from your accommodating colleague) then throw it in the trash can unused, you can then truthfully claim that you TOOK the vaccine.

Fuck 'em... they are not respecting you, your body, your life, your liberty, your business/property/livelihood, or your health... there's ZERO obligation or ethical imperative on your part to be perfectly honest and forthright with them!

[EE_]

He's saying that if you TAKE the vaccine (from your accommodating colleague) then throw it in the trash can unused, you can then truthfully claim that you TOOK the vaccine.

Fuck 'em... they are not respecting you, your body, your life, your liberty, your business/property/livelihood, or your health... there's ZERO reason on your part to be perfectly honest and forthright with them!

Yes, your collleague holds out his hand with the vaccine and you "take" it from his hand.
You tell everyone you "took" the vaccine. Brilliant and not a lie. :)

[Shami-Amourae]

I personally think you should fake it too. If you take a bullet, will anyone really care? I don't think it's worth it.

If you do decide to take it, take a shit load of Activated Charcoal and EDTA capsules to remove that poison from your body. The Activated Charcoal absorbs poisons/pharmaceuticals like a sponge so they pass through your system, and the EDTA will chelate heavy metals out of your body.

[mamboni]

This sounds like a plan. I will speak to my colleague next week and carry out Operation Semantic Immunity.

[mamboni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIcvrIqvwE

This video made me furious and also so ashamed of our government and the medical established that laid down for big pharma and allowed the American people to be used as test guinea pigs. This country is so fucking corrupt it is sickening. The SOB in charge of the Swu Flu program: what a fucking lying weasel. Not only should he have been fired, he should've been imprisoned for life for knowingly destroying the lives of thousands of innocents. God damn I am so hot right about now.

[Large Sarge]

Hey Mamboni,


I was in africa on holiday recently, and was touring some countries/sites, now in a few of the countries I visited, Yellow Fever Vaccine was required,

So I had a moral dilemna also,

What I did was decided to risk it, with a few conditions.

I loaded up on a shitload of vitamin C a few hours before, during, and after vaccination.

Vitamin C acts as an antitoxin in the body, it acts as a chelating agent, boosts immune function, etc

basically Vitamin C will destroy/nullify/pull out any toxin in the body.

So IMO your risk is about nothing if vitmain c levels are high enough,

in good conscience, you could advise any patient taking a vaccine to do the same thing

[Neuro]

Private practice?

I think you would do tremendously well! You are a common sense, intelligent, stand up guy! Patients would love you and pay you cash for your services. Don't take their bullshit any longer!

[gunDriller]

given the degree to which "doctors" do lie & falsify procedures and medical records for unhealthful, nefarious, & selfish reasons, to do so in the interests of health is sometimes the moral choice.

which doesn't make it any easier.

[vacuum]

High-five to everyone in this thread who figured out how to properly take a vaccine.

Mamboni surely has the highest standards of ethics, I agree with Neuro that he would do well with a private practice.

[midnight rambler]

This sounds like a plan. I will speak to my colleague next week and carry out Operation Semantic Immunity.

Why should you have any problem with lying to the corporate state (a legal fiction) ESPECIALLY when the intent is to harm you? I certainly don't. lol

What this amounts to is a mandatory ASSAULT to please the godless Communist rats.

The first rule of camouflage: what you see is what you get.

[Celtic Rogue]

WOW this really sucks. You should never have to choose between your livelihood and your heath and freedom of choice! I dont know you personally but I do feel a friendship with you and hate to see this type of crap being foisted at you and your loved ones. I think deep down inside you, you know what is right and what is wrong. Dont feel loyalty to those that obviously place the big pharma needs above yours.

I was wondering how long it would be before they did this type of maneuver. What better way to sell the public that vaccines are safe... If all the doctors take the vaccines then they can say "Look even the doctors take the vaccines... they must be safe!" What better way to ensure that the veil of normality and safety of a product then to have 100% of the vaccines administrators using the vaccines.

[chad]

operation sematintic immunity is what i'd do. your wife's husband or children's dad is worth the risk. besides, they'll never find out.

[chad]

one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.

[DMac]

Mambo

I would cheat out of it with a 100 bill to the tech and get a saline solution, or just straight up forge whatever paperwork they are using. In war all is fair. They have officially fired the first shot in your direction.

If you want to make this a personal line in the sand I would be happy to help you make certain individuals lives hell that only begins with attempting to get them removed from the board.

I am sure you can get the names, phone, email and/or address of each member that decided to make this mandatory. This is an attack on your livelihood, your liberty and your pursuit of happiness. I would want to know which members voted to force this upon the staff, which ones did not.

I have learned one of life's most powerful weapons against those propagating evil is shame & mockery. Should they choose to terminate a person like yourself over this issue I would make their lives a personal hell. The internet is a powerful tool.

I would enact a movement to get said members stricken from the board. It is clear they have no regard for the health and safety of the people working within the hospital and no respect for science.

Even the federal gov (OSHA) now agrees that hospital workers should not be forced into flu vaccines.
http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/osha-argues-against-mandatory-flu-shots-for-hospital-employees/

They could be making a very powerful enemy in you Mambo. I bet you could quickly find out contract details wrt the hospital/vacc manufacturer. I bet the board wouldn't want to see hundreds of papers blowing around the parking lot claiming so and so got XXX kickback from w/e company produced your hospital's vacc. I have many ideas that get a lot more sinister than that, just touching the surface.

This shit has got to end.

[gunDriller]

what if you used a syringe with a longer needle (1" plus) and then injected, for example, your ear-lobe, or the thin skin between the fingers, so that the needle came out the other side ... the vaccine is expelled onto - the table, not in your body.

?

OK, not the best idea.

[mick silver]

dont make the members here hold you down to make you take the shot . i was at the doc last week , the doc ask me are you ready for your flu shot i said no and she said why i said because every time i have taken the shot i was sick all winter long , then she went back and look at my records and said i see were you were you stop taken the shots and you didnt get sick . she new there, and then she made notes for me not to take the shot . so maybe i am off the list for now

[Neuro]

one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.
Yes! An idea would be to sue the hospital after the employment is terminated. The hospital may not want to take a public fight with one of their senior Drs, and a hefty settlement may come your way Mamboni... Make sure newspapers and local TV stations finds out about the lawsuit when it is filed... A nurse or a janitor at your hospital don't have the same opportunities you have...

[iOWNme]

We are all in this together.....

I made a post a while back about being FORCED to by DEATHcare from this system. I personally choose to not have healthcare, not because i cant afford it, but because i dont want ANYTHING to do with this medical model we call 'Healthcare'. I have already made my mind up: When the time comes i will quite my job and go back to supporting myself with my many trades.

This is a personal decision, and you need to do what you think is best for you and your family. I dont know how old your children are, but i think you also need to think about the lesson they will learn by watching daddy fold to the Government when TRUTH, MORALS, REALITY and RIGHT are being destroyed. This is paramount in my opinion. This cycle of bullshit will never stop with young children seeing their parents 'go along' with this system.

I TRULY feel for you, but like i said we are all in this together. Each incremental move effect each of us differently. But the answer to the different problems are all the same: NON COMPLIANCE.

Think of the intrinsic invaluable lesson your children can learn by watching dad stand up to Government when Government is in the WRONG.





I just saw this today:


Hospital Employees’ Jobs In Jeopardy If They Don’t Get Flu Shot

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/04/hospital-employees-threatened-jobs-flu-shot/http://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/flu-shot.jpg?w=300

DENVER (CBS4)- Hospital employees across Colorado are being threatened with their jobs if they don’t get the flu shot by the end of the year.
This requirement is being implemented now even though the State of Colorado only requires more than half of all employees to receive the vaccination. The mandate for all employees doesn’t take effect for several years.

These health care workers feel they are being given a choice: get a flu shot or lose your job.

“I don’t want to get the flu shot and to me it seems I’m getting forced to put a virus into my body that I object to,” said one hospital employee who didn’t want to be identified.
The new state health regulations require flu shots for health care workers to be phased in over the next several years. Right now 60 percent are required.

Almost all hospitals in Colorado, including Exempla Lutheran, have made the vaccinations mandatory.

When asked what happens when employees tell their supervisors they aren’t going to get the flu shot, Exempla Lutheran nurse Renie Lindgren said, “Everyone seems to be compliant.”At
Exempla Lutheran those employees who refuse can be suspended. At Denver Health Medical Center, Centura Health and Banner Health, employees who don’t get a flu shot by the end of the year will be suspended and then fired.

When asked if it is fair to threaten employees with the loss of their jobs, Colorado Hospital Association President and CEO Steven Summer said, “We need to have a workforce available when the public needs it if they are sick. I think people choose to work in a hospital.”

The only way to avoid a flu shot requirement is for medical reasons. In those cases, health care workers are required to wear masks.

“For people already being hit with the ultimatum of it is the shot or your job, I would ask where are they at with the percentages,” said National Vaccination Information Center spokeswoman Theresa Wrangham.

Hospitals said it’s not a matter of just meeting the 60 percent compliance requirement, employees must follow their policies.

“To me it’s against your civil rights. I can see you are trying to protect patients and all of that and I get that but I feel I should have the choice to take a shot or wear a mask,” said the unidentified hospital worker.

The Colorado Department of Public Health said if hospitals want to go beyond the current flu shot requirements that is up to them. The hospitals maintain their policies are for the protection of their employees, patients and the public.


Video at link.....The DEATH of the individual is accomplished through the slow incremental push for the SAFETY of the general public.

[mick silver]

here what wrong with the calling the news companys there the ones pushing this shit . and plus if your not for us then your ours enemies this is what this country has come too . terrorists in a country ours fathers build . in time i see this being used as away to make people take the shot

[hoarder]

But I do not want to lie or commit fraud to avoid the shot.We live in a world in which we no longer have the luxury of being able to avoid being dishonest.

[palani]

Why are you attempting to hang on to a practice that violates your moral code? Get out of public practice and into private practice.

If it is the money then understand that there is no money. A bankrupt system is one seeking means to be solvent.

If it is the prestige of your position then realize there is no honor in accepting benefits from a communist state. There is no private property in such a system either so there can be no profit.

There is nothing to lose and quite a lot to gain by abandoning a position that untenable.

[midnight rambler]

I have learned one of life's most powerful weapons against those propagating evil is shame & mockery.

What about the shameless ones which this would have absolutely no effect on?? ???

I recently encountered a 'Lutheran minister' (yes, for real) on a couple of gun forums who's as shameless and vindictive as anyone I've ever had the displeasure of running across. In fact I think he strives to set the standard for shamelessness.

[midnight rambler]

We live in a world in which we no longer have the luxury of being able to avoid being dishonest.

Is being 'dishonest' to the beast system *really* being dishonest?

"Thy shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

Is the beast your neighbor?? What neighborhood are you living in?

[Tumbleweed]

If you don't want to take the shot don't. I have a friend who almost died from guillane barre disease. Probably came about from a flu shot. Another friend is dying of ALS but I don't know if that has anything to do with flu shots. It's a terrible way to die.

Do what you know is right. Don't lie and sell your soul to keep your job. If I recall right Book told you there was a need for doctors in his part of the world and encouraged you to explore that area if you were to move. I know rural areas in the west are always looking for doctors.

It feels good doing what you believe to be the right thing. A few years ago a trucking company I worked for made all the drivers take a course for homeland security to identify and turn in to the Feds any information about people who they thought might be terrorists. I wouldn't sign up. Their threat was they would fire anyone who wouldn't take part. I finaly quit them and for a long time they tried to get me to come back and work for them. It felt good.

[slowbell]

Mamboni,

A flu shot is a physically invasive procedure, correct? I seriously question whether the medical board can legally force this on the staff. One thought, would be to look into getting a legal document notorized refusing this invasive procedure. See what the medical board says to that.

As I recall, from being an EMT, if a patient refuses care, that must be honored. I think there was a form they had to sign acknowledging they refused treatment. If you are having these concerns, perhaps other doctors are as well. It might be worth fighting this legally. Just a thought.

edit: I found this pdf online, perhaps change the specifics around to fit your situation and get it signed by a witness?

http://uhs.nd.edu/assets/40876/refusal_of_care_against_medical_advice_form.pdf

[gunDriller]

i vote for tying up the organization decision makers and giving them all the doses of vaccines.

then they will be thoroughly protected, no ?

[slowbell]

i vote for tying up the organization decision makers and giving them all the doses of vaccines.

then they will be thoroughly protected, no ?

Good idea. Use the biggest horse cock needle you can find too. ;D

Maybe the medical board should get their own flu shot, via a tranquilizer gun to the jugular.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFW-yxe13lo

[Errosion Of Accord]

Gillette needs MDs. High per capita income and lots of health insurance in these parts.

[beefsteak]

Rarely do we non-medicos see some of the acute symptomatic presentation of a physician let alone one of your caliber --in real life, not as some Grey's Anatomy version. To be shared with so openly and so frankly is an astonishing privilege, mamboni. Helen and I thank you.

It seems rare for a physician to heal thyself first and foremost. We all are aware of the Hippocratic Oath, first do no harm. It's never particularly dawned on me before now, that a physician such as yourself would find themselves in the position of "being the patient" in this type situation. Helen and I are appalled.

You are undoubtedly at the vanguard of the medico exodus which IS happening and will continue. It is my hope and our prayers and fervent belief you WILL land on your feet, wherever your landing site. You have so very clearly articluated there is "change" in your future, which affects not only yourself, but your immediate family and personal finances. The timing is not your own. But it IS opportunity for you to be an agent of change.

Societally, we ordinary folk are going to benefit in totally unexpected ways from physicians making the difficult transition choices, i.e., moving in one form or another. It is in this "movement" that there is hope for the rest of us because THAT dispersal is a wild card to the central planners. Therein lies the hope.

Perhaps working with the likes of Catherine Austin-Fitts, who herself is a powerful agent of change-- is in your future. We MUST change the medical care delivery system conversation in order to bring about fervently coveted, beneficial change, one physician at a time it would appear.

My prayer for you is that you make the right choice for your personal health, and work out your own salvation. TS has HTF for you, and I'm so sorry for your sleepless angst. There is light and hope beyond your current interface with this unscientifically supported false flag event as you have described it.

God Bless and Protect you and yours, Mamboni.

[learn2swim]

Maybe consulting a lawyer would be a good idea. If you decide to take the shot, document it well. I would have a medical exam clearing myself from all known diseases suspected of being caused by vaccines prior to taking the shot. Then I would have the the vaccine procedure recorded on video. Make a statement on the video prior to administration of the vaccine that you don't want this vaccine, but are being forced to take it or you lose your job. Cover your ass!

[madfranks]

Mamboni, this is tough because if you do take the "semantics" route and "take" the vaccine, you are representing to your colleagues and patients that you accepted the treatment. How will you now be able to advise your patients against getting the vaccine? Every time you bring up the dangers/risks of the vaccine to your peers, they will simply remind you that you took it and call you a hypocrite. Think about the consequences of this semantics game, you may have to fake it for the rest of your practice. On the other hand, losing your medical practice is an incredibly high price to pay to publicly defy the establishment. Let me ask, do you really believe you would lose your practice? Is there a chance that they will acquiesce and not penalize you for refusing the shot?

On another note, I want to applaud you for your comment in the OP. I'm going to print out a copy, keep it in my work bag, and when my colleagues ask why I don't take the shot (as happens every year), I will show them your letter.

[madfranks]

one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.

It doesn't get any clearer than this, does it?

[Old Herb Lady]

I am so sorry for your suffering concerning this matter.

Am I permitted to ask you a very important, powerful question on here concerning this flu shot ?

I won't ask it until you give me permission to do so, that's how intense the question is and
I do not want to put you on the spot, ever, you're under enough stress. :(

[BabushkaLady]

It is easy for people not in your shoes to suggest that you stand up and refuse . . . I get that. However, might you just give it some time and see how other professionals are treated upon refusal? I've learned some powerful lessons about NOT acknowledging my intentions immediately, sticking with my principles, but also allowing time to intervene. Sometimes things change in your favor.

You have five years til retirement. Is this the time to slip out without a mark on your record as being a "refuser"? Maybe you can consult for another healthcare system, reinvent yourself as being self-employed and not in their line of fire?

Explore your other options! Good Luck!

[Libertytree]

I can't add anything to what's already been said but I do hate to see ya in this predicament and whatever course of action you take I wish you the very best Doc.

[Golden]

Does their order violate a previous oath or any contract(s)?
Lawyer up and game plan this out weighing all options and possible scenarios.
Start your own practice and use the publicity in your favor.

In short I'm saying take a STAND and FIGHT.

Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin

[Santa]

Do what you know is right. Don't lie and sell your soul to keep your job.

Straight up.

This is a fight worth fighting for. It's huge.

EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FIGHT RESONATES TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.

No to sound hyperbolic here Doc, but this may be THE opportunity of your lifetime. as a Dr. As a healer. As a MAN.

The battle has come to you. And quite clearly delineated. You KNOW what's right. That in itself is an awesome weapon.

You have what it takes to fight this horrible evil. Not only are you a Doctor and a man of conscience, you're also someone who can communicate with great strength, agility, humor and beauty. You can move people with words. You've moved me.

Refuse the vaccination!! Go public! Tip their boat over. Drown the fucking rats. Take no prisoners.

Whatever you decide though, I'm proud to have known you here online.

[mamboni]

I am so sorry for your suffering concerning this matter.

Am I permitted to ask you a very important, powerful question on here concerning this flu shot ?

I won't ask it until you give me permission to do so, that's how intense the question is and
I do not want to put you on the spot, ever, you're under enough stress. :(

Sure, ask away.

[midnight rambler]

Personally I would stand considering the opportunity to rout out those rat bastards and their Big Pharma lord, however I wouldn't hold it against you if you 'played along' (faked taking it).

[StreetsOfGold]

Yes, your collleague holds out his hand with the vaccine and you "take" it from his hand.
You tell everyone you "took" the vaccine. Brilliant and not a lie. :)

2 Corinthians 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

[mamboni]

Mamboni, this is tough because if you do take the "semantics" route and "take" the vaccine, you are representing to your colleagues and patients that you accepted the treatment. How will you now be able to advise your patients against getting the vaccine? Every time you bring up the dangers/risks of the vaccine to your peers, they will simply remind you that you took it and call you a hypocrite. Think about the consequences of this semantics game, you may have to fake it for the rest of your practice. On the other hand, losing your medical practice is an incredibly high price to pay to publicly defy the establishment. Let me ask, do you really believe you would lose your practice? Is there a chance that they will acquiesce and not penalize you for refusing the shot?

On another note, I want to applaud you for your comment in the OP. I'm going to print out a copy, keep it in my work bag, and when my colleagues ask why I don't take the shot (as happens every year), I will show them your letter.

Thank you for the kind words. You guys here are great people, intelligent, thoughtful and righteous. Yes, there is a very good chance that I will lose my practice because the physician who spearheaded the mandatory vaccine is the hospital CMO and he doesn't like me or my independent thinking. He shoots from the hip and makes sweeping bureaucratic decisions without a care for the consequences. I seriously wonder if he has Asperger's syndrome.

If I choose the legal route and sue the hospital and name each and very physician member of the medical board, it will certainly bankrupt my practice and destroy my presently excellent relationship with the hospital and community. If I were to win the legal battle it would be a pyrrhic victory. If I lose it would be a personal and professional disaster. I am not so bold as to think that I alone could set in motion a mass movement to reject the mandatory vaccine policy. I merely want to get on with my practice and life, and uphold the oath I took to Hippocrates so many years ago. The semantic solution is not honorable; but, it is not hishonorable either. It is expedient yet no one is harmed and potential financial and professional harm to many is avoided. In the end, I am a pragmatist and realist, not a reformer or revolutionary.

[mamboni]

Hey Mamboni,


I was in africa on holiday recently, and was touring some countries/sites, now in a few of the countries I visited, Yellow Fever Vaccine was required,

So I had a moral dilemna also,

What I did was decided to risk it, with a few conditions.

I loaded up on a shitload of vitamin C a few hours before, during, and after vaccination.

Vitamin C acts as an antitoxin in the body, it acts as a chelating agent, boosts immune function, etc

basically Vitamin C will destroy/nullify/pull out any toxin in the body.

So IMO your risk is about nothing if vitmain c levels are high enough,

in good conscience, you could advise any patient taking a vaccine to do the same thing

Maybe so about vitamin C Sarge; but, there is principle involved as well as unknown risk. I am a big proponent of Vitamin C as both preventative and health promoter and consume 1.5 to 2 grams daily and more if stressed (like about now!). But, I don't know for a fact that the Vitamin C would prevent the serious vaccine-associated complications.

[mamboni]

Does their order violate a previous oath or any contract(s)?
Lawyer up and game plan this out weighing all options and possible scenarios.
Start your own practice and use the publicity in your favor.

In short I'm saying take a STAND and FIGHT.

Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest. -Benjamin Franklin

That quote looks strangely familar - LOL.

Yes, I'm reviewing my contract, the medical staff bylaws and the credentialing requirements pertaining specifically to my position. I'm fairly confident there is no mention of influenza vaccination. So on legal grounds, they have no standing in forcing me to be vaccinated. But, sad to say, who even respects or follows the letter of the law or contracts these days?

[mamboni]

one other thing i'd like to point out as well.

this illustrates the game has changed.

medical decisions are indeed now being made by bureaucrats, not doctors.

Truer words have rarely ever been spoken. Thank you Chad. I am full of emotion and affection for all of you.

[Uncle Salty]

The semantic solution is not honorable; but, it is not hishonorable either. It is expedient yet no one is harmed and potential financial and professional harm to many is avoided. In the end, I am a pragmatist and realist, not a reformer or revolutionary.

The AMA has a monopoly on the "health care" system and if one wants to make a living in the industry, one has to "play ball" so to speak. Too many examples have been made of renegades and lives destroyed in the process.

It is "art of war" time.

You have a great commitment to your patients and I sense you feel you will do the most good by continuing to help them rather than fighting a beast that will destroy you in the process and deny your patients your care.

When they outlaw healers, only outlaws will heal. Welcome to the new reality, pardner.

[StreetsOfGold]

I seriously wonder if he has Asperger's syndrome.

Couldn't you move to have this person removed with a voice of no confidence, being reckless and possible mentally impaired?

[mamboni]

We live in a world in which we no longer have the luxury of being able to avoid being dishonest.

Isn't that the truth. I told my wife the other day: upholding one's principles is very costly...but so necessary to the health of the spirit and the soul.

[mamboni]

If you don't want to take the shot don't. I have a friend who almost died from guillane barre disease. Probably came about from a flu shot. Another friend is dying of ALS but I don't know if that has anything to do with flu shots. It's a terrible way to die.

Do what you know is right. Don't lie and sell your soul to keep your job. If I recall right Book told you there was a need for doctors in his part of the world and encouraged you to explore that area if you were to move. I know rural areas in the west are always looking for doctors.

It feels good doing what you believe to be the right thing. A few years ago a trucking company I worked for made all the drivers take a course for homeland security to identify and turn in to the Feds any information about people who they thought might be terrorists. I wouldn't sign up. Their threat was they would fire anyone who wouldn't take part. I finaly quit them and for a long time they tried to get me to come back and work for them. It felt good.

Your last paragraph made me so proud of you. Thank you for being a man.

[monty]

Doctor, I have read all this thread. To me the answer would be simple. Stand up for what you believe. If you don't no one else is going to do it for you. Santa's post is dead on. You're intelligent, articulate and humorous. Rock their boat.

Good luck whatever your decision may be.

[mamboni]

The AMA has a monopoly on the "health care" system and if one wants to make a living in the industry, one has to "play ball" so to speak. Too many examples have been made of renegades and lives destroyed in the process.

It is "art of war" time.

You have a great commitment to your patients and I sense you feel you will do the most good by continuing to help them rather than fighting a beast that will destroy you in the process and deny your patients your care.

When they outlaw healers, only outlaws will heal. Welcome to the new reality, pardner.


That is a fine quote my friend. If I get though this, I may have a big plaque made of it to hang over my office door.

[mamboni]

Couldn't you move to have this person removed with a voice of no confidence, being reckless and possible mentally impaired?

Wow, that would be a long shot of long shots. Don't forget that the CDC itself made this recommendation. I would have to discredit the entire medical establishment to have any chance of having the CMO removed. Let me tell you, in medical bureaucray, it is very difficult to effect change of pesonnel.

[Horn]

Is "First Do No Harm" From the Hippocratic Oath? Myth vs Fact
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/greekmedicine/f/HippocraticOath.htm

[slowbell]

Mamboni,

Sounds like fighting this is a lose-lose situation. If you do lose your practice fighting this, your whole community suffers, not just you. We need more doctors like you.

Just throwing that thought out there. If I lost my job over something like a flu shot, it would just be me that's affected. You've got patients you are helping, a family to look after too.

It's important to pick your battles. I like the semantic idea now, just not playing their game.

All the best in whatever you decide to do, and thanks for your contributions on this forum. Try not to stress too much, God bless.

[Uncle Salty]

Mamboni,

Sounds like fighting this is a lose-lose situation. If you do lose your practice fighting this, your whole community suffers, not just you. We need more doctors like you.

Just throwing that thought out there. If I lost my job over something like a flu shot, it would just be me that's affected. You've got patients you are helping, a family to look after too.

It's important to pick your battles. I like the semantic idea now, just not playing their game.

All the best in whatever you decide to do, and thanks for your contributions on this forum. Try not to stress too much, God bless.

Exactly. Fighting the tyrannical machine at the precipice of economic doom would be a Pyrrhic victory.

When immoral/unjust regulations and laws are the order of the day, it is time to go rogue and survive.

As Hunter once said, "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Time to go pro.

[milehi]

I had to get a shot or sign this declination form to keep my job at one facility I work at.



Influenza is serious respitory diesese that kills an average of 36,000 persons and
hospitalizes more than 200,000 persons in the United States each year.
2. Influenza vaccination is recommended for me and all other healthcare workers to prevent
influenza disease and its complications, including death.
3. If I contract influenza, I will shed the virus for 24–48 hours before influenza symptoms
appear. My shedding the virus can spread influenza infection to patients in this facility.
4.If I become infected with influenza, even when my symptoms are mild, I can spread severe
illness to others.
5. I understand that the strains of virus that cause influenza infection change almost every year,
which is why a different influenza vaccine is recommended each year.
6.I cannot get the influenza disease from the influenza vaccine.
7. The consequences of my refusing to be vaccinated could endanger my health and the health
of those with whom I have contact, including:
• patients in this healthcare setting
• my coworkers
• my family
• my community
Despite these facts, I am choosing to decline influenza vaccination right now.
I understand that I may change my mind at any time and accept influenza vaccination, if
vaccine is available.
Acknowledgements
Representative
Signature:_________________________________ Date:________________________
I

[Old Herb Lady]

I am so sorry for your suffering concerning this matter.

Am I permitted to ask you a very important, powerful question on here concerning this flu shot ?

I won't ask it until you give me permission to do so, that's how intense the question is and
I do not want to put you on the spot, ever, you're under enough stress. :(


Sure, ask away.

Thanks. As being a staunch anti-vaccination supporter, I am now curious as to your stance on the whole vaccination issue.

My stance is that I do not believe in them at all. 100 % against them, all of them, but that is my world .

My question is do you believe that some vaccinations work and are good for you and other vaccinations, like the flu shot, are bad for you ?
I have seen you advocate a few vaccinations on here like Hep B vax, so I am confused, I thought you supported the polio vax as well.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61902-Hepatits-B
The flu shot contains formaldehyde , aluminum and thimerosol (mercury) just like voluntary Hep B vax that you've had before this mandatory flu vax threat.



I don't see how anyone could possibly in good conscience tell you to fight the Zios that are above you.
You are in way too deep & way too long to just lose your practice now all for the good & noble fight of not getting your flu shot.
Do we have any luck in our everyday normal lives fighting the Zios ? They're too big & wayy to powerful to bow down to some
M.D.s who will fight them.
Save yourself the stress and do the whole " I took my vaccination"-post #12)

They are threatening termination here.
To fight them you would have to be an anti-vaccination extremist that does not believe in the shots,
but you've said before on here that you've had other vaccinations.
They will bring your family into it, like if your kids are vaxed, your wife, your vax history, etc.
I do believe you'd be protected by a grandfather clause because you didn't sign a contract stating this mandatory shot when you took the job.
I don't know.


This is just my opinion Mamboni, but you're better off saving yourself alot of grief & suffering if you don't buck them.
If you do buck them, be prepared for HELL and I know of a very, very good school out west to get your Naturopathic Doctor degree.
If you know that you are a good, respected, noble, principled, ethical doctor just keep it at that & go with the flow & save yourself a war.

A private practice, as said here, sounds perfect for you. Then when you retire, you can still work a couple of days a week if you wanted to !

I think this thread needs moved to a members-only area .

[MAGNES]

Mamboni, thanks for the enlightening OP, I am sorry to see you in this position, you are not alone though.

You are in a better position than anyone to do the right thing not only for yourself.

I think you have some excellent comments above that I skimmed, I agree with, Gaillo, Uncle Salty, hoarder, etc

Many of your colleagues may not be aware of a lot of the information we have at our disposal from the net.

You can approach this from an educational point of view, educate your colleagues anonymously if possible,
you have email lists, numbers, addresses, of all hospital staff, female nurses especially ? Like Babushka Lady
said, don't identify yourself as the leader of the opposition and do it anonymously, you can make some waves.
You are not alone. Your OP complements a lot of info online, directly from the horses mouth just as you pointed
out.

Live to fight another day is rule number one. Taking care of number one, yourself, comes before that.

Stay anonymous, see what you can do, how much time do you have ? Buy yourself a year like Uncle Salty said.

If you and your colleagues take the shot OR NOT, they will have you doing this every year.

I see this more as a propaganda campaign more than anything else.

Identify the leaders pushing it and see if you can dig up some dirt, their affiliations, etc,
who's getting payouts, do it anonymously. Searches online, search their email address.

There is a history, people fought for freedom and they did it anonymously, stay anonymous.

DMac has a good post, you have some motivated soldiers here in your corner,
first we take the educational approach anonymously, see what materializes.

From there, I would only say that we have a lot to learn from our enemies.
They don't play by rules.

Ignorance is also our main enemy. Unfortunately, if you stand up as a leader to address this, you become a target.

[Serpo]

Mamboni you are trying to decide whether to be free person and making your own decisions or to submit to the PTB through blackmail.

The medical system has been corrupted for many years now and it does become important at some stage in our lives to do what is right and not something based on lies.

By taking the correct stand(stick your vac up your....ect) you will find that life will help you out by making the right choice but you need the courage,have you the courage.

If we havnt the courage and they continue on their merry way ,then this is evil and destructive.

Live the truth be the truth for we are the truth and always will be the case.

[Neuro]

First I want to say that this thread is a perfect example why this place really is the best place on the Internet, the free thinking intelligence of the membership is just mindblowing! All advice is just good, for dealing with the issue. There really is nothing wrong with dealing with the issue through the semantic route, you'll keep your job and you don't have the side effects. If you choose the more difficult road of rejecting the vaccine, you will most likely lose your current job, and probably you'll make enemies of some you consider friends today!

However I think you'll do great in private practice, which so far you haven't commented on yet, is that something you have considered to do? Or are you comfortable enough where you are right now? Really the great thing about private practice is that you would get a better clientele of patients, apart from the fact that no one could dictate to you how you should deal with them. Further if you are in private practice you will probably do way better when TSHTF, compared to if you are in the system, cause the system will not work any longer.

Further in your community you can make an example of how to deal with an unjust issue by putting your foot down, and just refuse to comply with their ridiculous demands.

Either way you choose no one should hold a grudge against you for it. It is good to get away from taking a shot that will not benefit you. But you may do much better than that, but it may be a more difficult route, at least in the short run!

[mamboni]

Thanks. As being a staunch anti-vaccination supporter, I am now curious as to your stance on the whole vaccination issue.

My stance is that I do not believe in them at all. 100 % against them, all of them, but that is my world .

My question is do you believe that some vaccinations work and are good for you and other vaccinations, like the flu shot, are bad for you ?
I have seen you advocate a few vaccinations on here like Hep B vax, so I am confused, I thought you supported the polio vax as well.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61902-Hepatits-B
The flu shot contains formaldehyde , aluminum and thimerosol (mercury) just like voluntary Hep B vax that you've had before this mandatory flu vax threat.



I don't see how anyone could possibly in good conscience tell you to fight the Zios that are above you.
You are in way too deep & way too long to just lose your practice now all for the good & noble fight of not getting your flu shot.
Do we have any luck in our everyday normal lives fighting the Zios ? They're too big & wayy to powerful to bow down to some
M.D.s who will fight them.
Save yourself the stress and do the whole " I took my vaccination"-post #12)

They are threatening termination here.
To fight them you would have to be an anti-vaccination extremist that does not believe in the shots,
but you've said before on here that you've had other vaccinations.
They will bring your family into it, like if your kids are vaxed, your wife, your vax history, etc.
I do believe you'd be protected by a grandfather clause because you didn't sign a contract stating this mandatory shot when you took the job.
I don't know.


This is just my opinion Mamboni, but you're better off saving yourself alot of grief & suffering if you don't buck them.
If you do buck them, be prepared for HELL and I know of a very, very good school out west to get your Naturopathic Doctor degree.
If you know that you are a good, respected, noble, principled, ethical doctor just keep it at that & go with the flow & save yourself a war.

A private practice, as said here, sounds perfect for you. Then when you retire, you can still work a couple of days a week if you wanted to !

I think this thread needs moved to a members-only area .

Yes, there are "good" vaccines. It is a complex question as so many factors are involved: lethality of the infection, transmissability, efficacy of the vaccine, side effects of the vaccine, number of potential lives saved versus lives lost from vaccination. There is never unanimous agreement on whether a vaccine is warranted. But in my opinion under no circumstances should a vaccine be mandated against the individual's will unless it be 100% effective and 100% safe. No such vaccine exists to my knowledge.

The issue of vaccinating health care providers is a thorny one because of the question of patient exposure. In the case of this flu vaccine I do not think it justifies mandatory vaccination. In fact, given it's mediocre efficacy, the same reasons that are used to justify mandatory vaccination would also justify mandatory universal precautions when doctors and nurses are caring for patients. After all, we can estimate that at best only 2/3 of the vaccinated might be protected. Therefore, at least 1/3 of workers, despite vaccination are no less a danger to the patient than an unvaccinated worker. If workers use gloves, gowns and masks and practice universal precautiosn then the need for the vaccine is obviated. Many physicians will get vaccinated as a marketing necessity, fearful that patient might refuse to see them unvaccinated. Do all doctors wear a mask, gloves and gown when seeing patients during flu seasion? Probably not. Some will say it puts a barrier between them and the patient. Others may not see the need. But the solution to preventing flu spread by healthcare workers is not to treat them as soul-less robots to be ordered against their will. The answer is education. If flu vaccine is being mandated to healthcare workers, it indicates to me that there may be serious gaps in education and training of workers.

Professionally, I do not see patients nor their families. And I have minimal contact with hospital staff. I can minimize this risk easily with simple precautions. There is no justification for the flu vaccine in my particular case.

[mamboni]

Sunday, September 23, 2012

Mandated Flu Vaccines: A Whole Lotta Nonsense



I spoke at the Healthy Traditions Network annual conference today (9.23.12). A flyer was distributed to those attending the conference that was titled, “Healthcare Workers Protect Your Freedom of Choice.” This flyer explained the flu vaccination conundrum that many health care workers are experiencing. You see, the Powers-That-Be want everyone who works in our hospitals to have a flu shot in order to protect the patients from getting the flu from sick health care workers.

Protecting the patients should be the number one goal of any hospital. However, mandating that every single hospital worker receive the flu vaccine or face termination is not the correct way to improve patient care.

I blogged about the flu vaccine in September and October of 2009—see the archives section on my blog homepage. In the October, 2009 post, here is what I wrote: “The U.S. government and pretty much all mainstream groups claim that the flu shot prevents the flu in those that get the vaccine. However, the flu shots have not been shown to be effective in healthy babies, children with asthma, adults, and the elderly.

In Children: A review of 51 studies which included more than 294,000 children found “no evidence that injecting children 6-24 months of age with a flu shot was any more effective than placebo. In children over two years of age, it was only effective 33% of the time in preventing the flu. (Chochrane Database of Systemic Reviews 2. 2008).
In asthmatic children, the flu shot did not provide any benefit in preventing asthma exacerbations. The authors of this study compared 400 asthmatic children who were vaccinated with a similar number of asthmatic children who were not vaccinated. They found no difference between emergency visits, clinic visits, or hospitalizations in the vaccinated versus the non-vaccinated group. (Arch. Dis. Child. 2004. Aug;89(8):734-5). If this study wasn’t enough to get your attention a new study found that “Children who get the flu vaccine are three times more at risk for hospitalization than children who do not get the flu vaccine.” (American Thoracic Society 105th International Conference, May 15-20, 2009, San Diego, CA.).

According to the CDC, the elderly are a population at increased risk for acquiring the flu and developing complications of the flu. In nursing homes or for the elderly living in the community, researchers found the flu shot was ineffective for preventing the flu. (Chochrane Databse of Systemic Reviews. 3(2006). In fact, the flu shot has never been shown to lower the rate of mortality from the flu in any population, including the elderly.

Clearly, there is NO reason to get the flu shot. It doesn’t prevent the flu and has not been shown to prevent complications from the flu.”


Would I change anything that I wrote about the flu vaccine? No. It was, and is, still true.

However, I can add to it. The Cochrane group is an independent medical research group designed to help physicians put evidence into practice. They do not take Big Pharma money. A 2010 study by the Cochrane group tried to answer the question, “Does seasonal influenza immunization of health care personnel reduce the incidence of influenza and its complications in older residents of long-term facilities?” The authors examined four randomized controlled trials and one cohort study. They found that vaccination of personnel had no effect on the incidence of laboratory-proven influenza, pneumonia, admissions to the hospital, and death from pneumonia. The authors concluded, “There is insufficient evidence to support the vaccination of health care workers as a measure to protect older patients from influenza.” (Am. Fam. Phy. Oct 1, 2010. Vol. 82, No. 7. Pg. 763-4).

So, should all health care workers be mandated to get the flu vaccine? The answer is clear: No. Nobody should be forced to receive a vaccination that is not only ineffective; it is also contaminated with mercury.

What can you do? In Michigan, House Bill 5605 was introduced which would allow health care workers the right to refuse the influenza vaccine as a condition of employment. Representative Gail Haines is the chair of the committee looking at this bill. You can call her and voice your opinion at: 517-373-0615. You can also email her at: GailHaines@house.mi.gov (GailHaines@house.mi.gov).

In Michigan, more information can be found at www.hcpvc.org (http://www.hcpvc.org).


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http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/2012/09/mandated-flu-vaccines-whole-lotta.html

[vacuum]

Mamboni, as others have pointed out this is an extremely important issue, both practically and in principle. I feel that the fact that doctors and other healthcare workers generally reject forced vaccinations is the only thing that is stopping every single American from being forced to get vaccinations and from there who knows what else.

It's a terrible position to be in when you have to choose between your livelihood and principles (and health).

To me, the most serious issue here is no one accepts liability. If you take the vaccine and get an illness or die, the vaccine company isn't liable and the hospital isn't accepting liability either. They CANNOT make this mandatory, in my opinion, unless someone accepts liability.

So as we've learned many times on this forum, I would make a counter offer. Submit in writing you will accept the vaccine if they agree that they are completely liable for any injury or death that results as a consequence. Put explicit symptoms within a specific time period and specific damages (or ways to calculate damages). See if they are willing to put their money where there mouth is and give a few million to your family if you die.

There is no need for a vote of no confidence. If they truly accept the premise that these vaccines will protect rather than injure you, they should accept liability if instead they injure you. Statistically (1 out of 100,000 odds) they should have the money to cover anyone who is injured. If that is not the case, their whole premise collapses.

If they refuse to accept liability for damages from the mandatory vaccine, consult a lawyer and see if that is legal.

If all else fails, 'take' the vaccine.

[sunshine05]

Have you searched to see if exemption forms are accepted? Everyone thinks kids must be vaxed to enter school - they tell you that but what most don't know is that all but two states have exemptions that must be accepted. In NC they have a medical exemption (tough to use unless there is a known allergy to an ingredient) and a religious exemption that must be accepted. I typed the forms up myself and gave them to my kids schools (when they attended school) and nobody even blinked. It seems to me there should be an exemption for medical workers as well.

You stated above that the vaccines could protect 2/3 of people vaxed but the studies I've seen do not show that, in fact it's pretty much a fact that flu vaccines do not work at all. I just read an excellent book a few months ago and this was discussed.
http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-nation-Poisoning-Population-Shot-Time/dp/0984595422/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349571490&sr=8-1&keywords=andreas+moritz+vaccine+nation

[Old Herb Lady]

Yes, there are "good" vaccines. It is a complex question as so many factors are involved: lethality of the infection, transmissability, efficacy of the vaccine, side effects of the vaccine, number of potential lives saved versus lives lost from vaccination. There is never unanimous agreement on whether a vaccine is warranted. But in my opinion under no circumstances should a vaccine be mandated against the individual's will unless it be 100% effective and 100% safe. No such vaccine exists to my knowledge.

The issue of vaccinating health care providers is a thorny one because of the question of patient exposure. In the case of this flu vaccine I do not think it justifies mandatory vaccination. In fact, given it's mediocre efficacy, the same reasons that are used to justify mandatory vaccination would also justify mandatory universal precautions when doctors and nurses are caring for patients. After all, we can estimate that at best only 2/3 of the vaccinated might be protected. Therefore, at least 1/3 of workers, despite vaccination are no less a danger to the patient than an unvaccinated worker. If workers use gloves, gowns and masks and practice universal precautiosn then the need for the vaccine is obviated. Many physicians will get vaccinated as a marketing necessity, fearful that patient might refuse to see them unvaccinated. Do all doctors wear a mask, gloves and gown when seeing patients during flu seasion? Probably not. Some will say it puts a barrier between them and the patient. Others may not see the need. But the solution to preventing flu spread by healthcare workers is not to treat them as soul-less robots to be ordered against their will. The answer is education. If flu vaccine is being mandated to healthcare workers, it indicates to me that there may be serious gaps in education and training of workers.

Professionally, I do not see patients nor their families. And I have minimal contact with hospital staff. I can minimize this risk easily with simple precautions. There is no justification for the flu vaccine in my particular case.


Thanks Doc.

Of course no one should EVER be forced into this, ever. So then if you do decide to fight the good fight ....then at least you'll need to know where to start.......


You are fortunate enough to live & work in a state that does NOT require mandatory vaccination admnistration.
USE THAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Write a letter & get a RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION FORM & give it to the head honcho at the hospital who is advocating all this nonsense.
I have to do this to save my kid's life every year ! Doctors are no different ! You can do it as well.
He doesn't know that you can do this, Mamboni ! Give him a surprise.

http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/StateVaccApp/statevaccsApp/AdministrationbyPatientType.asp?PatientTypetmp=Hos pital%20Employees

[sunshine05]

http://www.vaccinerights.com/healthcareworkers.html

[mamboni]

Have you searched to see if exemption forms are accepted? Everyone thinks kids must be vaxed to enter school - they tell you that but what most don't know is that all but two states have exemptions that must be accepted. In NC they have a medical exemption (tough to use unless there is a known allergy to an ingredient) and a religious exemption that must be accepted. I typed the forms up myself and gave them to my kids schools (when they attended school) and nobody even blinked. It seems to me there should be an exemption for medical workers as well.

You stated above that the vaccines could protect 2/3 of people vaxed but the studies I've seen do not show that, in fact it's pretty much a fact that flu vaccines do not work at all. I just read an excellent book a few months ago and this was discussed.
http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-nation-Poisoning-Population-Shot-Time/dp/0984595422/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349571490&sr=8-1&keywords=andreas+moritz+vaccine+nation

I was being generous with the 2/3 estimate of vaccine efficacy. To wit, approx. 1/3 have natural immunity and the vaccine might add another 1/3 as it is arguably 33% effective. But, from an epidemiologic perspective, 33% efficacy is virtually worhtless in prevention of spread of the infection.

[mamboni]

http://www.vaccinerights.com/healthcareworkers.html

Excellent site - many useful links there - thank you.

I cannot utilize the religious exemption as it were.

[midnight rambler]

So as we've learned many times on this forum, I would make a counter offer. Submit in writing you will accept the vaccine if they agree that they are completely liable for any injury or death that results as a consequence.

Considering you're talking about your livelihood here, it's only fair, reasonable, and prudent that *someone* (although I have serious doubts about any legal fiction doing so lol) assume full liability for something which poses so many REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL threats.

[Libertytree]

How long will it be before everyone must comply with the vaccine flavor of the moment? This time they're starting with the health care workers and I think they'll try working their way down, however possible.

[sunshine05]

How long will it be before everyone must comply with the vaccine flavor of the moment? This time they're starting with the health care workers and I think they'll try working their way down, however possible.

Yes, it will probably be part of Obamacare....get your shot or you will be refused medical care.

[Twisted Titan]

The answer is simple:

Do exactly what the Jewish Doctors do......cause i will stake my life each and every one of them is going to get a exemption or get a saline shot.

[original]

I took an mmrv recently. I transferred schools. It was $15 for the shot, $300+ for the titer. At first it didn't feel like much of anyhting,

[original]

you should give up your entire career etc. /sarcasm.

[lapis]

The AB2109 vaccine law just passed here in CA which was modeled on a similar one in WA, and you know that "they" will keep pushing compulsory vaccine laws until you will need them just to leave your house and go out in public. For the Greater Good of course!

A few months ago I went to a talk by one of the authors of Vaccine Epidemic (http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720), and her advice was to find your way around this problem as best as you can. If you read between the lines she was recommending that people subvert the law if it comes down to it.

In my case I know a few anti-vaccine doctors who would probably be willing to say in writing that they gave me a vaccine when they hadn't. I suggest everyone think seriously about finding a work-around like this.

However, if you find yourself in the position of having to be vaccinated here is Dr. Baylock's recommendations for detoxing from any possible side effects:

What To Do If Force Vaccinated (http://rense.com/general87/vaccin.htm)

With much love and warmth,

Lapis

[Twisted Titan]

Your health is everything.

EVERYTHING

Do whatever it takes to sidestep the issue

[mamboni]

http://thinktwice.com/vac.htm

I'm ordering five copies.

[vacuum]

http://thinktwice.com/vac.htm

I'm ordering five copies.

They are forcing employees to take a vaccine which could potentially injure them, but not accepting liability if injury occurs. Surely labor laws protect against such circumstances?

[slowbell]

http://thinktwice.com/vac.htm

I'm ordering five copies.

Why order five? You could order one copy, and read it five times. :)

[Hatha Sunahara]

Mamboni, I empathize with your dilemma here. I have grave doubts about the safety of all vaccines. I am also a strong opponent of authoritarian rule and fascism. These people will force you to make a moral choice. Their purpose is to root out those who have morals and courage. But, alas, I am also a pragmatist. If you are five years away from retirement, and you value your career, your comfort, your prestige, then I would suggest you take the semantic evasion. Don't worry too much about being a hypocrite. Our fascist dominated system forces us all to be hypocrites--to cower before authority, to go along to get along. You won't be doing much harm for your remaining five years because your heart is in the right place.

If you want to fight the system, find like minded people in your hospital milieu, and organize a surreptitious campaign of sabotage. With this policy in place, it should not be too difficult to discover others who resent the kind of choices they are being forced to make. Cultivate these people. Develop some agenda that might appeal to these people. Organize them to take advantage of opportunities to sabotage the system as it pertains to vaccines. If vaccine deliveries are intercepted and replaced with doses of saline solution, who would be the wiser? Big pharma would get their profits. People who believed that vaccines were protecting them would not have their health compromised, and the people who remove biohazard waste would see an increase in business.

There are lots of ways to fight the fascists. You could enjoy your years until retirement by doing good deeds surreptitiously. I would regard this dilemma as an opportunity to find ways to do such good deeds. If they have so little respect for you and other employees, then the public needs protection from such people. I would quietly find ways to protect the public. The right people to help in this are those who understand with just a wink and a nod. There are more of these people than you think. This is an area where working inside the system allows you to be more effective than trying to change it from the outside. If the fascists want to cultivate hypocrisy, then the height of hypocrisy is to be a 'loyal' saboteur. It'll take them a lot longer than 5 years to figure it out.


Hatha

[Neuro]

^^I would just love to see the follow up study showing what a roaring success the mandatory flu vaccine was, when it was secretely changed to a saline solution...

[mamboni]

Ron Paul, one of only two Congressman (and not so coincidentally both physicians) who had voted against the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccination Program:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiTStZtrlE&feature=related

[mamboni]

Why order five? You could order one copy, and read it five times. :)

I intend one giving out copies to some key people I know, some who are co-workers. I will leave one in the lab lounge. Hopefully, my staff will pick it up and read it. There is someone in my organization who may ascend to the top power position. She and I have a special relationship of deep mutual respect and admiration. She is a Christian and a person of superlative qualities. She is intelligent, empathic, organized, a superb listener, experienced and she clearly inspires those around her. She is a natural leader - it comes off effortlessly, as if divinely ordained. She is humble and thrives on the success of others and the organization and has no interest in her own advancement. I pray that she will be the one. I would walk on fire for this woman - she is a class act and the kind of person one is proud to work for. She will be getting a copy as well.

[ImaCannin]

How long will it be before everyone must comply with the vaccine flavor of the moment? This time they're starting with the health care workers and I think they'll try working their way down, however possible.

That is about the time that Ima opens up a can of .........

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G-EWSfJ1PwE/TEJIvKpMYYI/AAAAAAAABfE/BtJA50umUVQ/s1600/CanofWhoopAss375.gif

[mamboni]

Annual Flu Deaths:
The Big Lie


By Neil Z. Miller



The Flu Vaccine: Safety & Efficacy (http://gold-silver.us/forum/flu.htm)


Swine Flu and Swine Flu Vaccines (http://gold-silver.us/forum/swineflu.htm)


Does the Flu Vaccine Matter? (article) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/fluvac.pdf)


Avian Flu: Quarantine vs. Vaccine (http://gold-silver.us/forum/avianflu.htm)


Every year, just prior to the impending "flu season," the CDC and their acquiescent media pawns terrorize the American public with false claims regarding annual flu deaths. The CDC boldly asserts that 36,000 people die every year from the flu. Such scare tactics are calculated to increase flu vaccine sales. However, according to the CDC's own official records documented in National Vital Statistics Reports (http://thinktwice.com/cdc_2001.pdf), only a few hundred people die from influenza (flu) on an average year. And many of these deaths occur in people with preexisting conditions, weakened immune systems, and the elderly. For example, in 2002, 753 people died from the flu. The year before, in 2001, just 257 people died from the flu. (Fifty-nine percent of these deaths occurred in people 75 years or older; 75 percent occurred in people 55 years or older.) To put these numbers in perspective, 3,454 Americans died from malnutrition in 2001 -- 13 times greater than the number of flu deaths! That same year, there were 4,269 deaths attributed to asthma, a condition some studies have linked to vaccines.


To rationalize this discrepancy between the true number of deaths caused by influenza every year (as documented in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports) and the outrageously exaggerated bogus number of flu deaths promoted by the CDC, officials claim that flu often leads to pneumonia and that many deaths from pneumonia are really deaths caused by flu. Apparently the CDC has a secret formula for estimating how many pneumonia deaths (officially listed in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports as deaths from pneumonia, not flu) are really deaths caused by flu. Adding to the confusion, influenza is caused by a virus; pneumonia is usually caused by bacteria. The CDC's own website takes great pains to emphasize their differences. More importantly, the CDC has a pneumonia vaccine. So why doesn't the CDC promote their pneumonia vaccine? In 2002, 65,231 people died from pneumonia; in 2001, 61,777 people died from pneumonia. If everyone took a pneumonia vaccine, especially the elderly and others most susceptible to the disease, wouldn't they be protected? Why is the CDC promoting a flu vaccine to protect against pneumonia, especially when one disease is caused by a virus and the other usually by bacteria? Also, how many people who died from pneumonia received a flu vaccine? How many received a pneumonia vaccine?

There are three main types of flu virus, and each type can mutate, or change, from year to year. Thus, there are literally thousands of possible strains. (Each strain is thoroughly analyzed and given a proper name, often a title associated with the place where it was initially discovered.) Every year health officials produce a new flu vaccine containing three mutated strains of flu virus. To determine which strains to use, officials travel to China at the beginning of the year to assess circulating flu viruses in that region of the world. They try to guess which strains will reach the United States by the end of the year. Production begins, and the new vaccine is usually available by October.

Flu "experts" often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu -- typical annual numbers.

In 2004, flu vaccine manufacturers were unable to produce enough flu shots to accommodate everyone who wanted a flu vaccine. (Several batches were contaminated and had to be destroyed.) Thus, only half of the population that is normally vaccinated against influenza (approximately 45 million people versus 90 million during an average year) received the vaccine. If influenza is truly a deadly disease, as officials claim, the 2004-2005 flu season should be catastrophic. If, as the CDC claims, 36,000 people die every year from the flu when 90 million people are vaccinated against the disease, how many more will die when only 45 million people are "protected?" I predict that flu fatalities will not increase. In fact, flu (and pneumonia?) fatalities may even decrease during this rare period when the American population is "under-vaccinated" against influenza.


Note: The article above was written in early 2005. On December 10, 2005, the British Medical Journal (http://thinktwice.com/BMJ_Flu.pdf) published a report acknowledging the veracity of this article by substantiating the claim that CDC flu death figures are completely bogus, hyper-inflated to scare the public and sell more flu vaccine.


http://thinktwice.com/flu_lie.htm

[lapis]

The Vaccine Liberation Army site just posted an article about the recent Special Master ruling in the Vaccine Court in favor of a young woman who got acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (“ADEM”) from the trivalent flu vaccine:

FLU SHOT CAUSED SERIOUS INJURY: MS. MURA (AGE 21) WINS COMPENSATION MAY, 2012
(http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/flu-shot-caused-serious-injury-ms-mura-age-21-wins-compensation-may-2012/)
Link (http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/12.pdf)to PDF file of ruling (ETA: Also posted on the U.S. Court of Federal Claims's site (http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/jessica-mura-v-secretary-health-and-human-services-08819v-0).)

She started getting symptoms four days after getting the flu vaccine.

The government's medical expert Dr. Ward tried to blame a previous viral illness for the symptoms, but she had been perfectly healthy up until the vaccine and hadn't gone to a doctor for any problems (however, I don't doubt that exposure to viruses in addition to other things like environmental toxins can weaken a person and make her even more susceptible to having a bad reaction to vaccine ingredients).

Her medical records indicate that her illness

progressed from a demyelinating disorder that began four days after she received the vaccination and progressed from her distal extremities to her spinal cord and brain. This disorder made Ms. Mura comatose, quadriplegic, incontinent of urine and feces, and she required mechanical ventilation, rendering her intellectually handicapped and subject to severe whole body neurogenic pain.

This is on page five of the ruling.

Dr. Ward admitted that although it's unusual for a case of ADEM to begin within 72 hours of vaccination there were "case reports to that effect."

But they sure don't tell you about that at CVS Pharmacy!

[mamboni]

The Vaccine Liberation Army site just posted an article about the recent Special Master ruling in the Vaccine Court in favor of a young woman who got acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (“ADEM”) from the trivalent flu vaccine:

FLU SHOT CAUSED SERIOUS INJURY: MS. MURA (AGE 21) WINS COMPENSATION MAY, 2012
(http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/flu-shot-caused-serious-injury-ms-mura-age-21-wins-compensation-may-2012/)
Link (http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/12.pdf)to PDF file of ruling (ETA: Also posted on the U.S. Court of Federal Claims's site (http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/jessica-mura-v-secretary-health-and-human-services-08819v-0).)

She started getting symptoms four days after getting the flu vaccine.

The government's medical expert Dr. Ward tried to blame a previous viral illness for the symptoms, but she had been perfectly healthy up until the vaccine and hadn't gone to a doctor for any problems (however, I don't doubt that exposure to viruses in addition to other things like environmental toxins can weaken a person and make her even more susceptible to having a bad reaction to vaccine ingredients).

Her medical records indicate that her illness

progressed from a demyelinating disorder that began four days after she received the vaccination and progressed from her distal extremities to her spinal cord and brain. This disorder made Ms. Mura comatose, quadriplegic, incontinent of urine and feces, and she required mechanical ventilation, rendering her intellectually handicapped and subject to severe whole body neurogenic pain.

This is on page five of the ruling.

Dr. Ward admitted that although it's unusual for a case of ADEM to begin within 72 hours of vaccination there were "case reports to that effect."

But they sure don't tell you about that at CVS Pharmacy!

Holy shit. Can you believe these bastards. They are emotionally detached sociopaths. Where is the guilt, the shame, the personal responsibility, the moral outrage? If I were cross-examing this toady, I would have asked "Unusual? So please tell us, what is the usual onset of ADEM after receiving a vaccine?"

[Old Herb Lady]

I just wanted to say it is VERY good to see mamboni on an anti-flu-vax-crusade. You go Doc ! Next he'll be hanging posters everywhere & distributing flyers & emailing FYI's !
WOW ! The Zios who want to try & force you into something against your will can't mess with someone who refuses to be messed with !

[sunshine05]

The thing is - the people who are pushing this are uninformed sheeple. The research is out there about vaccines if they would only take the time to inform themselves. I know they think they are doing a good thing by trying to protect others from getting the flu. That would be great IF the vaccine actually worked and IF there weren't so many additives in them that should never be injected into ones bloodstream.

Hatha - I always love your posts!

[Serpo]

Why order five? You could order one copy, and read it five times. :)

It may wear out that way

[Serpo]

We change the world by doing the right thing............no one else will bother........

[sunshine05]

Here's another good link to keep up with information on vaccines and the law.
http://www.nvic.org/

[Serpo]

Here's another good link to keep up with information on vaccines and the law.
http://www.nvic.org/

Turning Vaccine Exemption into Class Warfare (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/September-2012/Turning-Vaccine-Exemptions-Into-Class-Warfare.aspx)
It is getting uglier and uglier out there, as angry, frustrated doctors inside and outside of government work overtime to foster fear and hatred of parents making conscious vaccine choices for their children. The latest political dirty trick is to brand parents, who send their children to private schools, as selfish and a threat to their communities because some private schools have higher vaccine exemption rates...
Find a Compassionate Doctor to Help You Prevent Vaccine Injuries (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/Find-A-Compassionate-Doctor-To-Help-You--Prevent-V.aspx)
It is really up to parents to find a doctor they can trust, who will take the precautionary approach to giving more vaccines in the face of previous vaccine reactions, like seizures, especially if the child has symptoms of brain injury...
Merck Lawsuit Reignites Vaccine Safety Concerns (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/merck-lawsuit-reignites-vaccine-safety-concerns.aspx)
In 2010 two virologists, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, filed a lawsuit against their former employer and vaccine manufacturer Merck. The lawsuit, which was unsealed in late June, alleges that Merck defrauded the U.S. for over 10 years by overstating the MMR vaccine’s effectiveness...
Doctors Slam Parents for Vaccine Choices & FDA Licenses New Combo Vaccine (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/June-2012/doctors-slam-parents-for-vaccine-choices---fda-lic.aspx)
Public health doctors are slapping the label of “shot limiters” on parents giving their babies fewer vaccines. It has become fashionable in medical journals and media circles to demonize these parents, who engage in critical thinking about vaccination...
CA Bill Restricting Personal Belief Vaccine Exemption Heats Up (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/ca-bill-to-restrict-personal-belief-vaccine-exempt.aspx)
If this bill passes and parents do not obtain a signature from a designated doctor or medical care practitioner on the personal belief vaccine exemption form, the child will be barred from attending school...
NVAC: Parents Question Why Vaccinated Kids are Getting Pertussis (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/ca-bill-to-restrict-personal-belief-vaccine-exempt.aspx#NVAC)
During the Washington state report, Dr. DeBolt noted that one of Washington’s biggest challenges in this outbreak were parents questioning the pertussis vaccine’s efficacy. According to Dr. DeBolt the state has been “flooded by phone calls” from parents, stating that their child was up-to-date on pertussis vaccination and had still contracted pertussis...
Feds Poised to Expand Vaccine Injury Table (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/May-2012/Federal-Government-Poised-to-Expand-Vaccine-Injury.aspx)
The federal Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV) unanimously passed recommendations made by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) Report Task Force on Updating the Vaccine Injury Table...
Americans Fight for Vaccine Choice - Vermont Keeps Exemption! (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/May-2012/americans-fight-for-vaccine-choices.aspx)
The proliferation of new vaccines that have been added in the past 25 years to the government mandated child vaccination schedule, coupled with growing awareness that many highly vaccinated children are chronically ill, is powering the new citizen activism...
NVIC Opposes FDA Fast-Tracking of Vaccines (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/March-2012-%281%29/NVIC-Opposes-FDA-Fast-Tracking-of-Flu-Vaccine-Lice.aspx)
If FDA regulatory standards are too low, the informed public will question and resist using newly licensed vaccines...
Flu Shot Mandates for Health Care Workers Recommended by Feds and Passed in Colorado (http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/February-2012/Feds-Recommend-Flu-Shot-Mandates-for-Health-Care-W.aspx)
Adult influenza vaccine injury claims are the leading claim in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The Feds and the State of Colorado do not support flexible medical, religious and conscientious belief exemptions...

[midnight rambler]

Major study - no evidence of benefit/no value from flu vax - http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-10-05/no-value-in-any-influenza-vaccine-cochrane-collaboration-study/

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

You could always fake an egg allergy. No shot for those allergic to eggs.

[sirgonzo420]

I have a family member who ended up with Guillain-Barré after getting a flu shot.

They are in recovery still; having trouble getting around, but at least they didn't get the flu!

[osoab]

Hey Doc, is there any way you can find out if the board that runs your hospital is on the dole of the corporation that is delivering your batch of the flu vaccine?

I didn't see this angle posted. This is the first year, guessing from the op, that they have forced this issue. "Why now" is my thought.

[sunshine05]

http://www.anh-usa.org/flu-sho-forced-on-health-workers/

[mamboni]

Fighting this mandatory flu vaccine is worse than fighting the tide:

http://www.immunize.org/honor-roll/

After reading several papers, the risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome s/p flu vaccination is ~1-2 cases per million. I haven't found specific quality data on the other severe neurologic side-effects. CDC recommends vaccination of healthcare workers with direct patient contact; but it does not mandate or recommend a mandate. However, numerous professional societies in the link above are recommending mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers. My perusal of the medical literature says that flu vaccination has minimal effect on decreased sick days or serious illness. I can find only one study claiming decreased flu infection of patients associated with increased vaccination of health care providers, the cruxt of the entire argument for mandating vaccination:

Infect Control Hosp Epidemiol. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#) 2004 Nov;25(11):923-8.

Preventing nosocomial influenza by improving the vaccine acceptance rate of clinicians.

Salgado CD (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Salgado%20CD%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=15566025), Giannetta ET (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Giannetta%20ET%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=15566025), Hayden FG (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Hayden%20FG%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=15566025), Farr BM (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Farr%20BM%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=15566025).


Source

Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina 29425, USA.

Abstract

OBJECTIVES:

To assess the effects of interventions to prevent transmission of influenza and to increase employee compliance with influenza vaccination.


DESIGN:

The change in the proportion of hospitalized patients with laboratory-confirmed nosocomial influenza was observed over time and assessed using chi-square for trend analysis. The association between nosocomial influenza in patients and healthcare worker (HCW) compliance with vaccine was assessed by logistic regression.


SETTING:

A 600-bed, tertiary-care academic hospital.


METHODS:

After an outbreak of influenza A at this hospital in 1988, a mobile cart program was instituted with increased efforts to motivate employees to be vaccinated and furloughed when ill as well as new measures to prevent nosocomial spread.


RESULTS:

HCW vaccination rates increased from 4% in 1987-1988 to 67% in 1999-2000 (P < .0001). Proportions of nosocomially acquired influenza cases among employees or patients both declined significantly (P < .0001). Logistic regression analysis revealed a significant inverse association between HCW compliance with vaccination and the rate of nosocomial influenza among patients (P < .001).


CONCLUSION:

A mobile cart vaccination program and an increased emphasis on HCWs to receive the vaccine were associated with a significant increase in vaccine acceptance and a significant decrease in the rate of nosocomial influenza among patients.

PMID: 15566025 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[mamboni]

Major study - no evidence of benefit/no value from flu vax - http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-10-05/no-value-in-any-influenza-vaccine-cochrane-collaboration-study/


Yeah, I read that study, most of it. The problem is arguing that the marginal immunity provided to health care workers isn't worth the partial prevention of nosocomial infection (i.e. doctors vaccinated less likely to transmit flu to his patient, or so the theory goes). Unless one can demonstrate significant numbers of severe neurologic side effects of the vaccine it is hard to argue against the vaccination of healthcare workers.

[slowbell]

Mamboni, on the day they schedule to vaccinate you all, can you call in sick? That would be really funny, actually. Take a few days of rest, that flu shot day. :)

[mamboni]

JAMA. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#) 2012 Jul 11;308(2):175-81.
Risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome following H1N1 influenza vaccination in Quebec.De Wals P (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=De%20Wals%20P%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Deceuninck G (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Deceuninck%20G%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Toth E (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Toth%20E%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Boulianne N (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Boulianne%20N%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Brunet D (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Brunet%20D%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Boucher RM (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Boucher%20RM%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), Landry M (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=Landry%20M%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419), De Serres G (http://gold-silver.us/pubmed?term=De%20Serres%20G%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=22782419).
SourceDepartment of Social and Preventive Medicine, Laval University, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. Philippe.De.Wals@ssss.gouv.qc.ca

AbstractCONTEXT:In fall 2009 in Quebec, Canada, an immunization campaign was launched against the 2009 influenza A(H1N1) pandemic strain, mostly using an AS03 adjuvant vaccine. By the end of the year, 57% of the 7.8 million residents had been vaccinated.
OBJECTIVE:To assess the risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) following pandemic influenza vaccine administration.
DESIGN:Population-based cohort study with follow-up over the 6-month period October 2009 through March 2010. The investigation was ordered by the chief medical officer of health in accordance with the Quebec Public Health Act.
SETTING:All acute care hospitals and neurology clinics in Quebec.
POPULATION:Suspected and confirmed GBS cases reported by physicians, mostly neurologists, during active surveillance or identified in the provincial hospital summary discharge database. Medical records were reviewed and cases classified according to Brighton Collaboration definitions (categorized as level 1, 2, or 3, corresponding to criteria of decreasing certainty in diagnosis). Immunization status was verified and denominators were estimated from the provincial immunization registry (4.4 million vaccinated) and census data (total target population aged ≥6 months, 7.8 million), with a total of 3,623,046 person-years of observation.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:Relative and attributable risks were calculated using a Poisson model and the self-controlled case-series method.
RESULTS:Over a 6-month period, 83 confirmed GBS cases were identified, including 71 Brighton level 1 through 3 cases. Twenty-five confirmed cases had been vaccinated against 2009 influenza A(H1N1) 8 or fewer weeks before disease onset, with most (19/25) vaccinated 4 or fewer weeks before onset. In the Poisson model, the age- and sex-adjusted relative risk was 1.80 (95% CI, 1.12-2.87) for all confirmed cases during the 8-week postvaccination period and was 2.75 (95% CI, 1.63-4.62) during the 4-week postvaccination period. Using the self-controlled case-series method, relative risk estimates during the 4-week postvaccination period were 3.02 (95% CI, 1.64-5.56) for all confirmed cases (n = 42) and 2.33 (95% CI, 1.19-4.57) for Brighton level 1 through 3 cases (n = 36). The number of GBS cases attributable to vaccination was approximately 2 per 1 million doses. There was no indication of an excess risk in persons younger than 50 years.
CONCLUSIONS:In Quebec, the 2009 influenza A(H1N1) vaccine was associated with a small but significant risk of GBS. It is likely that the benefits of immunization outweigh the risks.

[mamboni]

Mamboni, on the day they schedule to vaccinate you all, can you call in sick? That would be really funny, actually. Take a few days of rest, that flu shot day. :)

They have multiple FREE-VACCINE days and fairs - there is no escaping it.

[ImaCannin]

Print out this form and have your DR. sign it before gives the shot!

http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/files/3638448/uploaded/Physicians-Warranty-of-Vaccine-Safety.pdf

Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety
I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____________ am a physician
licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________. My State license number is
______________, and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is
________________________. I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all
the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name)
___________________________, age _________, whom I have examined, I find that certain
risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk
factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________


I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers:

aluminum hydroxide aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate amphotericin B
calf (bovine) serum animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit
brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick
embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
betapropiolactone fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde formalin
gelatin glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from
human aborted fetal tissue) hydrolized gelatin
mercury thimerosol (thimerosal,
Merthiolate(r)) monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80 porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins sorbitol
tri(n)butylphosphate VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey
kidney cells
washed sheep red blood
and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. I
have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe
neurological and immunological damage, and find that they are not credible.
I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian
Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s
lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals.
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other
live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no
substantive risk to my patient.)
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name)
___________________________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies
(also known as “fetuses”).


In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that
the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.
STEPS TAKEN: __________________________________________________ ____________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am
recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.
The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A, attached hereto, — “Physician’s Bases
for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine
separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for
administration to a child under the age of 5 years.)
The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s
Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles
in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.”
The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my
opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles Contrary to
Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.”
The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in
Attachment D , attached hereto, — “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of
Adverse Scientific Opinions.”
Hepatitis B
I understand that 60 percent of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose
detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of
Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS,
there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1
year age group, with 47 deaths reported.
I understand that 50 percent of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after
exposure. I understand that 30 percent will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have
lifetime immunity. I understand that 20 percent will develop the symptoms of the disease, but
that 95 percent will fully recover and have lifetime immunity.

I understand that 5 percent of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become
chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75 percent of the chronic carriers will live with
an asymptomatic infection and that only 25 percent of the chronic carriers will develop chronic
liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following scientific
studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children
under the age of 5 years.
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk
factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and
have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D, attached hereto, “Non-vaccine
Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors” I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine
Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name)
__________________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which
I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual
capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international
treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this
document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is
__________________________________________________ ___, an attorney admitted to the
Bar in the State of __________________________________________________ ______.

______________________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)
_________________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)
Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. _____________________
Witness: ________________________________ Date: _____________________
Notary Public: ___________________________ Date: ______________________

[Serpo]

The vaccine empire has collapsed

Tuesday, October 09, 2012 by: Jon Rappoport


You may not have heard the explosion, but it happened.

A review from The Cochrane Collaboration, a widely respected research-analysis team, went over all the evidence, and entered its conclusion:

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

Boom!

It doesn't protect against transmission of flu viruses from person to person, either.

Boom!

So all the promotion and all the pandering and all the scare tactics and all the "expert medical opinion" and all the media coverage...useless, worthless, and irrelevant.

Billions of dollars of financed lies about flu vaccines were just that: lies.

It gets worse, because the entire theory about how and why vaccines work is sitting on a razor's edge, ready to fall into the abyss of discarded fairy tales.

We've been told that vaccines stimulate the immune system with a "rehearsal" of what will happen when an actual disease comes down the pipeline. When the disease does show up, the immune system will be locked and loaded, ready to destroy the attacking germ.

But since flu vaccines don't protect against flu or even stop the transmission of flu viruses from person to person, the so-called "rehearsing" of the immune system is merely somebody's fancy story. A legend. A myth.

Also, you can forget about the widely sold herd-immunity tale. How can the group be immune when vaccines are doing nothing to prevent the free movement of germs from person to person?

As always, The Cochrane Collaboration did an exhaustive review of all previous studies on flu vaccines they could discover. They rejected the studies that were badly constructed. In some cases, to expand available data, they contacted individual researchers who had conducted studies.

Therefore, Cochrane's findings represent the best of the published literature on flu vaccines. However, because the Cochrane team owes nothing to pharmaceutical companies, they analyzed the literature with sober eyes and minds.

Here is an interesting comment from the analysis: "The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions..."

Now who in the world would benefit from such manipulating?

Oh yes. One other thing.

The Cochrane review, published by John Wiley and Sons, appeared online on July 7, 2010.

Over two years ago.

We must have missed the massive mainstream media coverage. Perhaps we were fishing that day, or buying tires for the car, or vacationing on our yachts in the Mediterranean.

What? There was no massive media coverage? Impossible. I mean, surely...http://www.naturalnews.com/037471_vaccines_mythology_fairy_tale.html

[Katmandu]

Excellent site - many useful links there - thank you.

I cannot utilize the religious exemption as it were.

Here is an interview with Alan Phillips from the Vaccine Rights website that Sunshine05 mentioned. Religious exemptions are much broader than what many people think they are.

You can skip the first ~6 minutes without missing anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbn3NWMVLDc&feature=player_embedded#t=2114s

[mamboni]

Here is an interview with Alan Phillips from the Vaccine Rights website that Sunshine05 mentioned. Religious exemptions are much broader than what many people think they are.

You can skip the first ~6 minutes without missing anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbn3NWMVLDc&feature=player_embedded#t=2114s

A lot of words, no clear answers, uncertain outcome. Jeez, these lawyers will be the death of us all. I got a frickin' headache listening to this guy saying absolutely nothing concrete or actionable.

[Katmandu]

A lot of words, no clear answers, uncertain outcome. Jeez, these lawyers will be the death of us all. I got a frickin' headache listening to this guy saying absolutely nothing concrete or actionable.

I had the same irritation with the video. But I still did learn a thing or two, and was hoping there would be something in there that might be of use for others too.

[freespirit]

so mamboni, how long to V-day? have they established a deadline for you and the other doctors to have received your shot?

[mamboni]

so mamboni, how long to V-day? have they established a deadline for you and the other doctors to have received your shot?

No deadline spelled out. But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low. As to the question of taking the flu vaccine - I do not like being told that I have to do anything, especially when it impacts directly on my body. But, I cannot make a defensible case against the vaccine vis-a-vis the evidence. On a practical side, I am a private contractor. If I miss 3 days of work, the cost to me personally is in the thousands of dollars. Balance that against the flu vaccine likely reducing my chance of contracting flu by about half. From a business standpoint, the flu vaccine is a fair hedge against loss. Now there are those in the alternative media who claim that the vaccine has long term detrimental health effects (i.e. damaged immunity, increased risk of Alzheimer's disease etc.). I have investigated the peer-reviewed studies and cannot find the publications to back up these claims. The Cochrane report finds thst flu vaccine has little to no benefit to the population in general. But to the specific question of whether mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers is a net benefit vis-a-vis preventing nosocomial flu there is one paper, only one, that does show significant benefit in preventing infection of patients and reducing worker sick time. So if I try to fight the shot, I standing on empirical quicksand.

[freespirit]

No deadline spelled out. But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low. As to the question of taking the flu vaccine - I do not like being told that I have to do anything, especially when it impacts directly on my body. But, I cannot make a defensible case against the vaccine vis-a-vis the evidence. On a practical side, I am a private contractor. If I miss 3 days of work, the cost to me personally is in the thousands of dollars. Balance that against the flu vaccine likely reducing my chance of contracting flu by about half. From a business standpoint, the flu vaccine is a fair hedge against loss. Now there are those in the alternative media who claim that the vaccine has long term detrimental health effects (i.e. damaged immunity, increased risk of Alzheimer's disease etc.). I have investigated the peer-reviewed studies and cannot find the publications to back up these claims. The Cochrane report finds thst flu vaccine has little to no benefit to the population in general. But to the specific question of whether mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers is a net benefit vis-a-vis preventing nosocomial flu there is one paper, only one, that does show significant benefit in preventing infection of patients and reducing worker sick time. So if I try to fight the shot, I standing on empirical quicksand.

...well, at the end of the day each person's circumstances are different, and that's a lot of money to lose for a few days' work. imo, the important thing is to be able to make an informed decision, and it appears you have certainly done your homework. good luck to you, mamboni...let us know how it all plays out.

[EE_]

Take the shot and be done with it.
We can close this thread now. Thank you for your participation!

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[EE_]

Next subject:
It has come to my attention that older patients are being coerced into filling out a very invasive and personal questionaire in order to receive service. Two I know that refused it.
Does anyone have any info on this? Is a death panel being planned?

[Old Herb Lady]

Next subject:
It has come to my attention that older patients are being coerced into filling out a very invasive and personal questionaire in order to receive service. Two I know that refused it.
Does anyone have any info on this? Is a death panel being planned?

Eggscellent question ! (dumb humor-i know but the flu shot has eggs in it)

Well not everyone knows this, but this year is the WORST year EVER for HARASSMENT to seniors to get this NEW SPECIAL FLU SHOT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS
called Fluzone.

A little info here at linky:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/17/dangerous-new-ineffective-flu-vaccine-released-for-seniors.aspx

I have NEVER seen old people bugged & bugged sooo bad about getting a flu shot like this before.
As far as paperwork, I don't know because all the seniors I know---well they said No Thanks seeeee ya !

They want us poisoned & sick from cradle to grave. I look for life expectancy to drop to around 40-50 for the kids growing up today.

[midnight rambler]

Next subject:
It has come to my attention that older patients are being coerced into filling out a very invasive and personal questionaire in order to receive service. Two I know that refused it.
Does anyone have any info on this? Is a death panel being planned?

So, if one does not *completely* fill out the 'questionaire', then is one denied 'service'??


Is a death panel being planned?

Death panels are the foremost thought on the mind of any Communist.

[EE_]

[QUOTE]

Eggscellent question ! (dumb humor-i know but the flu shot has eggs in it)

Well not everyone knows this, but this year is the WORST year EVER for HARASSMENT to seniors to get this NEW SPECIAL FLU SHOT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS
called Fluzone.

A little info here at linky:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/17/dangerous-new-ineffective-flu-vaccine-released-for-seniors.aspx

I have NEVER seen old people bugged & bugged sooo bad about getting a flu shot like this before.
As far as paperwork, I don't know because all the seniors I know---well they said No Thanks seeeee ya !

They want us poisoned & sick from cradle to grave. I look for life expectancy to drop to around 40-50 for the kids growing up today.

Entitlement problem solved!

[EE_]

So, if one does not *completely* fill out the 'questionaire', then is one denied 'service'??

One of the two people I know was told they would deny service, yes. He refused and left without being treated.
I'm hoping to get my hands on one of these forms, to make them public.

[midnight rambler]

One of the two people I know was told they would deny service, yes. He refused and left without being treated.
I'm hoping to get my hands on one of these forms, to make them public.

So the Hippocratic Oath has become the Hypocritic Oath?

[Old Herb Lady]

One of the two people I know was told they would deny service, yes. He refused and left without being treated.
I'm hoping to get my hands on one of these forms, to make them public.

probably something like these:



https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9g3sB7T-gGkJ:www.walgreens.com/images/pdfs/flushot/Edit_VAR2.pdf+walgreens+flu+shot+registration+vacc ination+form&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgeJQujtXE2fLVeY97Wq2NnbVrB8kNm6tpMHI20 5qI8OvcfN4ayc-Q_L55gIcaA9NUbvHwojSjI0jFux34N8XQyUBo_Ja_Rru9zgJir sQLtnfouuAtB8nqfIIiiUiK3BI9CUhUO&sig=AHIEtbRtcrsaSAAvmeZNo25sNaCr1sdpDA



http://www.riteaid.com/www.riteaid.com/w-content/images/pharmacy/Flu_Shot_2012-2013_Consent_Form.pdf

Note on bottom: "I acknowledge that my vaccination record may be shared with federal or state agencies for registry reporting. "


somethings up & I have the heebie jeebies real bad ! What if they somehow majorly updated their tracking technology
and that's why this has been the BIGGEST push for flu vax EVER seen before ??

http://www.conspiracy.itgo.com/custom.html

[Neuro]

No deadline spelled out. But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low. As to the question of taking the flu vaccine - I do not like being told that I have to do anything, especially when it impacts directly on my body. But, I cannot make a defensible case against the vaccine vis-a-vis the evidence. On a practical side, I am a private contractor. If I miss 3 days of work, the cost to me personally is in the thousands of dollars. Balance that against the flu vaccine likely reducing my chance of contracting flu by about half. From a business standpoint, the flu vaccine is a fair hedge against loss. Now there are those in the alternative media who claim that the vaccine has long term detrimental health effects (i.e. damaged immunity, increased risk of Alzheimer's disease etc.). I have investigated the peer-reviewed studies and cannot find the publications to back up these claims. The Cochrane report finds thst flu vaccine has little to no benefit to the population in general. But to the specific question of whether mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers is a net benefit vis-a-vis preventing nosocomial flu there is one paper, only one, that does show significant benefit in preventing infection of patients and reducing worker sick time. So if I try to fight the shot, I standing on empirical quicksand.
So roll up the shirt and take the quicksilver? Well, if you think that is better for you...

[JohnQPublic]

So the Hippocratic Oath has become the Hypocritic Oath?

That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.

[mamboni]

That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.

Yep. Who can argue with this statement, except for the perveyors of the death cult.

[Hatha Sunahara]

http://www.anh-usa.org/flu-sho-forced-on-health-workers/


Far safer choices exist to keep people from catching the flu—the most important of which is to ensure an adequate level of vitamin D (http://www.anh-usa.org/about-vitamin-d/) in your system. Even so, mainstream medicine, the mass media, and federal and local governments all push the flu vaccine as if it is humanity’s last, best hope.

Recently, i read about new 'research' that told me that Vitamin D has no effect on people at all. I didn't connect this new 'researrch' with the 'vaccine indistry' trying to squash alternatives. Where I had uncertainty about the effectiveness of Vitamin D, this deliberate slam on it by the vaccine industry gives me great confidence that it is an effective safeguard against the flu, and that I should avoid flu shots at all cost.


Hatha

[sirgonzo420]

So roll up the shirt and take the quicksilver? Well, if you think that is better for you...



That started when the AMA endorsed abortion.


You two gentlemen saved me two posts that I would have made virtually verbatim.

Instead, I consolidated and made this one post.

Kudos.

[DMac]

No deadline spelled out. But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low. As to the question of taking the flu vaccine - I do not like being told that I have to do anything, especially when it impacts directly on my body. But, I cannot make a defensible case against the vaccine vis-a-vis the evidence. On a practical side, I am a private contractor. If I miss 3 days of work, the cost to me personally is in the thousands of dollars. Balance that against the flu vaccine likely reducing my chance of contracting flu by about half. From a business standpoint, the flu vaccine is a fair hedge against loss. Now there are those in the alternative media who claim that the vaccine has long term detrimental health effects (i.e. damaged immunity, increased risk of Alzheimer's disease etc.). I have investigated the peer-reviewed studies and cannot find the publications to back up these claims. The Cochrane report finds thst flu vaccine has little to no benefit to the population in general. But to the specific question of whether mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers is a net benefit vis-a-vis preventing nosocomial flu there is one paper, only one, that does show significant benefit in preventing infection of patients and reducing worker sick time. So if I try to fight the shot, I standing on empirical quicksand.

So after all this bellyaching you're going to just shut up and take the shot?

[mamboni]

So after all this bellyaching you're going to just shut up and take the shot?

Bellyaching? Is is bellyaching to question an order, investigate the pros and cons, and discover that the consequences of acquiescences are acceptable vis-a-vis risks versus benefits. According to you, I should throw my entire medical career and livelihood away and refuse to take the flu shot, even though my review of the peer-reviewed medical literature does not disclose any compelling reason not to? Unlike you, I do not have luxury of simply saying no without severe and longstanding negative consequences. I would hardly call my conduct bellyaching. It's actually called riak-benefit analysis. And in the real world, it's usually the only tool one has to make a lesser-of-two-evils choice.

[EE_]

You know more vaccines are on the way...how many will you take?

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Vaccines: Get the Full Story Doctors, Nurses and Scientists on Protecting Your Child and Yourself

Nicola Antonucci, MD
Todd M. Elsner, DC
Alexander Kotok, MD, PhD
Máximo Sandín, PhD
David Ayoub, MD
Jorge Esteves, MD
Eneko Landaburu, MD
Len Saputo, MD
Nancy Turner Banks, MD
Edward "Ted" Fogarty, MD
Luc Lemaire, DC
Michael Schachter, MD
Timur Baruti, MD
Jack Forbush, DO
Janet Levatin, MD
Viera Scheibner, PhD
Danny Beard, DC
Milani Gabriele, CRNA, RN
Thomas Levy, MD, JD
Penelope Shar, MD
Françoise Berthoud, MD
Sheila Gibson, MD, BSc
Stephen L'Hommedieu, DC
Bruce Shelton, MD, MD(H)
Russell Blaylock, MD
Mike Godfrey, MBBS
Paul Maher, MD, MPH
Debbi Silverman, MD
Fred Bloem, MD
Isaac Golden, ND
Andrew Maniotis, PhD
Kenneth “KP” Stoller, MD
Laura Bridgman, FNP, ND
Gary Goldman, PhD
Steve Marini, PhD, DC
Terri Su, MD
Kelly Brogan, MD
Garry Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H)
Juan Manuel Martínez Méndez, MD
Didier Tarte, MD
Sarah Buckley, MD
Doug Graham, DC
Sue McIntosh, MD
Leigh Ann Tatnall, RN
Rashid Buttar, DO
Boyd Haley, PhD
Richard Moskowitz, MD
Adiel Tel‐Oren, MD, DC
Harold Buttram, MD
Gayl Hamilton, MD
Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
Sherri Tenpenny, DO
Lisa Cantrell, RN
Linda Hegstrand, MD, PhD
Christiane Northrup, MD
Renee Tocco, DC
Lua Català Ferrer, MD
James Howenstine, MD
Amber Passini, MD
Demetra Vagias, MD, ND
Jennifer Craig, PhD, BSN, MA
Suzanne Humphries, MD
Ronald Peters, MD, MPH
Franco Verzella, MD
Robert Davidson, MD, PhD
Belén Igual Diaz, MD
Jean Pilette, MD
Julian Whitaker, MD
Ana de Leo, MD
Philip Incao, MD
Pat Rattigan, ND
Ronald Whitmont, MD
Carlos de Quero Kops, MD
Joyce Johnson, ND
Zoltan Rona, MD, MSc
Betty Wood, MD
Carolyn Dean, MD, ND
A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM
Chaim Rosenthal, MD
Eduardo Ángel Yahbes, MD
Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH
Tedd Koren, DC
Robert Rowen, MD

The above signatories represent a spectrum that includes pediatricians, family physicians, brain surgeons, and professors of pathology, chemistry, biology and immunology. All have independently researched the real science and have come to the conclusions you will read about in this document. MD, DO, MB, MBBCh all indicate a doctor of medicine. ND indicates a medically trained and licensed doctor in some areas. FNP indicates a family nurse practitioner.
Ever wonder why doctors can’t find the cause for many diseases? It’s because they are conditioned to ignore the relationship between illness and vaccines. These are some of the diseases that have documented associations with vaccines:
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Allergies and eczema
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Arthritis
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Asthma 1
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Autism
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Acid reflux requiring an infant to take proton pump inhibitors, which have many side effects
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Cancer
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Diabetes (infant and childhood)
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Kidney disease
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Miscarriages
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Long list of neurological and autoimmune diseases
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Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
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And many, many more
These are some known vaccine side effects, documented in medical literature and/or in package inserts:
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Arthritis, bleeding disorders, blood clots, heart attacks, sepsis
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Ear infections
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Fainting (with reports of broken bones)
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Kidney failure requiring dialysis
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Seizures/epilepsy
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Severe allergic reactions, such as hives and anaphylaxis
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Sudden death
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Many common diagnoses given for hospital admissions.
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The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, (NVICP) has awarded more than $1.2 billion in damages to children and adults injured by vaccines.
Autism is associated with vaccines.
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Autism was rare until the mass vaccination programs were accelerated in 1991, with the introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB (meningitis) vaccine. Tens of thousands of parents will attest that autism appeared in their children very soon after they were given these, and other, vaccines.
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Study the information on the website www.fourteenstudies.org. You will find the studies denying the association between autism and vaccines to be highly questionable.
Drug companies, insurance companies and the medical system get rich when you get sick.
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Vaccines do not give life‐long immunity, which means booster shots are recommended.
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Each booster shot increases the risk of more side effects.
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Vaccine side effects can make you sick for the rest of your life. Conveniently, there are many drugs to treat the side effects caused by vaccines.
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In the U.S., neither drug companies nor doctors can be sued when something bad happens from a vaccination. Both are protected by the 1986 National Child Vaccine Injury Act. This law, signed into effect by then‐president Ronald Reagan decreed: “No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine‐related injury or death.” (Public Law 99‐660)
Many doctors and health‐care practitioners do not get vaccinated and do not vaccinate their children. Why not?
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They know vaccines are not proven to be safe or effective.
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They know vaccines contain dangerous substances.
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They know vaccines cause serious health problems.
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They have treated patients with serious side effects from vaccines.
The only people who benefit from being healthy are you and those you care about.
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Drug companies have infiltrated and seized control over the entire healthcare system, including medical schools, medical journals, hospitals, clinics and the local pharmacy. A doctor’s very livelihood thus depends on blind faith, without questioning any aspect of any vaccination. Even when obvious evidence of vaccine damage occurs right before a doctor’s eyes, s/he is usually unwilling to consider a vaccine as the cause. Though uncorrupt science and medicine support rejection of vaccines, doing so can be considered professional career suicide. The signatories to this document boldly risk this end for the safety of you and your child.
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Hospitals benefit financially from hospitalizations and tests.
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Drug companies make billions of dollars from vaccines.
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Drug companies make tens of billions of dollars from drugs given to treat side effects and life‐time illnesses caused by vaccines.
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Vaccines are the backbone of the medical system. Without vaccines, healthcare costs would go down because we would have a healthier overall society. We have exchanged chicken pox for autism, flu for asthma, ear infections for diabetes. The list goes on and on. In the zeal to eliminate a short list of relatively benign microbes, we have traded temporary illnesses for pervasive, life‐long diseases, disorders, dysfunctions and disabilities.
How many vaccines are there?
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If U.S. children receive all doses of all vaccines, they are injected with up to 35 shots that contain 113 different kinds of disease particles, 59 different chemicals, four types of animal cells/DNA, human DNA from aborted fetal tissue and human albumin.
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If you think you don’t have to worry about vaccines because your children are older, think again. There are at least 20 more vaccines currently in the development pipeline for release in the next few years, mostly targeting adolescents and adults.
Some Vaccine Ingredients: How is it possible that vaccines will not be harmful to your health?
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Stray viruses and bacteria from the animal cell cultures that vaccines are made in.
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Mercury, a well‐documented neurotoxin, is still in the multi‐dose flu vaccines throughout the world. Trace amounts remain in several other vaccines.
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Aluminum, a poison that can cause bone, bone marrow and brain degeneration.
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Animal cells from monkeys, dog kidneys, chickens, cows, and humans.
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Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), a known carcinogen.
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Polysorbate 80, known to cause infertility in female mice and testicular atrophy in male mice.
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Gelatin, from pigs and cows, known to cause anaphylactic reactions, is found in large quantities in the MMR, chickenpox and shingles vaccines.
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Monosodium glutamate (MSG) in inhaled flu vaccines, is known to cause metabolic disturbances (e.g. diabetes), seizures and other neurologic disorders.

Conflicts of Interest
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The same people who make rules and recommendations about vaccination profit from vaccine sales. For example, Dr. Julie Gerberding, who was in charge of the CDC for eight years, is now the President of Merck Vaccines. Dr. Paul Offit, a member of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice(ACIP), developed and patented his own vaccine.
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According to the CDC, the average U.S. 10‐doctor pediatric group has over $100,000 of vaccine inventory in their office to sell. These doctors make money from office visits and from giving your children vaccines, and also from follow up office visits for assessing reactions.
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U.S. pediatricians reportedly make quarterly bonuses from the HMOs they work for by maintaining high vaccination rates in their practices and have reportedly been reprimanded by insurance companies if their vaccination rates fall.
Is there any research that shows the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated children? The Cal‐Oregon project sponsored by Generation Rescue surveyed parents of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated U.S. children. Of the 17,674 children included in the survey, the results showed:
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Vaccinated children had 120% more asthma.
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Vaccinated boys had 317% more ADHD.
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Vaccinated boys had 185% more neurologic disorders.
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Vaccinated boys had 146% more autism.
Girls represented only 20% of the total number of children in the survey. To read the full study for yourself, go to www.generationrescue.org/pdf/survey.pdf. To read a report on the low incidence of autism among unvaccinated Amish children go to http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/quick‐compare‐2. More studies on autism are found here http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/japvaxautism/ and here http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/britvaxautism/
Vaccine Exemptions in the U.S.
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You do have the right to refuse. Use it.
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Your child does not have to be vaccinated to attend public school.
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Every state has exemptions giving you the right to refuse unwanted vaccines. http://exemptmychild.com/10752
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Find a healthcare provider who agrees with your choice to not vaccinate and will respect you at www.vaccinationcouncil.org/providers.pdf
Many choose health and safety by saying no to vaccines.
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Groups that generally do not vaccinate include holistic practitioners, chiropractors, parents who home school, and those who belong to certain religions.
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Thousands of testimonies written by parents of non‐vaccinated children about the state of their children’s robust health are available many places online.
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Vaccination decisions are between you and your spouse/partner. No one else needs to know. It is not the business of your family members, your neighbors, or your in‐laws.
To have vibrant health, you will need to take the initiative to learn some new things.

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The safe choice is to say no to vaccines. You have control over health choices you make for yourself and your children. You have no control over the outcome of a vaccination.
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You do not need a pediatrician to simply weigh and measure your child and give shots. Consider a naturopathic doctor, a pediatric chiropractor, a doctor of oriental medicine, or a homeopathic doctor. You may find that family doctors of osteopathic medicine are more open‐minded about vaccine‐free choices.
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Babies are born with powerful, natural defenses. If this were not so, all would die shortly after birth. Enormous cascades of complex immune processes start with the first cry. This needs to occur naturally, without the interruption caused by the injections of toxic substances.
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Learn about the “vaccine preventable” diseases. Your children will never come in contact with most of them and if they do, nearly all healthy and unvaccinated children recover uneventfully, with long term immunity. Health cannot come through a needle.
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Learn about the importance of fever, how to take care of it at home and when it is time to call the doctor. Most fevers resolve on their own, with care and support, in just a few hours. www.drtenpenny.com/fever.aspx
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Understand that your child can be vaccinated and still contract the illness you are wishing to prevent. Vaccines may not provide the protection that people assume they do. Health cannot come through a needle.
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Learn that the primary keys to health are good nutrition, pure water, adequate sleep, routine exercise and happiness.
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Learn some simple information about vitamins, especially the critically important information about vitamin D3. Learn how to use basic herbs and basic homeopathy for health and for addressing minor illnesses.
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Learn more than your doctor about vaccines. Your medical doctor has probably never read anything about vaccines except drug‐company and CDC‐sponsored publications that support their use.
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Know that healthcare is something you pay for; sick care is covered by insurance. Your insurance will pay for drugs and vaccines.
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Budget accordingly to stay healthy. Your life depends on it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/SpecialReports/VaccinesFullStory/v1/VaccineReport-EN.pdf

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Mamboni,
I don't even pretend to walk in your league. However, Dr. Mercola with whom I have no doubt you are acquainted with as a modern medical practictioner (OD/Surgeon) has posted the following this day, re: CHILDREN and Vaccinations.

Complete with 2 vids.

I'm hopeful you will feel further informed as you pursue your scholarly and personal journey into this conundrum which is personal SHTF territory for you.

I know you are not a child, and this is focused on parent's w/children POV. However, we're all connected in this world, medically as well as socially.

Have you heard of this Dr. Palevsky, a board certified peds man?
Or this Barbara Loe Fisher speaker, Pres. National Cntr for Vaccine Safety?

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Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Palevsky

October 06 2012









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Download Interview Transcript (http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-DrPalevsky.pdf)
To View the Full Dr. Palevsky Interview, please click HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4bGWvFcsE)!
By Dr. Mercola


Dr. Lawrence Palevsky is a board-certified pediatrician who uses a holistic approach to children, wellness, and illness by incorporating nutritional science, environmental medicine, chiropractic, osteopathy, and other natural healing modalities in his pediatric office in New York.

He has also worked in pediatric emergency medicine, pediatric & neonatal intensive care medicine, and in-patient pediatric medicine.

He is one of the leading pediatricians in the United States that advocates a more conservative approach to using vaccines.

I first interviewed Dr. Palevsky back in 2009 (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/expert-pediatrician-exposes-vaccine-myths.aspx) and am now happy to share our most recent discussion, which covers some incredibly important information for parents and pediatricians alike.



Questions We Should All be Asking…
Dr. Palevsky started out in the conventional medical field as an ER physician, then went on to become an ICU doctor, working in neonatal intensive care. As he gained experience, he realized there were "questions that I didn't have answers for," which drove his curiosity and pushed him to explore Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbology, and other philosophies and healing modalities to use with his patients.

A major turning point came for him in 1991, when New York state passed a law mandating that every newborn get a hepatitis B vaccine. Dr. Palevsky continued:
"It was the first time that I saw vaccines being used for a disease that really wasn't present in the newborn or infant population. All the other vaccines that I had learned about came on the heels of a massive wipeout of disease of different populations. The vaccine was developed after the disease had occurred, but this was one of those preemptive strikes.

It made no sense to me that we were vaccinating a population that really had little to no risk of having a disease. I started to wonder what was really going on…"


Several years later, a patient's mother brought up the fact that there was mercury in vaccines, which he wasn't aware of. This, too, prompted Dr. Palevsky to wonder what else is in vaccines, and as he started to explore package inserts, the manufacturing process and the adverse effects of vaccines, he realized there was much more information to learn than what he had been taught in medical school (which was that vaccines are safe and effective, end of story).

He said:
"I did not turn my back when I heard parent after parent – in the dozens, in the hundreds, and then in the thousands – start to say that their children were fine, then they got vaccinated, and then something really bad happened to them acutely or within days, weeks, or even months. Those parents were told 100 percent of the time by the conventional medical system, 'It's a coincidence. It couldn't possibly be related to the vaccine.'

As a person who's curious about science and questioning, it became obvious to me that there may not be a coincidence here and that something more may be going on.

The literature is pretty supportive of the fact that vaccines have much greater adverse outcomes on the genotype of the body, the immune system of the body, the brain of the body, and the intracellular functions of the body than we are willing to tell the public about."




Proper Vaccine Safety Studies Have Not Been Conducted
Vaccine proponents have stated that there are over 20,000 studies that "prove" the safety of vaccines. But a closer inspection of those studies would likely reveal otherwise. Dr. Palevsky explained:
"…in order for us to really delve into those studies, we have to look at who supported the studies. What was the study design? What were the control groups? How big was the actual number of kids or adults that was used in those studies? I think we will see that in most of those studies, the actual safety has never really been proven.

One of the reasons that I think we can fairly say that is that the vaccine manufacturers and the conventional medical organizations have not done studies that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children. In order for us to really know if children who were vaccinated are having an adverse effect from a vaccine, we have to use a placebo group that's given an injection of maybe normal saline to evaluate whether or not they developed the same symptoms that children who were vaccinated may develop after they're injected with the vaccine.

Those studies are not done. They're not done because the conventional medical system says it's unethical to leave kids unvaccinated for any length of time. But, most of the vaccine safety studies that are being done last anywhere between one and four weeks anyway. The kids are followed within those one to four weeks. Then, they're not followed in a very detailed way to recognize whether any of their health outcomes could be related to the vaccine that they got one to four weeks ago.

What ends up happening is they compare the incidence rates of these vaccine reactions or these symptoms that kids get after they're vaccinated to how often those symptoms are seen in the general population, to check and see if this vaccinated group is in any way getting an increased incidence of these symptoms than the general population would get. But the fact of the matter is that the general population is vaccinated, so they're comparing a vaccinated group with a vaccinated group."


On top of that, the studies are not nearly long enough to show what the long-term implications of vaccinations might be.
"…they are not following children long enough to know whether in three months, six months, three years, six years, or 10 years, there could be some autoimmune antibody or some immune challenge that happens to the body that lingers or that just sits there as a genotypic effect. There's a change in the genetics, there's a change in the DNA, that doesn't necessarily manifest itself until years later because of other stressors, perhaps even from another vaccine that comes years later," Dr. Palevsky said.
None of those studies have been done, so I don't know how you can say that vaccines are safe.

…We're not looking at the micro-molecular levels to see, 'Okay, was there an autoimmune antibody produced? Were there other inflammatory markers produced? Where did those markers manifest? Did they stay in the body? Did they manifest into clinical symptoms? How are they relevant?' None of that science is being done. But we're just saying that vaccines are safe, because we've been doing it for so long. And anyone with a good scientific mind would say that's not adequate."




The World Isn't Flat…
There are increasing reports of pediatricians ostracizing patients that disagree with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) one-size-fits-all vaccination schedule. Some pediatricians will even resist answering your vaccination questions or concerns, or "fire" you as a patient and tell you to seek care elsewhere.

While most pediatricians enter the profession because they have an enduring love for children, many also firmly, and somewhat blindly, believe that there's no room for questions or disagreement regarding vaccinations. They, unfortunately, have not followed the path that Dr. Palevsky, myself and many other physicians have taken in seeking to look beneath the surface at the deeper issues.

Dr. Palevsky continued:
"These adherents are the same people that said the world was flat. This is the big problem, because the world isn't flat. Science evolves. What parents are finding, some physicians are finding, what a lot of scientists are finding is that the science is changing, that science is growing. It's growing to actually show things that we thought we knew are no longer as valid. 'The world was flat' was a very hard concept to accept, until 'The world was round.' I think that's the same thing that we're dealing with here.

That's why parents are being fired from their pediatrician's office: because the world is flat, and there is no possibility that the world could be round. I feel for these families, especially in areas where there are very few physicians for them to go to and to have care for their children."




A "Novel" Idea: You May be Better Off Getting Some Diseases in Childhood
The issue of vaccines potentially causing adverse reactions in the body is one issue. Another, often-overlooked, one is that some of the diseases vaccines are used to prevent may actually have a place in childhood – and may ultimately be beneficial for the child's future health.

Dr. Palevsky explained:
"…many of the illnesses that we vaccinate against are actually important illnesses for children so that their immune systems, nervous systems, and brains mature. I learned this back in the 1980s when I was a medical student being taught by physicians who practiced pediatrics in New York since the 1940s. What they said was that the kids in their practice who would get their measles, mumps, chicken pox, rubella, and flu illnesses, if they were left to their own devices, not medicated, and just left to be supported through their illness, after the illness was over, the physician always saw a developmental growth spurt.

What it speaks to is an understanding of virology, why viruses actually exist, and what they actually do in the body. They're meant to actually help protect the host, to clean the body out of waste, and to remove obstacles for optimal cellular function. This is what we're supposed to learn in medical school, but don't necessarily.

There are so many ways to support a child through many of these childhood viral illnesses… Many of them or most of them are actually pretty benign. They may not be benign in areas of the world where there's poverty, poor nutrition, poor sanitation, and war, which means that the conditions are not viable for optimal healing. But in a community of the United States where optimal healing is pretty reachable and pretty obtainable, most of these diseases are pretty benign."


The measles is a classic example, as in many cases it causes fever, runny nose, cough and rash, but clears up in a few days without serious consequences. In rare cases, however, measles can lead to encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) that can be serious and lead to deafness or retardation… and this was the impetus for developing the measles vaccine.

But as Dr. Palevsky explained, what actually happened was that cases of encephalitis increased dramatically after the vaccine was introduced:
"…When it was said that the reason the measles vaccine was implemented in 1963 was to prevent against the massive cases of encephalitis that occurred as a result of slow viral re-ignition of a measles infection months or years later, I went into CDC. I looked it up to see what was the incidence of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis or SSPE.

It showed that it was .0061 percent. There was .0061 percent incidence rate of encephalitis after measles infection. Well, that's not a massive number of cases of measles encephalitis.

But now, we have one in 88 children with autism, and it is pretty well documented in the literature that one of the hallmark pathologies in autism is brain encephalitis or brain inflammation.

One in 88 is 1.14 percent brain inflammation or 1.14 percent encephalitis. We've now gone from a .0061 percent encephalitis after measles infection to a 1.14 percent encephalitis rate in children.

Now, I don't know how much measles vaccine plays a role in that, but we have more cases of brain encephalitis after vaccination than we had before we started the measles vaccine. So, how successful are we in reducing some of the bad side effects of the diseases?"




What to Do if Your Child Has a Viral Illness
If your child does get sick, your first inclination may be to go the emergency room. This should be done immediately if your child is:


Not alert, responsive or interactive
Has a change in mental status
Has a change in urine output
Not breathing
Skin color is gray or blue
Limp or lethargic
Under 3 months old with a fever


If these signs are not present, and your child is stable, Dr. Palevsky suggests the following:
"…one of the most important things that a parent can do is to stay with the child, so that they can monitor the progression. This is because things can change immediately… stay with the child. If the child is breastfeeding, breastfeed the child. If the child is not breastfeeding, hydrate. The best thing you can do for a child who's sick is to hydrate with either room temperature water or broths. If they eat chicken, a chicken broth. Again, nothing that's too strenuous.

I believe in what's called a starvation diet for kids when they're sick. Mostly because they're in such a state of stress that blood flow to the gut is diminished during a state of stress. Therefore, digestion is less efficient in their bodies.

Really keeping the food to a minimum – almost starvation. Really keeping it to broths, teas, soups, clear liquids, and observe. You want to keep the hydration going, open up the kidneys, allow for the flushing of fluids, and put them in warm baths, which will help to relax them and which will encourage bowel movements, which again is another way to get rid of wastes. Most of the reason that kids get sick is to move or get rid of wastes anyway.

The idea is to not put more waste in. You don't want to overfeed them. You don't want to over-stimulate them. You want to keep them in a room that's darker, that has less noise, less sound, and less visual input. You want to really lower the amount of information and activity that's feeding the nervous system and that's feeding the digestive system. And you watch. You continue to watch. You stay with the child. Studies will show that if the parent actually holds the child and breathes with the child, the child's breathing pattern will synchronize with the parent, and healing will occur faster.

…It's really a matter of supportive care, and this is old school. I mean, this is the way in which the pediatricians who taught me took care of their families in the 40s and 50s. They would sit next to the bedside of kids in their homes when the kids were sick. Obviously, physicians can't do that as much, but the parents can. And there are ways to stay in touch with the physician to make sure that things are going properly.

But families in my practice will see shorter durations of fever, shorter durations of illness, if they don't interfere with the body's physiology to get rid of the wastes from that illness, and if they don't overfeed the children, and keep things quiet."




How Can You Legally Opt Out of Vaccines?

Click on link for Religious Exemption video interview by Mercola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU9AGQF-4r8&feature=player_embedded#t=17s


Download Interview Transcript w_Barbara Loe Fisher (http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/InterviewBarbLoeFisher-ReligiousExemptions.pdf)

All 50 states have enacted vaccine laws that require proof children have received certain vaccines in order to attend daycare, middle school, high school and college. However, in most states citizens currently have the legal right to opt out of using vaccines.

All 50 states allow a medical exemption to vaccination (medical exemptions must be approved by an M.D. or D.O.); 48 states allow a religious exemption to vaccination; and 17 states allow a personal, philosophical or conscientious belief exemption to vaccination.

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) recently completed a review of all state laws, so for more detailed information, please see the NVIC State Law & Vaccine Requirements (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx)page. However, also be aware that vaccine exemptions are currently under attack in every state because the wealthy and powerful Pharma/Medical Industry lobby is trying to take them away, especially the religious and philosophical or conscientious belief exemptions.

In the video above, Barbara Loe Fisher explains tips for opting out using the religious exemption, and Dr. Palevsky shared his advice as well:
"Every state in the United States has a medical exemption on the books, but the physician actually has to be willing to admit that what the child developed was related to the actual vaccination. If the physician writes that medical exemption, it may not exempt the child from other vaccines, because the physician may not be willing or capable of extrapolating that other vaccines might have similar effects being that that one vaccine or that set of vaccines had those effects.

It can be very difficult… Many times those exemptions are being rejected, because somebody in the state – who never saw the kid, who only has an opinion, and may not even know the literature completely – is going to reject it.

…There are about 19 or 20 states in the United States that have a philosophical exemption. What that philosophical exemption means is that the family has a conscientious belief that this is not a safe injection for my child…

Then there's the religious exemption. The religious exemption is on the books in 48 states. West Virginia and Mississippi are the two states in the union that do not have a religious exemption as well as the philosophical exemption.

But the religious exemption is coming under increasing attack in different states around the country, because people are being challenged about their religious exemption. They're being challenged about the sincerity and the genuineness of their personal religious beliefs. The parents in this country are not necessarily made aware that they have a philosophical exemption in 19 or 20 states and a religious exemption in 48 states to not get their kids vaccinated.

Then what happens when people are told that they have this option, they'll often say, 'But I'm not religious.' The thing is that the religious exemption – as I understand it – is not about belonging to a specific religion. It's more about your beliefs between you and your higher power – God, Buddha, Allah, you know, whatever higher power each person has. It's a way for people to come to their spiritual beliefs that the injection of these materials would be a desecration of what their higher power has created. And it is against their spiritual or religious belief to desecrate that which their higher power has created.

That's really the lines upon which the religious exemption should be used. Again, I've had families who actually came to their religious exemption through an understanding of the problems and the literature. They did their soul searching and their spiritual searching and found that, in fact, they now have this new belief that they didn't have before. That's what's available for parents in this country."




Joining the Critical Mass for Change
What we currently have is a one-sided policy; a single way of thinking that makes constructive and meaningful debate virtually impossible. Science is truly a field where you ask a question, you find an answer, and you make an ongoing effort to eliminate biases that could shed more light on the reality you are trying to reveal. We are not seeing that with vaccines.

Because the proper safety studies simply have not been performed, and there are many unanswered questions about vaccines' impact on a growing number of serious health conditions, you might be questioning their use yourself.

If so, you can have an open and honest conversation with your physician about your concerns. In both my and Dr. Palevsky's cases, it was a patient who first broached the topic that there could be more to the story. And if enough people speak up, we can reach a critical mass of the population that will prompt real change.

If your physician is not open to change, resources for finding a more supportive physician, and learning more about vaccination choice in general, include:



www.DrPalevsky.com (http://www.drpalevsky.com/), and his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawrence-B-Palevsky-MD/110703415650945)
The National Vaccine Information Center (http://www.NVICAdvocacy.org)
Physicians practicing Chinese medicine, chiropractic, naturopathy, osteopathy, and homeopathy
Inquire at your local health food store or talk to like-minded parents





Think Globally, Act Locally
While it seems "old-fashioned," one of the most effective actions you can take to protect the right to informed consent to vaccination and expand your rights under the law to make voluntary vaccine choices, is to get personally involved with your state legislators and the leaders in your community.

Mass vaccination policies are made at the federal level but vaccine laws are made at the state level, and it is at the state level where your action to protect your vaccine choice rights will have the greatest impact.

Signing up to be a user of NVIC's free online Advocacy Portal at www.NVICAdvocacy.org (http://www.nvicadvocacy.org/) gives you access to practical, useful information to help you become an effective vaccine choice advocate in your own community.

You will get real-time Action Alerts about what you can do if there are threats to vaccine exemptions in your state. With the click of a mouse or one touch on a Smartphone screen you will be put in touch with YOUR elected representatives so you can let them know how you feel and what you want them to do. Plus, when national vaccine issues come up, you will have all the information you need to make sure your voice is heard.

So please, as your first step, sign up for the NVIC Advocacy Portal (http://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx).



Internet Resources
I also encourage you to visit the following web pages on the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) website at www.NVIC.org (http://www.nvic.org/):


NVIC Memorial for Vaccine Victims (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Memorial.aspx): View descriptions and photos of children and adults, who have suffered vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths. If you or your child experiences an adverse vaccine event, please consider posting and sharing your story here.
If You Vaccinate, Ask 8 Questions (http://www.nvic.org/Ask-Eight-Questions.aspx): Learn how to recognize vaccine reaction symptoms and prevent vaccine injuries.
Vaccine Freedom Wall (http://www.nvic.org/Forms/Cry-For-Vaccine-Freedom-Wall.aspx): View or post descriptions of harassment by doctors or state officials for making independent vaccine choices.

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Next subject:
It has come to my attention that older patients are being coerced into filling out a very invasive and personal questionaire in order to receive service. Two I know that refused it.
Does anyone have any info on this? Is a death panel being planned?


3,000 doctors putting patients on 'death lists' that single them out to be allowed to die
By Steve Doughty
PUBLISHED: 19:23 EST, 17 October 2012 | UPDATED: 01:48 EST, 18 October 2012

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Thousands of patients have already been placed on 'death registers' which single them out to be allowed to die in comfort rather than be given life-saving treatment in hospital, it emerged last night.
Nearly 3,000 doctors have promised to draw up a list of patients they believe are likely to die within a year, Department of Health figures showed yesterday.
As part of an unpublicised campaign endorsed by ministers, GPs have been encouraged to make lists – officially known as End of Life Care Registers – of people they believe are going to die soon and should be helped to do so in comfort.

(File picture) Department of Health figures show nearly 3,000 doctors have promised to draw up a list of patients they believe are likely to die within a year
They have been asked to earmark elderly patients who show signs of frailty or deterioration during routine consultations at their surgeries.
Although more than 7,000 patients nationwide have already been put on the list, there appears to be no obligation for doctors to inform them.
Some medical professionals went public with their worries yesterday following the Daily Mail's disclosure of the NHS request to doctors to put one in every 100 of their patients on death lists.

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Put 1 in 100 patients on death list, GPs told: Frailest to be asked to choose 'end-of-life' care

Dr Peter Saunders, of the Christian Medical Fellowship, warned about the risks of drawing up 'quotas' for the dying.
'We all know that doctors' estimates of patients' lifespans can be sometimes accurate but sometimes wildly inaccurate,' he said.
'A skilled doctor can in the great majority of cases assess when a patient is within a few hours or days of death. However, once we start to talk about weeks or months we know that we can often be right, but equally very badly wrong.'
The NHS is pushing for the death lists at a time when a keystone of its 'end of life strategy', the Liverpool Care Pathway, has come under fierce criticism from leading medical figures and families who believe their loved ones have been wrongly picked out in hospitals as dying.


Mr Saunders yesterday said he was concerned about the increasing use of the Pathway, adding that 'we know that some people have been put on it inappropriately'.
Under the LCP, hospital patients judged to be in the last days and hours of life are spared life-saving treatment, and often heavily sedated and denied nutrition and fluid by tube.
One leading critic, NHS consultant Professor Patrick Pullicino, has said use of the Pathway is a self-fulfilling prophecy and amounts to assisted death.
Guidance for GPs says patients on the death registers should be asked if they wish to die at home so money can be saved on hospital admissions.
Patients are also being encouraged to make up 'living wills' which instruct doctors to withdraw food and fluid tubes if they become too ill to speak. Such patients, GPs have been told, are 'less likely to be subject to treatments of limited clinical value'.
Figures from Care Minister Norman Lamb in a report on the NHS End of Life Care Strategy show 2,900 doctors have signed up, including 1,000 GPs.
The report said by the end of March 333, GPs had registers in operation, with 7,723 names. Of these, 2,534 were patients diagnosed with illnesses other than cancer. Some 3,531 patients agreed to 'advanced care planning', which can include agreement to a living will.
Doctors do not appear to have been instructed to inform patients or families when names are added. No patient or family has yet come forward to say they knew about their inclusion in a register.
Instead doctors are encouraged to have discussions with patients in which they raise the question of how long they are likely to live and how they should be cared for.
NHS end of life care director Professor Sir Mike Richards said in the report that the campaign 'has reached its midpoint target of 1,000 GPs signed up by August 2012'.
The Department of Health said: 'Patients can be placed on the GP End of Life Care register without their knowledge. However, being on this register purely means they have been identified as needing an end of life care plan.
'It does not mean they are automatically placed on an end of life pathway. It does not mean they will not receive treatment.'
'People tell us they want to spend their last days in their own bed at home surrounded by loved ones, rather than in a hospital bed. GPs can help make sure that happens by offering the opportunity to prepare a plan.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2219351/Three-THOUSAND-doctors-putting-patients-death-lists-single-allowed-die.html#ixzz29zkMojym
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[LuckyStrike]

But after reading the medical literature, I find the potential side effects acceptable from a riak standpoint - it is exceedingly low.

Is that what it was about? Or was it a moral choice where they are forcing you to put something in your body against your will by threatening your livelihood?

I'm not judging you, I'm not in your shoes, but where is the line drawn? Once something is done it is never undone.


You say losing a few days work will translate to a few grand, when is the last time you had the flu? I have had a handful of tylenol my entire life so certainly no flu shot, and I very rarely get sick at all.

What if your childs school wanted them to get some STD vaccine, the risk/reward was equal to what you have read the flu vaccine is. If your child didn't get the vaccine they would be expelled. What would you do?

What if your wife was forced by her employer to get the same flu shot, and put under the same thing you are now. What would you do?

[mamboni]

Is that what it was about? Or was it a moral choice where they are forcing you to put something in your body against your will by threatening your livelihood?

I'm not judging you, I'm not in your shoes, but where is the line drawn? Once something is done it is never undone.


You say losing a few days work will translate to a few grand, when is the last time you had the flu? I have had a handful of tylenol my entire life so certainly no flu shot, and I very rarely get sick at all.

What if your childs school wanted them to get some STD vaccine, the risk/reward was equal to what you have read the flu vaccine is. If your child didn't get the vaccine they would be expelled. What would you do?

What if your wife was forced by her employer to get the same flu shot, and put under the same thing you are now. What would you do?

It was a moral and an economic dilemma. At heart, I am a pragmatist. I will not risk my livelihood and family's security for a flu, though I find it morally wrong to force anyone to take a vaccine without his consent. The dilemma is muddied when one considers the role of physicians and nurses as caregivers and their responsibility to take reasonable precautions to prevent the spread of disease to their patients. At the present time, the consensus is that it is reasonable to compell doctors and nurses to accept the flu vaccine. We can argue whether this is right or wrong forever, because public health policy decisions are all about compromises and balancing pros and cons. It is rarely clear cut and noncontroversial.

To put this whole matter in some context vis-a-vis me personally and professionally, when I was a resident in training I had to perform academic autopsies. An academic autopsy, in terms of dissection, microscopic examination and diagnosis is 10-20 times the work of a forensic autopsy. The idea is that you learn as much as possible from every case. A typical case might have 5 or more major diagnoses and numerous minor findings. The point is, when I was in training the HIV epidemic (then called AIDs) hit with a vengeance. I personally performed about 20 AIDS autopsies knowing full well that if I cut myself while working I had an excellent chance of contracting what was then a 100% fatal disease with a variable incubation period and no reliable tests for the infection. You could contract HIV, be fine for a couple of years and then start coming down with all types of bizarre infections that only severely immunosuppressed people got. Then you knew you had about 6 months to live, back then. I had to take the risk as it was part of my training. The risk I took then was easily 10,000 times greater than a flu vaccine. In my line of work I am exposed to all manner of hazards. I work with tuberculosis cases with some regularity and the risk of infection is huge. As a premed trainee, I was accidently exposed to X-rays during crystallography experiments - they told me that my safety badge was overexposed. I've worked with dangerous radioisotopes, the worst being P32 and I131. I worked with retroviruses and cDNA transfectional agents. I've worked with Ultracentrifuges and let me tell you, if you don't balance them perfectly, they can literally explode. So acceptable risks are part and parcel of my work.

But yeah, I was quite pissed off about being forced into taking the flu shot. But I've had to deal with a lot worse shit during my career. I could write a book. But trust me, I am not unusual.

[Golden]

Bellyaching? Is is bellyaching to question an order, investigate the pros and cons, and discover that the consequences of acquiescences are acceptable vis-a-vis risks versus benefits. According to you, I should throw my entire medical career and livelihood away and refuse to take the flu shot, even though my review of the peer-reviewed medical literature does not disclose any compelling reason not to? Unlike you, I do not have luxury of simply saying no without severe and longstanding negative consequences. I would hardly call my conduct bellyaching. It's actually called riak-benefit analysis. And in the real world, it's usually the only tool one has to make a lesser-of-two-evils choice.

I don't believe you.
You're nobody's tool.
Reply via ether.

[skid]

If my employer forced me to choose between taking a vaccine or lose my job I wouldn't hesitate to tell them to shove it. I too have a good job, financial security as a result of a regular paycheck, etc. that I would lose. I can put up with a fair amount of bs at work, but sticking needles filled with potential poisons in myself isn't an option.

Surely your current job isn't that critical to you? Couldn't you find another position or do something else with your training, education, and experience? Obviously the choice is yours, but you will have given up your freedom and become a slave if you take the vaccine against your will. I've often joked that if I get fired I will sell everything and farm coffee in Costa Rica or similar. Don't you have unfulfilled dreams that your job is preventing? At your age money is probably secondary, and could easily be replaced elsewhere given your credentials.

My wife was a community health nurse that gave flu and other vaccines years ago. She was head of the nursing code team in case of overt reactions to the shots. Our kids are not vaccinated. She cannot work in her field now for the same reasons as you as she would refuse the mandatory health care worker flu vaccination.

[Golden]

Lindsey Williams - Doctors Quitting Over ObamaCare

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgTOc0ysaGo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgTOc0ysaGo

meh

[mamboni]

In my realm, doctors aren't quitting over Obamacare because no one knows how things will change. Everyone is taking a wait and see attitude. I'll watch the Pastor later and give some feedback.

[VirgilCain]

Mamboni, Would relocating to another state help?

[Twisted Titan]

Tag.....i need to say something but i will adress it later

[mamboni]

Mamboni, Would relocating to another state help?

No - Obamacare is federal law. But some states might refuse to participate.

[willie pete]

I haven't taken a flu shot in many many years, the last time was in adolescence and it made me sick, (diaphoretic, febrile and N&V), I haven't taken one since, I'm wondering if maybe you report a Hx of an adverse reaction they may give you a pass? I've been "obliged" in the past to take the HBV vaccine series.....I took 'em to protect my employment ;D

[mamboni]

I've been sick with a lingering head cold for 2 months now. It started a few days after I received the flu vaccination. Coincidence or causality? Who the hell knows? All I know is that I have never been this sickly in my entire life and I am sick and fucking tired of a stuffy runny fucking nose and feeling fucking tired all the fucking time. Did I mention that I am pissed off too.

[Neuro]

I've been sick with a lingering head cold for 2 months now. It started a few days after I received the flu vaccination. Coincidence or causality? Who the hell knows? All I know is that I have never been this sickly in my entire life and I am sick and fucking tired of a stuffy runny fucking nose and feeling fucking tired all the fucking time. Did I mention that I am pissed off too.
You should have been on sick leave for the last two months then. The reason why the hospital mandated the vaccine was so that your bugs wouldn't infect patients of the hospital. You got an infection following the injection, whether it is causal or not doesn't matter. Neither the fact that you don't see patients, you weren't excluded from the mandatory vaccination for this reason. Clearly you should be on a payed sick leave to protect the hospitals patients from danger...

[mamboni]

You should have been on sick leave for the last two months then. The reason why the hospital mandated the vaccine was so that your bugs wouldn't infect patients of the hospital. You got an infection following the injection, whether it is causal or not doesn't matter. Neither the fact that you don't see patients, you weren't excluded from the mandatory vaccination for this reason. Clearly you should be on a payed sick leave to protect the hospitals patients from danger...

I am in private practice - if I don't work I don't get paid. So I haven't missed a day's work in twenty years. Whether I'm on death's door or have fungating tumors popping out of my head, I get my ass to work. It's called reality and I'll take it over a cushy desk job where I get paid for make work any time. I sleep at night with a clear conscience....and stuffy nose and sniffles.

Did I mention that I've had a fucking head cold for 2 months now?

[madfranks]

Dang, I'm sorry to hear about this, mamboni. Maybe a vacation is in order? Even self-employed folks need a break from time to time. I can tell this is stressing you out; I bet a solid week of rest, lots of vitamins and healthy food would help you tremendously.

[Dogman]

Did I mention that I've had a fucking head cold for 2 months now?

Try taking these two and do not call in the morning!

http://www.fregata.com/gallery2/d/204754-2/Ed+Hardy+120.jpg

May help you forget your cold!

[mamboni]

Dang, I'm sorry to hear about this, mamboni. Maybe a vacation is in order? Even self-employed folks need a break from time to time. I can tell this is stressing you out; I bet a solid week of rest, lots of vitamins and healthy food would help you tremendously.

Yeah, you are right. But I don't want to slow down. I have four years left on my contract and I have to make the money while I still can. I'll be 61 when my contract expires. If I can I will quit. Or if necessary, I'll hang on long enough (~1 year) to groom a successor. Yeah, I'm tired.

[Serpo]

I've been sick with a lingering head cold for 2 months now. It started a few days after I received the flu vaccination. Coincidence or causality? Who the hell knows? All I know is that I have never been this sickly in my entire life and I am sick and fucking tired of a stuffy runny fucking nose and feeling fucking tired all the fucking time. Did I mention that I am pissed off too.


No one has a head cold for two months.

Its no coincidence you got this two days after the flu shots.

[Golden]

OP, I couldn't help but to post this here. The search engine is lacking and I detest the memory hole. If you wish I'll start a new thread.

Dr. Frank Rosenbloom, MD-Part 1 (28:43)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt8SJSwzOb0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt8SJSwzOb0

"This is a tragicomedy."

[osoab]

Johns Hopkins Scientist Blasts CDC for Pushing Flu Shot (http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Health-News/flu-shot-risks-benefits/2013/06/14/id/510050)



Federal health authorities vastly overstate the benefits of the flu shot and, for most healthy people, vaccination is unnecessary at best and potentially risky at worst, a Johns Hopkins scientist tells Newmax's Steve Malzberg.

Peter Doshi, an influenza expert with the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, contends vaccines pushed by health authorities are less effective and cause more side effects than acknowledged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Doshi, who recently published a withering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), says the studies that inform CDC's flu policy show the vaccine doesn’t cover all strains of flu, and that life-threatening complications from influenza are fairly rare, but side effects can be serious.
(http://w3.newsmax.com/newsletters/brownstein/video_cancer2.cfm)

"I’m not convinced that influenza is a major public health threat so I have problems with the overarching policy [pushing flu shots], but on a personal level I fit in the healthy adults [category] and so influenza’s particularly not a threat for me and for most healthy adults," says Doshi, noting he doesn’t get the flu shot himself.

"This is a disease which is unpleasant if you do get it and most people don’t get it — it’s far more rare than we think — and this is again one of the big problems … we’re lead to think that everybody’s getting it and everyone is at risk for serious complications. The risk is quite a bit lower than we’re led to believe."

Doshi also notes that the vaccine approved every year doesn’t protect against all circulating strains of the flu, so it doesn’t offer the protection against flu complications it’s believed to confer. The flu is caused by many different viral and microbial strains, with just one in six cases of flu actually tied to influenza, he argues.

"The other side is even if you do want to reduce whatever small [flu] risk there may be, it’s not clear at all that influenza vaccines are going to prevent the serious outcomes that really the reason the vaccine exists. If you want to take the vaccine to lower your risk of having influenza, there is some evidence that it does do that but … you need to vaccinate between 33 and 100 healthy adults for just one of those people to avoid having influenza."

"So if you imagine this as the perfect vaccine that works 100 percent of the time that means it’s going to work against one in six flu [cases]," he says. "You would think it would work 100 percent of the time but it's not.


Doshi notes that promoting influenza vaccines is one of the most aggressive public health policies in the United States, with drug companies and public officials pressing for widespread vaccination each fall.

CDC officials argue flu vaccines are important because influenza comes with a risk of serious complications that can cause death, especially in seniors and those with chronic illnesses. The agency cites two studies of influenza vaccines — published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and carried out by academic and government researchers with non-commercial funding — that both found a large (up to 48 percent) reduction in the risk of death.

But Doshi argues those reported reduction in death rates may be due to the "healthy-user effect" — the tendency for healthier people to be vaccinated more than less-healthy people. What’s more, other research on the effects of influenza vaccine in older people found no decrease in deaths and a study released in February found that the flu shot was only 9 percent effective in protecting seniors against the 2012-2013 season's most virulent influenza bug.

"People are lead to hold these unrealistically high expectations of what this vaccine can do given all the marketing around it when there’s no reason to have those high expectations," Doshi contends.

Doshi says marketing the flu shot is big business, but even otherwise well-meaning doctors and health officials get caught up in promoting the vaccine.

"There’s money involved everywhere but that, I don’t think, is really how to understand or explain why a lot of people with good intentions like your own doctor are also unaware of most of the evidence here," he says. "Your doctor is not likely doing his own homework on this. They’re relying on sources like CDC to tell us what the evidence says.
"And … have you ever heard the phrase, don't just stand there, do something? Well no matter how bad the evidence might look for this vaccine — how poor the effectiveness might be — if there’s something, they take the position that something is always better than nothing."

The problem, he adds, is that the flu vaccine — like all medicine — carries a risk of side effects.

"I don’t want to put any false scares out here because mostly this appears to be a safe vaccine [but] that doesn’t mean that harms don’t occur," he notes. "So when we think that this is risk free we’re wrong. In fact in Australia and Sweden and Finland they had some serious [flu-shot-related] adverse events that nobody predicted that occurred just in 2009."

[osoab]

UK Government Bribes Hospitals to Vaccinate Staff (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/uk-government-bribes-hospitals-to.html)


According to MK News, the UK Government has decided there is more than one way to force hospital staff into receiving this year’s flu vaccine. Knowing that many hospitals are struggling financially, the government has decided to turn their hand to bribery by offering extra cash to financially dependent hospitals, on the proviso that they vaccinate all their staff with this year’s flu vaccine. MK News, reporting on the story, said:

Figures have revealed that less than half of all frontline NHS staff are vaccinated against flu, and at some hospitals, this can fall as low as one in five.

But in order to give hospitals an incentive for extra cash, the funds will only be released to them if they meet a robust target of vaccinating 75 percent of staff against flu.
And while the figures will not affect the hospitals’ £1.4m funding this year, if they do not meet the figures, it will affect the amount they are given next year.”What this means is that any hospital failing to meet this year’s flu vaccination target will not only fail to receive this year’s extra funding, but they will also lose out next year as well.

UK’s Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt explained that he wanted every NHS trust to vaccinate more than 75 percent of their staff this year in order to protect vulnerable patients. [2]


An Unofficial, Unethical, and Illogical Mandate

However, is forced vaccination the way forward? Many irate hospital staff are extremely angry and have accused the UK government of emotional blackmail, calling the move unethical. One health care professional, commenting on the story in Nursing Times, stated:

This isn’t giving people a choice to get vaccinated or not. Sounds like they’re holding trusts to ransom, saying you’ve got to get 75 percent of your staff vaccinated so that the underfunded A&E departments can receive a little top up (after years of under-resourcing). Or, it’s a great ploy of not paying anything at all, as a good guess that there won’t be enough staff getting vaccinated.
Flu jabs are no guarantee of keeping people out of A&E over winter.
Also, does this mean people who don’t work in the NHS or where there isn’t an A&E won’t have to worry?
I [would] like to see/hear chief execs, directors, senior managers and politicians all get their jabs first, then work a couple weeks as frontline staff would between Christmas and New Year, lead by example and put their money where their mouth is. [3]

rest at link

[Spectrism]

I am surprised that those "board members" who declare all must be shot have not been shot themselves.

If someone puts my life and welfare at risk, I will defend. If they like injections so much, I suppose there are many kinds of injections they could receive.

[Ponce]

Remamber Dr that those whom you work for are also your friends....so......keep on trucking because they need you.........and so do we.............REALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? hahahahahahah...

V

[Bird dog]

I had to get a shot or sign this declination form to keep my job at one facility I work at.



Influenza is serious respitory diesese that kills an average of 36,000 persons and
hospitalizes more than 200,000 persons in the United States each year.
2. Influenza vaccination is recommended for me and all other healthcare workers to prevent
influenza disease and its complications, including death.
3. If I contract influenza, I will shed the virus for 24–48 hours before influenza symptoms
appear. My shedding the virus can spread influenza infection to patients in this facility.
4.If I become infected with influenza, even when my symptoms are mild, I can spread severe
illness to others.
5. I understand that the strains of virus that cause influenza infection change almost every year,
which is why a different influenza vaccine is recommended each year.
6.I cannot get the influenza disease from the influenza vaccine.
7. The consequences of my refusing to be vaccinated could endanger my health and the health
of those with whom I have contact, including:
• patients in this healthcare setting
• my coworkers
• my family
• my community
Despite these facts, I am choosing to decline influenza vaccination right now.
I understand that I may change my mind at any time and accept influenza vaccination, if
vaccine is available.
Acknowledgements
Representative
Signature:_________________________________ Date:________________________
I

That looks very familiar - we must work at the same place. Last fall I was told I had to get a flu shot, or I would get negative marks in my personal record, no more promotions or raises. I told them to shove it - no way was I going to get a flu shot. I've never had one, never will. So after one year they were true to their word and I didn't get a merit increase. It was only going to be 2.5% so guess who is going to do 2.5% less work this year??

I can leave and would do real well consulting, but with my youngest still in grade school, I'm not ready yet to spend most of my time traveling.

I'm really glad I stumbled onto this thread - maybe I will fight them this year.

[milehi]

I just sent in my declination form for the next year. I'm not an employee but a vendor and couldn't care less if I never did business there again. I already move as much business as I can to other facilities.

[Spectrism]

How is it that doctors are not all just telling the political manipulators to go suck rotten eggs?

[madfranks]

That looks very familiar - we must work at the same place. Last fall I was told I had to get a flu shot, or I would get negative marks in my personal record, no more promotions or raises. I told them to shove it - no way was I going to get a flu shot. I've never had one, never will. So after one year they were true to their word and I didn't get a merit increase. It was only going to be 2.5% so guess who is going to do 2.5% less work this year??

I can leave and would do real well consulting, but with my youngest still in grade school, I'm not ready yet to spend most of my time traveling.

I'm really glad I stumbled onto this thread - maybe I will fight them this year.

You're not the only one. Keep up the good fight!

[cheka.]

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/Vaccines/55946

HPV, MenB Vaccines Added to Kids' Immunization Schedule

[Cebu_4_2]

I choose to not participate in this maddness.

[Ponce]

Only shots that I take are the pain shots for my knee and my shoulders.....but.....I took an empty container and took it to another Dr. to be sure that it was ok to use it.... never taken a flue shot or anything like it....almost 76 years old and still alive.

V

[Neuro]

Only shots that I take are the pain shots for my knee and my shoulders.....but.....I took an empty container and took it to another Dr. to be sure that it was ok to use it.... never taken a flue shot or anything like it....almost 76 years old and still alive.

V
Yes, but you have to consider all the innocent people you murdered by passing on the flu

[palani]

Only shots that I take are the pain shots for my knee and my shoulders.....but.....I took an empty container and took it to another Dr. to be sure that it was ok to use it.... never taken a flue shot or anything like it....almost 76 years old and still alive.

V

Ponce

If you are indeed ex-military then you have been injected with all sorts of combinations of chemicals purported to keep you healthy and in fighting shape under the worst field conditions.

[Joshua01]

Yes, but you have to consider all the innocent people you murdered by passing on the flu

Screw them, they should have had their flu shots!

[Neuro]

Screw them, they should have had their flu shots!
Yes, but they tell me it isn't enough to have the immunity from the flu shot, the whole Goy-herd has to be injected for it to be effective...

[monty]

My mother and her husband got their flu shots religiously every year. They were sick afterwards every year. I have never taken a flu shot and seldom have the flu.

[Ares]

Ponce

If you are indeed ex-military then you have been injected with all sorts of combinations of chemicals purported to keep you healthy and in fighting shape under the worst field conditions.

Yep, he most likely has. With that said vaccine induced antibodies only have a life span of less than 10 years. After that time, a blood test would reveal very few if any antibodies that were created as a result of the vaccine. Natural immunity (acquired the disease and the body beat it) you are immune for the rest of your life (if healthy enough to fight off an infection).

I've had this discussion with pediatricians multiple times already lol.

I asked one who tries to dispute me, and I said if the vaccine is so effective then why is a booster needed? Why is it that adults are asked to get a whooping cough vaccine?

She had no answer, I said because the vaccine induced antibodies die off as we age. Our bodies never acquired the disease and instead get a temporary albet misdirected shield during our early development years.

I ended it by saying you cannot improve gods design. We are meant to get these diseases and once acquired immune for the rest of our lives. Instead vaccine preachers will keep pumping themselves and their kids full of that crap and never bother to question why the antibodies are never permanent.

[mick silver]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?87554-Autism-Vaccine-Controversy-Continues-With-Data-Coverup
Autism-Vaccine Controversy Continues With Data Coverup

[Neuro]

My mother and her husband got their flu shots religiously every year. They were sick afterwards every year. I have never taken a flu shot and seldom have the flu.
Did any of them get Alzheimer's?

[monty]

Did any of them get Alzheimer's?

My father's sister had Alzheimer's, she passed away about 15 years ago. I don't know if she took flu shots or not. Now, one of my sister's is in the late stages of Alzheimers and again I don't know her flu shot history. My mother and her husband lived to 93 and 94 respectivly.

[Ares]

My father's sister had Alzheimer's, she passed away about 15 years ago. I don't know if she took flu shots or not. Now, one of my sister's is in the late stages of Alzheimers and again I don't know her flu shot history. My mother and her husband lived to 93 and 94 respectivly.

Look up Dr. Andrew Saul, he has access to a study showing large doeses of Niacin reversing Alzheimer's disease.

[Neuro]

My father's sister had Alzheimer's, she passed away about 15 years ago. I don't know if she took flu shots or not. Now, one of my sister's is in the late stages of Alzheimers and again I don't know her flu shot history. My mother and her husband lived to 93 and 94 respectivly.
The reason why I asked was because I read research many years ago that showed up to a 10-fold increased risk for developing Alzheimer's disease if you had frequent flu-shots...

[Neuro]

At best the flu-shot is worthless:

By Dr. Mercola

About 43 percent of the U.S. population opted to get a flu shot last season, a trend that has unfortunately been steadily increasing in the last several years.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 8 million more people received the flu shot in 2010, which CDC director Dr. Thomas Frieden told Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/10/24/after-fear-h1n1-more-americans-putting-flu-shot-on-to-do-list/)i (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_edni) "is the most people who have ever been vaccinated in this country."
Most likely, this is a direct result of the massive marketing campaign that is ongoing in the United States, encouraging every person 6 months and older to get a flu shot.
Now they're available not only from your physician, but also at your drugstore and supermarket.
The CDC is now encouraging ""universal" flu vaccination in the U.S. to expand protection against the flu to more people" -- a move that is highly suspect considering the lack of evidence supporting their effectiveness and safety.
Flu Vaccines Have Little to No Measurable Benefit
The CDC states that the annual flu vaccine is the "best" way to avoid catching the seasonal flu, but what many fail to realize is that there's virtually NO valid scientific evidence to support it, in either its effectiveness or its safety.
This is particularly true for key target groups for which the CDC says the flu shot is most important, like seniors, children and pregnant women!
Again and again, the Cochrane Database Review—which is the gold standard for assessing the scientific evidence for the effectiveness of commonly used medical interventions—has concluded that flu vaccines do not appear to have any measurable benefit either for children, adults, or seniors.
Take a look at these five Cochrane Database Reviews, published between 2006 and 2010, which call into serious question the claim that flu shots are the best way to stay healthy during the flu season.


Last year, Cochrane reviewed the available scientific evidence that flu shots protect the elderly, and the results were abysmal. The authors concluded:


"The available evidence is of poor quality and provides no guidance regarding the safety, efficacy or effectiveness of influenza vaccines for people aged 65 years or older."
Cochrane reviewers also evaluated whether or not flu shots given to health care workers can help protect the elderly patients in nursing homes with whom they work. The research did not find an effect from the vaccinations on laboratory-confirmed influenza. Influenza vaccinations were also not linked to a reduction in either pneumonia or deaths from pneumonia. In conclusion, the authors state:


"[T]here is no evidence that vaccinating health care workers prevents influenza in elderly residents in long-term care facilities.
Ditto for children. A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16437500)ii (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_ednii)in 2006, found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo in preventing influenza in children under two. The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months.
Two years, later, in 2008, another Cochrane reviewiii (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_edniii) again concluded "little evidence is available" that the flu vaccine is effective in preventing influenza in children under the age of two.
As for the general adult population, Cochrane published the following bombshell conclusion (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424)iv (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_edniv) last year:


"Influenza vaccines have a modest effect in reducing influenza symptoms and working days lost. There is no evidence that they affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission.

WARNING: This review includes 15 out of 36 trials funded by industry (four had no funding declaration). An earlier systematic review of 274 influenza vaccine studies published up to 2007 found industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies independently from methodological quality and size. Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines.

The review demonstrated that reliable scientific evidence confirming that influenza vaccines are effective is thin and there is plenty of reason to suspect that there may be a manipulation of conclusions when the studies are funded by drug companies. The content and conclusions of this review should be interpreted in light of this finding."

CDC Recommends Flu Shots to Pregnant Women Despite Serious Risks
According to Frieden of the CDC, more pregnant women were vaccinated in 2010 than ever before, and about half of them received a flu shot. Unfortunately, many obstetricians and pediatricians strongly recommend the flu vaccine to their pregnant patients because they simply don't know any better. Most of them simply do so at the urging of the CDC and medical trade associations like the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as it is a lot easier to just blindly trust and follow the CDC or AAP "recommendations" without really checking into them.
If you were following the latest research, however, you would see a new study that seriously calls into question the wisdom of giving pregnant women flu shots. It examined "the magnitude, time course, and variance in inflammatory responses following seasonal influenza virus vaccination among pregnant women."
The analysis, which assessed women prior to, and at one day, two days, and one week following vaccination, showed significant increases in C-reactive protein (CRP) and other markers of inflammation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21945263)v (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_ednv) following the vaccinations. Preeclampsia and preterm birth both have an inflammatory component, leading researchers to state that a tendency toward greater inflammatory responding to immune triggers may predict risk of adverse outcomes.
Researchers are now questioning the assumed safety of giving flu shots to pregnant women because stimulating a woman's immune system during midterm and later term pregnancy may significantly increase the risk that her baby will develop autism during childhood and schizophrenia (http://www.jneurosci.org/content/27/40/10695)vi (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_ednvi) sometime during the teenage years and afterward. This risk is not minor. According to Dr. Blaylock, it's a well-accepted fact within neuroscience that eliciting an immune response during pregnancy increases the risk of autism and schizophrenia in her offspring seven- to 14-fold!
In fact, a number of neurodevelopmental and behavioral problems can occur in babies born to women immunologically stimulated (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11782107)vii (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_ednvii) during pregnancy. For example, in one study done by Dr. Laura Hewitson (http://fedgeno.com/documents/delayed-neonatal-reflexes-in-primates-receiving-thimerosal.pdf)viii (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx#_ednviii), a professor of obstetrics at the University of Pittsburg Medical Center, found that a single vaccine used in human babies, when used in newborn monkeys, caused significant abnormalities in brainstem development.

more:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/24/more-people-getting-flu-shots.aspx

[PatColo]

I'd known this Anita Whitney lady firstly as expert in the world of "Corporation Nation (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44790-Documentary-The-Corporation-Nation)", legal strawman etc. Sofia Smallstorm interviewed her, twice.


Anita Whitney 9/3/15 (http://aboutthesky.com/podcasts/436-anita-whitney-9-3-2015)

Anita Whitney 7/15/15 (http://aboutthesky.com/podcasts/419-anita-whitney-7-15-2015)


So here's Anita in a CrazzFiles show about vaccines? Yep. Explaining that djooz.gov can only force vax your corporate strawman, not your human being... but they're viewed as one in the same when you've got your "strawman uniform" on (which you're properly unaware of). Also, "how doctors are controlled." I'm still listening; it's 2.5 hrs!





Exposing and Opposing the Vaccination Agenda With Anita Whitney (http://crazzfiles.com/exposing-and-opposing-the-vaccination-agenda-with-anita-whitney-5/)

The Crazz Files (http://crazzfiles.com/author/adam/)
March 25, 2016 (http://crazzfiles.com/exposing-and-opposing-the-vaccination-agenda-with-anita-whitney-5/)

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Vaccines are not safe and the drug companies have been given complete immunity regarding any harm or injuries they might cause. In fact, in July 2009 the Institute for Science in Society sent a report to the Chief Medical Officer of the UK, and the US Food and Drug Administration warning them that The vaccines were far more deadly than the swine flu.

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The unwise and unwarranted invasion of the federal government (via state and local public health institutions) into our children’s classrooms must not be allowed to continue. Our children cannot protect themselves from this encroachment into their health care. As parents we must act on their behalf. We do not want public health agencies (federal, state or local) to engage in the administration of drugs to our children in the school environment on a mass scale. In 2009 the H1N1 vaccines, were not properly tested nor approved through the normal process. We do not want to open the door to vaccination clinics in schools . . . not now – not ever. Remember today the products that are manufacturered and sold as “vaccines” are not warranted as either safe or effective.


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The “For Ohioans” site was founded by AL Whitney in 2009 as a response to the H1N1 bogus pandemic. In 2014 the site was renamed Parents Against Mandatory Vaccines.


AL is a former Registered Respiratory Therapist and a former Court Appointed Special Advocate for Abused and Neglected Children (CASA).


As a Respiratory Therapist in Chicago, she took care of several Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS) patients who were so ill they were on respirators. As a CASA, she received first hand experience with government bureaucracies and the Ohio Revised Code.


While this site web was initially started by one individual, it quickly expanded to include input from many researchers and scientists from across the state and beyond, who are examining the impact the vaccine ‘agenda’ is having on our population.


Politics


Like everyone else AL is conservative about some things and liberal about others. She has no loyalty to either the Democrats or the Republicans. Both parties have been hijacked by special interests and currently our politicians care more about re-election than serving the population. Our country has been corporatized (http://parentsagainstmandatoryvaccines.wikispaces.com/Our+Government+is+a+Company) and the population needs to wake up to this reality, recognize the harm this model is causing and de-corporatize our government on all levels.


AL is also a parent and a grandparent and only woke up in 2009 to the reality that vaccines are more harmful than they are beneficial.


http://parentsaganinstmandatoryvaccines.net/about/
http://anticorruptionsociety.com/2016/03/12/honest-physicians-prove-that-evidence-based-medicine-is-a-fraud/
http://republicbroadcasting.org/in-defense-of-humanity-with-al-whitney-and-ingri-cassel/
http://parentsaganinstmandatoryvaccines.net/big-pharma-lies-exposed/

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[Jewboo]

Any constructive opinions or advice are welcome.



Let's ask your Secretary of Health. (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1586340024606.jpg)

:)

[mamboni]

Let's ask your Secretary of Health. (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1586340024606.jpg)

:)
OMG! This can't be true. Clown World doesn't begin to describe this reality. This is Freakazoid World.

She/he/it looks like Dee Snider from Twisted Sister, only fuglier.......ugh

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.maltacore.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2Fdee-758x426.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[Ares]

OMG! This can't be true. Clown World doesn't begin to describe this reality. This is Freakazoid World.

She/he/it looks like Dee Schneider from Twisted Sister, only fuglier.......ugh

Clown world is here. Your refusal to recognize and take part in this mass delusion of reality will be met with scorn and punishment.

[mamboni]

Clown world is here. Your refusal to recognize and take part in this mass delusion of reality will be met with scorn and punishment.Now I understand the visionary foresight of JQP not allowing posting of images: The Secretary of Health's photo would certainly send some forum members into shock.

[Hitch]

Now I understand the visionary foresight of JQP not allowing posting of images: The Secretary of Health's photo would certainly send some forum members into shock.

I am a post traumatic forum member, from past image photo bombardment. I personally like the dis-allowment of images. What has been seen, can not be unseen. Text is pretty good for me to get the message.

[Neuro]

I understand it is shockingly ugly. Is there a vaccine we could all take to protect us from this evil?

[ziero0]

I understand it is shockingly ugly. Is there a vaccine we could all take to protect us from this evil?
Precisely the question I put to my veterinarian a couple weeks ago (although I phrased it "do you have a vacination that will keep my mastiff from humping rottweilers?")

[Jewboo]

Let's ask your Secretary of Health. (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1586340024606.jpg)

:)

Here's another one today Mamboni (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1587055166103.jpg)

:o

[mamboni]

Here's another one today Mamboni (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1587055166103.jpg)

:oThis is worse than living in the Planet of the Apes. We are all Charlton Heston: "It's a mad house....a mad house!"

Trump needs to take decisive action against the traitors because we are quickly approaching the point of no return.

[Neuro]

Here's another one today Mamboni (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1587055166103.jpg)

:o

I just woke up. I have a feeling today will not be a good day...

[madfranks]

I just woke up. I have a feeling today will not be a good day...

Being you though, isn't that pretty much every day? :D

[osoab]

I just woke up. I have a feeling today will not be a good day...

Out of alcohol?

[Neuro]

Out of alcohol?

I went and bought two 3 liter wine boxes...

[Neuro]

Being you though, isn't that pretty much every day? :D

Nah doom makes me happy! Its that fokker Jewboo... ;D

[osoab]

I went and bought two 3 liter wine boxes...

I hope that is just to tide you over for the evening. :D

[Jewboo]

Nah doom makes me happy! Its that fokker Jewboo... ;D

We share Swedish genes and THIS (https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/623432/files/13867121/absolut-absolut-vodka-1l.jpg) nectar from the gods is from there. 5 ounces daily with ZeroWater (https://www.zerowater.com/) recently makes doom happy now in Clown World.

;D don't forget the popcorn

[Neuro]

We share Swedish genes and THIS (https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/623432/files/13867121/absolut-absolut-vodka-1l.jpg) nectar from the gods is from there. 5 ounces daily with ZeroWater (https://www.zerowater.com/) recently makes doom happy now in Clown World.

;D don't forget the popcorn

Absolut doom brother jewboo! I would have needed that pitcher when I was bugged out in Turkey. The sand water filter that i had built hadnt started working properly yet. So I bought a brita filter. The water had the same discoloration after filtering as it had before...

[Neuro]

I hope that is just to tide you over for the evening. :D

I might stretch it out over the weekend...

[Jewboo]

Absolut doom brother jewboo! I would have needed that pitcher when I was bugged out in Turkey... So I bought a brita filter. The water had the same discoloration after filtering as it had before...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78DKinW73Xk

[Cebu_4_2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78DKinW73Xk

Wow, even removes fluoride.

[Amanda]

Look at the info at RFK Jr.'s site. It seems to expose the truth about the flu shot, and it looks like it makes you more vulnerable to sickness!!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-misinformation-flu-shots-equal-health/

2020 Pentagon study: Flu vaccines increase risk of coronavirus by 36% (!!!)

Interestingly, this info seems to fit with what Dr. Rashid Buttar suggested in the video below. I can't remember his exact words, but it was something along the lines of wondering if something in the flu shot was causing people to test positive for corona (we have an 80% false positive rate). He said something like he wanted to see of the people who got sick, how many of those got the flu shot.

EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Rashid Buttar BLASTS Gates, Fauci, EXPOSES Fake Pandemic Numbers As Economy Collapses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbYHJcMbz8


2018 CDC Study: Flu shots increase risk of non-flu acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) in children.

2011 Australian Study: Flu shot doubled risk of non-influenza viral infections and increased flu risk by 73%.

2012 Hong Kong Study: Flu shots increased the risk of non-flu respiratory infections 4.4 times and tripled flu infections.

2017 Study: Vaccinated children are 5.9 more likely to suffer pneumonia and 30.1 times more likely to have been diagnosed with Allergic Rhinitis than unvaccinated children.

2014 Study: Influenza-vaccinated children were 1.6 times more likely than unvaccinated children to have a non-influenza “Influenza-like-illness” (ILI).


The Cochrane Researchers concluded (https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub4/full) that the scientific evidence “seem[s] to discourage the utilization of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.”
In their meta-analysis, the Cochrane researchers accused the CDC of deliberately misrepresenting the science in order to support their universal influenza vaccination recommendation. Nevertheless, CNN and other mainstream media outlets continually broadcast CDC pronouncements as gospel and, ironically, ridicules those of us who actually read the science as “purveyors of ‘vaccine misinformation”.

[mamboni]

At this time of mandatory vaccination of the population at large it seems appropos to revive this thread. I commented to my close friend that "the whole world has become me." What I meant is that after my divorce in 2014, my retirement from medical practice in 2018 and the full fruition of my spiritual and corporeal awakening all through my many personal and professional travails I elected to withdraw from society. I was content to remain at home in isolation, devoted to study and rumination, eschewing the increasing idiocy and insanity I saw in my neighbors, friends and family. Fast forward to 2020, and the state has seen fit to lock everyone down in their homes, close businesses and public venues and dictate face diapers and social distancing, all to protect us from a fictitious never-isolated virus supposedly discovered by some Chinese scientists in some of the lowest quality scientific publications I have ever had the displeasure to read. All this justified using PCR research-only technique as a literal clinical bludgeon to generate false positive tests and widespread fear in the ignorant sheeple. If that wasn't enough, TPTB are now increasingly pressuring for mandatory vaccinations with an experiment mRNA operating system (misnamed a vaccine which is by definition is not) using a methodology that killed virtually every test animal in previous attempts done over several decades. First they told me to take the shot or lose by practice and livelihood. Now they are telling you to take the shot or lose your freedoms now and potentially your ability to buy and sell tomorrow. So yes, we all all mamboni now, living in bliss within my self-imposed sanctum away from the insane outside world. I wanted to post this video from SGT report. The first half explores the pandemic, mandatory vaccination, the deep state and their evil plans, The second half explores the flat earth deception including the NASA and Elon Musk deceptions. The relationship between the two should be apparent to a thinking open-minded person. SGT Report were all about PMs in the old days but have now moved into exploring the deep state, illuminati and our government overlords. I think SGT Report of late has been truly excellent red pill content.

YOUR MIND IS INFECTED!


https://www.bitchute.com/video/gIIaQ5GeUeqT/

[ziero0]

"YOUR MIND IS INFECTED"

"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

[Bigjon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhQgeug3Pc4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhQgeug3Pc4


Rick Friedrich (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1hNQsr9YnkIjFkMAc3Npw)

11.1K subscribers

I waited 5 years to find the time and a clear enough day to follow-up on my previous video showing how the CN Tower viewed from Hamilton shoreline disproves Flat Earth Theory.

Since I was from Toronto this immediately came to mind when this theory became popular some years back. I had watched a video where a guy claimed the opposite. But he made a major mistake when he showed the base of the CN Tower from Hamilton when he did not consider that where he was standing was on top of the Niagara Escarpment which is 100m or 330' higher than Lake Ontario water.

So I returned to the shoreline today to finally settle this for everyone...If we calculate the curvature of the earth (the water representing that) as given here: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physic... (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbFlveERzWDRMajQ5cWhhWV8wNzBOOV RrNkJBQXxBQ3Jtc0tsTm9zY0NjWkNiVkp4aVZQWE0tdkVrTEN3 V1JDaUhBWjJhRi1WcU5JN1ZZZXJ2dk55WUJmSmZEcW42RElpUn dqbGpKbklSTU9tQ3Rsd091M1ZzWWhiblBFREt6NnFZdXFHN3hV ZlhBdzdONzNIeFZETQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.omnicalculator.com%2Fphysics%2 Fearth-curvature)​ we put in 60km to CN Tower, 0.5 eyesight level (in one of the photos you can see the difference when I was taking a picture with my phone on the deck which was maybe 30' higher).

So the horizon was 2.5km away, and the CN Tower was cut 259m. However, as shown in the first video, the CN Tower base is not at shoreline level. The base is 151m above sea level and Lake Ontario is 74.6m above sea level.

So the CN Tower is 76.4m higher than the water shoreline.

So really we are looking at cutting off the base of those buildings 182.6m or 600'. The CN Tower is 553.33m tall (or 1,815 feet, 5 inches) so we see 370m or 1215' of the top of the tower. 1/3rd is cut off.

The Edge walk deck is 356m or 1156' high. If we subtract 553m from 356m we have 197m or 646' to the top. This fits exactly with what we see here.

The video shows the Observation and Edge walk deck to be about half way from the horizon to the top when it is actually 2/3rds up the tower. You can look at other pictures or the following video to compare the difference between viewing from the shoreline or 100m higher on the Hamilton Niagara Escarpment.

This matches again the above calculator. If we change it to 65km distance and 100m above shore line then we have only 67m cut off which is just below the base of the Tower.

Notice the actual size of the buildings and compare...Let's get one thing clear here, I do not tolerate comments of 1. Rude people, 2. People who attack others for beliefs they can be honestly mistaken in. Also, I don't care for mere opinions that are "just so". If you have something to contribute to discussion about this video then that is fine. But saying "no it's not" is just a waste of people's time.

This also isn't a place to jump into other issues. Address the simple points I have presented without insults or rambling diversions.
I banned CreativeCircuits because he violates my above rules as posted below. This is rude, unproductive, and diverts from what I have shown and claimed. I would have tolerated the opinions but when he started off with insults then he automatically gets banned and removed for good. No one should tolerate such people's comments.

Nevertheless I will address in the comments 5 points what he stated:

1. Why assume I have put very little effort into real investigation of this theory? I do not tolerate assumptions, especially of people's motives. I have in fact done a great deal of investigation. Just because I don't get into the details here doesn't mean I haven't.

2. He did not address my simple point in the context I made it (that another video claimed you could see all of the CN Tower from Hamilton somehow proved the earth was flat, when in fact it was misleading because he was 330' higher than the shoreline and when I went to the water yesterday

I proved he was mistaken and that you actually could not see all of the CN Tower from Hamilton at Lake Ontario level). Why not at least address the whole point of these two videos? Why just attack me personally and divert into other matters?

3. Instead he made an unsubstantiated claim about objects in my video... In fact the smaller buildings can all be identified as very LARGE buildings that you can only see the tops of (600' of which is below the horizon).

This very significant and central point of my video is just dismissed with a flippant comment!

4. So what is dishonest about about this video and my claim?

I showed that the claim that you could see all of the CN Tower from Hamilton was misleading and that it did not prove a flat earth claim. What it actually did was show very clear evidence that the earth curves and therefore hides the expected lower parts of Toronto from Hamilton as expected.

I believe this evidence amounts to proof of my position when I find this to be universally the case wherever I go and along with the fact I talked about in the previous video that the sun dips below the horizon at sunset and I can go to higher elevation and watch it set again and again with repeated elevation.

This is not a dishonest conclusion nor oversimplified.

[ziero0]

Earth can be flat but space is curved. You can also have a park, a warren or a chase within the forest boundary without them being subject to forest law. Basically this is because a forest requires 4 elements and lacking one means it is not a forest.

In other news "within this state" actually refers to the federal zone within the EXTERIOR boundary of the state. If words have this much power then why cannot the earth be a pinpoint when observed from another dimension?

[cheka.]

are they demanding you take the juice, or that you have the immunity?

i would rather take the virus than the shot. get infected, petition whoever to let you submit your antibody results instead of taking the stupid shot

wouldnt the antibody proof be better than the proof of getting the injection?

you would be going above and beyond their standard -- that man really cares. give him a promotion $^^^$

you have vast knowledge of how to fight the virus - so no doubt you would beat the sh-t out of it

[JDRock]

The vaxx is a line in the sand for me. It is every bit as serious as gun confiscation. It is literally worth dying for.

[Cebu_4_2]

The vaxx is a line in the sand for me. It is every bit as serious as gun confiscation. It is literally worth dying for.

Thing is officially it is not called a vaccine. The first doses may or may not be bad but I am thinking they will be requiring more and more of them. Boosters, variant Covid strains etc. The more this corrupt world gets it's grip the more they will try to kill us all. I do not at this time know anyone personally that had a bad reaction but have read about many many adverse reactions and none can be proved to be from the Covid shot. There is no way to prove it was from the shots so they are covered. It's all complete BS. All of it.

[ImaCannin]

I do not at this time know anyone personally that had a bad reaction

Maybe they got the delayed reaction jab. It won’t show up for 6 months, but when it does.... hold on to your panties because there will be a lot of MAD COWS!

[PatColo]

I think SGT Report of late has been truly excellent red pill content.

YOUR MIND IS INFECTED!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gIIaQ5GeUeqT/

mambo, ur title says that of one Sean/SGT vid, but then link goes to a diff/newer one called INFO THAT COULD **LITERALLY** SAVE YOUR LIFE which is an interview w Ty & Charlene Bollinger, 44 mins

the vid u meant to link to:
THEIR MINDS ARE INFECTED! (https://www.bitchute.com/video/OULEg75g6DSw/)

^ 73m - "David Weiss and Matt Long joins me to discuss that which can't be discussed on YouTube and Twitter."

Sean also recently pub'd this 12m jobee, addressing a topic which he's caught flak for over the years for not touching...

Apr 09, 2021
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[Spectrism]

Print out this form and have your DR. sign it before gives the shot!

http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/files/3638448/uploaded/Physicians-Warranty-of-Vaccine-Safety.pdf

Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety
I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____________ am a physician
licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________. My State license number is
______________, and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is
________________________. I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all
the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name)
___________________________, age _________, whom I have examined, I find that certain
risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk
factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________


I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers:

aluminum hydroxide aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate amphotericin B
calf (bovine) serum animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit
brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick
embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
betapropiolactone fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde formalin
gelatin glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from
human aborted fetal tissue) hydrolized gelatin
mercury thimerosol (thimerosal,
Merthiolate(r)) monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80 porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins sorbitol
tri(n)butylphosphate VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey
kidney cells
washed sheep red blood
and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. I
have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe
neurological and immunological damage, and find that they are not credible.
I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian
Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s
lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals.
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other
live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no
substantive risk to my patient.)
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name)
___________________________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies
(also known as “fetuses”).


In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that
the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.
STEPS TAKEN: __________________________________________________ ____________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am
recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.
The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A, attached hereto, — “Physician’s Bases
for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine
separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for
administration to a child under the age of 5 years.)
The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s
Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles
in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.”
The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my
opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles Contrary to
Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.”
The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in
Attachment D , attached hereto, — “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of
Adverse Scientific Opinions.”
Hepatitis B
I understand that 60 percent of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose
detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of
Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS,
there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1
year age group, with 47 deaths reported.
I understand that 50 percent of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after
exposure. I understand that 30 percent will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have
lifetime immunity. I understand that 20 percent will develop the symptoms of the disease, but
that 95 percent will fully recover and have lifetime immunity.

I understand that 5 percent of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become
chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75 percent of the chronic carriers will live with
an asymptomatic infection and that only 25 percent of the chronic carriers will develop chronic
liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following scientific
studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children
under the age of 5 years.
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk
factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and
have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D, attached hereto, “Non-vaccine
Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors” I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine
Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name)
__________________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which
I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual
capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international
treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this
document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is
__________________________________________________ ___, an attorney admitted to the
Bar in the State of __________________________________________________ ______.

______________________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)
_________________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)
Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. _____________________
Witness: ________________________________ Date: _____________________
Notary Public: ___________________________ Date: ______________________

Just reviewing this thread and looking at many golden nuggets. This is a good one for today.

[ziero0]

http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/files/3638448/uploaded/Physicians-Warranty-of-Vaccine-Safety.pdf

Site gone

[PatColo]

^ found many other copies,
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Physicians-Warranty-of-Vaccine-Safety.pdf

[Spectrism]

Made a couple updates, small modifications. Employers trying to force this need to be held accountable too.

Print out this form and have your DR. sign it before he gives the shot or to your boss who demands your job requires this vaxx!


Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety
I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____________ am a physician
licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________. My State license number is
______________, and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is
________________________. I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all
the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name)
___________________________, age _________, whom I have examined, I find that certain
risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk
factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________

I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers, preservatives, adjuvants, etc. :
aluminum hydroxide aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate amphotericin B
calf (bovine) serum animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit
brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick
embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
betapropiolactone fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde formalin
gelatin glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from
human aborted fetal tissue) hydrolized gelatin
mercury thimerosol (thimerosal,
Merthiolate(r)) monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80 porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins sorbitol
tri(n)butylphosphate VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey
kidney cells
washed sheep red blood


… and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. I
have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe
neurological and immunological damage, and find that they are not credible.
I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian
Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s
lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals.
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other
live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no
substantive risk to my patient.)
I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name)
___________________________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies
(also known as “fetuses”), nor portions thereof reproduced, copied in part or whole, or modified from such a source.


In order to protect my patient’s well-being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that
the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.
STEPS TAKEN: __________________________________________________ ____________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
__________________________________________________ __________________________
I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am
recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.
The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A, attached hereto, — “Physician’s Bases
for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine
separately along with the basis for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for
administration to all, including children under the age of 5 years.)
The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s
Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles
in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.”
The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my
opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, — “Scientific Articles Contrary to
Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.”
The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in
Attachment D , attached hereto, — “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of
Adverse Scientific Opinions.”
Hepatitis B
I understand that 60 percent of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose
detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of
Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS,
there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1
year age group, with 47 deaths reported.
I understand that 50 percent of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after
exposure. I understand that 30 percent will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have
lifetime immunity. I understand that 20 percent will develop the symptoms of the disease, but
that 95 percent will fully recover and have lifetime immunity.

I understand that 5 percent of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become
chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75 percent of the chronic carriers will live with
an asymptomatic infection and that only 25 percent of the chronic carriers will develop chronic
liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following scientific
studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children
under the age of 5 years.
I understand that COVID vaccinations are experimental, untested under good practices protocols, have no history of being used for humans and had devastating test results when conducted in animal trials before.
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________
In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk
factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and
have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D, attached hereto, “Non-vaccine
Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors” I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine
Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name)
__________________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which
I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual
capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international
treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this
document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is
__________________________________________________ ___, an attorney admitted to the
Bar in the State of __________________________________________________ ______.

______________________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)
_________________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)
Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. _____________________
Witness: ________________________________ Date: _____________________
Notary Public: ___________________________ Date: ______________________

Employer Requiring Vaccination
I (Employer Officer’s name and position)_________________________, _____________ am an officer of
___________________ (company) in the State of ________________. My State tax ID number is
______________. My medical reference for requiring this vaccine is ________________________.
I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications and medical treatments that I require for or administer to my employees. In the case of (employee’s name)
___________________________, age _________, I find that certain
risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk
factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them:
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________
Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________

Risk Factor __________________________________________________ ________
Vaccination __________________________________________________ ________


I hereby take full responsibility for any adverse effects, physical, medical and financial, which arrive due to or in association with my requirement of the employee to follow my medical direction. I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international
treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is
__________________________________________________ ___, an attorney admitted to the
Bar in the State of __________________________________________________ ______.
______________________________________________ (Name of Company Officer)
_________________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Company Officer)
Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. _____________________
Witness: ________________________________ Date: _____________________
Notary Public: ___________________________ Date: ______________________