Walking into The Matrix vs being born in The Matrix

[Twisted Titan]

I have given this situation much thought but i wish to submit before The People I hold in the highest regard



I have been a Father now for a little over 17 months and without a doubt this is the hardest and most rewarding endeavor i have ever been blessed to participate in. The richness my daughter brings to my life words will forever fail to describe it has been greatest journey a Freeman can take.

And with Fatherhood comes wisdom and prudence and the ability to take long view to see how things play out

One of the highest points in my life when my daughter was born was to decline getting her a ssn i was not going to willfully place a set of shackles on her hands a feet for lifetime of servitude to the dark money masters The greatest gift i could give her was freedom.

Now that i am further down the road i can see things with eyes not colored with the overflowing emotion and high hopes but see things in stark reality and make adjustments accordingly and my reality is as follows


When the wife was carrying i still in Trade school and i was under the assumption i would be able to secure stable work in my new career. That did not materialize even though i did everything right. The fates dealt me cruel blow and it still chaps my Hyde when i dwell on it.

My daughter had one major health scare and a minor mouth surgery both times we were able to navigate around the ssn issue. I will be honest when a crisis is breaking out the last thing you want to be dealing with is some bullshit like that


In light of these and several other issues i really have to take the honest view of what reality presently is the use of a SSN can stream lines alot of things and plus there are the " benifits" and(i use that term with brittle teeth )of the credits the money masters are willing to give.

No amount of "money" can ever outweigh on the scales of life my kids freedom but i have to look at things as they are and the reality is The Matrix is going to still be standing for some time and those of us who are trying to be Sovereigns are going to have great difficulty going about our daily.

I don't mind the struggle but i do mind the possibility that my little one will be targeted i dont want that at least not now.


I just want to get a feeling for what the forum feels about this because i know that i an not alone in my line of thinking.


Thoughts?

[Twisted Titan]

Sorry for the typos im doing this on my phone

[Neuro]

What will the benefits of SSN be for her? I am asking because I really don't know... What is the drawbacks with it? One thing to consider is that as she comes of age the SSN maybe totally inconsequential to everyone, if the beast system has collapsed!

[Twisted Titan]

I wanted to get her a passport ....first thing out their mouth ssn please.

I think there is a side step it..but there are additional steps


Also in the event of my untimely demise. ...... Anybody trying to claim life insurance has to submit a Ss number

[palani]

Lots of opinions here on that topic (as well as many others). It would seem to be a decision that requires some thought.

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[Neuro]

I wanted to get her a passport ....first thing out their mouth ssn please.

I think there is a side step it..but there are additional steps


Also in the event of my untimely demise. ...... Anybody trying to claim life insurance has to submit a Ss number
If you can get the passport w/o ssn then do it. As for the life insurance can't you set up a trustfund or something like that which receives the payout from the insurance and your daughter is the beneficiary... Maybe you could set it up so that she receives a yearly amount to cover upbringing expenses until she is 20 or so, and then she gets a lumpsum, instruct the trust to invest in silver! ;)

[sunshine05]

We bought a new car last weekend and paid cash. We didn't have to do any financing paperwork and took a cashier's check to the dealer. Guess what? There is a new thing with Homeland Security that anyone purchasing a vehicle with cash must fill out a form with SS#'s:(. I asked them how long this had been in effect because I wasn't aware of it and thought it was ridiculous. They said it's been like this for 10 months or so. I really think they make it so difficult to live off the grid. By simply avoiding debt we were forced to sign something.

[palani]

There is a new thing with Homeland Security that anyone purchasing a vehicle with cash must fill out a form with SS#'s:

Corporations buy things all the time without ssn's. An EIN number is an alternative.

[Twisted Titan]

Im not versed with that but i will do some research.

Right now i more i am more about just appearing " regular"

I m starting to feel the same way about the ss as i do about my foreclosure....if those dipsh!ts really think im going to pay 400k on a bad bet they are absolutely crazy and persuing legal recourse against me will net them a check of 400 bucks they could place a lein on.


Same as everybody with ssn number owing "x" amount of dollars on the national debt. I would laugh my ass of if some dweeb should up at my door with some gubbermint bill

[Sparky]

Unfortunately, avoiding a SSN in the name of preserving freedom can result in a whole new form of slavery while living in the present reality, as you have begun to discover. Obviously you are trying to do the right thing for her, but it's not a slam dunk decision. Welcome to parenthood. Trying to do right for others can be harder than doing right by yourself.

I'd say keep an open mind to getting one. Somewhere along the line, you may finally come to think that it's "worth it", and there's no shame in that. I think you have to view it like prepping: if you are doing it such that it is causing you or your family too much grief in the here and now, then it detracts from your gains in protecting the future. Maybe you are at that point now. If you get one, you still remain aware with your heart in the right place. You can teach her so many things about freedom and independence regardless of whether she has a SSN. Don't lose sight of that.

[Twisted Titan]

She was born with a severe tounge tie and when we went to get it done...the insurance started to balk the ss i danced around the issue and said it was being" processed"

That was enough to convince them i was a typical sheep just a tad bit further out on the fringes of the flock

I take alot of risk in the world but refuse to risk her well being and if i have to take a step into the matrix for her saftey i will do it in a heartbeat.

[slowbell]

Sometimes I think flying under the radar and playing the game for now is best.

When it all comes down, SSN, debit cards, digits in the bank, none of that will matter anymore. That's when our preps, and knowledge, comes into play. TT, you've got the knowledge and preps, you've done great for your family. I'd put more faith in those merc dimes than a SSN. It's about energy. It's better to spend less energy not fighting a corrupt and unfixable system, and spend more energy to prepare for it's collapse.

I'll take the easy road now, and relax. The hard road is coming. I hope I'll be rested, and ready for it.

[vacuum]

How difficult is it to get a ssn? Maybe you should just procrastinate until a situation arrives such that you have to get it, then just have everything ready to go in and get it

[midnight rambler]

I wanted to get her a passport ....first thing out their mouth ssn please.

I think there is a side step it..but there are additional steps


Also in the event of my untimely demise. ...... Anybody trying to claim life insurance has to submit a Ss number

One can get a passport w/o a SSN if one simply puts all zeros on that field on the application. Never leave it blank.

Regarding anyone asking for a SSN for your daughter I suggest you snap back at them very firmly and ask them if there's any sort of Federal benefit involved - if they answer 'no' then tell them to STFU.

[Twisted Titan]

You are correct about the all zeros on a passport i recall the agent telling me exactly that

On the later i pefer to not get into a conflict that could quickly escalate......i make it a daily mission of mines not to talk about my kids because i dont want to leave a hole for a fool to step into

[milehi]

TT, I'm no expert and just read and listen. My oldest kid didn't have a SSI untill she decided to get a job right before she was 16. I explained what i knew at the time to her. This was only four years ago and wasn't a big deal when dealing with sheep.

My two younger kids, 13 and 14, are a different story. Everyone wants their SSI numbers and my answer is that they don"t have one because they're too young to be employed, so they why would they need a tax ID number. There is no comeback to that.

[iOWNme]

Twisted, just know that you have done the right thing by not getting her the SSN. You are my hero for that. Many people may talk the talk, but it takes a real man to walk the walk.

[Twisted Titan]

It always made me laugh. ....

All it takes is just one signature to get sucked into the matrix

But it will take the force of arms to extract yourself from it

[Ares]

TT

I feel your frustrations, we had our daughter almost around the same time you did. Wife insisted on getting her a social slave number. The only good thing about it was that I didn't have to dance, fight, lie, or cheat around the issue of her not having one. Hell even her day care asked for it, but I put all zero's on the sheet. They didn't question it thankfully, because I was prepared to tell them that even a U.S. passport will take all zero's but they won't?

They also balked at her not having any vaccinations, until I brought up my states IC (Indiana Code) for exemptions and that if they want to continue to receive state funding they'll not question my decision and respect my written notice of religious exemption.

My only advice, fight the beast when it matters. Going forward in this slave state without a Social Slavery number is not an option anymore. Use it when you absolutely have too, but refuse to provide it when they don't need it.

[zap]

TT and Ares

My daughter has a ss #, she is receiving frns from the government, since my late husband paid into it for 40 years, I am glad she can get what she can from them since SS prolly wont be there when I am 65. I know they are only frns, but they can be traded for metals, sometimes you have to play the game, and protect the lives of those that can't fend for themselves, take a good hard look at how your spouses will be able to look after your children if you are gone.

[Neuro]

She was born with a severe tounge tie and when we went to get it done...the insurance started to balk the ss i danced around the issue and said it was being" processed"

That was enough to convince them i was a typical sheep just a tad bit further out on the fringes of the flock

I take alot of risk in the world but refuse to risk her well being and if i have to take a step into the matrix for her saftey i will do it in a heartbeat.
Yes that is the formula, if common sense is in conflict with the preset principles, then the principles need a reset.

[Bigjon]

I have read something about a person having an option of choosing their type of citizenship when they attain voting age (18) and at that time they can opt out of the SSI. I have no reference for this, but will try to find it.

[Twisted Titan]

TT and Ares

My daughter has a ss #, she is receiving frns from the government, since my late husband paid into it for 40 years, I am glad she can get what she can from them since SS prolly wont be there when I am 65. I know they are only frns, but they can be traded for metals, sometimes you have to play the game, and protect the lives of those that can't fend for themselves, take a good hard look at how your spouses will be able to look after your children if you are gone.


Thanks for weighing in zap i specifically thought about you when i thinking about trying to claim life insurance benefits i didnt even get to mulling over social security ( while it still exists)

Thanks a milion for bringing that up

[beefsteak]

TT,
your comment about eventuality of claiming life insurance benefits prompts me to share the following.

People utilizing the very legit and sound future planning tool of life insurance payouts upon death of premium payor in order to provide for dependents after one's own demise need to be acquainted with the following facts.

There are THREE kinds of insurance carriers.

The familiar one is the commercial standard version. That would be the majority of what is out there. And the most likely to require...at least at this time...the ssn to claim benes.

The second is the commercial MUTUAL version. That would also encompass a great many of the more commonly known insurance providers on the market. Names such as Mutual of Omaha, and State Farm, etc., come to mind. These would also be the ssn# requirers when time comes to receive benefits.

There IS a very stable and sound 3rd type of very large insurance companies most have never heard of. These receive annually among the very very highest of BEST ratings, often many many levels of financial soundness better than the first two types listed above, when it comes to their annual exam by the BEST organization.

That third category and the one I chose many many years ago is the FRATERNAL life insurance companies. Three very large names come to mind in this space. Lutheran Brotherhood (has nothing to do with requiring one to be a Lutheran let alone attend church), another Woodmen of the World, and Royal Neighbors all 3 come to mind. These 3 have all been major insurance companies for well over 100yrs each, and are still financially strong and true to their exist only for the membership benefits' roots.

The reason I went with one of them (RN) is one simple fact: the history of how they remained solvent and PAID IN FULL after the tremendous simultaneous deaths bene payouts generated by from WWII. All those death payouts all come at them at once for all the insurance carriers. Many of the first 2 types of life insurance companies FOLDED or REFUSED death benefit payouts when it came time to do so as the result of WWII.

Fraternal Life Ins companies have in their fine print the legal-- and rarely used but for special large death occurrences in this society-- the ability to "open the existing policy." In place, in writing, by upfront contract language, FRATERNALS have amply demonstrated their ability and historical track record of having opened existing policies in such massive depop events, and done so FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DEPENDENTS. The membership is the very target population they focus their not-for-profit existance benefits on. Investigation and proving this to truly have been actually done, a fraternal CAN modify the length of time for a payout so that every decedent's final bills get funded and the designated beneficiaries also get completely paid off, but over time. The entire policy face amount has always been paid by fraternals, not so their commercial cousins listed above. This is done in an "annuity-like" stream of income until the entire face amount of the policy is paid out as agreed, from the invested deceased's premium funding during the lifetime of the premium payor.

In otherwords, say, a major plague or another depopulating event occurs and one has purchased a $1,000,000 whole life policy when they were young like you and starting a family....

If your death is in that major depopulation event time window regardless of the death dealing event, AND you purchased your insurance from a fraternal, that fraternal is allowed by contract you have with them to pay say, 400K at the point of your death for final bills + easing your dependents into the no breadwinner/parent phase of their lives. The other 600K owed does NOT evaporate or force the commercial standard or commercial mutual into the bankruptcy/abscond category and make that insurance company's failure then a problem for the state in which they are domiciled. No, in a fraternal company, the policy is "opened" and the clause invoked to pay the remaining $600K in a reliable and orderly payment dispersal manner until all $1M has been dispersed.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. But it is an important distinction, and one that ONLY Fraternal insurance providers have a distinguished record of having performed on. Not one widow or orphan has ever not received the full amount contracted with by the decedent and a fraternal on over 150 years.

It is my sincere belief that the Fraternal will work with your dependents when that day arrives, whether or not your dependent has a social security number. They've certainly been in business as a life insurance company longer than the ss system has existed, and they've come through with flying colors in depopulating event payouts. They are ultra-conservative in their investment decision/options when it comes to investing all the premium income over the years. No fancy derivatives or other such schemes will be found in their portfolios. You will find govt bonds and actual bricks and mortar portfolio allocations as the primary focus of their investments by contract.

Hope this helps some GS'ers understand more clearly some of the options out there. An actual membership focused benefits treatment of the dependents as the deceased planned and contracted, instead of the commercial, make a profit at any cost and when the tough times come, abscond or fold proclivity of the first 2 categories.

NO I DON'T SELL INSURANCE. I just did my homework before purchase.


beefsteak

[DMac]

Thanks for weighing in zap i specifically thought about you when i thinking about trying to claim life insurance benefits i didnt even get to mulling over social security ( while it still exists)

Thanks a milion for bringing that up

With regard to life insurance, you can set up trusts through various legal fictions (llc, lp, flp (flp is best)) to pass down inheritances. In fact, it is the only way to do it within bounds of the system and skip taxation.

[Twisted Titan]

Thanks for the education Beef. .....i will be doing some additional research later

[midnight rambler]

I have read something about a person having an option of choosing their type of citizenship when they attain voting age (18) and at that time they can opt out of the SSI. I have no reference for this, but will try to find it.

It is neither legal nor lawful for ANYONE to enter into a contract with a minor. Period.

[Ares]

It is neither legal nor lawful for ANYONE to enter into a contract with a minor. Period.

So technically, the IRS shouldn't be collecting Income, social slavery, medicare etc. from the under 18 workforce??

[midnight rambler]

So technically, the IRS shouldn't be collecting Income, social slavery, medicare etc. from the under 18 workforce??

That's only part of it.

By now everyone on this forum should comprehend the fraud of the (alleged) 14th amendment (i.e. NEVER lawfully ratified under Art. 5). SS is just another level of this fraud.

However anyone who 'applies' for a SSN as a minor cannot lawfully/legally be bound to any such contract. As TT correctly pointed out, it only takes one single signature to completely fuck you up (as in once one turns 18). One's signature is VERY valuable, which is why I VERY RARELY *use* it (I typically write non assumpsit on any signature line when asked for signature) and no one ever questions EXCEPT for 'LEOs' - apparently they've been very carefully trained to CHECK to make SURE some has 'made their mark' rather than making any sort of EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF RIGHTS. (on at least one occasion when I made an EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF RIGHTS a 'LEO" rejected it saying "that just won't do")

[Twisted Titan]

I typically write"*non assumpsit*"


Please elaborate what does it mean?

How did it affect the particular piece business you were doing?

[midnight rambler]

I typically write"*non assumpsit*"


Please elaborate what does it mean?

How did it affect the particular piece business you were doing?

Latin for "he did not undertake" as in undertake any liability. It voids any contract which has non assumpsit (*) in lieu of a signature.

*must be underlined, in all capital letters, etc. to distinguish it as 'a conspicuous term or clause' - I usually strike the word SIGNATURE under the signature line with the underline for the term, killing two birds with one stone, can't anymore CONSPICUOUS than that