Out in Wyoming...

[Shami-Amourae]

I drove out to Wyoming over the past 2 days from California. I've been wanting to look at places to possibly move to. There are good and bad things. The greatest thing I can say so far is this state has actual clouds. There's real, fluffy clouds as far as you can see. I so far haven't seen any chemtrails at all. It's amazing. Most of the state that I've seen so far has been just endless hills of dead brown grass and dust. That seemed to be what the whole state was.

I've mainly been driving all day so I can't comment on anything else, though I can definitely tell people treat me differently since I have California plates. I got pulled over for "speeding" today while I went a few MPH for "speeding", while other cars were speeding past me all day. In other words I was going slower than the flow of traffic, but I definitely think I was targeted since I was Californian. I talked my way out of it and just got a warning, but it seemed kinda weird.

My biggest concern right now is the crappy Internet connection out here. I dunno if I could run my business out here with it. The town I'm looking into (Newcastle) has a max DSL speed of 6 mbps w/ 512kb upload, which I dunno if that can handle basic online gaming.

I feel stuck right now, but maybe I'm over thinking things. What are your thoughts? Are all rural areas with such shitty Internet? I'm sure most people on this forum only browse websites, and don't require fast Internet. I guess I'm a whiny bitch since I'm such a computer geek, and want that high end computing lifestyle, but want to be free at the same time. Are both possible?

[ImaCannin]

What about satellite internet?

You should be in Wyoming in the middle of winter before you decide to move there!

[Dogman]

What about satellite internet?

You should be in Wyoming in the middle of winter before you decide to move there!

The sayings about frozen "witches tits and well diggers ass's) may have originated there. And only a few
barbed wire fences between that state and the north pole.

[slowbell]

I guess I'm a whiny bitch since I'm such a computer geek, and want that high end computing lifestyle, but want to be free at the same time. Are both possible?

I don't know. Is there a satellite internet available? I deal with a slow internet, constantly.

Wyoming is beautiful. I love that state. I once tested and tried to get hired with the city of Laramie, fine town. Tried to get hired as a firefighter.

People seem very friendly there. Only once did I have someone give me the middle finger, colorado plates. I did once have a group of locals try to pick a fight with us in Rawlins. There was 5-6 of them, all piled into a pickup truck. Young guys out on the town. There was 2 of us, wouldn't have been a fair fight. Still, God's country there. If you can make your work situation fit to move there, I say go for it. Enjoy your trip too!! Try flyfishing. :)

[milehi]

I can only use MiFi here at the house in Southern California. I can't watch videos until I'm at the office, but I figure the lack of internet access keeps the zombies away.

[Shami-Amourae]

I pretty much can only afford an apartment. I'm not very rich.

:(

Well, unless I sold all my PMs. Then I prob could buy a small starter home.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm still unsure I'm in way over my head, and even belong out here. Regardless, it's an educational process I suppose. Researching things online and then going to see them in person are two different things.

[Shami-Amourae]

What about satellite internet?

You should be in Wyoming in the middle of winter before you decide to move there!

Satellite Internet is unstable and it has usage limits (you can only download/upload so much data.) On top of that its completely unaffordable for someone with a small income like me.

I'm currently looking for small apartments since I can't afford anything else really. I have a very small income.

[Shami-Amourae]

If you can make your work situation fit to move there, I say go for it.


My business is completely virtual. In other words, I can work from anywhere on the planet as long as I have an Internet connection. I designed my business so it would be automated too. I could theoretically not work a month and it would still be up and collecting $$$. The more products I develop the more I make, and product sales go down over time with older products. I don't make a lot though and usually have to work 14 hours a day, everyday to stay on top of things. I turned my favorite hobby into a business, though the consequence is I work a lot and don't make a lot for it. It's worth it though, but nerve wracking when I'm not working.

[cortez]

this is the greatest place to live!!

[cortez]

look into Sheridan. A bit more sophisticated than Newcastle.its about two and a half hours to your west

[Sparky]

How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.

[vacuum]

For internet advice, go to the www.dslreports.com forums. They can probably tell you exactly which towns have fiber and which don't, and what the timetable is for fiber/lte/wimax/high speed roll-out is in different areas.

[cortez]

How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.

P.S. Average high/low temp Dec through Feb is 35/15. Average wind speed 15 mph. Here's your wind chill chart:

3809

one word: DOWN!

[Shami-Amourae]

How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.

What would you suggest? I'm not making any final decisions yet...

[slowbell]

How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.

It's a dry cold though. Try spending time on the SF bay, where anything and everything you wear the cold gets through. Wyoming may as well be Florida.

[slowbell]

What would you suggest? I'm not making any final decisions yet...

Check out parts of Colorado too. Another beautiful state. I envy your freedom!

[Horn]

Was about to get one of these Cricket WiFi Hotspot things for an on the move business.

Anyone have, or know if they work well?

Says you can have up to ten people in a 3g zone...

http://www.mycricket.com/broadband/datacard/cricket-crosswave

[milehi]

[QUOTE=Sparky;579408]How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.[/

Had to check-Sheridan, Wyoming gets only 10 more inches of snow annualy on average than the SoCal mountains, and it's flat. Doesn't get as cold though. The coldest I remember was only 9* here.

[Shami-Amourae]

Check out parts of Colorado too. Another beautiful state. I envy your freedom!

Which parts are affordable though? Colorado has had the Shadow Government presence so I've had it ruled out for a long time.

[milehi]

Was about to get one of these Cricket WiFi Hotspot things for an on the move business.

Anyone have, or know if they work well?

Says you can have up to ten people in a 3g zone...

http://www.mycricket.com/broadband/datacard/cricket-crosswave

I don't know about the Cricket, but I'm typing this from a 4g Verizon MiFi. It's the only thing that will work at my desert place. I take it on road trips and it works better than any hotel's WiFi. I don't watch videos 'cause it eats up my monthly minutes fast.

[Horn]

I don't watch videos 'cause it eats up my monthly minutes fast.

How much does each character of text cost?

Think the cricket was unlimited that a way,

[Shami-Amourae]

It's a dry cold though. Try spending time on the SF bay, where anything and everything you wear the cold gets through. Wyoming may as well be Florida.

40°F in Wyoming felt like 55°F in Southern California.

[milehi]

40°F in Wyoming felt like 55°F in Southern California.

That's shorts and flip flop weather here.

[Horn]

I like to be places where I can drop a seed on the ground and it'll grow, what grows in Wyoming wheat?

[Shami-Amourae]

I like to be places where I can drop a seed on the ground and it'll grow, what grows in Wyoming wheat?

Like McCook, Nebraska?

[Horn]

What about Idaho http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Speakerlink.svg/11px-Speakerlink.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/En-us-Idaho.ogg) , it has Potatoes?

You could maybe find Book up there...

I picked up what must've been at least 6or7 kilos of carrots this weekend for around a dollar...

[Shami-Amourae]

What about Idaho http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Speakerlink.svg/11px-Speakerlink.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/En-us-Idaho.ogg) , it has Potatoes?

You could maybe find Book up there...

I picked up what must've been at least 6or7 kilos of carrots this weekend for around a dollar...

I don't know anyone out there. I have no contacts.

[Neuro]

Shami, maybe you should do something different for a while? As far as I understand it isn't too difficult to find work in Wyoming. And if you don't earn so much doing what you currently do, then why not? Further being dependent on Internet generated income when TSHTF isn't very good!

[JDRock]

I'm still unsure I'm in way over my head, and even belong out here. Regardless, it's an educational process I suppose. Researching things online and then going to see them in person are two different things.
PM me, im in nw wyo and can give you some advise.

[V10Silver]

I've mainly been driving all day so I can't comment on anything else, though I can definitely tell people treat me differently since I have California plates. I got pulled over for "speeding" today while I went a few MPH for "speeding", while other cars were speeding past me all day.

Thank your fellow left coast loonies. We travel all over the country have family and friends in Co, Wy and MT. The sentiment is all the same. Frigging Californians screwed up there state with bullshit rules and regs. They're so use to paying 3 times more for stuff than they should. The Californians move into a pristine area (Red Lodge, Mt) and completely skew the local economy to the high side. If you got the feeling you were not welcome, you were right. We're from the east coast and were pleasantly surprised at the welcome (good) we received. But, we were told in no uncertain terms how the Californians were not welcome.

Just my 2 cents

[DMac]

Shami- I don't know much about Wyoming but I am following this thread with interest. Thanks for posting.

[palani]

My biggest concern right now is the crappy Internet connection out here.
You can always use a high speed server anywhere and connect using PcAnywhere or just telnet.

[Santa]

If I were a young man I'd go where girls grow... and sow me some wild oats. :) Ski resort towns in the mountains. Surprisingly inexpensive for the young, footloose and fancy free.

[chad]

Thank your fellow left coast loonies. We travel all over the country have family and friends in Co, Wy and MT. The sentiment is all the same. Frigging Californians screwed up there state with bullshit rules and regs. They're so use to paying 3 times more for stuff than they should. The Californians move into a pristine area (Red Lodge, Mt) and completely skew the local economy to the high side. If you got the feeling you were not welcome, you were right. We're from the east coast and were pleasantly surprised at the welcome (good) we received. But, we were told in no uncertain terms how the Californians were not welcome.

Just my 2 cents

we are experiencing the same thing here in northern wisconsin. the last few years have seen an influx of people from illinois (chicago) buying vacation homes or land to camp on. they arrive, and then are shocked and outraged that everyone is running around with guns hunting & target shooting. a bunch of them up in rhinelander banded together last year to try and defeat the concelaed carry law, even though they don't even live here. it was going to be "too dangerous" when they came up from chicago to vacation for the weekend.

[Tumbleweed]

You're not to far from Spearfish, Deadwood or Rapid City. Maybe you should check those out while you're in the area. I'm pretty sure Rapid City has the internet speed you need but I don't know about the other two. Our weather comes from Wyoming and Montana so it's no improvement.

[Sparky]

It's a dry cold though. Try spending time on the SF bay, where anything and everything you wear the cold gets through. Wyoming may as well be Florida.

That's almost funny, slowbell! It's -5 degrees with a 25 knot wind in your face, but it's a dry cold. SF Bay cold can make you miserable. Wyoming can kill you.

[Sparky]

[QUOTE=Sparky;579408]How did you pick Wyoming? It's beautiful, but it seems like it would be a tough place to transition to from scratch, especially for a Californian. The winter will shock you.[/

Had to check-Sheridan, Wyoming gets only 10 more inches of snow annualy on average than the SoCal mountains, and it's flat. Doesn't get as cold though. The coldest I remember was only 9* here.

You sound like a Californian. Snow don't mean shit. Bad winter is all about prolonged windy cold. The record low temp in Wyoming is -66 degrees. Think about that.

[Dogman]

That's almost funny, slowbell! It's -5 degrees with a 25 knot wind in your face, but it's a dry cold. SF Bay cold can make you miserable. Wyoming can kill you. Back in the late 80's, I had to spend a couple of weeks in two different parts of Wyoming, Riverton and Gillette, in the late fall of that year. All the people that I met in both places carried emergency kits (food, heat, etc,etc,) with them in their vehicles where ever they went. Because of how bad and fast winter storms can hit and hit hard. They all had one hell of a healthy respect for mother nature, I was told some sad and hair raising story's about the cold and storms and that almost every year someone forgot the basics and their kits and died of the cold.

[Errosion Of Accord]

As a resident I advise you to go look at Story, Buffalo, Sheridan, Dayton and Cody. The clouds are anomalous we usually do not have much it the way of clouds.

[EE_]

Wyoming sounds nice!
Wyoming is windy and during the winter, there are frequent periods when the wind reaches 30 to 40 mph with gusts of 50 or 60 mph
(ranks 1st in the US with an annual average wind speed of 12.9 mph).

http://i.usatoday.net/weather/_photos/2011/11/09/Weather-service-keeps-extreme-cold-statements-AVIQRQB-x-large.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/mailcmw/getalookatthis/BGLT08-03-18WyomingWindSock.jpg

Wyoming has a high ratio of men to women too.

[osoab]

If you go to Cody, check out the Firearm collection. Too cool to pass up.

http://www.bbhc.org/explore/firearms/

[Sparky]

40°F in Wyoming felt like 55°F in Southern California.

LOL, you Californians are funny. ;)

[Sparky]

What would you suggest? I'm not making any final decisions yet...

First, don't get me wrong, I really like Wyoming. I'm just saying it's so starkly different than where you are coming from, so it might be a tough adjustment. Not just the weather, but the pace. Colorado would probably be a much easier adjustment. Plus, you haven't really said what you're looking for.

From a survivalist point of view (which I'm not sure is any part of this for you), I'd pick a place that's more, umm, survivable. Lots of trees, water resources, temperate climate. I'd favor something along the Appalachians: eastern Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia.

What are your criteria? Are you in such a remote place because you are looking for remote? The Appalachian equivalent of that is West Virginia or Kentucky, which aren't as harsh as those windswept flatlands of the northern plains.

[Horn]

I don't know anyone out there. I have no contacts.

Apparently this weighs heavily on her, Sparky.

As it should, I guess?

Nothing like a good probing to clear that up though.

[slowbell]

First, don't get me wrong, I really like Wyoming. I'm just saying it's so starkly different than where you are coming from, so it might be a tough adjustment. Not just the weather, but the pace. Colorado would probably be a much easier adjustment. Plus, you haven't really said what you're looking for.

Sparky makes a lot of good points. Shami, it couldn't hurt to check out Colorado. Years ago I moved from California to Colorado and I loved my time there. Climbed a lot of the 14,000 foot peaks, hiking, fly fishing. Wyoming has a lot of that, but I maybe wrong, the lack of young active women could be hard on a young single guy. Pass though Wyoming for short visits, it seems a lot harsher of a climate with mostly a bunch of dudes around. There's a lot of beautiful active women in Colorado.

I'd look at some areas maybe within 2 hours of Denver. I know Boulder has a rep of being a bunch of liberal freaks, but it's mostly a bunch of young people who want to go out and have a lot of fun. If I'm right, you are a young guy yourself. I think you could find a place where you can prep and be prepared, and be near enough to meet other young people for an active social life. Something to think about.

[JDRock]

ok...theres wyoming that everyone is talking about, then theres teton county. no wind to speak of...several affordable bedroom communities around it...5 star resturants and boutiques...you can sit in a fancy resturant and watch a pack of wolves out the window (at a distance)..its like no place on earth. the rest of wyoming is a windswept wasteland for the most part. think teton national pk and yellowstone only with swanky ass buildings.

[JDRock]

Which parts are affordable though? Colorado has had the Shadow Government presence so I've had it ruled out for a long time.
try alpine wy and teton cty idaho victor ;)

[Santa]

ok...theres wyoming that everyone is talking about, then theres teton county. no wind to speak of...several affordable bedroom communities around it...5 star resturants and boutiques...you can sit in a fancy resturant and watch a pack of wolves out the window (at a distance)..its like no place on earth. the rest of wyoming is a windswept wasteland for the most part. think teton national pk and yellowstone only with swanky ass buildings.

This is what I was talkin about. If ya gotta wake up, wake up in a beautiful place with a bunny snuggled up in your arms.

To me, the idea of trying to make a life from scratch in some windswept Wyoming prairie cow town without family or very close friends to lend purpose to the venture would surely fail.

Building a life from scratch requires purpose, beauty, passion, and love. Surviving is nothing without those greater motivations.

Pussy provides, but it's not sex I'm talking about. It's beauty. Fill up your mind, your eyes, your heart and your soul with beauty and you can survive anything, anywhere.

[chad]

i'm probably in the minority here, but i would welcome sub 50 degree weather with open arms. i'm pissed it only gets down to minus 20 or so here. it keeps out the diversity. diversity doesn't like really cold weather.

[Sparky]

i'm probably in the minority here, but i would welcome sub 50 degree weather with open arms. i'm pissed it only gets down to minus 20 or so here. it keeps out the diversity. diversity doesn't like really cold weather.

I like the cold season too chad. It's very invigorating and gives you a feeling of hardiness, that it's not for the weak. But you and I aren't transitioning from SoCal!